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Thinking about the timing, the meaningful vote will have to come very early in the ratification process, so there won't be much immediate 'cliff edge' pressure to discourage MPs from voting it down.
We know for sure that the deal will include payments and a status quo transition, but no detailed trade agreement, so the mood to reject the deal might be quite strong, which would lead us towards a high-stakes 11th hour stand off.0 -
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.0 -
lolRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:
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That depends what you, or anyone who said it, meant. If only one amendment, however significant, is lost, then it has effectively sailed though untroubled. If someone envisaged no losses or climbdowns at all, sure, that is wrong.Alistair said:All those comments about the legistlation sailing through untroubled have aged well.
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I think the Hodge is nervous that the Tory Right might do something silly.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.0 -
Faisal Islam is Juncker's pa - as is Boulton, Rigby and Mark StoneRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
That's not something to be nervous about, that's a given.Stark_Dawning said:
I think the Hodge is nervous that the Tory Right might do something silly.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Haha Dan Hodges has obviously been reading SeanT, GIN1138 and some of the other headbangers here on PBThe_Apocalypse said:
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Agree with DanThe_Apocalypse said:0 -
Viewed from the far right, the centre looks a long way left (and vice versa of course!). Similarly for Brexit.RobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.0 -
I'm on the far right?Benpointer said:
Viewed from the far right, the centre looks a long way left (and vice versa of course!). Similarly for Brexit.RobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Darth Gideon: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the LEAVERS.kle4 said:
Like the Jedi should have purged themselves of Anakin, a cancer in their midst.TheScreamingEagles said:
Like Major purged the Eurosceptics after Maastricht ?MaxPB said:Time to purge the EUphiles. We should have got rid of them at the first sign of dissent.
Or was that the right type of dissent ?
TSE: The LEAVERS use their power for good.
Darth Gideon: Good is a point of view, Anakin, er, I mean TSE. The LEAVERS and the REMAINERS are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.
TSE: The REMAINERS rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.
Darth Gideon: And the LEAVERS don't?
TSE: The LEAVERS are selfless... they only care about others.
Darth Gideon: [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Smithson "the Wise"?
TSE: No.
Darth Gideon: I thought not. It's not a story the LibDems would tell you. It's a Blogging legend. Darth Smithson was a Daft Lord of the Sith who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... AV threads. He had such a knowledge of the Daft Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying from boredom on Thursday Nights.
TSE: He could do that? He could actually save people from boring themselves to death?
Darth Gideon: The Daft Side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.
TSE: What happened to him?
Darth Gideon: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice wiped his servers' hard drives while he slept. It's ironic that he could save others from obscurity, but not himself.
TSE: Is it possible to learn this power?
Darth Gideon: Not from a LibDem...
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The point was it is not a classy analogy, even if you believe it to be apt.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.0 -
First, clumsy plus physiologically nonsensical.SeanT said:
I am happy to hear first hand accounts from British friends of yours who work in German broadcast media. Seriously. Perhaps they differ.TOPPING said:
Your friend was the only one who could work that out, was he?SeanT said:
A senior journo friend of mine has just spent two years working for the German equivalent of the BBC (English-language version). He started in the beeb and he's a dyed-in-the-wool lefty. Hates Tories. We have happy arguments all the time, usually about politics, sometimes rugby (he's a Taff). All in all he is a top bloke.oxfordsimon said:
It is not just the number of terrorist incidents that is important - it is other incidents and the reaction of the authorities to them. That is where the real problems lie.TOPPING said:
How does the number of terrorist incidents in Germany vs here stack up?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, enclaves, rising crime/terrorism, little integration, rowing back of crucial values (it's already happening with free speech).
Mr. Tyndall, any chance that MPs will try and make the choice between the deal or status quo (ie remaining)?
He , this is how we do things, we don't want to give Nazis airtime, refugees are brilliant, go away.
