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Why would former policemen leak details of an investigation that didn’t result in a prosecution (never mind a conviction), which took place nine years ago and where the details were incidental to the alleged act being investigated?
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Yet he appears to have been dishonest.
And the argument that we need have no standards because it's "their business" and they are subject to election is absurd - particularly given our voting system with so many MPs well sheltered from normal electoral pressure.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42202191
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/dec/01/southampton-says-post-brexit-strategy-justifies-university-vcs-pay-of-433000
During "World News Tonight," ABC News investigative reporter Brian Ross said the source who had provided the initial information for his story later told him that it was as president-elect, not as a candidate, that Trump asked Flynn to contact the Russians.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/01/media/abc-news-flynn-correction/index.html
I believe there is a term for this....
Part of the memo focuses on targets that the LA ICE office believes to be of interest to DJI. "DJI's criteria for selecting accounts to target appears to focus on the account holder's ability to disrupt critical infrastructure," it said. The memo goes on to say that DJI is particularly interested in infrastructure like railroads and utilities, companies that provide drinking water as well as weapon storage facilities. The LA ICE office concludes that it, "assesses with high confidence the critical infrastructure and law enforcement entities using DJI systems are collecting sensitive intelligence that the Chinese government could use to conduct physical or cyber attacks against the United States and its population."
https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/30/homeland-security-claims-dji-drones-spying-china/
Martin Schulz, the leader of the rival Social Democrats (SPD), told an interview with Spiegel magazine he would insist on deeper integration as a condition of joining any new government under Mrs Merkel.
In particular, he said he would demand German support for Emmanuel Macron’s proposals for a Brussels-based finance minister and single budget for the Eurozone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/01/merkel-faces-demand-eu-integration-price-end-government-crisis/
Regardless of what Green got up to (and I can't imagine why you'd want to watch porn in the office.... surely a bit... messy?) these allegations shouldn't be ignored
We have a gross breach of trust and possible criminality by (former) members of the police for either personal revenge or political objectives. That is unacceptable and the authorities should come down on them like a ton of bricks
That ex-police have behaved in a way which is, on any objective basis, startling will be forgotten. Is it a police culture-thing or is it a one-off? One hopes the latter, one suspects the former.
I know DD has said he will retire post Brexit, but once a politician starts showing a willingness and ability to protect his own that's a very interesting development
I suspect their might be more public sympathy for him than you suspect. The evidence against him (had he been an employee) would probably not have be accepted by an employment tribunal given that it is both tainted and a decade old. There was no victim in his case - and I think one must add that almost everyone lies about sex at some time.
So far little noted has been David Davis' threat to resign if Green is sacked.
It was Davis saying he'd bring the government down if May sacked Green.
That's the emergence of a new faction
Why has Lewis surfaced now?
Someone is pulling strings somewhere.
This is a pretty trenchant defense of Green (notably published in the Guardian):
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/01/damian-green-vendetta-police
I have to say when I heard the plod talking about the computer use, I did think that sounds much more like the sort of activity one would see from a researcher / assistant than a member of the shadow cabinet.
It's now well over an innings since an English bowler took a wicket....and our spinner is playing injured.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42205181
There are so many concerns in this case, starting from a weird political raid on offices in Westminster that should not have happened, simply to root out somebody in the opposition embarrassing the Governing Party. It goes through the subsequent grudge held by a senior member of that raid - for nearly a decade. It covers materials that, by all we can glean broke no law. But they would allegedly lead some police to feel let down that a public official was not holding to the highest possible decency requirements. An elected official. Who, despite best efforts to end their career, became a member of the Government. Well, that won't do. Won't do at all. We must take steps....
...to drag up the matter again with the media. When a media campaign which had suggested there were dozens of sexual predator MPs who were going to have to resign their seats looked greatly overblown and ran out of steam. But...but...but PORN! On a computer! In Westminster!
And it leads us right up to yesterday's grotesque parody of investigative journalism on 5Live, when somebody is asked questions live on air to help to end Green's career. Questions which, under any form of natural justice, should have been restricted to being asked by a criminal barrister in a court of law - and with the defendant's criminal barrister having a right to put a raft of issues raised through rigorous cross-examination.
If any member of the media had had to endure what green has endured, they would have had the benefit of a Panorama Special, to show how wretched the system was. But just imagine if Plod turned up at the Panorama offices because they had been doing an investigation that embarrassed the Government, took away their computers and found porn on them..... oh the outrage! I mean, we pay their wages through the tax of the Licence Fee. So all of it is admissable, Sir....
I don't get the shock factor that those pushing this "revelation" think it is.
It was a while after the ‘Green Affair” and from the BBC report doesn’t sound as thoiugh there was any connection in people’s minds.
Until we reset our values and stop this guilty until proved innoceent in anything relating to inter personal relationships episodes like Damien Green will happen repeatedly.
....Or perhaps this'll be the turning point we desperately need
Spot on, Mr. Herdson.
I share some of the doubts about the behaviour of the police - in particular retaining the notes after leaving the Force and the readiness to go public. At the moment I'm not sure about the facts, and think that the Cabinet Office should be left to conclude their investigation without pressure from the public or others. If they found that the allegations were true, I do think it's a resignable matter, not so much because of the porn but because of the virulent attack on Quick and the flat denial. I don't agree that lying about it via a personal attack would have been justified. But that's just my personal view - not sure the public, who barely know who any of these people are, feel strongly one way or the other.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42199674
Still possible, but not the slam dunk Williams was hoping for.
Next.
Massa gave them an extra year, is past his best and was happy to retire.
Stroll brings something like £20m a year with him, so is an automatic choice.
Martini also bring £20m or thereabouts, and require a driver over 25 due to drink industry rules on using young people to promote their products.
Stroll is only 19, and other hopefuls Sergei Serotkin and Daniil Kvyat are also too young.
Robert Kubica is old enough, and would be a fairytale comeback but there’s doubts about his physical stamina over a season and a contractual problem to sort out over a seven-figure insurance payout he got after his injury (on the basis that he was permenantly unable to be an F1 driver).
That leaves my favourite for the job. Paul DiResta, current test driver who knows the team well, and is old enough and fit enough.
Anger at them does not mean what he did is right, if it’s true, but it is irrelevant to justifying their actions.
The Guardian (whatever one might think of the mildly ridiculous Toynbee et al) is an excellent publication. Granted it's a comment piece by a Tory MP, but notable that they published it.
Edited extra bit: not that I can see, alas.
Had reasonable success with such markets in the past but they don't go up very often.
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
His odds of 16 or so remain oddly long. Hamilton's favourite to win the title, so his team mate being top 3, whilst not certain, is highly probable. The last time there was a major disparity, I think, between title-winner and team mate was Hamilton and Kovalainen[sp], and Bottas is a better driver than his countryman.
Serving officers lying about a meeting with an MP and only being caught out because he recorded the meeting should have resulted in dismissals and prosecutions. That they did not is equally as bad as the original crime.
No white hats and black hats here.
If they are willing to fit up a powerful person over something so trivial, mind boggles when it comes to random members of the public. Back to the days of the west midlands serious crime squad.