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Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU and more her flavour than her daughter.0 -
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I want a successful a Brexit so the country doesn't sufffer.Casino_Royale said:It's unclear what you want.
You want us to Leave quickly, so we rejoin quickly.
Yet, you want Brexit to be a success, because you don't want the single currency.
But I fear we're going to get a bad Brexit which will mean us eventually rejoining, replete with single currency and Schengen.0 -
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
While I love data, it's always a shame when people use it for mere point scoring. UK GDP per capita is 1.7% higher than it was in 2006 (World Bank). That's more of an issue than how we're doing against our competition in one particular year.TheScreamingEagles said:About that economic corpse we're shackled to....
https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/942710283461591040
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Brexit has already made us turn inwards and start asking who we are again and there can be only one answer. We're going to learn to stop worrying and love the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
I want a successful a Brexit so the country doesn't sufffer.Casino_Royale said:It's unclear what you want.
You want us to Leave quickly, so we rejoin quickly.
Yet, you want Brexit to be a success, because you don't want the single currency.
But I fear we're going to get a bad Brexit which will mean us eventually rejoining, replete with single currency and Schengen.0 -
Carson led the Ulster Unionist Party and opposed the 1921 Anglo Irish Treaty but it was Lloyd-George, not Bonar Law, who negotiated that.Charles said:
Carson resigned from the Tory party because he didn't trust them on the Union... Churchill was the Boris of his day...HYUFD said:
Carson represented much of Tory opinion at the time and indeed that in the country which was why Bonar Law almost won the 1910 elections on an anti Home Rule ticket.Charles said:
For what it's worth, I wrote my thesis on Carson... The Covenant was simply political theatre in the tradition of the Ulstermen. As with Larne and Curragh, Carson never intended the UVF to actually fight (he was a former Solicitor General, Cabinet member, lawyer, politician and a member of one of the most prominent Ascendancy families). If he had really taken "the high road to treason and despair" do you think he would have been given a UK state funeral?HYUFD said:
Apologies, it was Churchill but Carson did certainly organise the 'Solemn League and Covenant' of half a million to use all means necessary to resist Home Rule.Charles said:
"Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right" was Randolph Churchill, not Carson. Carson was a far more sophisticated man than Churchill - and hated the dismemberment of his beloved homeland. For him Ulster was just a tool to try and prevent the dissolution of the Union - but he was then betrayed by James Craig.
Wellington was not an Ultra (he pushed Catholic Emancipation through Parliament) and nor was Bonar Law - he was a bridge between Walter Long and the protectionists and Austen Chamberlain. IDS is more of a Radical than anything else: just look at his reforms to the welfare state.
Wellington opposed the Great Reform Act of 1832 and the expansion of the franchise which would suggest he was an Ultra. IDS voted against gay marriage and withdrew the whip from those who supported gay adoption and is a hard Brexiteer.
As for Wellington:
the Ultra-Tories were united in their antipathy towards the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel for what they saw as a betrayal of Tory political and religious principle on the issue of Catholic Emancipation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Tories
Peel was a Radical not an Ultra no but Wellington led Ultra resistance to the Great Reform Act
On Wellington I've given you the link, but I can't make you read it! The Ultras didn't have a common position on the Reform Act
Most Ultras opposed the Reform Act and many Anglican bishops linked to the Ultras had their homes attacked by pro reform rioters, the minority of Ultras who supported the Reform Act did so purely out of political expediency as they thought it might increase the Protestant vote, not out of conviction.0 -
Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...0 -
No guarantee of a transition deal until the Article 50 agreement is fully ratified. "Take back control!"
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/9427416439245946880 -
A million times this!John_M said:
While I love data, it's always a shame when people use it for mere point scoring. UK GDP per capita is 1.7% higher than it was in 2006 (World Bank). That's more of an issue than how we're doing against our competition in one particular year.TheScreamingEagles said:About that economic corpse we're shackled to....
https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/9427102834615910400 -
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
Mortimer said:
Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
It will be BINO. And the UK will have less control and less "sovereignty" than it has now.williamglenn said:No guarantee of a transition deal until the Article 50 agreement is fully ratified. "Take back control!"
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The probability of him getting a majority is low, but it's not zero. All it would take is for the Conservatives to split or collapse into chaos, which certainly can't be ruled out at the moment. For that matter, all it would take to make Corbyn the next PM with support from the SNP would be a small swing.SouthamObserver said:The alternative is not Corbyn. It is what we have now. Corbyn will never win a Parliamentary majority.