He has now left, in despair, and runs the entire broadcasting network on a sunny rich Caribbean island, and good luck to him.
I think the situation in the German press is much more nuanced and fair, but German broadcast media is hideously biased to a liberal bien pensant point of view, and TV is where most Germans get their news. And Germans are much more regimented in their thinking and will follow a party line much more dutifully than bolshy Brits.
That's how Merkel has got herself re-elected despite her migration disasters. Germans are not told the news. They are told what to think.
What a uniquely brilliant mind he must have.
Otherwise I simply offer this up as genuine verbatiim account of how German TV news works, and which might explain why Merkel has survived, and why the German population seems *relatively* quiescent (AfD aside), on the migrant issue.
If you're just being a rhetorical prat, then go bugger yourself, it shouldn't be too traumatic, what with your uniquely tiny penis.
And secondly your mate sees what no other German sees and what, we’re supposed to keep it a secret from the rest of the German population just like he has?
Apposite you should be talking about dicks.0 -
I love that scene. Yeah, the prequels are not good movies, but people react like babies about how bad they supposedly are, and there's enough good material in the three to make one good movie. Maybe 1.5.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Darth Gideon: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the LEAVERS.kle4 said:
Like the Jedi should have purged themselves of Anakin, a cancer in their midst.TheScreamingEagles said:
Like Major purged the Eurosceptics after Maastricht ?MaxPB said:Time to purge the EUphiles. We should have got rid of them at the first sign of dissent.
Or was that the right type of dissent ?
TSE: The LEAVERS use their power for good.
Darth Gideon: Good is a point of view, Anakin, er, I mean TSE. The LEAVERS and the REMAINERS are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.
TSE: The REMAINERS rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.
Darth Gideon: And the LEAVERS don't?
TSE: The LEAVERS are selfless... they only care about others.
Darth Gideon: [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Smithson "the Wise"?
TSE: No.
Darth Gideon: I thought not. It's not a story the LibDems would tell you. It's a Blogging legend. Darth Smithson was a Daft Lord of the Sith who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... AV threads. He had such a knowledge of the Daft Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying from boredom on Thursday Nights.
TSE: He could do that? He could actually save people from boring themselves to death?
Darth Gideon: The Daft Side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.
TSE: What happened to him?
Darth Gideon: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice wiped his servers' hard drives while he slept. It's ironic that he could save others from obscurity, but not himself.
TSE: Is it possible to learn this power?
Darth Gideon: Not from a LibDem...0 -
Other news channels are available if you don't like Sky Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam is Juncker's pa - as is Boulton, Rigby and Mark StoneRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
You don't recognise the possibility that the HoC might refuse to rubber-stamp the final agreement?Benpointer said:The really stupid thing about tonight's vote was why the Government felt the need to prevent the HoC rubber-stamping the final agreement!?
Please tell me you are trolling.0 -
Because of brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
You still thinking of emigrating foxy ?0 -
I hope not, since that means I probably am as well as often as you preempt what I intend to say.RobD said:
I'm on the far right?Benpointer said:
Viewed from the far right, the centre looks a long way left (and vice versa of course!). Similarly for Brexit.RobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
I am disappointed in Sky. They are negative in everything they report on - all is doom and gloom. The BBC are much better to be fair and at least attempt to be balancedBenpointer said:
Other news channels are available if you don't like Sky Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam is Juncker's pa - as is Boulton, Rigby and Mark StoneRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Not yet, need to pick up my gold plated pension firstTykejohnno said:
Because of brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
You still thinking of emigrating foxy ?
