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Referring to Eastbourne:
""Cllr Troy Tester @CllrTroyTester 28 Nov
Stephen Lloyd reselected as Lib Dem candidate for the 2015 general election by an overwhelming majority. Well done Stephen"
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Kick them out of the EU.TheScreamingEagles said:See, democracy sucks sometimes
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Croatia - first results show #referendum to ban same-sex marriage has passed with 64.6%0 -
People expect Boris to act like an out of touch twit from time to time.
The damage will be minimal.
He'll be more worried he ends up like Ken, a spent force who's cheeky chappy act and appeal had faded with time and it just didn't sell anymore.0 -
As a boy Boris Johnson said he wanted to be "World King" and then he ends up being Mayor of London, which is pretty much the same thing.0
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Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.210 -
stodge An independent London, why not an independent New York or Paris? It would not make sense, in any case as not only is it the ancient capital of the nation, but of course an entire section of the UK, particularly around the home counties, is interdependent with it and provides much of its highest skilled workforce.0
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You don't hear Tories talking about property-owning democracy so much these days. They're more interested in the buy-to-let democracy. Gives better returns.TOPPING said:
"What would Maggie do on housing? She would recognise the squeeze on her core voters, their desperate shortage of homes; she would revive her great mission of a property-owning democracy and encourage the creation of hundreds of thousands of new homes in which people had at least a share of the equity themselves; and she would remember the lessons of Baldwin and Macmillan and Thatcher – that Tories are most successful when they help middle Britain to find the housing they need. "tim said:
I thought it was Osborne who was distancing himself?
At last.
A back-to-basics Tory policy you can get behind, tim.0 -
I think Boris still qualifies as a Tory.Monksfield said:
You don't hear Tories talking about property-owning democracy so much these days. They're more interested in the buy-to-let democracy. Gives better returns.TOPPING said:
"What would Maggie do on housing? She would recognise the squeeze on her core voters, their desperate shortage of homes; she would revive her great mission of a property-owning democracy and encourage the creation of hundreds of thousands of new homes in which people had at least a share of the equity themselves; and she would remember the lessons of Baldwin and Macmillan and Thatcher – that Tories are most successful when they help middle Britain to find the housing they need. "tim said:
I thought it was Osborne who was distancing himself?
At last.
A back-to-basics Tory policy you can get behind, tim.0 -
Like you're going to get much sympathy about football results this season from a Norwich fan. And we're just in time for the reaction on Wednesday.TheScreamingEagles said:Can we stop talking about the football please.
Or the morning thread maybe about electoral reform.
Kind regards
The Guest Editor and Liverpool fan.
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Paddy Power - Referendum On A United Ireland?
- Applies to whether or not a referendum on Northern Ireland to become part of a fully united Ireland is put to the people of Northern Ireland by the end of 2020. Must be an official referendum and held by the British government.
Yes 9/2
No 1/8
Even if you think that No is the winning bet, it is hard to see why on earth any punter would lock up their cash for over 7 years for a pathetic return of 1/8.0 -
Slight but not impossible. Regardless, he would certainly have more than enough clout with the grassroots to be a kingmaker of sorts and that would appeal to him. From thence to whatever juicy posting he wished if all went well.SeanT said:The chances of the Tories choosing him as leader are slight, and dependent on endless improbabilities all turning out right.
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No Sturridge, no Couthino, it was like to back to the dark days of pre January 2013.antifrank said:
Like you're going to get much sympathy about football results this season from a Norwich fan. And we're just in time for the reaction on Wednesday.TheScreamingEagles said:Can we stop talking about the football please.
Or the morning thread maybe about electoral reform.
Kind regards
The Guest Editor and Liverpool fan.
I'm backing Norwich to win on Wednesday.
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It's karma at work - cosmic retribution for that Theresa Will gag.TheScreamingEagles said:Can we stop talking about the football please.
Or the morning thread maybe about electoral reform.
Kind regards
The Guest Editor and Liverpool fan.
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I can't speak for New York or Paris but the economic argument for an independent London is a hard one to refute. London would more than hold its own economically as an independent state possibly outside the EU.HYUFD said:stodge An independent London, why not an independent New York or Paris? It would not make sense, in any case as not only is it the ancient capital of the nation, but of course an entire section of the UK, particularly around the home counties, is interdependent with it and provides much of its highest skilled workforce.