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Ironic, given your constant inwards looking view of the EU. From its lower colon....williamglenn said:
Brexit has already made us turn inwards and start asking who we are again and there can be only one answer. We're going to learn to stop worrying and love the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
I want a successful a Brexit so the country doesn't sufffer.Casino_Royale said:It's unclear what you want.
You want us to Leave quickly, so we rejoin quickly.
Yet, you want Brexit to be a success, because you don't want the single currency.
But I fear we're going to get a bad Brexit which will mean us eventually rejoining, replete with single currency and Schengen.0 -
I don't want a lot for ChristmasMortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
There is just one thing I need
I don't care about the presents
Underneath the Christmas tree
I just want the fights to go
More than you could ever know
Make my wish come true oh
All I want for Christmas is a relatively united Conservative Party, delivering on the referendum result0 -
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.0 -
I hope HYUFD is in charge of any hypothetical second Leave campaign. It will go around interrogating people to see if they deserve their Brexit.Mortimer said:Mortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
Thanks for the thread, Charles.0
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Surely if the final deal is ratified then there would be no need for a transition period - we could just jump straight to the end state?williamglenn said:No guarantee of a transition deal until the Article 50 agreement is fully ratified. "Take back control!"
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/9427416439245946880 -
And with you in charge of the Remain campaign it will truly be a referendum to remember.williamglenn said:
I hope HYUFD is in charge of any hypothetical second Leave campaign. It will go around interrogating people to see if they deserve their Brexit.Mortimer said:Mortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
Plus voting Liberal in Hallam the last two general elections!TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.0 -
New Statesman:
Although there are enough Brexit ultras to force a vote of no confidence in May's leadership, they are nowhere close to making up half of the parliamentary party plus one, which means that the PM can stay in office indefinitely provided she can keep the soft Brexiteers – who made her Prime Minister in the first place, don't forget – on side.
...So for all that there is a great deal of talk about May's weakness, as the time comes to decide what the final relationship with the European Union will look like, she has more freedom to set the country's destination than is widely thought.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/12/why-theresa-may-lot-safer-you-might-think0 -
I voted Remainwilliamglenn said:
I hope HYUFD is in charge of any hypothetical second Leave campaign. It will go around interrogating people to see if they deserve their Brexit.Mortimer said:Mortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
I think there are three things: A50/exit deal, transition deal, trade deal.SandyRentool said:
Surely if the final deal is ratified then there would be no need for a transition period - we could just jump straight to the end state?williamglenn said:No guarantee of a transition deal until the Article 50 agreement is fully ratified. "Take back control!"
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/9427416439245946880 -
Sooner or later, there will be another left wing government; there is no Thousand Year Tory Reich.Richard_Nabavi said:
The probability of him getting a majority is low, but it's not zero. All it would take is for the Conservatives to split or collapse into chaos, which certainly can't be ruled out at the moment. For that matter, all it would take to make Corbyn the next PM with support from the SNP would be a small swing.SouthamObserver said:The alternative is not Corbyn. It is what we have now. Corbyn will never win a Parliamentary majority.
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I've stayed at this hotel, wonderful hotel and wonderful area.
Two people have died after a fire at the Cameron House Hotel beside Loch Lomond.
More than 200 guests were evacuated from the hotel after the alarm was raised at about 06.40.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-423924590 -
Yeah, the question is how left wing will it be?John_M said:
Sooner or later, there will be another left wing government; there is no Thousand Year Tory Reich.Richard_Nabavi said:
The probability of him getting a majority is low, but it's not zero. All it would take is for the Conservatives to split or collapse into chaos, which certainly can't be ruled out at the moment. For that matter, all it would take to make Corbyn the next PM with support from the SNP would be a small swing.SouthamObserver said:The alternative is not Corbyn. It is what we have now. Corbyn will never win a Parliamentary majority.