Not long to go now.0 -
No, I am not saying that! Just trying to make the point that neutrals are seldom seen as neutral, which is true for left/right and for leave/remain.RobD said:
I'm on the far right?Benpointer said:
Viewed from the far right, the centre looks a long way left (and vice versa of course!). Similarly for Brexit.RobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
I'm waiting for TSE to join the brain fade and hemigrate.Tykejohnno said:
Because of brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
You still thinking of emigrating foxy ? 0 -
So you address it to @MarkHopkins too?kle4 said:
The point was it is not a classy analogy, even if you believe it to be apt.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.0 -
I think I'm best placed to speak to neutrality here (at least as far as avatar image goes.Benpointer said:
No, I am not saying that! Just trying to make the point that neutrals are seldom seen as neutral, which is true for left/right and for leave/remain.RobD said:
I'm on the far right?Benpointer said:
Viewed from the far right, the centre looks a long way left (and vice versa of course!). Similarly for Brexit.RobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Vote with your remote! Even better cancel your Sky subscription and hit them where it hurts!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am disappointed in Sky. They are negative in everything they report on - all is doom and gloom. The BBC are much better to be fair and at least attempt to be balancedBenpointer said:
Other news channels are available if you don't like Sky Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam is Juncker's pa - as is Boulton, Rigby and Mark StoneRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Emmanuel Macron: If Cameron attacks the Leavers, everything will be alright.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
Michel Barnier: Monsieur Macron... Cameron...
Angela Merkel: Cameron didn't have enough Remainers. The Remain victory didn't take place.
[Macron pauses to take off his glasses]
Macron: The following stay here: Tusk, Merkel, Barnier and Juncker.
[The four named EU bigwigs, along with Hollande and Verhofstadt, remain in the room as the others leave. The door closes behind them]
That was an order! Cameron's attack was an order! How dare you ignore my orders?!
[Macron's ranting is clearly audible outside the room]
Is this what it came to? The Commission, everybody lied to me. Even the LibDems! The Remainers are no more than a bunch of disloyal cowards!
Juncker: Monsieur Macron, I can't permit you to insult the British Remainers-
Macron: They are all cowards, traitors and failures!
Juncker: Monsieur Macron, This is outrageous!
Macron: The Commission are the scum of the European Project!
[flings a pencil onto the table]
NO SENSE OF HONOUR! You call yourself "Commissioner" because you spent years at the academy, where you only learned how to use a knife and fork! For years, the Commission obstructed me. All you ever did is thwart me. What I should have done, is had all the high officers fired, like Donald Trump did!
[pauses]
I never went to the academy. But I conquered all of France on my own. Traitors! I've been betrayed and deceived from the start. Such enormous betrayal of the European people.
But all these traitors will pay. They will pay with their own jobs! They will drown in their European Regulations!
Theresa May: [To Anna Soubry, outside the room] Anna, please calm yourself!
Macron: All my orders have been ignored. How can I be a President under these circumstances? It's over. The war is lost. But if you think this means I'll leave Brussels... you're wrong. I'd rather give Nigel Farage fellatio! [sighs] Do whatever you want.0 -
Certainly. It's not a condemnation, doc, I just didn't expect it.foxinsoxuk said:
So you address it to @MarkHopkins too?kle4 said:
The point was it is not a classy analogy, even if you believe it to be apt.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.0 -
We had a bipartisan moment of joy over the vote between Lab and LD tellers at a polling station tonight. Two parties, but still one tribe at heart.
There are two main effects:
(1) It shows the Tory Europhiles are not enirely toothless. If they'd lost this they'd have been ignored hereafter.
(2) It retains a slender possibility of Brexit being reversed. If Parliament were to vote down a deal, there would certainly be EU voices offering to scrap the whole withdrawal and the legal arguments that it's not possible would evaporate if Britain and the EU decided they wanted that. But the precondition would be a major shift in public opinion.
Incidentally, I think the LibDems may win tonight's (rare, Wednesday - no suitable polling sites free tomorrow) by-election in Godalming, Waverley council (current 100% Tory/Ratepayer). For some reason they didn' stand last tim but it's the kind of seat where they can catapult from nothing to 2nd or 1st, and they had a majot with lots of canvassing and knock-up. Labour's effort was more limited, and my impression from a bit of canvassing (it's up the road from where I live in Haslemere) is that the LibDems were doing well.
