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On this week’s podcast, Keiran is joined by Mick Fealty of Slugger O’Toole to discuss what the DUP really wants from Brexit negotiations, the role that Irish domestic politics is playing and will play moving forward plus a new poll apparently showing support in Northern Ireland for a united Ireland with EU membership.
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First like the DUP.0
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2nd like Tories next GE0
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What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.0
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Stupid Vanilla ate my comment
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Or BoJo's red linesFrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
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On topic, this was a good piece on Slugger O'Toole recently:
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/04/how-brexit-is-destroying-nis-centre-ground-and-could-take-the-union-with-it/
How brexit is destroying Northern Ireland’s centre ground – and could take the Union with it0 -
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.0 -
4THRobD said:Stupid Vanilla ate my comment
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FiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.0 -
I see the Quote button seems to be working...0
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DUP once again showing their favourite word in the English language starts with N and ends with O.williamglenn said:0 -
williamglenn said:
So she bloody well should - time to call their bluff. Oh and cancel the promised £1bn while she's about it!0 -
Their second favourite starts with N and ends with ever.numbertwelve said:
DUP once again showing their favourite word in the English language starts with N and ends with O.williamglenn said:0 -
Good article. Interesting statistic that the unionist parties get 49.5% of the vote in Northern Ireland, declining by 1.5% every ten years.williamglenn said:On topic, this was a good piece on Slugger O'Toole recently:
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/04/how-brexit-is-destroying-nis-centre-ground-and-could-take-the-union-with-it/
How brexit is destroying Northern Ireland’s centre ground – and could take the Union with it
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Surely not even Tezza could endure another last-minute let down after this current round of expectation building. Could she?williamglenn said:0 -
8 uploaded.Benpointer said:
FiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.
3 pulled (Two on the cutting room floor, one because of events, one because of David Herdson, one pushed a few days later)
I remember it well, I went to bed at just after 1am and got an alert that Corbyn had sacked Benn then a text from a journalist that a coup was beginning.
I was not impressed.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/7468698885815255050 -
So it will be more like iOS updates ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.0 -
Fair enough - I concedeTheScreamingEagles said:
8 uploaded.Benpointer said:
FiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.
3 pulled (Two on the cutting room floor, one because of events, one because of David Herdson, one pushed a few days later)
I remember it well, I went to bed at just after 1am and got an alert that Corbyn had sacked Benn then a text from a journalist that a coup was beginning.
I was not impressed.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/746869888581525505
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FrancisUrquhart said:
So it will be more like iOS updates ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.
To be fair, not many of TSE's threads are to fix the one that had just been issued.
Then again, to be fair to Apple, at least they fix them, unlike you know who.0 -
Thanks to iOS 11.2 I've been introduced to the joys of fast wireless charging.FrancisUrquhart said:
So it will be more like iOS updates ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.
It is da bomb.0 -
Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?0
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Welcome to 2016....that has been available from other phone manufacturer for ages...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks to iOS 11.2 I've been introduced to the joys of fast wireless charging.FrancisUrquhart said:
So it will be more like iOS updates ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.
It is da bomb.0 -
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
For the first time, entire rounds of Premier League matches will be shown live under the next UK broadcast deal, Telegraph Sport can reveal.
The games will be broadcast in midweek and on Bank Holidays. Saturday night matches will also be up for grabs, pitching live football against the likes of Strictly Come Dancing and The X Factor in the battle for a share of the massive and lucrative weekend audience.
The world’s richest league on Thursday night issued the tender document for the television rights to its fixtures for the 2019-22 seasons, a copy of which has been seen by Telegraph Sport.
It can be revealed that the league will make 200 of its 380 matches a year available, 42 more than at present, with three rounds of midweek and one of Bank Holiday games accounting for all but two of the additional fixtures.