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Wrong, I voted Tory in 2015.HYUFD said:
Plus voting Liberal in Hallam the last two general elections!TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I voted Lib Dem in 2017 as part of a vote swap with a Lib Dem in a Lab/Con marginal down the road which saw a Tory gain.0 -
Sure, but we have to hope that the country hasn't sufficiently lost its marbles to make the current opposition front bench the one it next goes for.John_M said:
Sooner or later, there will be another left wing government; there is no Thousand Year Tory Reich.Richard_Nabavi said:
The probability of him getting a majority is low, but it's not zero. All it would take is for the Conservatives to split or collapse into chaos, which certainly can't be ruled out at the moment. For that matter, all it would take to make Corbyn the next PM with support from the SNP would be a small swing.SouthamObserver said:The alternative is not Corbyn. It is what we have now. Corbyn will never win a Parliamentary majority.
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Superb article, Charles.
The whole point of the Conservative Party is to be conservative: to conserve, and minimise change.
Now, that can sound regressive (and, indeed, progressive political parties characterise it as such) but actually most democracies need 'a' conservative party to put a reality check and challenge back to the radical parties.
Gradual reform is the mission, rather than radical change; otherwise, quite a few things societies value get swept away, the treasury empties and society overall can destabilise.0 -
She'd win the vote, but it might fatally weaken her.CarlottaVance said:New Statesman:
Although there are enough Brexit ultras to force a vote of no confidence in May's leadership, they are nowhere close to making up half of the parliamentary party plus one, which means that the PM can stay in office indefinitely provided she can keep the soft Brexiteers – who made her Prime Minister in the first place, don't forget – on side.
...So for all that there is a great deal of talk about May's weakness, as the time comes to decide what the final relationship with the European Union will look like, she has more freedom to set the country's destination than is widely thought.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/12/why-theresa-may-lot-safer-you-might-think
Say 120 Tory MPs failed to back her in the vote of no confidence, she'd be toast.
Thatcher won the 1990 first round ballot with 54.8% of the vote, but in less than 48 hours she had announced her intention to step down.0 -
The one time A-EP is right?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/12/18/singapores-fintech-chief-warns-bitcoin-delusion/0 -
Its funny how some ardent Remainers think the only people who support Brexit are Leave voters.HYUFD said:
I voted Remainwilliamglenn said:
I hope HYUFD is in charge of any hypothetical second Leave campaign. It will go around interrogating people to see if they deserve their Brexit.Mortimer said:Mortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
The possibility that they might be Remainers who believe in democracy does not appear to occur to them....0 -
Given current polling, I reckon the Tory vote in Sheffield Hallam would crater if Jared O'Meara was the Labour candidate at the next election.0
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Too true. I was always 50 50 really but voted Remain as we were still outside the Euro and from a personal view I was not that bothered about free movement enough to leave the single market but now Leave has won we must accept that most Leavers were.CarlottaVance said:
Its funny how some ardent Remainers think the only people who support Brexit are Leave voters.HYUFD said:
I voted Remainwilliamglenn said:
I hope HYUFD is in charge of any hypothetical second Leave campaign. It will go around interrogating people to see if they deserve their Brexit.Mortimer said:Mortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
The possibility that they might be Remainers who believe in democracy does not appear to occur to them....0 -
I think you want Brexit stopped before it happens, with us remaining on existing terms or on Dave's deal.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
I want a successful a Brexit so the country doesn't sufffer.Casino_Royale said:It's unclear what you want.
You want us to Leave quickly, so we rejoin quickly.
Yet, you want Brexit to be a success, because you don't want the single currency.
But I fear we're going to get a bad Brexit which will mean us eventually rejoining, replete with single currency and Schengen.
If not, you'd take Osborne's position: which is straight BINO (single market/customs union, the works) with him then back as leader and PM, to lead a reaccession subsequently.0 -
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.0 -
Steady on.CarlottaVance said:
+3IanB2 said:
+2The_Apocalypse said:
+1.ReggieCide said:
"Malcontent" doesn't go anywhere near describing BJ - leaving aside any party issues, as a human being he's a prat of the first order. He fucked up as Mayor and has gone downhill since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Boris is a malcontent. This has got to come to a head shortly. He's undermining Theresa at every opportunity - goading and goading her until she's left with no choice but to sack him. He's completely rubbishing Theresa's EU plans and making her look feeble and inept.Scott_P said:
Sir Hunky Dunky, who works with him reportedly referred to him with a four letter word beginning with 'c'.....
He did a good job as Mayor. But, he's not leadership material.
He'd be good for pep talks to the troops in wartime.0 -
Democracy must be honoured, so that means leaving the EU and the single market/customs union.Casino_Royale said:
I think you want Brexit stopped before it happens, with us remaining on existing terms or on Dave's deal.TheScreamingEagles said:FPT
I want a successful a Brexit so the country doesn't sufffer.Casino_Royale said:It's unclear what you want.