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kle4 said:
Certainly. It's not a condemnation, doc, I just didn't expect it.foxinsoxuk said:
So you address it to MarkHopkins too?kle4 said:
The point was it is not a classy analogy, even if you believe it to be apt.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
No expects the ...
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I think Episode 3 is decent. The second half of episode 2 is too.kle4 said:
I love that scene. Yeah, the prequels are not good movies, but people react like babies about how bad they supposedly are, and there's enough good material in the three to make one good movie. Maybe 1.5.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Darth Gideon: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the LEAVERS.kle4 said:
Like the Jedi should have purged themselves of Anakin, a cancer in their midst.TheScreamingEagles said:
Like Major purged the Eurosceptics after Maastricht ?MaxPB said:Time to purge the EUphiles. We should have got rid of them at the first sign of dissent.
Or was that the right type of dissent ?
TSE: The LEAVERS use their power for good.
Darth Gideon: Good is a point of view, Anakin, er, I mean TSE. The LEAVERS and the REMAINERS are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.
TSE: The REMAINERS rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.
Darth Gideon: And the LEAVERS don't?
TSE: The LEAVERS are selfless... they only care about others.
Darth Gideon: [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Smithson "the Wise"?
TSE: No.
Darth Gideon: I thought not. It's not a story the LibDems would tell you. It's a Blogging legend. Darth Smithson was a Daft Lord of the Sith who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... AV threads. He had such a knowledge of the Daft Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying from boredom on Thursday Nights.
TSE: He could do that? He could actually save people from boring themselves to death?
Darth Gideon: The Daft Side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.
TSE: What happened to him?
Darth Gideon: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice wiped his servers' hard drives while he slept. It's ironic that he could save others from obscurity, but not himself.
TSE: Is it possible to learn this power?
Darth Gideon: Not from a LibDem...
The dog's breakfast was episode 1.0 -
TBH I was kind of hoping for a tie in the amendment vote.0
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foxinsoxuk said:
So you address it to MarkHopkins too?kle4 said:
The point was it is not a classy analogy, even if you believe it to be apt.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
It was a legitimate psychological comparison. Self-harming comes in many forms.
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You get Sky News without paying for a subscription?Benpointer said:
Vote with your remote! Even better cancel your Sky subscription and hit them where it hurts!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am disappointed in Sky. They are negative in everything they report on - all is doom and gloom. The BBC are much better to be fair and at least attempt to be balancedBenpointer said:
Other news channels are available if you don't like Sky Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam is Juncker's pa - as is Boulton, Rigby and Mark StoneRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Lucas is a great visual director, though his writing is not stellar. I'll be honest though, I've rewatched Ep 1 many times when I rewatch the series. It's by no means good, heck some parts really are very bad, but it's not so bad I feel like I'm suffering to get through it.Philip_Thompson said:
I think Episode 3 is decent. The second half of episode 2 is too.kle4 said:
I love that scene. Yeah, the prequels are not good movies, but people react like babies about how bad they supposedly are, and there's enough good material in the three to make one good movie. Maybe 1.5.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Darth Gideon: Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the LEAVERS.kle4 said:
Like the Jedi should have purged themselves of Anakin, a cancer in their midst.TheScreamingEagles said:
Like Major purged the Eurosceptics after Maastricht ?MaxPB said:Time to purge the EUphiles. We should have got rid of them at the first sign of dissent.
Or was that the right type of dissent ?
TSE: The LEAVERS use their power for good.
Darth Gideon: Good is a point of view, Anakin, er, I mean TSE. The LEAVERS and the REMAINERS are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.
TSE: The REMAINERS rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.
Darth Gideon: And the LEAVERS don't?
TSE: The LEAVERS are selfless... they only care about others.