No reason why people living outside London couldn't continue to work inside London but a lot of the "highest skilled workforce" no longer commutes from the Home Counties but lives and works along the river or in Docklands and in any case many of them aren't UK nationals.0 -
Just catching up with today's earlier thread and a few observations.
David Herdson's excellent article yesterday morning really nailed the problems for the SNP and the Yes campaign after the launch of their White Paper. Absolutely no surprises in the polling reaction to the White Paper launch either, and I am feeling ever more confident that there will be a comfortable No result come the vote next year.
And the somewhat rattled and bad tempered reaction of some Nats on here today following the launch of the White Paper is another entirely predictable outcome. There was a lot of high hopes riding on that White Paper, with many in the Yes camp desperately praying it would manage to pull a game changing rabbit out of the hat and thus confound the Nationalists critics. But as David Herdson noted, it came across as more of an SNP Holyrood election manifesto than a serious prospectus for Independence.
The Independence White Paper launch turned out to be a real damp squib, and it hasn't been the game changer that its supporters had hoped it might be. Its simple hardened already made up minds on both sides of the debate, and this in turn is going to lead to yet more angry and noisy bickering of the kind we are already increasing seeing online.
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I blame John Rentoul.Ishmael_X said:
It's karma at work - cosmic retribution for that Theresa Will gag.TheScreamingEagles said:Can we stop talking about the football please.
Or the morning thread maybe about electoral reform.
Kind regards
The Guest Editor and Liverpool fan.
Though I'm still waiting for the time I'm editing the site, and there's a big scandal involving Ed Balls.
The headline will be
"Balls deep in trouble"0 -
Referring to UKIP:
"Jack Duffin @jackduffin 28 Nov
Been elected parliamentary candidate for Uxbridge &South Ruislip thank you to the local members. Roll on 2014 locals then the GE in 2015"
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The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.0
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I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.0 -
That is a shame.SeanT said:
Right now I'd say the odds on Yes winning are, realistically, about 10/1 against. And no, I'm not offering them personally.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.210 -
As a classicist, I'm in favour of us returning back to city-states, like Sparta.antifrank said:The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.
On this topic, Vince Cable has recognised Sheffield's brilliance and future role as the major city of the UK
Business Bank to be based in Sheffield
Vince Cable to give an extra £250m to Britain's Business Bank and move its headquarters to Yorkshire, The Telegraph can reveal.
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What we really need is for London to run the rest of the UK on a colonial basis.SeanT said:
But London is a success mainly BECAUSE it is the capital of England, this remarkable, resilient kingdom with stable institutions dating back to the Anglo-Saxons. London IS England, capitalised.antifrank said:The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.
You cannot divorce city from state.0 -
stodge London has always attracted migrants as with most other major cities, but I doubt most commuters would have to go through customs and take their passports to work everyday. In any case, as for being outside the EU, London is probably the most pro-EU region in the country. There may well emerge an independence for London movement, but it would probably get about as many votes as the Cornish Independence Party, Mebyon Kernow
SeanT Exactly, moving the Royal Family to Windsor and Parliament back to Winchester would also destroy much of the very essence of London and its role0 -
The capital of Anglo-Saxon England (post-unification) was Winchester. It was the Normans who moved it to London.SeanT said:
But London is a success mainly BECAUSE it is the capital of England, this remarkable, resilient kingdom with stable institutions dating back to the Anglo-Saxons. London IS England, capitalised.antifrank said:The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.
You cannot divorce city from state.
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What exactly are the benefits of this which would remote outweigh the huge disruption and damage caused in transition.stodge said:
I can't speak for New York or Paris but the economic argument for an independent London is a hard one to refute. London would more than hold its own economically as an independent state possibly outside the EU.HYUFD said:stodge An independent London, why not an independent New York or Paris? It would not make sense, in any case as not only is it the ancient capital of the nation, but of course an entire section of the UK, particularly around the home counties, is interdependent with it and provides much of its highest skilled workforce.
No reason why people living outside London couldn't continue to work inside London but a lot of the "highest skilled workforce" no longer commutes from the Home Counties but lives and works along the river or in Docklands and in any case many of them aren't UK nationals.
Just because something could work if it were already so does not mean it would be a good idea to switch to that state.