You want us to Leave quickly, so we rejoin quickly.
Yet, you want Brexit to be a success, because you don't want the single currency.
But I fear we're going to get a bad Brexit which will mean us eventually rejoining, replete with single currency and Schengen.
If not, you'd take Osborne's position: which is straight BINO (single market/customs union, the works) with him then back as leader and PM, to lead a reaccession subsequently.0 -
Nonetheless there was still a Tory candidate in Hallam in 2017. Although you celebrated the Cameron majority in 2015 I think you would really have preferred a permanent Tory LD governing Coalition, there would have been no EU referendum and Cameron and Osborne and Clegg would still be in charge now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong, I voted Tory in 2015.HYUFD said:
Plus voting Liberal in Hallam the last two general elections!TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I voted Lib Dem in 2017 as part of a vote swap with a Lib Dem in a Lab/Con marginal down the road which saw a Tory gain.0 -
https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/942704964635422720
How has this Corbynista (see the tweet Rifkind is responding to) made this about Corbyn?
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You really don't know me or what I think.HYUFD said:
Nonetheless there was still a Tory candidate in Hallam in 2017. Although you celebrated the Cameron majority in 2015 I think you would really have preferred a permanent Coalition, there would have been no EU referendum and Cameron and Osborne and Clegg would still be in charge now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong, I voted Tory in 2015.HYUFD said:
Plus voting Liberal in Hallam the last two general elections!TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I voted Lib Dem in 2017 as part of a vote swap with a Lib Dem in a Lab/Con marginal down the road which saw a Tory gain.
I'm absolutely delighted Dave won a majority, the only Tory to do so in the last quarter of a century.
Do you think the Daily Mail are Lib Dems too? Because they encouraged Tory voters in Sheffield Hallam to vote Lib Dem in June.
They produced a guide of where Tory voters should vote tactically and Hallam was one of the top suggestions.0 -
Hunt should beware the old adage 'try to please everyone, end up pleasing no one'TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
TINO....Casino_Royale said:
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
A true Tory would arrange a different monarch......its been done before....
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Yup, I want King Henry IX and Queen Meghan.CarlottaVance said:
TINO....Casino_Royale said:
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
A true Tory would arrange a different monarch......its been done before....0 -
The Daily Mail leans Tory but is not the Tory housepaper, that is the Daily Telegraph.TheScreamingEagles said:
You really don't know me or what I think.HYUFD said:
Nonetheless there was still a Tory candidate in Hallam in 2017. Although you celebrated the Cameron majority in 2015 I think you would really have preferred a permanent Coalition, there would have been no EU referendum and Cameron and Osborne and Clegg would still be in charge now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong, I voted Tory in 2015.HYUFD said:
Plus voting Liberal in Hallam the last two general elections!TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I voted Lib Dem in 2017 as part of a vote swap with a Lib Dem in a Lab/Con marginal down the road which saw a Tory gain.
I'm absolutely delighted Dave won a majority, the only Tory to do so in the last quarter of a century.
Do you think the Daily Mail are Lib Dems too? Because they encouraged Tory voters in Sheffield Hallam to vote Lib Dem in June.
They produced a guide of where Tory voters should vote tactically and Hallam was one of the top suggestions.0 -
My vote in June helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour.HYUFD said:The Daily Mail leans Tory but is not the Tory housepaper, that is the Daily Telegraph.
Endex.0 -
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Me too!TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I want King Henry IX and Queen Meghan.CarlottaVance said:
TINO....Casino_Royale said:
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
A true Tory would arrange a different monarch......its been done before....0 -
I don't care.SouthamObserver said:
Some of us have backed Hunt at 100/1 and 66/1.0 -
In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?0
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Actually someone else's vote helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour promising they followed through with te swap, your vote helped the LDs remain second in Hallam.TheScreamingEagles said:
My vote in June helped the Tories gain a seat from Labour.HYUFD said:The Daily Mail leans Tory but is not the Tory housepaper, that is the Daily Telegraph.
