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A new US poll by Public Policy Polling finds record level of support for the President to be impeached. Now 49% say he should with 41% saying he shouldn’t.
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The Great Polariser indeed.0
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How many games can United win while playing utter shite?0
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Anyway on topic the conclusion that Russia wanted Hillary to win takes fake news to a new level. The latest estimate I saw was that there was something like $75m of spending on social media in support of Trump. Did they not notice?0
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Just lazy and un United like - but they keep winningDavidL said:How many games can United win while playing utter shite?
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To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
Emperor Trump has the finest, most delicate suit of clothes. Only a fool would not see them!0 -
They have a good defence but without Pogba the midfield really lacks creativity and power. But they keep winning.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just lazy and un United like - but they keep winningDavidL said:How many games can United win while playing utter shite?
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I absolutely agree, although surprising numbers disagree on the first. Not that cheating is moral behaviour, so I'm not surprised some think it relevant, but I am surprised at how many and how strongly feel that way.The_Apocalypse said:We don’t need to know about affairs, or sexual preferences. Those should be private matters.
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There may be a USA polarisation over Trump, but fortunately the constitutional framers were careful. Still, Trump would, I feel, be better knotted up in a corner somewhere obscure.0
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Chelsea have a Kante shaped hole in the middle.DavidL said:
They have a good defence but without Pogba the midfield really lacks creativity and power. But they keep winning.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just lazy and un United like - but they keep winningDavidL said:How many games can United win while playing utter shite?
As a Fox, I know how that feels.0 -
Impressive that 57% of Repub respondents want Trump to be 2020 nominee.
Also: Big round of applause for Congress:
82% disapproval among Trump voters, 76% among Clinton voters, 77% overall (other voters and non-voters 64%)
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Agreed. My money is still on him completing his first term. If he gets impeached it will be in the second term like Nixon and Clinton. It just takes that long for the momentum to build.Toms said:There may be a USA polarisation over Trump, but fortunately the constitutional framers were careful. Still, Trump would, I feel, be better knotted up in a corner somewhere obscure.
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The Russians damaged Clinton's campaign so much that she... won the popular vote?foxinsoxuk said:To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
Emperor Trump has the finest, most delicate suit of clothes. Only a fool would not see them!0 -
What would they care when there's such a high incumbency factor (assuming they are not primaried)?Freggles said:Impressive that 57% of Repub respondents want Trump to be 2020 nominee.
Also: Big round of applause for Congress:
82% disapproval among Trump voters, 76% among Clinton voters, 77% overall (other voters and non-voters 64%)0 -
People believe what they want to be true. There is a core of people who are emotionally committed to Trump, and therefore engage in extraordinary mental gymnastics to maintain their views on him.foxinsoxuk said:To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
Emperor Trump has the finest, most delicate suit of clothes. Only a fool would not see them!
As it happens, I don't believe Donald Trump conspired with the Russian government. It seems extraordinarily unlikely that a man whose campaign was based around long, rambling and incoherent speeches, combined with a bunch of undeliverable promises engaged in a conspiracy with a foreign power. Some of the people who worked for him, mind, may have been a little too keen to get information to help their candidate.
Back to cognitive dissonance: this is all about the slow drip, drip of information. It's death by a thousand cuts.0 -
Is the suspect the only person in America without access to a real gun?0
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If you only beat Donald Trump narrowly, that means you lost heavily.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Russians damaged Clinton's campaign so much that she... won the popular vote?foxinsoxuk said:To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
Emperor Trump has the finest, most delicate suit of clothes. Only a fool would not see them!0 -
My guess is that, one year in, just 57% of your own party wanting you to be the nominee is pretty poor polling.Freggles said:Impressive that 57% of Repub respondents want Trump to be 2020 nominee.
Also: Big round of applause for Congress:
82% disapproval among Trump voters, 76% among Clinton voters, 77% overall (other voters and non-voters 64%)0 -
BBC news reporting that the attacker in New York was of central Asian descent who came to America in 2010 . though it seems he was a lone wolf according to NY Mayor Bill di Blasio.0
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Even more Trump voters disapprove of the GOP Congress than Clinton voters do, the GOP are going to be trounced in the midterms next year on those numbers.Freggles said:Impressive that 57% of Repub respondents want Trump to be 2020 nominee.
Also: Big round of applause for Congress:
82% disapproval among Trump voters, 76% among Clinton voters, 77% overall (other voters and non-voters 64%)0 -
I agree. I think Trump is to incoherent to conspire, but as an easily manipulated man child, he was ripe for targetting by Putin.rcs1000 said:
People believe what they want to be true. There is a core of people who are emotionally committed to Trump, and therefore engage in extraordinary mental gymnastics to maintain their views on him.foxinsoxuk said:To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
Emperor Trump has the finest, most delicate suit of clothes. Only a fool would not see them!