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Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.0 -
What volume is moving the market ?Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.
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GBP 2000 was matched today at Betfair.JackW said:
What volume is moving the market ?Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.
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So the status quo then?antifrank said:
What we really need is for London to run the rest of the UK on a colonial basis.SeanT said:
But London is a success mainly BECAUSE it is the capital of England, this remarkable, resilient kingdom with stable institutions dating back to the Anglo-Saxons. London IS England, capitalised.antifrank said:The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.
You cannot divorce city from state.0 -
I think there have been a couple of polls that have completed their fieldwork, but are yet to be published (because I think the people commissioning them aren't weekend newspapers)Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.
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Touché.foxinsoxuk said:So the status quo then?
antifrank said:
What we really need is for London to run the rest of the UK on a colonial basis.SeanT said:
But London is a success mainly BECAUSE it is the capital of England, this remarkable, resilient kingdom with stable institutions dating back to the Anglo-Saxons. London IS England, capitalised.antifrank said:The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.
You cannot divorce city from state.
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They might never be published.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there have been a couple of polls that have completed their fieldwork, but are yet to be published (because I think the people commissioning them aren't weekend newspapers)Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.
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It's not a lot of cash to move a market by around a point at this stage.Stuart_Dickson said:
GBP 2000 was matched today at Betfair.JackW said:
What volume is moving the market ?Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.
I'm not suggesting it here but market manipulation to gather a few headlines and a little momentum is not uncommon in the US.
Broadly speaking YES has it all to do. Not impossible and "events, dear boy events" may yet intervene but clearly the odds presently strongly favour the Unionist cause.
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London isn't quite as wonderful as people make out. Very soon it will be a city with a complete absence of middle-class people, just rich and poor.0
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I have as much chance of becoming Prime Minister as of being decapitated by a frisbee or of finding Elvis.
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Err... correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot recall Betfair prices ever forming the basis of any headline whatsoever. Only geeks like me are remotely interested in them, and they have zero effect on public opinion.JackW said:
It's not a lot of cash to move a market by around a point at this stage.Stuart_Dickson said:
GBP 2000 was matched today at Betfair.JackW said:
What volume is moving the market ?Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.
I'm not suggesting it here but market manipulation to gather a few headlines and a little momentum is not uncommon in the US.
Broadly speaking YES has it all to do. Not impossible and "events, dear boy events" may yet intervene but clearly the odds presently strongly favour the Unionist cause.0 -
Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools0
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Writing on-topically, but trivially, I'll admit to never particularly liking Boris. To me he sounds like he's got 24 hour morning mouth. But I do admire his head of hair and the way he cycled his bulk 100 miles over hill & dale around London recently, slow but determined. Such determination may well extend to his politics, in which case maybe some people had better be wary.
He sometimes does say and write things to get one thinking. I guess that's what court jesters had licence to do?0 -
Surprised if anyone thought this was heading any other way:
http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2013/12/how-did-a-private-turkish-university-and-the-carlyle-group-a-global-asset-management-company-end-up-in-the-mix-to-run-three-rural-schools-in-oxfordshire/0 -
Erm, no it won't. There are plenty of thriving middle class areas in London and there will continue to be. Explosive price rises in the very centre of London are not the same as the entire capital flushing out the middle class. Nothing like it. London is a very big place.AndyJS said:London isn't quite as wonderful as people make out. Very soon it will be a city with a complete absence of middle-class people, just rich and poor.
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When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford.
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I agree. Boris has an undoubted charm, but would be better suited to being Mayor and then party Chairman rebuilding the party in the country. If anything could get people turning out on the rubber chicken circuit on a cold January evening, it would be to have Boris as after dinner speaker.
, onToms said:Writing on-topically, but trivially, I'll admit to never particularly liking Boris. To me he sounds like he's got 24 hour morning mouth. But I do admire his head of hair and the way he cycled his bulk 100 miles over hill & dale around London recently, slow but determined. Such determination may well extend to his politics, in which case maybe some people had better be wary.
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The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
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Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.0 -
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
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...when the metropolis already had a population of around 800-odd thousand. Must have been seriously smelly and unhealthy (thereby curtailing one's life should he/she be tired of it). A big thank you to the Victorians for their sewerage system and water supply.Sunil_Prasannan said:When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford.