Endex.0 -
Party Chairman then?Casino_Royale said:
Steady on.CarlottaVance said:
+3IanB2 said:
+2The_Apocalypse said:
+1.ReggieCide said:
"Malcontent" doesn't go anywhere near describing BJ - leaving aside any party issues, as a human being he's a prat of the first order. He fucked up as Mayor and has gone downhill since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Boris is a malcontent. This has got to come to a head shortly. He's undermining Theresa at every opportunity - goading and goading her until she's left with no choice but to sack him. He's completely rubbishing Theresa's EU plans and making her look feeble and inept.Scott_P said:
Sir Hunky Dunky, who works with him reportedly referred to him with a four letter word beginning with 'c'.....
He did a good job as Mayor. But, he's not leadership material.
He'd be good for pep talks to the troops in wartime.0 -
Same here my thoughts exactly.HYUFD said:
Too true. I was always 50 50 really but voted Remain as we were still outside the Euro and from a personal view I was not that bothered about free movement enough to leave the single market but now Leave has won we must accept that most Leavers were.CarlottaVance said:
Its funny how some ardent Remainers think the only people who support Brexit are Leave voters.HYUFD said:
I voted Remainwilliamglenn said:
I hope HYUFD is in charge of any hypothetical second Leave campaign. It will go around interrogating people to see if they deserve their Brexit.Mortimer said:Mortimer said:Top thread Charles.
I hope this might stop Tories on here telling other Tories (or potential voters) that they aren't Tories...
Well, that hope lasted all of two minutes.HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
The possibility that they might be Remainers who believe in democracy does not appear to occur to them....0 -
Spent more time at the coal face in a very difficult job.williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
Rudd's been Home Secretary for less than 18 months, Hunt's been Health Secretary for over 5 years.
Done the job competently, faced down the striking Docs.
Also has the advantage of a hefty majority in Surrey.0 -
That's a good question. I'd say they were both good options. Hunt has the advantage of a safe seat, and is perhaps harder-nosed, but he has the disadvantage of having been tainted with the NHS poisoned chalice.williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
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Her Majesty's Most Excellent Ambassador and Plenipotentiary to the Islamic Republic of Iran?MarqueeMark said:
Party Chairman then?Casino_Royale said:
Steady on.CarlottaVance said:
+3IanB2 said:
+2The_Apocalypse said:
+1.ReggieCide said:
"Malcontent" doesn't go anywhere near describing BJ - leaving aside any party issues, as a human being he's a prat of the first order. He fucked up as Mayor and has gone downhill since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Boris is a malcontent. This has got to come to a head shortly. He's undermining Theresa at every opportunity - goading and goading her until she's left with no choice but to sack him. He's completely rubbishing Theresa's EU plans and making her look feeble and inept.Scott_P said:
Sir Hunky Dunky, who works with him reportedly referred to him with a four letter word beginning with 'c'.....
He did a good job as Mayor. But, he's not leadership material.
He'd be good for pep talks to the troops in wartime.0 -
This is why I'm hoping Damian Green has to resign or be sacked.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a good question. I'd say they were both good options. Hunt has the advantage of a safe seat, and is perhaps harder-nosed, but he has the disadvantage of having been tainted with the NHS poisoned chalice.williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
If Green goes May can make Hunt First Secretary of State and get him away from Health.0 -
More successful in business, no links to Bahama based businesses, much bigger majority, can. Claim to be more of a leaver than Rudd... from the perspective of the Tory party faithful Hunt is hated by the right groups - doctors and nurses, while Rudd is not well liked by the police (Moreno popular in Tory households?)williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
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I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.0 -
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.0 -
Hunt is also about the last person you think of when Brexit is mentioned...Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a good question. I'd say they were both good options. Hunt has the advantage of a safe seat, and is perhaps harder-nosed, but he has the disadvantage of having been tainted with the NHS poisoned chalice.williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
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Hopefully a local yokel getting freaked out by one of those dragons in the skies.
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/9427610133336842270 -
I was born 36 years ago today and attended my first Tory rally in 1992 for John Major and canvassed in Tonbridge for the Tories in 1997TheScreamingEagles said:
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.0 -
TrueMarqueeMark said:
Hunt is also about the last person you think of when Brexit is mentioned...Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a good question. I'd say they were both good options. Hunt has the advantage of a safe seat, and is perhaps harder-nosed, but he has the disadvantage of having been tainted with the NHS poisoned chalice.williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
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It sounds like you're introducing yourself at a meeting of "Tories anonymous"!HYUFD said:
I was born 36 years ago today and attended my first Tory rally in 1992 for John Major and canvassed in Tonbridge for the Tories in 1997TheScreamingEagles said:
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.