The 2019 season will also herald the advent of regular Saturday night Premier League football, with eight matches per season on offer under a three-year contract in which clubs are targeting an increase in the eye-watering £5.14 billion they secured from Sky Sports and BT Sport for the existing rights.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/07/full-rounds-premier-league-games-shown-live-tv-first-time/0 -
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
When will they just copy the US Redzone model that is wildly successful...and stop burying their heads in the sand over 3pm kick-offs that nobody, absolutely nobody, not at all, can see (now everybody has decent internet).TheScreamingEagles said:For the first time, entire rounds of Premier League matches will be shown live under the next UK broadcast deal, Telegraph Sport can reveal.
The games will be broadcast in midweek and on Bank Holidays. Saturday night matches will also be up for grabs, pitching live football against the likes of Strictly Come Dancing and The X Factor in the battle for a share of the massive and lucrative weekend audience.
The world’s richest league on Thursday night issued the tender document for the television rights to its fixtures for the 2019-22 seasons, a copy of which has been seen by Telegraph Sport.
It can be revealed that the league will make 200 of its 380 matches a year available, 42 more than at present, with three rounds of midweek and one of Bank Holiday games accounting for all but two of the additional fixtures.
The 2019 season will also herald the advent of regular Saturday night Premier League football, with eight matches per season on offer under a three-year contract in which clubs are targeting an increase in the eye-watering £5.14 billion they secured from Sky Sports and BT Sport for the existing rights.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/07/full-rounds-premier-league-games-shown-live-tv-first-time/0 -
Rather not...its still very cold in Canada then! Can we wait until the summer at least.Benpointer said:
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
It is a good article and it sums up my feelings too.nielh said:
Good article. Interesting statistic that the unionist parties get 49.5% of the vote in Northern Ireland, declining by 1.5% every ten years.williamglenn said:On topic, this was a good piece on Slugger O'Toole recently:
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/04/how-brexit-is-destroying-nis-centre-ground-and-could-take-the-union-with-it/
How brexit is destroying Northern Ireland’s centre ground – and could take the Union with it0 -
I am not sure that the temperature in Canada will be the prime consideration tbhFrancisUrquhart said:
Rather not...its still very cold in Canada then! Can we wait until the summer at least.Benpointer said:
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended. 0 -
It is for me.Benpointer said:
I am not sure that the temperature in Canada will be the prime consideration tbhFrancisUrquhart said:
Rather not...its still very cold in Canada then! Can we wait until the summer at least.Benpointer said:
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"0 -
Is Corbyn planning to tax CryptoKitties?FrancisUrquhart said:
It is for me.Benpointer said:
I am not sure that the temperature in Canada will be the prime consideration tbhFrancisUrquhart said:
Rather not...its still very cold in Canada then! Can we wait until the summer at least.Benpointer said:
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
Oh he can tax those bastards all he likes...101% tax rate on them.williamglenn said:
Is Corbyn planning to tax CryptoKitties?FrancisUrquhart said:
It is for me.Benpointer said:
I am not sure that the temperature in Canada will be the prime consideration tbhFrancisUrquhart said:
Rather not...its still very cold in Canada then! Can we wait until the summer at least.Benpointer said:
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
The Tories did about as well in June as in 1951 (318 out of 632 seats in GB compared to 312 out of 613) But, back then, their Unionist allies were very loyal, whereas now, they're ruthless opportunists.Benpointer said:
February GE anyone?Sean_F said:
No.Benpointer said:Slightly off topic, yet topical... Does anyone actually believe the DUP would bring down this government and let Corbyn's Labour in?
But, that wouldn't stop them from making the government's life miserable, by siding with the Opposition when they saw fit, if the C & S deal ended.0 -
https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border0 -
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.0 -
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border0 -
Sounds like a reasonable compromise. No doubt the EU wanted ECJ oversight to continue indefinitely.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border0 -
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life 0 -
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Apparently the Government have done an impact assessment on the chimes from ice cream vans. They really know what is important in 21st century Britain.0
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Compared to permanent oversight it is clearly a better optionBudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border0 -
Any betting on how long this deal will take to unravel?0
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Can you give a list of referendums you aren't afraid of, just for consistency's sake?RoyalBlue said:
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.
