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In what I think is the first published political polling of 2018 the latest ORB Brexit trackers are out.

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Scrapheap_as_was

Promoted to first amongst equals...

Tissue_Price

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Promoted to first amongst equals...

Bah, my post went on to the other thread. Gauke is Justice Secretary, good news for some punters.

TheScreamingEagles

Tissue_Price said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Promoted to first amongst equals...

Bah, my post went on to the other thread. Gauke is Justice Secretary, good news for some punters.

Hurrah.

The Gauke is uncorked.

MikeSmithson

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Promoted to first amongst equals...

I am sure that we are all pleased for you.

Jonathan

Any news on Chris Grayling?

TOPPING

Jonathan said:

Any news on Chris Grayling?

Has Hunt sent out for pizza yet?

TheScreamingEagles

Jonathan said:

Any news on Chris Grayling?

Did a great stint as Party Chair today.

El_Capitano

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/950415593471176704

Mexicanpete

BigGNorthWales

Betsi Cadwalladr is a national disaster, but it is not the whole story.

Richard_Nabavi

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

tpfkar

Jonathan said:

Any news on Chris Grayling?

Grayling to DWP?

Nervous about Gauke leaving DWP - this is no time for a newcomer to make a mess of it, with Universal Credit in such a precarious state. However no question that he's got the qualifications for Justice. DWP replacement will be key now. Time for the Moggmeister?

TheScreamingEagles

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Promoted to first amongst equals...

Saw yesterday’s highlights, is Erik Lamela the new Roberto Soldado?

DavidL

Said on the previous thread that Esther McVey has quite a lot of relevant experience of DWP. To take over from Gauke? Delivering Universal Credit is going to be seriously important for this government's prospects.

JohnO

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Jonathan

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

Gauke is one of the few members of the cabinet that isn't shit. Wonder if DoJ has role to play in Brexit and he has to look after that.

TheScreamingEagles

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

I’ve come to the conclusion she’s playing the long game.

Five years of a Corbyn government will usher in a 1,000 year long Tory government.

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

Jonathan

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

JohnO

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

williamglenn

FPT as more relevant here:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/dougrediker/status/950359277142671362

No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement

Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

Good point.

Anazina

Reshuffle latest:

Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

DavidL

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

Good point.

Plus I’m assuming he’ll get a boost because of one of the first things he’ll do as Justice Secretary is order a review into The Parole Board.

Easy win.

Anazina

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

Gauke is one of the few members of the cabinet that isn't shit. Wonder if DoJ has role to play in Brexit and he has to look after that.

Gauke is a class act. I saw him explain to a firm of senior accountants changes in tax policy once and he had a great command of his brief.

williamglenn

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

DavidL

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

Good point.

Plus I’m assuming he’ll get a boost because of one of the first things he’ll do as Justice Secretary is order a review into The Parole Board.

Easy win.

The public floggings will be popular.

Anazina

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Tissue_Price

Anazina said:

Reshuffle latest:

Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quickly

Anazina

Tissue_Price said:

Anazina said:

Reshuffle latest:

Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quickly

One of the best ever memes on PB – admired as a lurker.

Jonathan

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

GIN1138

Could this "reshuffle" be Theresa May's final mistake?

If all she ends up doing is highlighting again how weak her position still is she might find the 1922 finally decide to pull the plug...

DecrepitJohnL

FPT: ... and Tobygate is being hyped to distract from a dull reshuffle whose highlight will be some bloke we've never heard of swapping jobs with a woman we don't care about.

Is it too early to campaign for poster of the year?

numbertwelve

Well this has to go down as one of the more boring reshuffles in recent history, the Grayling confusion being the only real talking point at the moment. Does hint at PMs authority still being somewhat shaky as she can’t really dictate big moves for anyone if they want to stay put.

RoyalBlue

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/950415451808522242
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/950421665820835841

dr_spyn

I have just cleared out a series of emails from Brandon Lewis all marked as spam.

David_Evershed

May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

Big_G_NorthWales

Mexicanpete said:

BigGNorthWales

Betsi Cadwalladr is a national disaster, but it is not the whole story.

And that is our hospital

numbertwelve

GIN1138 said:

Could this "reshuffle" be Theresa May's final mistake?

If all she ends up doing is highlighting again how weak her position still is she might find the 1922 finally decide to pull the plug...

She’s probably safe until March 2019. After that who knows.

TheScreamingEagles

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?

It were the three year long sanctions that are pretty reprehensible.

felix

Tissue_Price said:

Anazina said:

Reshuffle latest:

Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quickly

Almost as if she is a retread

JohnO

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

DavidL

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.

If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.

You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?

It were the three year long sanctions that are pretty reprehensible.

The whole sanctions regime is a public disgrace, punishing the inept and the incompetent and creating little Hitlers with targets to meet who seem indifferent to the hardship they cause but that is not just a UC problem.

DavidL

David_Evershed said:

May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.

David_Evershed

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

This helps that immensely.

Gauke moved sideways without trace.

numbertwelve

El_Capitano said:

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/950415593471176704

If Greening DOES get DWP as was suggested by some sources this morning it completes the narrative of ‘completely different type of reshuffle to what we thought it was going to be at this time yesterday’.

David_Evershed

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

White trash but richer - like Trump.

DecrepitJohnL

numbertwelve said:

Well this has to go down as one of the more boring reshuffles in recent history, the Grayling confusion being the only real talking point at the moment. Does hint at PMs authority still being somewhat shaky as she can’t really dictate big moves for anyone if they want to stay put.

Any minister with more than a handful of supporters can resist the PM since she would almost certainly lose any leadership election. She knows it and so does everyone else -- I suspect
even those "supporters" who urge her to axe Boris or whoever do not have Theresa May's best interests at heart.