As it happens, I don't believe Donald Trump conspired with the Russian government. It seems extraordinarily unlikely that a man whose campaign was based around long, rambling and incoherent speeches, combined with a bunch of undeliverable promises engaged in a conspiracy with a foreign power. Some of the people who worked for him, mind, may have been a little too keen to get information to help their candidate.
Back to cognitive dissonance: this is all about the slow drip, drip of information. It's death by a thousand cuts.
The cognitive dissonance comes from remembering Russia as a Communist enemy, when it is now an alt.right friend. Times have changed.0 -
That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....0
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Well thanks to California. But winning the popular vote doesn't count for much in the US or here as Mrs May found. You actually need to win under the rules in place. Maybe if she had visited Michigsn or Wisconsin a bit more than LA and San Francisco she might be President now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Russians damaged Clinton's campaign so much that she... won the popular vote?foxinsoxuk said:To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
Emperor Trump has the finest, most delicate suit of clothes. Only a fool would not see them!0 -
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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The BBC - last with breaking news!HYUFD said:BBC news reporting that the attacker in New York was of central Asian descent who came to America in 2010 . though it seems he was a lone wolf according to NY Mayor Bill di Blasio.
Sayfullo Saipov (from Uzbekistan and lately Tampa FL) is apparently his name.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/10/new_york_terror_attack_alleged_killer_sayfullo_sai.html0 -
Locally known as Dave?brendan16 said:
The BBC - last with breaking news!HYUFD said:BBC news reporting that the attacker in New York was of central Asian descent who came to America in 2010 . though it seems he was a lone wolf according to NY Mayor Bill di Blasio.
Sayfullo Saipaz from Uzbekistan is apparently his name.0 -
Has the unredacted list appeared in print? I've got a photo of the uncensored version. Had to re-read some of them. Wow...0
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How long can that Un-United tag keep going...their level of football has been pedestrian to say the least for a number of years now....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just lazy and un United like - but they keep winningDavidL said:How many games can United win while playing utter shite?
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But, watersports?kle4 said:
I absolutely agree, although surprising numbers disagree on the first. Not that cheating is moral behaviour, so I'm not surprised some think it relevant, but I am surprised at how many and how strongly feel that way.The_Apocalypse said:We don’t need to know about affairs, or sexual preferences. Those should be private matters.
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I think the details have only come out in the last half an hour or so but seems it was terror related but a lone wolf attack.brendan16 said:
The BBC - last with breaking news!HYUFD said:BBC news reporting that the attacker in New York was of central Asian descent who came to America in 2010 . though it seems he was a lone wolf according to NY Mayor Bill di Blasio.
Sayfullo Saipov from Uzbekistan is apparently his name.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/10/new_york_terror_attack_alleged_killer_sayfullo_sai.html0 -
Let's keep speculation down to a minimum. Only post something if you have a link to a reputable news source/outlet to go with it.0
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So the Russians secretly told her not to visit MI or WI or something?brendan16 said:
Well thanks to California. But winning the popular vote doesn't count for much in the US or here as Mrs May found. You actually need to win under the rules in place. Maybe if she had visited Michigsn or Wisconsin a bit more than LA and San Francisco she might be President now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Russians damaged Clinton's campaign so much that she... won the popular vote?foxinsoxuk said:To summarise:
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/924292066884182018
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Journalists on Twitter are bemoaning the fact they have to worry about libel. Unlike Twitter apparentlyRochdalePioneers said:Has the unredacted list appeared in print? I've got a photo of the uncensored version. Had to re-read some of them. Wow...
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The full list has been published in the US and the Mail now has named more names, Damian Green, Robert Halfon, Jake Berry, Mark Menzies and Justin Tomlinson and Steve Double added to Mark Garnier and Stephen CrabbRochdalePioneers said:Has the unredacted list appeared in print? I've got a photo of the uncensored version. Had to re-read some of them. Wow...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5034799/Fresh-allegations-swirl-sex-Westminster.html0 -
It appears that Nottinghamshire police have said there is no evidence to prosecute Jason Zadrozny for child sexual offences. He came within 200 votes of winning Ashfield for the Lib Dems in 2010 but had to step down after the accusations were made. He has since been elected to the county council as an independent. He always denied the allegations and said they were politically motivated. I expect legal repercussions.0
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Some of the names on the list seem unfair - people who have had consensual affairs for example. Its the "inappropriate behaviour with male/female researchers" and "handsy" that are wrong. And its not party political as today's Labour rape allegation demonstrates.
It appears to be men with delusions of power choosing to exercise their "power" over "subordinate" men and women in a sexual manner. Because its not about sex, its power. I am being "handsy" because I am more important than you and can do what I like. Its pathetic.0 -
Has President Trumpskovic figured out what the hell is going on yet?0
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The Mirror even has an everything we know about him article - and all the US networks are reporting it.PBModerator said:Let's keep speculation down to a minimum. Only post something if you have a link to a reputable news source/outlet to go with it.