Darth Gideon: [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Smithson "the Wise"?
TSE: No.
Darth Gideon: I thought not. It's not a story the LibDems would tell you. It's a Blogging legend. Darth Smithson was a Daft Lord of the Sith who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... AV threads. He had such a knowledge of the Daft Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying from boredom on Thursday Nights.
TSE: He could do that? He could actually save people from boring themselves to death?
Darth Gideon: The Daft Side of the Force is a pathway to many policy platforms some consider to be unelectable.
TSE: What happened to him?
Darth Gideon: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice wiped his servers' hard drives while he slept. It's ironic that he could save others from obscurity, but not himself.
TSE: Is it possible to learn this power?
Darth Gideon: Not from a LibDem...
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Presume the ? was superfluous there GIN, and good point - no subscription needed for Remain Sky News. My bad!GIN1138 said:
You get Sky News without paying for a subscription?Benpointer said:
Vote with your remote! Even better cancel your Sky subscription and hit them where it hurts!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am disappointed in Sky. They are negative in everything they report on - all is doom and gloom. The BBC are much better to be fair and at least attempt to be balancedBenpointer said:
Other news channels are available if you don't like Sky Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam is Juncker's pa - as is Boulton, Rigby and Mark StoneRobD said:
People on here think he's neutral? News to meTykejohnno said:
It's funny how this sky reporter keeps reporting the negatives of leave and people on here think he's remain/leave neutral.kle4 said:
It is funny how rebelling is the right thing to do, when it isn't your own rebels of course.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
BBC covering current shambles in Germany re formation of a government.0
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What would happen then - 30 mins of extra time?kle4 said:TBH I was kind of hoping for a tie in the amendment vote.
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Sudden death.Benpointer said:
What would happen then - 30 mins of extra time?kle4 said:TBH I was kind of hoping for a tie in the amendment vote.
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I think Corbyn will benefit from an anti Brexit backlash too. British politics is in a vicious cycle of spiteful retaliation. There is very little positive vision in either party, possibly with the exception of a rather delusional JRM.MarkHopkins said:foxinsoxuk said:
So you address it to MarkHopkins too?kle4 said:
The point was it is not a classy analogy, even if you believe it to be apt.foxinsoxuk said:
Perfectly serious.kle4 said:
Classy, doc.foxinsoxuk said:
You describe the self harming of the June 2016 referendum very well.MarkHopkins said:GIN1138 said:Some on the EU are mad enough to try it. Hopefully common sense will prevail but the Tory rebels have certainly made it much more likely it'll be no deal rather than a sensible compromise.
People self-harm when they feel they have no control over their lives. It's a human response: "I can't control anything else, but I can control what I do to myself". Remainers are self-harming because they lost the referendum, and they are trying to do something anything that puts them back in control. Even if it only actually makes things worse.
People who feel loss of control do self harm, and Brexit was the result.
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I've noticed Disney have largely dropped the "Episode" and numbers from the new movies.Philip_Thompson said:
I think Episode 3 is decent. The second half of episode 2 is too.
The dog's breakfast was episode 1.
Like the official title of the new movie is: Star Wars - The Last Jedi rather than Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi.
Famously this is a battle George Lucas had with the studio's right from 1977 when he had to fight tooth and nail to get Episode IV - A New Hope included in the title with "Star Wars"
Interesting that one of the first changes to take place since Disney acquired the franchise was to pretty much ditch any reference to the Episode and it's number.0 -
Benpointer said:
What would happen then - 30 mins of extra time?kle4 said:TBH I was kind of hoping for a tie in the amendment vote.
Penalty shootout. Where TMay walks away leaving an open goal... and Corbyn trips over the ball.
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Did the list of tonight's Tory rebels match the Daily Telegraphs Muniteer 15, does anyone know?0
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MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
What would happen then - 30 mins of extra time?kle4 said:TBH I was kind of hoping for a tie in the amendment vote.