Edit - Happy Birthday!0 -
PoiticalBetting 10 years ago, with comments:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217061638/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/16/has-cameron-set-a-trap-for-the-new-lib-dem-leader/#comments
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217064556/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/15/yougov-shows-tories-heading-for-a-96-seat-majority/#comments0 -
LOL!SandyRentool said:
It sounds like you're introducing yourself at a meeting of "Tories anonymous"!HYUFD said:
I was born 36 years ago today and attended my first Tory rally in 1992 for John Major and canvassed in Tonbridge for the Tories in 1997TheScreamingEagles said:
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.0 -
Getting into practice for a Corbyn Premiership!SandyRentool said:
It sounds like you're introducing yourself at a meeting of "Tories anonymous"!HYUFD said:
I was born 36 years ago today and attended my first Tory rally in 1992 for John Major and canvassed in Tonbridge for the Tories in 1997TheScreamingEagles said:
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.
Edit - Happy Birthday!
Thanks too0 -
I'd personally slice the great coalition that is the Conservative Party slightly differently. I'd identify four components:
- business friendly (Nigel Lawson)
- socially conservative (TMay)
- One Nation (Ken Clarke)
- libertarian (Dan Hannan).
As with any coalition, successful leaders must straddle divides within the party, offering bribes to each, while disappointing them in equal measure. So Margaret offered:
- the business friendly trade union reform, etc.
- the socially conservative clause 28
- the one Nationers the continuation of the welfare state
- the libertarians market liberalisation (also a boon to the business friendly).
Indeed when a government has a tiny majority (Major in the 90s and TMay now), British political history comprises little else besides this balancing act.
Of course, one can identify components (sometimes parallel, sometimes opposite) amongst the Socialists.0 -
Not hat's Lakenheath you're thinking of.TheScreamingEagles said:Hopefully a local yokel getting freaked out by one of those dragons in the skies.
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/942761013333684227
Mildenhall is all Eagles.0 -
My SKY Broadband Shield doesn't like them linkies.....AndyJS said:PoiticalBetting 10 years ago, with comments:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217061638/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/16/has-cameron-set-a-trap-for-the-new-lib-dem-leader/#comments
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217064556/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/15/yougov-shows-tories-heading-for-a-96-seat-majority/#comments0 -
That's odd, it's just the WaybackMachine.MarqueeMark said:
My SKY Broadband Shield doesn't like them linkies.....AndyJS said:PoiticalBetting 10 years ago, with comments:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217061638/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/16/has-cameron-set-a-trap-for-the-new-lib-dem-leader/#comments
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217064556/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/15/yougov-shows-tories-heading-for-a-96-seat-majority/#comments0 -
Mrs May isn't a social conservative.Fishing said:I'd personally slice the great coalition that is the Conservative Party slightly differently. I'd identify four components:
- business friendly (Nigel Lawson)
- socially conservative (TMay)
- One Nation (Ken Clarke)
- libertarian (Dan Hannan).
As with any coalition, successful leaders must straddle divides within the party, offering bribes to each, while disappointing them in equal measure. So Margaret offered:
- the business friendly trade union reform, etc.
- the socially conservative clause 28
- the one Nationers the continuation of the welfare state
- the libertarians market liberalisation (also a boon to the business friendly).
Indeed when a government has a tiny majority (Major in the 90s and TMay now), British political history comprises little else besides this balancing act.
Of course, one can identify components (sometimes parallel, sometimes opposite) amongst the Socialists.
A social conservative wouldn't have championed same sex marriage.0 -
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Depends - some social conservatives favoured bringing gays into the institution of marriage, which they believed to be the bedrock of society.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May isn't a social conservative.
A social conservative wouldn't have championed same sex marriage.
Anyway, a social conservative would have upgraded marijuana to a class B, while most other democracies were moving towards legalisation; introduced the snooper's charter and repeatedly promised to cut immigration. May did all those.0 -
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/942764432949743617TheScreamingEagles said:Hopefully a local yokel getting freaked out by one of those dragons in the skies.