The BBC isn't the only reputable news source.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/everything-know-new-york-terror-11444679
Newsweek too
http://www.newsweek.com/who-sayfullo-saipov-new-york-terror-suspect-6980560 -
Don't worry. I'm not quoting names.PBModerator said:Let's keep speculation down to a minimum. Only post something if you have a link to a reputable news source/outlet to go with it.
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None of my business what some people enjoy so long as no laws are being broken. If we are to decide certain kinks are the sort of thing we don't want people to do if they are to represent us, we may as well make them illegal and be done with it.Sean_F said:
But, watersports?kle4 said:
I absolutely agree, although surprising numbers disagree on the first. Not that cheating is moral behaviour, so I'm not surprised some think it relevant, but I am surprised at how many and how strongly feel that way.The_Apocalypse said:We don’t need to know about affairs, or sexual preferences. Those should be private matters.
Now, the questions remains that if I know someone is into some things that squick me out, would I really discount that when deciding how to cast my vote, or would I psychologically justify voting for someone else even as my discomfort is the real factor? I'd hope not, but as Trump and supporters show, mental gymnastics are easy.0 -
My apologies, I was referring to speculation regarding a hypothetical list of persons that may or may not exist.brendan16 said:
The Mirror even has an everything we know about him article - and all the US networks are reporting it.PBModerator said:Let's keep speculation down to a minimum. Only post something if you have a link to a reputable news source/outlet to go with it.
The BBC isn't the only reputable news source.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/everything-know-new-york-terror-114446790 -
I don't think he has figured out what is going on in his own team yet, let alone the country.bigjohnowls said:Has President Trumpskovic figured out what the hell is going on yet?
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True story (and just for TSE!) - outside the loos at the Rose Garden in Regent's Park, London is a bed of roses of a variety named "Golden Showers"Sean_F said:
But, watersports?kle4 said:
I absolutely agree, although surprising numbers disagree on the first. Not that cheating is moral behaviour, so I'm not surprised some think it relevant, but I am surprised at how many and how strongly feel that way.The_Apocalypse said:We don’t need to know about affairs, or sexual preferences. Those should be private matters.
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DO SOMETHING!!foxinsoxuk said:
I don't think he has figured out what is going on in his own team yet, let alone the country.bigjohnowls said:Has President Trumpskovic figured out what the hell is going on yet?
(That tweet of his, which I took as his own internal stage direction, has really tickled me, as memes go)0 -
I have no problem with MPs having affairs or "odd sexual ponchants" or "uses prostitutes for odd sexual acts" or "urinating on him". Whatever. Your private business as long as you aren't openly hypocritical. MPs are entitled to a private life and to be as "deviant" as they like (who defines what is sexually deviant anyway?) as long as its consensual. So you can take about a third of the list off for all I care. The rest though is worrying - as is the wider attitude problem that guys think they are king shit and start doing what they like to whomever they like.Sean_F said:
But, watersports?kle4 said:
I absolutely agree, although surprising numbers disagree on the first. Not that cheating is moral behaviour, so I'm not surprised some think it relevant, but I am surprised at how many and how strongly feel that way.The_Apocalypse said:We don’t need to know about affairs, or sexual preferences. Those should be private matters.
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Unfortunate name.Sunil_Prasannan said:
True story (and just for TSE!) - outside the loos at the Rose Garden in Regent's Park, London is a bed of roses of a variety named "Golden Showers"Sean_F said:
But, watersports?kle4 said:
I absolutely agree, although surprising numbers disagree on the first. Not that cheating is moral behaviour, so I'm not surprised some think it relevant, but I am surprised at how many and how strongly feel that way.The_Apocalypse said:We don’t need to know about affairs, or sexual preferences. Those should be private matters.