Catalonian Independence Y/N
Scottish Indy II Y/N
Brexit II Y/N0 -
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So on that basis, Leavers would be happy with another 10 years of FoM?RoyalBlue said:
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life0 -
No change there then...TheScreamingEagles said:
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The deal is a lot better than indefinite ECJ jurisdiction.BudG said:
So on that basis, Leavers would be happy with another 10 years of FoM?RoyalBlue said:
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life0 -
We might get a little hot under the collar, but whatever it takes...BudG said:
So on that basis, Leavers would be happy with another 10 years of FoM?RoyalBlue said:
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life0 -
No as it is mainly ECJ jurisdiction in relation to EU citizens already in UKBudG said:
So on that basis, Leavers would be happy with another 10 years of FoM?RoyalBlue said:
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life0 -
The reason we are in the EU in the first place was the arrogance of British politicians and bureaucrats who saw Europe as a replacement for the Empire and thought if only we could be in it we would naturally rule the whole thing. Ignorance and arrogance. Kind of sums up British Europhiles both then and now.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"0 -
None of those, provided they are held in accordance with the constitution in the first case and Acts of Parliament in the second and third.Theuniondivvie said:
Can you give a list of referendums you aren't afraid of, just for consistency's sake?RoyalBlue said:
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.
Catalonian Independence Y/N
Scottish Indy II Y/N
Brexit II Y/N
I would welcome a Scottish rematch. The area I campaigned in last time was 2-1 for the Union. Not that I'm taking credit 0 -
I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
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Can you please private message me the party line so we can be more coordinated?HYUFD said:
No as it is mainly ECJ jurisdiction in relation to EU citizens already in UKBudG said:
So on that basis, Leavers would be happy with another 10 years of FoM?RoyalBlue said:
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life
Thanks
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Isn't that the one that makes a lot of older apps unusable?FrancisUrquhart said:
Welcome to 2016....that has been available from other phone manufacturer for ages...TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks to iOS 11.2 I've been introduced to the joys of fast wireless charging.FrancisUrquhart said:
So it will be more like iOS updates ...TheScreamingEagles said:
Fast moving events these days.FrancisUrquhart said:What....yet another new thread....these change faster than the Bitcoin price.
Just imagine what life will be like when we move on to phase II of the Brexit talks.
It'll be like the Sunday 26th of June 2016 when I published six or seven threads in one day.
It is da bomb.0 -
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
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And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.0 -
And why would Labour do that? They don't trust the UK courts to decide things?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.0 -
Obviously your efforts on behalf of Brexit were sorely missed in Scotland.RoyalBlue said:
None of those, provided they are held in accordance with the constitution in the first case and Acts of Parliament in the second and third.Theuniondivvie said:
Can you give a list of referendums you aren't afraid of, just for consistency's sake?RoyalBlue said:
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.
Catalonian Independence Y/N
Scottish Indy II Y/N
Brexit II Y/N
I would welcome a Scottish rematch. The area I campaigned in last time was 2-1 for the Union. Not that I'm taking credit0 -
You think Corbyn wants ECJ jurisdiction over his nationalisation programme and exchange controls?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.
Bless your heart.0 -
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Yes. But what is the agreement? Until we know that how can it be a good night for her?HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
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To take us back into the single market, customs unions, and things like Euroatom, if Brexit turns out be an economic mistake.RobD said:
And why would Labour do that? They don't trust the UK courts to decide things?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.
If we're already under the auspices of the ECJ then it won't be such a big step.0 -
Oh, well naturally they'd have to get us under the ECJ if they wanted to do that. I thought you meant for the specific case of citizen rights.TheScreamingEagles said:
To take us back into the single market, customs unions, and things like Euroatom, if Brexit turns out be an economic mistake.RobD said:
And why would Labour do that? They don't trust the UK courts to decide things?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.