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/9427610133336842270 -
Happy birthday youngster!HYUFD said:
I was born 36 years ago today and attended my first Tory rally in 1992 for John Major and canvassed in Tonbridge for the Tories in 1997TheScreamingEagles said:
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.0 -
Sounds like he was freaked out by one of them there "Devil's chariots" they have in that there London.....CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/942764432949743617TheScreamingEagles said:Hopefully a local yokel getting freaked out by one of those dragons in the skies.
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/9427610133336842270 -
Blast from the past. How did we manage without a quote button?!AndyJS said:PoiticalBetting 10 years ago, with comments:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217061638/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/16/has-cameron-set-a-trap-for-the-new-lib-dem-leader/#comments
http://web.archive.org/web/20071217064556/http://politicalbetting.com:80/index.php/archives/2007/12/15/yougov-shows-tories-heading-for-a-96-seat-majority/#comments0 -
Why the Germans are right about economics
https://www.ft.com/content/ca8e2822-e3da-11e7-97e2-916d4fbac0da0 -
Have been impressed with Hunts recent move to embrace social media. Thick skinned as well having recently done a Facebook live Q and A session - the amount of abuse flung at him..Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a good question. I'd say they were both good options. Hunt has the advantage of a safe seat, and is perhaps harder-nosed, but he has the disadvantage of having been tainted with the NHS poisoned chalice.williamglenn said:In what way is Hunt a better candidate than Rudd?
I've a few reservations about his own grasp of the details on occasion (in a work guise) but I think his stock has improved rapidly.0 -
Yes, not a bizarre reactionary along the lines of JRM, but pretty conservative.Fishing said:
Depends - some social conservatives favoured bringing gays into the institution of marriage, which they believed to be the bedrock of society.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May isn't a social conservative.
A social conservative wouldn't have championed same sex marriage.
Anyway, a social conservative would have upgraded marijuana to a class B, while most other democracies were moving towards legalisation; introduced the snooper's charter and repeatedly promised to cut immigration. May did all those.
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Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I want King Henry IX and Queen Meghan.CarlottaVance said:
TINO....Casino_Royale said:
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
A true Tory would arrange a different monarch......its been done before....0 -
Be curious to know how many tribes Labour currently has.
And how many of them are walking the desert.....0 -
At risk of sounding like Justin, Bonar Law was not Unionist leader until 1911 and Home Rule was not an issue in either election of 1910. The first was primarily about the budget, the second about the constitution. Secondary issues included tariffs and education, rather than Ireland.HYUFD said:
Carson represented much of Tory opinion at the time and indeed that in the country which was why Bonar Law almost won the 1910 elections on an anti Home Rule ticket.Charles said:
For what it's worth, I wrote my thesis on Carson... The Covenant was simply political theatre in the tradition of the Ulstermen. As with Larne and Curragh, Carson never intended the UVF to actually fight (he was a former Solicitor General, Cabinet member, lawyer, politician and a member of one of the most prominent Ascendancy families). If he had really taken "the high road to treason and despair" do you think he would have been given a UK state funeral?HYUFD said:
Apologies, it was Churchill but Carson did certainly organise the 'Solemn League and Covenant' of half a million to use all means necessary to resist Home Rule.Charles said:
"Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right" was Randolph Churchill, not Carson. Carson was a far more sophisticated man than Churchill - and hated the dismemberment of his beloved homeland. For him Ulster was just a tool to try and prevent the dissolution of the Union - but he was then betrayed by James Craig.
Wellington was not an Ultra (he pushed Catholic Emancipation through Parliament) and nor was Bonar Law - he was a bridge between Walter Long and the protectionists and Austen Chamberlain. IDS is more of a Radical than anything else: just look at his reforms to the welfare state.
Wellington opposed the Great Reform Act of 1832 and the expansion of the franchise which would suggest he was an Ultra. IDS voted against gay marriage and withdrew the whip from those who supported gay adoption and is a hard Brexiteer.
As for Wellington:
the Ultra-Tories were united in their antipathy towards the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel for what they saw as a betrayal of Tory political and religious principle on the issue of Catholic Emancipation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Tories
Peel was a Radical not an Ultra no but Wellington led Ultra resistance to the Great Reform Act
Afterwards, because the Liberals had no overall majority and swiftly became the second largest party due to by-election losses leaving them once again dependent on Irish support, it became an issue. It was also, helpfully, an issue on which the entire Unionist party was united while the Liberals were quite badly split.