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I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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Why accident, did you intend to be at the Oval?tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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Having done a urology job, I have seen plenty of willies and oceans of pee. The fun of watersorts passes me by though.tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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I presume you weren't in the nude though while he was doing it? Though whatever floats your boat!tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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I've heard they have many unusual traditions at the Home of Cricket, in fairness.HYUFD said:
I presume you weren't in the nude though while he was doing it? Though whatever floats your boat!tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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Who knows what really goes on in the exclusive MCC sectionkle4 said:
I've heard they have many unusual traditions at the Home of Cricket, in fairness.HYUFD said:
I presume you weren't in the nude though while he was doing it? Though whatever floats your boat!tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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Has there ever been a Parliament or Cabinet which hasn't had stories/incidents of sex, powerful men, willing and unwilling partners?0
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foxinsoxuk said:
Having done a urology job, I have seen plenty of willies and oceans of pee. The fun of watersorts passes me by though.tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
I have to say as well anything to do with a human being's back passage and sex is pretty damn revolting with a capital R and plenty of olting...eogh....I personally think waterports is most possibly a step up in relation to erotism...that is not really saying much mind...0 -
I really don't see what it has to do with Mrs May that Damian Green cannot keep his hands to himself?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Just as long as there isn't a 'back to basics' drive....HYUFD said:
I really don't see what it has to do with Mrs May that Damian Green cannot keep his hands to himself?TheScreamingEagles said:witter.com/TSEofPB/status/925494114489073664
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It doesn't, but he's one of her staunchest supporters, if he's forced to resign in disgrace, then it weakens her already parlous position.HYUFD said:
I really don't see what it has to do with Mrs May that Damian Green cannot keep his hands to himself?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I don't think there has been, she may be the daughter of a vicar but she has sent messages to gay pride, supported transgender rights etcRobD said:
Just as long as there isn't a 'back to basics' drive....HYUFD said:
I really don't see what it has to do with Mrs May that Damian Green cannot keep his hands to himself?TheScreamingEagles said:witter.com/TSEofPB/status/925494114489073664
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Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I'd call it low level, but unlike Julia Hartley-Brewer, Kate Maltby isn't happy.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Kate Maltby: Damian Green, you probably have no idea how awkward I felt
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kate-maltby-damian-green-you-probably-have-no-idea-how-awkward-i-felt-j2kk88frj0 -
She is still going before the next general election anyway, she is just still there to see us through Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:
It doesn't, but he's one of her staunchest supporters, if he's forced to resign in disgrace, then it weakens her already parlous position.HYUFD said:
I really don't see what it has to do with Mrs May that Damian Green cannot keep his hands to himself?TheScreamingEagles said:
Robert Halfon who is a big May critic is also named by the Mail tonight as being on the list so it hits both her allies and her foes.0 -
That doesn't seem very serious, although one naturally laughs at a 61 year old man who thinks he's a sex god pursuing a 31 year old woman.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If there are two things I never thought I would read in the same sentence it is 'Damian Green' and 'sex god'.Sean_F said:
That doesn't seem very serious, although one naturally laughs at a 61 year old man who thinks he's a sex god pursuing a 31 year old woman.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I don't see the harm in older men asking younger women out on a date, providing they respect them when/if they say no. The big problem is that the younger journalist may feel obliged to say yes because otherwise the minister (or whoever) may deny access for stories etc., harming her career.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd call it low level, but unlike Julia Hartley-Brewer, Kate Maltby isn't happy.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Kate Maltby: Damian Green, you probably have no idea how awkward I felt
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kate-maltby-damian-green-you-probably-have-no-idea-how-awkward-i-felt-j2kk88frj0 -
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
Fortunately, none of the MP's named favours hardsports.foxinsoxuk said:
Having done a urology job, I have seen plenty of willies and oceans of pee. The fun of watersorts passes me by though.tyson said:
I once had some old boy pee right down my leg at a urinal at Lords....these things sometimes can be quite accidentalHYUFD said:
Indeed, video exists of 1 Tory MP having 3 males urinating on him apparently, the mind bogglesRochdalePioneers said:That list. Some things cannot be unseen. Ewww....
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That strikes me as a really simplistic suggestion with a completely misdirected focus with very little basis. For starters, if someone marries the first girl they fuck who cares, and second, is there a basis besides that innuendo that public school educated people are more likely to be inclined to mistreat women? Thirdly, why would politics attract socially inadequate men? Some clearly make it through, but I'd have thought a lot of people have to be quite good socially to make the kind of connections they need, persuade parties and voters to back them and so on.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
I went to a state school, since it apparently matters.0 -
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
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Politics is life, for ugly people.0
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I spend evenings with the good folks of PB. I'm prepared for anything.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
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So, to be clear, a woman journalist in her late twenties posing in a corset for a photo published in the Times is beyond reproach, but a friend making a light-hearted reference to seeing the photo is not?
OK... I think I'm getting the hang of this new prudery malarkey.0 -
@faisalislam: Labour will use Opposition Day to put what it says is a binding vote forcing DEXEU to release 58 Brexit impact studies to Commons Committee
@faisalislam: ..Starmer will use ancient procedure called a “Motion for Unopposed Returns” via a “humble address to Her Majesty” to get the impact studies0 -
We don't know most of them on a personal basis by which to make any kind of comparison, do you? I've been told by someone that Peter Mandelson, to pick a random example, is extremely clever and very charming, and by another person that Boris Johnson is an oaf, but I don't know if either of those things is true, and it's rare with most MPs that we'd have as much an indication as we would with those two, who are quite famous.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect the truth is more likely that most MPs are pretty ordinary, or boring as you list it, which is hardly a character flaw.
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We're all Puritans now Richard.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, a woman journalist in her late twenties posing in a corset for a photo published in the Times is beyond reproach, but a friend making a light-hearted reference to seeing the photo is not?