El_Capitano

Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

Anazina

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.

felix

Surely this so far for the senior moves is largely as predicted. More changes expected in the junior ranks.

Casino_Royale

FPT: "Helpfully, the Mail is full of pictures of young ladies with no underwear wearing some hideous black dresses. It looks like they're all at a Convention of Widowed Tarts."

Is that you, Toby?

Richard_Nabavi

Damian Hinds, minister of state at the department for work and pensions, has arrived at Number 10, the BBC reports.

That looks interesting..

Casino_Royale

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

We all can.

JohnO

The irony is of course that she could have had a radical sweeping reshuffle and got away with it with no difficulty. The party as a whole is simply demanding the 'smack of firm government' (and please no sniggering at the back there). And she's flunked it yet again.

AlastairMeeks

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

TheWhiteRabbit

Richard_Nabavi said:

Damian Hinds, minister of state at the department for work and pensions, has arrived at Number 10, the BBC reports.

That looks interesting..

What's his rep?

Anazina

El_Capitano said:

Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.

David_Evershed

DavidL said:

David_Evershed said:

May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.

David L

You are David Lidington and I claim my prize.

Congrats on Cabinet Sec posting.

JohnO

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

Casino_Royale

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/950415451808522242
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/950421665820835841

Sounds a bit Fiona Hill.

Casino_Royale

Anazina said:

El_Capitano said:

Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.

Are you a teacher?

AlastairMeeks

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.

RoyalBlue

Anazina said:

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.

We have enough hyperpartisanship on this site already. We don’t need more.

Tissue_Price

Karen Bradley to Belfast.

Anazina

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

SouthamObserver

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Jonathan

Casino_Royale said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

We all can.

Solving other parties problems is easier.

First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.

TheScreamingEagles

Tissue_Price said:

Karen Bradley to Belfast.

Called it.

TheWhiteRabbit

Tissue_Price said:

Karen Bradley to Belfast.

Her job is simple... on paper at least...

Anazina

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

It's not too late to shift Liam 'Cunning' Fox to the brief.

numbertwelve

Anazina said:

El_Capitano said:

Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.

I would be disappointed if she left cabinet (although it’s starting to look like, given the trend today, she won’t). I’ve always thought she’s a good egg. I’m not sure she set the world alight at DfT (though we haven’t had a good transport secretary for some time) but otherwise seems to have done OK.

AlastairMeeks

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?

DavidL

David_Evershed said:

DavidL said:

David_Evershed said:

May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.

David L

You are David Lidington and I claim my prize.

Congrats on Cabinet Sec posting.

I would like to say that was defamatory but I suspect the Jury would say: who?

Anazina

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.

We have enough hyperpartisanship on this site already. We don’t need more.

Agreed, put the cat out on your way out.

Anazina

Casino_Royale said:

Anazina said:

El_Capitano said:

Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.

Are you a teacher?

Nope.

JohnO

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.

TheScreamingEagles

Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.

IT IS ON

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/950426022603821056

DavidL

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Have we not had enough excitement for one day already? That will be tomorrow's treat.

TheScreamingEagles

JohnO said:

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.

Yup, I'd take Theresa May as Prime Minister over Jeremy Corbyn as PM any day of the week for the next Millennium,

Richard_Tyndall

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

Sad to say that description applies to practically the whole of Parliament these days. This lot have the chance to show it because they are in power. The other lot with their various hangers on will probably get the chance to show it after 2022.

I do not expect things to get noticeably better under the stewardship of either main party with their current leaderships.

Casino_Royale

Jonathan said:

Casino_Royale said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

We all can.

Solving other parties problems is easier.

First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.

I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.

Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.

Big_G_NorthWales

Anazina said:

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.

I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside

TheScreamingEagles

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.

SouthamObserver

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

A cabinet full of dullards and incompetents - there only because they represent one faction or another inside the Conservative party - is inevitably causing harm. That's the consequence of not choosing the best available talent.

Anazina

JohnO said:

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.

You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?

williamglenn

Macron in China:
https://twitter.com/emmanuelmacron/status/950304816131166209

David_Evershed

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.

Wasn't he sacked from the Dept for Brexit

TheWhiteRabbit

TheScreamingEagles said:

Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.

IT IS ON

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/950426022603821056

Will there be a new minister for digital I wonder or will he keep the brief...

Anazina

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.

I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside

And more likely it won't. Not that the Leavers will care. As long as they get blue passports and stop the 'foreigners' coming here, they will be happy enough.

TheScreamingEagles

David_Evershed said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.

Wasn't he sacked from the Dept for Brexit

No.

JohnO

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.

You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?

Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.

David_Evershed

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

RoyalBlue said:

Anazina said:

williamglenn said:

ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.

That is sure the key metric.

Only to Remainers.

True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.

I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside

So what do you think of the Lib Dems Exit from Brexit policy?

AlastairMeeks

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.

Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.

Anazina

Richard_Tyndall said:

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

Sad to say that description applies to practically the whole of Parliament these days. This lot have the chance to show it because they are in power. The other lot with their various hangers on will probably get the chance to show it after 2022.

I do not expect things to get noticeably better under the stewardship of either main party with their current leaderships.

I completely agree with your analysis Richard.

Casino_Royale

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.

I think we might get the conscious decoupling via an EEA light that you were looking for, with slow divergence, actually.

But, let's wait and see.

Big_G_NorthWales

Anazina said:

JohnO said:

AlastairMeeks said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

Jonathan said:

JohnO said:

I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.

But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.

Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.

And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.

And one that you almost supported.

I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.

You have just insulted at least 40% of the population