If we're already under the auspices of the ECJ then it won't be such a big step.0 -
What quote button didnt know there was oneTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.0
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Unlike puppies for Christmas, Corbyn isn't forever.RoyalBlue said:
You think Corbyn wants ECJ jurisdiction over his nationalisation programme and exchange controls?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.
Bless your heart.
Plus Labour's Brexit Secretary this week talked about remaining in the single market and customs union.0 -
After ten years they'll just be rounded up and kicked out.SouthamObserver said:Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.
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Will the Tories knife Theresa tomorrow?williamglenn said:0 -
Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously your efforts on behalf of Brexit were sorely missed in Scotland.RoyalBlue said:
None of those, provided they are held in accordance with the constitution in the first case and Acts of Parliament in the second and third.Theuniondivvie said:
Can you give a list of referendums you aren't afraid of, just for consistency's sake?RoyalBlue said:
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.
Catalonian Independence Y/N
Scottish Indy II Y/N
Brexit II Y/N
I would welcome a Scottish rematch. The area I campaigned in last time was 2-1 for the Union. Not that I'm taking credit
so it would seem...
If only I'd gone to Moray! At least the map wouldn't have been all Remain...
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The best salesmen only call the people who are ready to buy.RoyalBlue said:Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously your efforts on behalf of Brexit were sorely missed in Scotland.RoyalBlue said:
None of those, provided they are held in accordance with the constitution in the first case and Acts of Parliament in the second and third.Theuniondivvie said:
Can you give a list of referendums you aren't afraid of, just for consistency's sake?RoyalBlue said:
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.
Catalonian Independence Y/N
Scottish Indy II Y/N
Brexit II Y/N
I would welcome a Scottish rematch. The area I campaigned in last time was 2-1 for the Union. Not that I'm taking credit so it would seem...
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Neither is Brexit. Once we've formally left, the public be even more bored by the topic. There'll be headlines and excitement in 2021 when we leave the customs union and Single Market, but it won't last.TheScreamingEagles said:
Unlike puppies for Christmas, Corbyn isn't forever.RoyalBlue said:
You think Corbyn wants ECJ jurisdiction over his nationalisation programme and exchange controls?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.
Bless your heart.
Plus Labour's Brexit Secretary this week talked about remaining in the single market and customs union.
Neither party will want to major on Europe by the time we get to May 2022.0 -
North Devon, Newport: LD 390, Con 373, Green 159, Lab 83.0
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It’s a can kicked a long way down the road. It does open up the possibility of further and similar creativity once we get to Phase Two. That would be very good news, of course.RobD said:
After ten years they'll just be rounded up and kicked out.SouthamObserver said:Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.
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Funny way of doing it, by putting it in a treaty.SouthamObserver said:
It’s a can kicked a long way down the road. It does open up the possibility of further and similar creativity once we get to Phase Two. That would be very good news, of course.RobD said:
After ten years they'll just be rounded up and kicked out.SouthamObserver said:Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.
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The Tories won by 8% last time, and their candidate was already a town councillor. So another good win for the LibDems on the heels of last week's clean sweep.RoyalBlue said:
Commiserations to the Tory candidate. So close...slade said:North Devon, Newport: LD 390, Con 373, Green 159, Lab 83.
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CCHQ earpiece in the post!RoyalBlue said:
Can you please private message me the party line so we can be more coordinated?HYUFD said:
No as it is mainly ECJ jurisdiction in relation to EU citizens already in UKBudG said:
So on that basis, Leavers would be happy with another 10 years of FoM?RoyalBlue said:
We'll have been a member for 46 years by the time we leave, and we had a 6 or 7 year transition when we joined.BudG said:
Looks like another defeat to me. Is she REALLY going to agree to ECJ oversight for another ten years??HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border
It's a long sentence, but not for life
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As long as it ends FOM then fineSouthamObserver said:Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.