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Sounds about right. It's a choke chain not an emergency cord.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Though officially they are still making a distinction are they not between 'trilogies' and the side story ones? Honestly, people worry about oversaturation which is fair, but with it being a whole massive universe, going main story, side story, main story, side story year on year, seems like a good formula for stories and making money, once they get away from doing the backstories of already known characters.GIN1138 said:
I've noticed Disney have largely dropped the "Episode" and numbers from the new movies.Philip_Thompson said:
I think Episode 3 is decent. The second half of episode 2 is too.
The dog's breakfast was episode 1.
Like the official title of the new movie is: Star Wars - The Last Jedi rather than Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi.
Famously this is a battle George Lucas had with the studio's right from 1977 when he had to fight tooth and nail to get Episode IV - A New Hope included in the title with "Star Wars"
Interesting that one of the first changes to take place since Disney acquired the franchise to pretty much ditch any reference to the Episode and it's Number.0 -
People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.0
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And then Gove and Johnson boot it in their own net so TM loses anywayMarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
What would happen then - 30 mins of extra time?kle4 said:TBH I was kind of hoping for a tie in the amendment vote.
Penalty shootout. Where TMay walks away leaving an open goal... and Corbyn trips over the ball.0 -
More than ever now its a yearly thing. Even adjusted for inflation the Ep7 was around the 11th or 12th highest grossing movie of all time. Games, books, movies, toys, its a phenomenon.AlastairMeeks said:People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.
I'm just a moderate fan myself - only ever seen the movies, and while I like them, the originals are not as faultless as people remember them.0 -
Yeah, they still make the distinction between the Episodic Star Wars (like Last Jedi) and the anthology (spin-off) films.kle4 said:
Though officially they are still making a distinction are they not between 'trilogies' and the side story ones? Honestly, people worry about oversaturation which is fair, but with it being a whole massive universe, going main story, side story, main story, side story year on year, seems like a good formula for stories and making money, once they get away from doing the backstories of already known characters.GIN1138 said:
I've noticed Disney have largely dropped the "Episode" and numbers from the new movies.Philip_Thompson said:
I think Episode 3 is decent. The second half of episode 2 is too.
The dog's breakfast was episode 1.
Like the official title of the new movie is: Star Wars - The Last Jedi rather than Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi.
Famously this is a battle George Lucas had with the studio's right from 1977 when he had to fight tooth and nail to get Episode IV - A New Hope included in the title with "Star Wars"
Interesting that one of the first changes to take place since Disney acquired the franchise to pretty much ditch any reference to the Episode and it's Number.0 -
Beats going round and round in circles over Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.
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Theresa May as Darth Sidious.GIN1138 said:
Beats going round and round in circles over Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.
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Episode IX - The Muniteers Rebel (Slightly)GIN1138 said:
Beats going round and round in circles over Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.
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No, only 11. But the Labour pro-Leave MPs were persuaded to vote with the rest of the party this time.Benpointer said:Did the list of tonight's Tory rebels match the Daily Telegraphs Muniteer 15, does anyone know?
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Episode VIII is out tomorrow...AlastairMeeks said:People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.
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George Osborne as Darth Gideon, corrupting young TSE.kle4 said:
Theresa May as Darth Sidious.GIN1138 said:
Beats going round and round in circles over Brexit.AlastairMeeks said:People are still interested in Star Wars? How quaint.
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Muniteer???Benpointer said:Did the list of tonight's Tory rebels match the Daily Telegraphs Muniteer 15, does anyone know?
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I think this is one of the more sensible comments of the evening.Torby_Fennel said:My own view, as a Remain voter, is that I think a Brexit deal approved by parliament stands a better chance of uniting the country than one approved by just the government does. Certainly I'll be more inclined to look on any deal with less hostile eyes if parliament approves it. It's not about stopping Brexit - that ship has sailed, sadly.
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