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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    Did we get any in swimming?

    You're so behind the times, it's rowing, cycling, horses etc. In 2008 nearly half our medals came from private schools. It's a bit like the Labour front bench.
  • JohnO said:

    Markit said domestic building activity was its fastest in 10 years

    I know.

  • You're so behind the times, it's rowing, cycling, horses etc. In 2008 nearly half our medals came from private schools. It's a bit like the Labour front bench.

    I thought there'd been an Olympics since 2008. I am also happy to accept that private schools are going to provide the majority of medallists in sports where equipment is expensive and competition is restricted.

  • Financier said:

    TSE

    Educated at an excellent Grammar School which was full of inspirational teachers and had an ex-Harrovian master as Head and so it was run on public school lines. Prefects were in charge of school discipline (under the eye of the deputy head) and so receved excellent experience in 'man-management'.

    I was also educated at grammar school and I moved out to Bucks so my girls would have that opportunity if they passed the 11-plus
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Jonathan said:

    "What went wrong in UK education?"

    When privately educated folk (in any party), tried to "fix" state schools by making them more like private institutions.

    They are different. They have different strengths. Public schoolboys generally don't have the experience to understand that.



    Like Ed Balls?

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Like Ed Balls?

    Applies to the whole lot of them.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,871

    I am sure it happened. I just don't know when. You said it was 18 months ago - so in 2012. And as I said back then, at the same time as these PISA tests were being taken, "It will take time for improvements in primary literacy and numeracy to feed through to the seconday level and beyond." I stand by that.

    How long before you think we will see these alleged improvements? And if they don't happen, will you be blaming this government for them not happening?

    Labour utterly failed a generation of our children.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756

    I thought there'd been an Olympics since 2008. I am also happy to accept that private schools are going to provide the majority of medallists in sports where equipment is expensive and competition is restricted.

    similar outcome, but then you'd witter on about Tory unfairness. 2008 - what could be fairer than a team formed after 10 years of Tony ?
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916

    I was also educated at grammar school and I moved out to Bucks so my girls would have that opportunity if they passed the 11-plus
    Both my sons were educated at RGS High Wycombe (excellent school and full of aspiration for its pupils) and daughter at Beaconsfield HS - as that is where we lived - good commuter territory and near Heathrow.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    Jonathan said:

    Applies to the whole lot of them.

    Sort of condemns Tristram Hunt then.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Jonathan said:

    Applies to the whole lot of them.

    Ah, so you're happy to blame Blair too?

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Oh lordy, you're splitting hairs between "exchange" and "conversation" now? You are being absolutely ludicrous.

    And I don't say it happened; it happened. Don't imply I'm making it up - that was a direct quote from you. Unless you're calling me a liar who made up the quote?

    It's probably best if we let others decide. I stand by my statements.
    He is the worst on the site for never admitting to being wrong, or apologising for making stuff up, even when its there for all to see

    Take the hair splitting as the best confirmation you are going to get that you are right and he is wrong
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    Total number of people on Universal Credit is....

    2000.

    And who said IDS was thick?
    Oh yes, Osborne

    Another static data point - you really have got nothing to work with these days.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited December 2013

    Was 2007 10 years ago?

    Maybe the Guardian will help clear the pea-souper in your cranium.



    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/dec/03/uk-construction-recovery-nikkei-high-live
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Robert Peston's take on PISA

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25198153

    "The top of the league table is dominated by Asia, and China in particular: Shanghai, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taipei, Korea, Macao and Japan, in that order.

    Which means that the gap between per capita wealth in the rich West and in the developing economies of the East will continue to narrow, all other things being equal, given the link between prosperity and education.

    The gap between the mean maths attainment of Shanghai adolescents and British ones is a particularly stunning 24%. That's almost as unbridgeable a gap as between Barcelona FC and AFC Wimbledon in football.

    And what is perhaps even more shattering, low achievers in maths represent just 3.8% of Shanghai's total, compared with an OECD average of 23% and 22% in the UK.

    A couple of years ago, I spent some time with a Shanghai family, when making my documentary series "How the West Went Bust". The girl student in that family would put almost any western student to shame, with her industry and application.

    Or to put it another way, these differential outcomes between places like the UK and Shanghai are not just about the structure and resources of schools, but also about national culture and family values. This Chinese family not only created a study-conducive atmosphere in their small apartment, but were saving a huge share of a small income so that their child could afford to go to the best university.

    So if the UK wants to secure a rosier economic future, as much of the necessary work to raise education standards may well have to take place in the home as in the school."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756
    TGOHF said:

    Another static data point - you really have got nothing to work with these days.

    I'm afraid Ed's policy sheet is still whiter than a Ku Klux Klann gathering.
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  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited December 2013

    I thought there'd been an Olympics since 2008. I am also happy to accept that private schools are going to provide the majority of medallists in sports where equipment is expensive and competition is restricted.

    A public schoolboy won the the first Gold medal for Team GB at London 2012. Peter Wilson, a clay pigeon shooter, was an Old Millfeldian and farmer's son.

    You would have thought that a gang-ridden, bog-standard, inner city comprehensive might have stood a better chance of producing a shooting medallist.

    Yet, even provided with the right material, the State School systems failed.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Yes, absolutely! Labour manipulated data, on education and otherwise right from the start.
  • Marshall McLuhan said the medium is the message.

    Meaning that the type of medium influences what message is perceived by the receiver. Different media project different messages with the same content.

    Content on TV is likely to have more impact than the same content in the press. What we don't know is the impact Twitter and Facebook messages have compared with TV or print. How authoritive are Twitter and Facebook messages? How gullible are those who receive the messages by different media forms?

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