- Samuel Johnson, 1777.0 -
There are also pieces of paper saying Manchester is not in Lancashire which mean equally little.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
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Who cares? I was able to vote for Boris in 2008 and again in 2012, despite living in IG2.maaarsh said:
There are also pieces of paper saying Manchester is not in Lancashire which mean equally little.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
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Most of the out of towners on here have seen approximately 1% of London, wandered around Leicester Square for a minute with a piece of straw in their mouth, got scared, and took the first train back to Bumpkin Central.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Government_Act_1963
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Successful cities grow.maaarsh said:
There are also pieces of paper saying Manchester is not in Lancashire which mean equally little.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Government_Act_1963
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513653/Sexual-violence-gang-neighbourhoods-like-war-zones-girls-young-11-groomed-raped.htmlBobajob said:
Most of the out of towners on here have seen approximately 1% of London, wandered around Leicester Square for a minute with a piece of straw in their mouth, got scared, and took the first train back to Bumpkin Central.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Government_Act_1963
"Britain's worst gang hit neighbourhoods are seeing levels of sexual violence as bad as in war zones, it was claimed today."
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Bobajob Indeed, but the likes of Enfield and Harrow are still suburbs rather than the heart of the city, and Bromley, Bexley and Upminster and Richmond etc are really Kent and Essex and Surrey0
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Administratively they are part of London.HYUFD said:Bobajob Indeed, but the likes of Enfield and Harrow are still suburbs rather than the heart of the city, and Bromley, Bexley and Upminster and Richmond etc are really Kent and Essex and Surrey
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Obviously no one cares - I was just a little irratated by someone running around calling others bumpkins like some big city big shot, when they actually live in a dull suburb miles away from the areas anyone else wants to be.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who cares? I was able to vote for Boris in 2008 and again in 2012, despite living in IG2.maaarsh said:
There are also pieces of paper saying Manchester is not in Lancashire which mean equally little.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Government_Act_1963
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It already does - that's the problem.antifrank said:
What we really need is for London to run the rest of the UK on a colonial basis.SeanT said:
But London is a success mainly BECAUSE it is the capital of England, this remarkable, resilient kingdom with stable institutions dating back to the Anglo-Saxons. London IS England, capitalised.antifrank said:The dominant economies of the next decades are going to be city economies. London would do better by itself than being held back by the ill-aligned economies of the rest of the UK which are populated by people with hostility and incomprehension for what London does and represents.
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They tell me that London goes beyond zone 1. Not that I have yet verified this surprising assertion.0
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Antifrank, I assure there are plenty of London railway stations outside Zone 1 - I've been to all 661 stations in the Oystercard areaantifrank said:They tell me that London goes beyond zone 1. Not that I have yet verified this surprising assertion.
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It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.0
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I love London whenever I visit it. It is dynamic, fast-paced, and there is so much to see and do. Truly all of life is there. And it contains three of my favourite walks - the Thames Path (both banks), and the Regent's Canal.Bobajob said:
Most of the out of towners on here have seen approximately 1% of London, wandered around Leicester Square for a minute with a piece of straw in their mouth, got scared, and took the first train back to Bumpkin Central.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Government_Act_1963
At least, I love it until I have to travel in rush hour. Then I realise why I ran screaming from the place. ;-)0 -
David Baddiel and David Suchet both had ancestors from the Kaliningrad area.0
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Samuel Johnson - one of Staffordshire's most famous sons, along with David Garrick and Josiah Wedgwood.Sunil_Prasannan said:When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford.
- Samuel Johnson, 1777.0 -
Pretty sure all of those are actually part of London, but don't have London postcodes, which is confusing.HYUFD said:Bobajob Indeed, but the likes of Enfield and Harrow are still suburbs rather than the heart of the city, and Bromley, Bexley and Upminster and Richmond etc are really Kent and Essex and Surrey
Still, even postal London is massive - goes out as far as Epping Forest on the green belt.
http://geoffbilbrough.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/london_postcodes.png
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"Some people regard us as the Nasty Party"Omnium said:Theresa May won't become Tory leader. Capable though she is there's nothing about her that adds to the equation. I would struggle to remember any phrase she has ever used.
Boris adds. I suspect he's the most popular politician in the country. He even seems to be able to deliver when in office. There's some chance that Cameron will continue in the job for many year, and it may or may not be that Boris has his moment.