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Give tory support on here when lib dem narrow win and all the bloody Barnabys come out of the woodwork - lol0
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LAB Hold Highway (Enfield). No surprise there then.0
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Corbyn is not going to do that and allow free movement and annoy Labour Leavers and ECJ jurisdiction over nationalisation etc and he is likely to be around for up to a decadeTheScreamingEagles said:
Unlike puppies for Christmas, Corbyn isn't forever.RoyalBlue said:
You think Corbyn wants ECJ jurisdiction over his nationalisation programme and exchange controls?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the EU wont be willing to extend the ECJ's jurisdiction in the UK via a new treaty?RoyalBlue said:
It will be in the secession treaty. Good luck amending that.TheScreamingEagles said:I find it touching that people think a future Labour government wont extend the ECJ jurisdiction past 2019.
Good night.
Bless.
Bless your heart.
Plus Labour's Brexit Secretary this week talked about remaining in the single market and customs union.0 -
Good night and nos da to all. I hope to awake to news of real progress.
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Glasgow, not too roughly.RoyalBlue said:Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously your efforts on behalf of Brexit were sorely missed in Scotland.RoyalBlue said:
None of those, provided they are held in accordance with the constitution in the first case and Acts of Parliament in the second and third.Theuniondivvie said:
Can you give a list of referendums you aren't afraid of, just for consistency's sake?RoyalBlue said:
The only people I've heard go on about the Empire are Remainers, not Leavers. Not a single person brought it up on the doorstep during the campaign. As for having ambition for the country, it is infinitely preferable to learned helplessness.Beverley_C said:https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/07/brexit-and-the-british-empire/
"The rhetoric of Brexit, the vague exhortations to “take back control” and similar sentiments seems to contain within them a hope for Empire 2.0. Opponents or those who simply raise practical concerns are often told off for “talking Britain down”, reminded that Britain once ruled much of the world and can certainly make a success of their new freedom to negotiate trade deals with anyone in the world. This is the Britain of the British East India Company, after all! Who needs experts?"
I am not afraid of a border poll in Ulster. More Catholics would vote for the Union than Protestants for the Republic.
Catalonian Independence Y/N
Scottish Indy II Y/N
Brexit II Y/N
I would welcome a Scottish rematch. The area I campaigned in last time was 2-1 for the Union. Not that I'm taking credit so it would seem...
If only I'd gone to Moray! At least the map wouldn't have been all Remain...
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Not if it does so in name only.HYUFD said:
As long as it ends FOM then fineSouthamObserver said:Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.
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How do you end it in name only?SouthamObserver said:
Not if it does so in name only.HYUFD said:
As long as it ends FOM then fineSouthamObserver said:Bottom line in any deal Mrs May gets - it delivers what the EU27 want. As they want ongoing, guaranteed protection for EU citizens currently resident in the UK based on the rights they currently enjoy that’s what there will be.
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FPT
I believe the cordon sanitaire you are describing is more usually known as a "safe space", and the activity you are engaged in as "no platforming". Such things are usually deprecated on PB.RoyalBlue said:Ladies and gentlemen - can I suggest a cordon sanitaire around Mr Meeks?
This thread abundantly shows that he is experiencing Brexit as some kind of terrible personal cataclysm. There is no other reasonable explanation for the sheer volume and intensity of the bile and hatred he spews, not just at 17.4 million of his compatriots, but at well-intentioned people on PB who have spent hours trying to engage with him. All he offers in return is poison.
There is nothing to be gained by engaging with him.0 -
What's a "Barnaby"?Tykejohnno said:Give tory support on here when lib dem narrow win and all the bloody Barnabys come out of the woodwork - lol
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Agreed. Let us hope it continues.HYUFD said:https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/938894179199045633
Looks a good night for Theresa May, DUP inching towards agreement with the UK, Irish Government and the EU on the Irish border0