OK... I think I'm getting the hang of this new prudery malarkey.
The Department for the Moral Hygiene of the country will be set up shortly.0 -
Where's @kle4 and his copy of Erskine May?Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Labour will use Opposition Day to put what it says is a binding vote forcing DEXEU to release 58 Brexit impact studies to Commons Committee
@faisalislam: ..Starmer will use ancient procedure called a “Motion for Unopposed Returns” via a “humble address to Her Majesty” to get the impact studies
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Much the same could be said about many on the Labour side who have matched that description, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Robin Cook, Tom Watson etc.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
kle4 said:
That strikes me as a really simplistic suggestion with a completely misdirected focus with very little basis. For starters, if someone marries the first girl they fuck who cares, and second, is there a basis besides that innuendo that public school educated people are more likely to be inclined to mistreat women? Thirdly, why would politics attract socially inadequate men? Some clearly make it through, but I'd have thought a lot of people have to be quite good socially to make the kind of connections they need, persuade parties and voters to back them and so on.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
I went to a state school, since it apparently matters.
Politics attracts odd people...full stop. It's the name of the game.
On public schools...no I am not saying they are more likely to mistreat women, what I am saying is that they are more likely to view women as sexual objects. And being segregated by gender, you get more desperate, and more likely to fall madly in love with your first shag....0 -
From Hansard:
(ii) "Unopposed Returns"—Governments may also lay papers by an older procedure: by moving a motion in the House for the "unopposed return" of the document they wish to lay before the House and be printed on its authority. The large number of papers now required to be laid by statute, combined with the more frequent use of "Command Papers" might have been expected to make this procedure obsolete. It has survived very largely[86] because of uncertainty over the extent to which Command Papers have absolute privilege. The procedure of an "unopposed" return was introduced originally to avoid the inconvenience of the House of having formally to consider motions by ministers for returns of largely uncontroversial information from their own Departments. It is now used by ministers almost exclusively in order to ensure that a report of a ministerial inquiry will not be subject to actions for defamation. Use of the procedure is infrequent. It is not popular with Departments since it involves three stages: a motion for the return in the name of the minister must be tabled (like any other motion) on a sitting day, moved (like any other motion) on a sitting day, and the return made (by publication of the report) on a sitting day. Most typically the report is of such moment that it is published on the day on which the motion is moved (though this is not essential) and the Minister will make a statement upon it to the House at 3.30 pm. Although other Members cannot oppose the motion, the procedure ensures that Members receive clear notice of presentation. A list of recent unopposed returns is set out in Annex B.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt199899/jtselect/jtpriv/43/43ap53.htm#note86
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More likely to view boys as sexual objects. I don't think women feature.tyson said:kle4 said:
That strikes me as a really simplistic suggestion with a completely misdirected focus with very little basis. For starters, if someone marries the first girl they fuck who cares, and second, is there a basis besides that innuendo that public school educated people are more likely to be inclined to mistreat women? Thirdly, why would politics attract socially inadequate men? Some clearly make it through, but I'd have thought a lot of people have to be quite good socially to make the kind of connections they need, persuade parties and voters to back them and so on.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
I went to a state school, since it apparently matters.
Politics attracts odd people...full stop. It's the name of the game.
On public schools...no I am not saying they are more likely to mistreat women, what I am saying is that they are more likely to view women as sexual objects. And being segregated by gender, you get more desperate, and more likely to fall madly in love with your first shag....0 -
Indeed - unattractiveness is rife in all parliamentary parties. And to be honest, I don't care what a politician looks like - I do care about how they think and how they can stand up for what they believe.HYUFD said:
Much the same could be said about many on the Labour side who have matched that description, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Robin Cook, Tom Watson etc.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I don't know who made up that quote...but politics is the way to fame for ugly people....HYUFD said:
Much the same could be said about many on the Labour side who have matched that description, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Robin Cook, Tom Watson etc.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
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A number of public schools are now coed anyway, Marlborough, Sevenoaks, Westminster etc.tyson said:kle4 said:
That strikes me as a really simplistic suggestion with a completely misdirected focus with very little basis. For starters, if someone marries the first girl they fuck who cares, and second, is there a basis besides that innuendo that public school educated people are more likely to be inclined to mistreat women? Thirdly, why would politics attract socially inadequate men? Some clearly make it through, but I'd have thought a lot of people have to be quite good socially to make the kind of connections they need, persuade parties and voters to back them and so on.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
I went to a state school, since it apparently matters.
Politics attracts odd people...full stop. It's the name of the game.