Somehow he needs to promulgate whatever it is he's on. Popular Tory politics - it's historically been pretty hard to do. Obviously anyone with any sense (or money) has always voted for the right, and that explains Labours popularity entirely (the enemy of my enemy), but there is a chance that people like Boris can actually make the self-evident case to the populace.0 -
All cities are fairly unpleasant in rush hour.JosiasJessop said:
I love London whenever I visit it. It is dynamic, fast-paced, and there is so much to see and do. Truly all of life is there. And it contains three of my favourite walks - the Thames Path (both banks), and the Regent's Canal.Bobajob said:
Most of the out of towners on here have seen approximately 1% of London, wandered around Leicester Square for a minute with a piece of straw in their mouth, got scared, and took the first train back to Bumpkin Central.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Greater London was formed nearly 50 years ago.maaarsh said:
Suburban hangers on trying to pretend they're part of the city.Bobajob said:
The London suburbs are still very much part of London. I don't know why out-of-towners seem to believe that London stops at Zone 1/2.HYUFD said:Andy JS - Indeed, London is now the European New York, ethnically diverse, where people from across the continent come to make their fortune and work in the City but which also has a large underclass largely dependant on welfare. Most of the middle class has moved out to the suburbs and indeed while many of the young may live in the city when starting their careers, once they have families they move out too unless they are super rich and can afford to pay for London housing and private schools
Zone 1 or nothing. Personally I don't recognise the locality of anyone who doesn't sleep in the square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Government_Act_1963
At least, I love it until I have to travel in rush hour. Then I realise why I ran screaming from the place. ;-)
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Is there anywhere in London where the middle-classes are increasing in numbers or proportion?Bobajob said:
Erm, no it won't. There are plenty of thriving middle class areas in London and there will continue to be. Explosive price rises in the very centre of London are not the same as the entire capital flushing out the middle class. Nothing like it. London is a very big place.AndyJS said:London isn't quite as wonderful as people make out. Very soon it will be a city with a complete absence of middle-class people, just rich and poor.
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When I was living on the Isle of Dogs back in 1993/4, there was a TV interview with an elderly lady (in her 90s?) who had never been off the Isle. She had lived there all her life and had never gone north of Poplar or south to Greenwich.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
From memory, the TV company took her around London and to Buckingham Palace.
I can imagine that being true back then, but I bet she was the last of her breed.
A similar question may be: how many Londoners have been to the North Downs, M25 excepted, or into Epping Forest?
A south Londoner friend of mine from uni was a Millwall supporter. He had only been to a few foreign resorts, a few division one football stadium, and Margate. Aside from that, he had never been outside the M25. I took him to Alton Towers and he was fascinated by the rough, high farmland.0 -
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
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He has one of the worst election slogans of all time:tim said:Osborne stooge tipped for Chief Whip.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2013/12/sir-george-young-to-retire-in-2015-will-greghands-take-over-as-chief-whip-before-then.html
"Hands up for Hand"
(The sound of one hand clapping)
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Heh. That's the second part of the story I mentioned below. After going to Alton Towers, my mate wanted to see a local football stadium in Stoke. So I drove him there. On the way, we saw a distant herd of Holstein cows. He asked me what they were. Rather surprised, I replied: "badgers"Bobajob said:
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
At breakfast the next morning, he expressed his surprise to my parents that badgers were so large. He had always thought of them as being small creatures. He had a good degree (in computing, not biology).
We are no longer friends ...
Then, a few years ago, there was a kids TV program where the children had to break eggs on their heads; some were boiled, some were raw. One of the kids (and I'd put him at ten or eleven) said he had never seen an egg before ...0 -
In inner cities you can't properly engage in free-form bipedal plantigrade locomotion. You must subscribe to the crowd's pace. You can't flow. Watch the poor joggers trying to make progress along the river near the Tate Modern for instance.
So what's the solution? Another national gem: public footpaths. In the countryside.0 -
Exactly - she never actually called the Tories the Nasty Party.surbiton said:
"Some people regard us as the Nasty Party"Omnium said:Theresa May won't become Tory leader. Capable though she is there's nothing about her that adds to the equation. I would struggle to remember any phrase she has ever used.