And happy birthday, have a good one.0 -
HB HYUFD!HYUFD said:
I was born 36 years ago today and attended my first Tory rally in 1992 for John Major and canvassed in Tonbridge for the Tories in 1997TheScreamingEagles said:
I wasn't even born in 1977.MarqueeMark said:
I dunno, these Johnny-Come-Lately's......TheScreamingEagles said:
How many Tory MPs have you helped elect?CarlottaVance said:
TINO.......HYUFD said:
The Queen is apolitical completely, the Queen Mother was never sovereign, your Republicanism of course tips you from being a Radical Tory to an Orange Book Liberal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
I've been pounding the pavements since the days of William Hague.
I was properly blooded in pavement-pounding at the Ashfied by-election in 1977. Where we got a Tory MP in a mining seat, on a swing of over 20%.
I would have campaigned for the Tories in 1997 but I was doing my A-Levels then, I was under a lot of pressure and I don't think my Mum would have allowed it.0 -
I thought the convention was from Union of the Crowns/The Act of the Union we'd go for whatever the highest number the Regnal name had been used before by either Crown.CarlottaVance said:Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?
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Harry has quite a reputation as a ladies' man, but I don't think he's quite up to the awesome standard of sex mania sustained by the third Norman king.CarlottaVance said:
Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I want King Henry IX and Queen Meghan.CarlottaVance said:
TINO....Casino_Royale said:
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
A true Tory would arrange a different monarch......its been done before....0 -
Just two, obviously: socialists and Red Tories.MarqueeMark said:Be curious to know how many tribes Labour currently has.
And how many of them are walking the desert.....0 -
A more difficult question might be whether he would be Henry IX or Henry X. Just as Charles seeems to be dodging questions about being Charles III or Charles IV by saying he'll be George VII.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the convention was from Union of the Crowns/The Act of the Union we'd go for whatever the highest number the Regnal name had been used before by either Crown.CarlottaVance said:Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?
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Perhaps Harry could honour his father and go for King James?ydoethur said:
A more difficult question might be whether he would be Henry IX or Henry X. Just as Charles seeems to be dodging questions about being Charles III or Charles IV by saying he'll be George VII.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the convention was from Union of the Crowns/The Act of the Union we'd go for whatever the highest number the Regnal name had been used before by either Crown.CarlottaVance said:Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?
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Happy birthday @HYUFD I have to say I would never have thought you’d be a millennial (I thought you were older!)0
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Wouldn't help - James III or James IV?TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps Harry could honour his father and go for King James?ydoethur said:
A more difficult question might be whether he would be Henry IX or Henry X. Just as Charles seeems to be dodging questions about being Charles III or Charles IV by saying he'll be George VII.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the convention was from Union of the Crowns/The Act of the Union we'd go for whatever the highest number the Regnal name had been used before by either Crown.CarlottaVance said:Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?
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The kiss of death for Nick Clegg?TheScreamingEagles said:(...)Do you think the Daily Mail are Lib Dems too? Because they encouraged Tory voters in Sheffield Hallam to vote Lib Dem in June.
They produced a guide of where Tory voters should vote tactically and Hallam was one of the top suggestions.0 -
In fact though he would be James VIII or IX following that custom of the higher regnal number.ydoethur said:
Wouldn't help - James III or James IV?TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps Harry could honour his father and go for King James?ydoethur said:
A more difficult question might be whether he would be Henry IX or Henry X. Just as Charles seeems to be dodging questions about being Charles III or Charles IV by saying he'll be George VII.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the convention was from Union of the Crowns/The Act of the Union we'd go for whatever the highest number the Regnal name had been used before by either Crown.CarlottaVance said:Surely a member of the Conservative and Unionist Party would look forward to King Henry I?
Perhaps it would be easier to be David III?0 -
Surely he would be the first of his name in the house of Windsor?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, I want King Henry IX and Queen Meghan.CarlottaVance said:
TINO....Casino_Royale said:
No true Tory would write this.TheScreamingEagles said:
So our Monarchy is deeply political.HYUFD said:
Actually she treated the Queen with reverence and always gave a deep curtsy to her.TheScreamingEagles said:I reckon Mrs Thatcher was a closet Republican too.
"The problem is, [Thatcher] lamented, the Queen is the kind of woman who could vote SDP.”
The Queen Mother though was a staunch Thatcherite and anti EU.
It is meant to be apolitical.
Abolish it now.
A true Tory would arrange a different monarch......its been done before....0