On public schools...no I am not saying they are more likely to mistreat women, what I am saying is that they are more likely to view women as sexual objects. And being segregated by gender, you get more desperate, and more likely to fall madly in love with your first shag....0 -
That reads to me as if it is a procedure for the use of governments - not the opposition.RobD said:From Hansard:
(ii) "Unopposed Returns"—Governments may also lay papers by an older procedure: by moving a motion in the House for the "unopposed return" of the document they wish to lay before the House and be printed on its authority. The large number of papers now required to be laid by statute, combined with the more frequent use of "Command Papers" might have been expected to make this procedure obsolete. It has survived very largely[86] because of uncertainty over the extent to which Command Papers have absolute privilege. The procedure of an "unopposed" return was introduced originally to avoid the inconvenience of the House of having formally to consider motions by ministers for returns of largely uncontroversial information from their own Departments. It is now used by ministers almost exclusively in order to ensure that a report of a ministerial inquiry will not be subject to actions for defamation. Use of the procedure is infrequent. It is not popular with Departments since it involves three stages: a motion for the return in the name of the minister must be tabled (like any other motion) on a sitting day, moved (like any other motion) on a sitting day, and the return made (by publication of the report) on a sitting day. Most typically the report is of such moment that it is published on the day on which the motion is moved (though this is not essential) and the Minister will make a statement upon it to the House at 3.30 pm. Although other Members cannot oppose the motion, the procedure ensures that Members receive clear notice of presentation. A list of recent unopposed returns is set out in Annex B.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt199899/jtselect/jtpriv/43/43ap53.htm#note860 -
The revelation that eminent women can't keep their hands off him is surely flattering.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
All women love us former public schoolboys.Sean_F said:
The revelation that eminent women can't keep their hands off him is surely flattering.TheScreamingEagles said:
Especially those of us who attended all boys schools.0 -
Possible that a motion for an unopposed return is different. Still, hard to imagine there being a procedure to force the government to release papers that is hardly ever used....oxfordsimon said:
That reads to me as if it is a procedure for the use of governments - not the opposition.RobD said:From Hansard:
(ii) "Unopposed Returns"—Governments may also lay papers by an older procedure: by moving a motion in the House for the "unopposed return" of the document they wish to lay before the House and be printed on its authority. The large number of papers now required to be laid by statute, combined with the more frequent use of "Command Papers" might have been expected to make this procedure obsolete. It has survived very largely[86] because of uncertainty over the extent to which Command Papers have absolute privilege. The procedure of an "unopposed" return was introduced originally to avoid the inconvenience of the House of having formally to consider motions by ministers for returns of largely uncontroversial information from their own Departments. It is now used by ministers almost exclusively in order to ensure that a report of a ministerial inquiry will not be subject to actions for defamation. Use of the procedure is infrequent. It is not popular with Departments since it involves three stages: a motion for the return in the name of the minister must be tabled (like any other motion) on a sitting day, moved (like any other motion) on a sitting day, and the return made (by publication of the report) on a sitting day. Most typically the report is of such moment that it is published on the day on which the motion is moved (though this is not essential) and the Minister will make a statement upon it to the House at 3.30 pm. Although other Members cannot oppose the motion, the procedure ensures that Members receive clear notice of presentation. A list of recent unopposed returns is set out in Annex B.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt199899/jtselect/jtpriv/43/43ap53.htm#note860 -
Erskine May p133 on returns (call for production of papers)Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Labour will use Opposition Day to put what it says is a binding vote forcing DEXEU to release 58 Brexit impact studies to Commons Committee
@faisalislam: ..Starmer will use ancient procedure called a “Motion for Unopposed Returns” via a “humble address to Her Majesty” to get the impact studies
Each House has the power to callfor the production of papers by means of a motion for a return. A return from the privy council or from departments headed by a secretary of state is called for by means of an humble address to the sovereign...
It is rarely resorted to in modern circumstances since much of the information previously sought in this way is now produced incommand papers or in act papers or in response to questions. However the power has a continuing importance since it is regularly delegated to select committees, thus enabling them to send for papers an records.
In the commons the procedure also survives in the form of 'motions for unopposed returns' for particular documents which the minister responsible for the government department concerned wishes to make public (hence they are 'unopposed') but in respectof which the protection of statute afforded by an order of the House for printing or other publication is sought...
The power to send for papers by means of a motion for unopposed return extends to papers which are in the possession of Ministers or which Ministers have the authority to obtain. Papers should be ordered only on subjects which are of public or official character.
p352
Immediately after private business is the usual time for moving motions for returns of which notice stands upon the notice paper for the day, and which the minister responsible for the government department concerned has signified his readiness to render. Such motions are made by Ministers, and may be made either at this time or at an other convenient opportunity.
Because it is a settled principle that a motion for a return which is proposed by the Minister responsible for the department concerned ought not to be opposed by any other member, such opposition has been overruled by the Speaker.
In bold what Labour are relying on?0 -
Yep.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're all Puritans now Richard.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, a woman journalist in her late twenties posing in a corset for a photo published in the Times is beyond reproach, but a friend making a light-hearted reference to seeing the photo is not?