Boris adds. I suspect he's the most popular politician in the country. He even seems to be able to deliver when in office. There's some chance that Cameron will continue in the job for many year, and it may or may not be that Boris has his moment.
Somehow he needs to promulgate whatever it is he's on. Popular Tory politics - it's historically been pretty hard to do. Obviously anyone with any sense (or money) has always voted for the right, and that explains Labours popularity entirely (the enemy of my enemy), but there is a chance that people like Boris can actually make the self-evident case to the populace.0 -
I know, I knowantifrank said:
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I find such stories tragic.JosiasJessop said:
Heh. That's the second part of the story I mentioned below. After going to Alton Towers, my mate wanted to see a local football stadium in Stoke. So I drove him there. On the way, we saw a distant herd of Holstein cows. He asked me what they were. Rather surprised, I replied: "badgers"Bobajob said:
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
At breakfast the next morning, he expressed his surprise to my parents that badgers were so large. He had always thought of them as being small creatures. He had a good degree (in computing, not biology).
We are no longer friends ...
Then, a few years ago, there was a kids TV program where the children had to break eggs on their heads; some were boiled, some were raw. One of the kids (and I'd put him at ten or eleven) said he had never seen an egg before ...
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Lol.tim said:JosiasJessop said:
Heh. That's the second part of the story I mentioned below. After going to Alton Towers, my mate wanted to see a local football stadium in Stoke. So I drove him there. On the way, we saw a distant herd of Holstein cows. He asked me what they were. Rather surprised, I replied: "badgers"Bobajob said:
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
At breakfast the next morning, he expressed his surprise to my parents that badgers were so large. He had always thought of them as being small creatures. He had a good degree (in computing, not biology).
We are no longer friends ...
Then, a few years ago, there was a kids TV program where the children had to break eggs on their heads; some were boiled, some were raw. One of the kids (and I'd put him at ten or eleven) said he had never seen an egg before ...
The ball is in the air most of the time at Stoke's Britannia Stadium, so the pitch is used for grazing.
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Some lefties in The Guardian threatened to leave the UK if Boris became Mayor. I'm still looking forward to their departure.0
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When I was a kid going through the girlie horse obsession phase, I asked my mum if I could have lessons. Her reply; 'Where do you think we'll find a horse in Stoke?'JosiasJessop said:
Heh. That's the second part of the story I mentioned below. After going to Alton Towers, my mate wanted to see a local football stadium in Stoke. So I drove him there. On the way, we saw a distant herd of Holstein cows. He asked me what they were. Rather surprised, I replied: "badgers"Bobajob said:
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
At breakfast the next morning, he expressed his surprise to my parents that badgers were so large. He had always thought of them as being small creatures. He had a good degree (in computing, not biology).
We are no longer friends ...
Then, a few years ago, there was a kids TV program where the children had to break eggs on their heads; some were boiled, some were raw. One of the kids (and I'd put him at ten or eleven) said he had never seen an egg before ...
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Average of polls published during November 2012:
Lab: 42%
Con: 33%
LD: 9%
UKIP: 8%
Others: 8%
Average of polls published during November 2013:
Lab: 39%
Con: 32%
LD: 10%
UKIP: 12%
Others: 8%
Changes:
Lab: -3%
Con: -1%
LD: +1%
UKIP: +4%
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Who do they intend to vote for in 2015?SeanT said:In more Delancey St Party News, "Aaron", our host, aged about 34 (works in "insurance"), and his beautiful African wife Zara, now owns all his £3m house, and has just applied for planning permission to create a 1000 bottle wine cellar.
He's 34.
It's a different world out there, in NW1. And, remember, these are the neighbours of Ed Miliband and Justine Thornton.0 -
Dear oh dear , what can one say but give me strength, utter dross.fitalass said:Just catching up with today's earlier thread and a few observations.
David Herdson's excellent article yesterday morning really nailed the problems for the SNP and the Yes campaign after the launch of their White Paper. Absolutely no surprises in the polling reaction to the White Paper launch either, and I am feeling ever more confident that there will be a comfortable No result come the vote next year.
And the somewhat rattled and bad tempered reaction of some Nats on here today following the launch of the White Paper is another entirely predictable outcome. There was a lot of high hopes riding on that White Paper, with many in the Yes camp desperately praying it would manage to pull a game changing rabbit out of the hat and thus confound the Nationalists critics. But as David Herdson noted, it came across as more of an SNP Holyrood election manifesto than a serious prospectus for Independence.