OK... I think I'm getting the hang of this new prudery malarkey.
The Department for the Moral Hygiene of the country will be set up shortly.
It occurred to me this evening that there's a wonderful example of the hypocrisy: Michael Gove making a rather funny joke comparing being interviewed on Today with a visit to Harvey Weinstein's hotel room is beyond the pale - trivialising rape etc etc - but Harriet Harman quipping about rumours of a leadership bid that "when a woman says no, she means no" was OK.0 -
oxfordsimon said:
Indeed - unattractiveness is rife in all parliamentary parties. And to be honest, I don't care what a politician looks like - I do care about how they think and how they can stand up for what they believe.HYUFD said:
Much the same could be said about many on the Labour side who have matched that description, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Robin Cook, Tom Watson etc.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
But most people choose their partner based on how they look.......and that is a pretty big decision.
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Yes, you are very odd, aren't you?tyson said:kle4 said:
That strikes me as a really simplistic suggestion with a completely misdirected focus with very little basis. For starters, if someone marries the first girl they fuck who cares, and second, is there a basis besides that innuendo that public school educated people are more likely to be inclined to mistreat women? Thirdly, why would politics attract socially inadequate men? Some clearly make it through, but I'd have thought a lot of people have to be quite good socially to make the kind of connections they need, persuade parties and voters to back them and so on.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
I went to a state school, since it apparently matters.
Politics attracts odd people...full stop. . 0 -
Harriet is beyond reproach and Gove is evil - surely that was covered in the first lesson in your re-education process?Richard_Nabavi said:
Yep.TheScreamingEagles said:
We're all Puritans now Richard.Richard_Nabavi said:So, to be clear, a woman journalist in her late twenties posing in a corset for a photo published in the Times is beyond reproach, but a friend making a light-hearted reference to seeing the photo is not?
OK... I think I'm getting the hang of this new prudery malarkey.
The Department for the Moral Hygiene of the country will be set up shortly.
It occurred to me this evening that there's a wonderful example of the hypocrisy: Michael Gove making a rather funny joke comparing being interviewed on Today with a visit to Harvey Weinstein's hotel room is beyond the pale - trivialising rape etc etc - but Harriet Harman quipping about rumours of a leadership bid that "when a woman says no, she means no" was OK.0 -
I am not planning on dating a politician - and I certainly don't vote based on the looks of the various candidates.tyson said:oxfordsimon said:
Indeed - unattractiveness is rife in all parliamentary parties. And to be honest, I don't care what a politician looks like - I do care about how they think and how they can stand up for what they believe.HYUFD said:
Much the same could be said about many on the Labour side who have matched that description, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Robin Cook, Tom Watson etc.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
But most people choose their partner based on how they look.......and that is a pretty big decision.0 -
Seems like the power is used almost exclusively by ministers now, but the opening line does say the House has the power, so perhaps others can do so?kle4 said:
Erskine May p133 on returns (call for production of papers)Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Labour will use Opposition Day to put what it says is a binding vote forcing DEXEU to release 58 Brexit impact studies to Commons Committee
@faisalislam: ..Starmer will use ancient procedure called a “Motion for Unopposed Returns” via a “humble address to Her Majesty” to get the impact studies
Each House has the power to callfor the production of papers by means of a motion for a return. A return from the privy council or from departments headed by a secretary of state is called for by means of an humble address to the sovereign...
It is rarely resorted to in modern circumstances since much of the information previously sought in this way is now produced incommand papers or in act papers or in response to questions. However the power has a continuing importance since it is regularly delegated to select committees, thus enabling them to send for papers an records.
In the commons the procedure also survives in the form of 'motions for unopposed returns' for particular documents which the minister responsible for the government department concerned wishes to make public (hence they are 'unopposed') but in respectof which the protection of statute afforded by an order of the House for printing or other publication is sought...
The power to send for papers by means of a motion for unopposed return extends to papers which are in the possession of Ministers or which Ministers have the authority to obtain. Papers should be ordered only on subjects which are of public or official character.
p352
Immediately after private business is the usual time for moving motions for returns of which notice stands upon the notice paper for the day, and which the minister responsible for the government department concerned has signified his readiness to render. Such motions are made by Ministers, and may be made either at this time or at an other convenient opportunity.
Because it is a settled principle that a motion for a return which is proposed by the Minister responsible for the department concerned ought not to be opposed by any other member, such opposition has been overruled by the Speaker.
In bold what Labour are relying on?0 -
But the text also states that unopposed returns are only proposed by a minister?kle4 said:
Erskine May p133 on returns (call for production of papers)Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Labour will use Opposition Day to put what it says is a binding vote forcing DEXEU to release 58 Brexit impact studies to Commons Committee
@faisalislam: ..Starmer will use ancient procedure called a “Motion for Unopposed Returns” via a “humble address to Her Majesty” to get the impact studies
Each House has the power to callfor the production of papers by means of a motion for a return. A return from the privy council or from departments headed by a secretary of state is called for by means of an humble address to the sovereign...
It is rarely resorted to in modern circumstances since much of the information previously sought in this way is now produced incommand papers or in act papers or in response to questions. However the power has a continuing importance since it is regularly delegated to select committees, thus enabling them to send for papers an records.
In the commons the procedure also survives in the form of 'motions for unopposed returns' for particular documents which the minister responsible for the government department concerned wishes to make public (hence they are 'unopposed') but in respectof which the protection of statute afforded by an order of the House for printing or other publication is sought...
The power to send for papers by means of a motion for unopposed return extends to papers which are in the possession of Ministers or which Ministers have the authority to obtain. Papers should be ordered only on subjects which are of public or official character.
p352
Immediately after private business is the usual time for moving motions for returns of which notice stands upon the notice paper for the day, and which the minister responsible for the government department concerned has signified his readiness to render. Such motions are made by Ministers, and may be made either at this time or at an other convenient opportunity.
Because it is a settled principle that a motion for a return which is proposed by the Minister responsible for the department concerned ought not to be opposed by any other member, such opposition has been overruled by the Speaker.
In bold what Labour are relying on?0 -
If you want to be famous and are not good looking enough or a good enough actor for Hollywood and you would not fit naturally into a rock or pop band and you are never likely to get trials for a Premiership football club then politics is your best bet to celebrity yes.tyson said:
I don't know who made up that quote...but politics is the way to fame for ugly people....HYUFD said:
Much the same could be said about many on the Labour side who have matched that description, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Robin Cook, Tom Watson etc.tyson said:
Give me the names of some normal kind of blokes in the Tory party whom you would like to spend an evening with. That is the reason why BJ is so popular with the grassoots...ultimately he is quite charming which is really exceptional for a Tory male politician who usually range from being creepy, weird, aspergery, odd looking, boring, sexless or usually a combination of all the above....RobD said:
Charming, as ever.tyson said:
I also think politics attracts quite a lot of socially inadequate men, particularly the Tories, who have been terribly socialised at public schools and are completely incapable at relating to a woman in any other form other than as a sexual object. I think many off them too, particularly the Tories again, look to be the marry the first girl they fuck kind of saddos.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Like the Fallon stuff, it is small beer. Creepy, yes, but not comparable to abuse of power allegations that are currently redacted or trying to hush up serious sexual assaults.RobD said:
Where does this lie on the scale of sexual harassment? It seems pretty low-level to me... the creepy text message regarding corsets was probably the worst, although perhaps they remained on reasonably good terms given her congratulatory text message for his new appointment?TheScreamingEagles said:
(Though there are a few beautiful people in politics, Zac Goldsmith, Luciana Berger etc and Macron, Trudeau, Ardern and Kurz have all got elected recently helped in part by their youth and good looks).0 -
So it would seem - cherry pick the bit in bold and it seems possible, but in the context (and I haven't included some bits that didn't seem relevant) it seems like a ministerial option, that the executive wants to release info but some part of the law requires approval of the house first.RobD said:
But the text also states that unopposed returns are only proposed by a minister?kle4 said:
Erskine May p133 on returns (call for production of papers)Scott_P said:@faisalislam: Labour will use Opposition Day to put what it says is a binding vote forcing DEXEU to release 58 Brexit impact studies to Commons Committee
@faisalislam: ..Starmer will use ancient procedure called a “Motion for Unopposed Returns” via a “humble address to Her Majesty” to get the impact studies
Each House has the power to callfor the production of papers by means of a motion for a return. A return from the privy council or from departments headed by a secretary of state is called for by means of an humble address to the sovereign...
It is rarely resorted to in modern circumstances since much of the information previously sought in this way is now produced incommand papers or in act papers or in response to questions. However the power has a continuing importance since it is regularly delegated to select committees, thus enabling them to send for papers an records.
In the commons the procedure also survives in the form of 'motions for unopposed returns' for particular documents which the minister responsible for the government department concerned wishes to make public (hence they are 'unopposed') but in respectof which the protecti
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Immediately after private business is the usual time for moving motions for returns of which notice stands upon the notice paper for the day, and which the minister responsible for the government department concerned has signified his readiness to render. Such motions are made by Ministers, and may be made either at this time or at an other convenient opportunity.
Because it is a settled principle that a motion for a return which is proposed by the Minister responsible for the department concerned ought not to be opposed by any other member, such opposition has been overruled by the Speaker.
In bold what Labour are relying on?
But I assume advice was sought from the Clerk to the House, and it may be the latest, unpublished edition has been updated or there is some other precedent that applies that for brevity is not included.0
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