The Independence White Paper launch turned out to be a real damp squib, and it hasn't been the game changer that its supporters had hoped it might be. Its simple hardened already made up minds on both sides of the debate, and this in turn is going to lead to yet more angry and noisy bickering of the kind we are already increasing seeing online.0 -
Inside MOE for both big parties in a year. Remarkably stable polling.AndyJS said:Average of polls published during November 2012:
Lab: 42%
Con: 33%
LD: 9%
UKIP: 8%
Others: 8%
Average of polls published during November 2013:
Lab: 39%
Con: 32%
LD: 10%
UKIP: 12%
Others: 8%
Changes:
Lab: -3%
Con: -1%
LD: +1%
UKIP: +4%
Others: nc
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"This time next year, we'll be millionaires!" - Del BoySeanT said:
That's a f*cking good question. I will ask next year. They are all really nice. But so.. ludicrously rich... at such a young age.AndyJS said:
Who do they intend to vote for in 2015?SeanT said:In more Delancey St Party News, "Aaron", our host, aged about 34 (works in "insurance"), and his beautiful African wife Zara, now owns all his £3m house, and has just applied for planning permission to create a 1000 bottle wine cellar.
He's 34.
It's a different world out there, in NW1. And, remember, these are the neighbours of Ed Miliband and Justine Thornton.
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;-)tim said:JosiasJessop said:
Heh. That's the second part of the story I mentioned below. After going to Alton Towers, my mate wanted to see a local football stadium in Stoke. So I drove him there. On the way, we saw a distant herd of Holstein cows. He asked me what they were. Rather surprised, I replied: "badgers"Bobajob said:
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
At breakfast the next morning, he expressed his surprise to my parents that badgers were so large. He had always thought of them as being small creatures. He had a good degree (in computing, not biology).
We are no longer friends ...
Then, a few years ago, there was a kids TV program where the children had to break eggs on their heads; some were boiled, some were raw. One of the kids (and I'd put him at ten or eleven) said he had never seen an egg before ...
The ball is in the air most of the time at Stoke's Britannia Stadium, so the pitch is used for grazing.
Except it was 1994, so the Britannia Stadium might well have been used for grazing as it hadn't been built. It was either the Victoria Ground or Vale Park. Which is about the limit of my knowledge of the area's football.
The same mate got me a free ticket to a Millwall-Derby match, the only football match I have ever been to. I was nominally a Derby supporter (as I was born near Derby) in the Millwall end. People knew me and him, so it felt fine.
We left after the third pitch invasion. And people ask why I despise football. The glorious game? Not on your nelly...0 -
Are you a spin doctor?Bobajob said:
Inside MOE for both big parties in a year. Remarkably stable polling.AndyJS said:Average of polls published during November 2012:
Lab: 42%
Con: 33%
LD: 9%
UKIP: 8%
Others: 8%
Average of polls published during November 2013:
Lab: 39%
Con: 32%
LD: 10%
UKIP: 12%
Others: 8%
Changes:
Lab: -3%
Con: -1%
LD: +1%
UKIP: +4%
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reality starting to kick inStuart_Dickson said:
GBP 2000 was matched today at Betfair.JackW said:
What volume is moving the market ?Stuart_Dickson said:
Aha. Thanks. But I still fail to see why that would explain the move in prices, with Yes shortening from 6 to 5.1 in just 12 hours. That is the biggest daily price movement in the IndyRef market in months, and I am scratching my head cos I cannot see any obvious reason. Of course, a private poll or two might explain it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think there were rumours that the Sunday Times had a reduced lead for no with yougov.Stuart_Dickson said:Big moves to Yes on the Betfair market today. Unclear why given today's Progressive Scottish Opinion poll in the Scottish Mail on Sunday (Yes 27% (nc), No 56% (-3), DK 17% (+3)). Worth noting that PSO are not BPC members and thus do not disclose methodology or detailed findings, so perhaps punters ignore them?
Headline Betfair prices:
Yes 5.1 (was 6 this morning)
No 1.23
Betfair prices at the GBP 100 + stake level:
Yes 4.8
No 1.21
Even when I read the article, it read that way.
It was only in another piece, the poll was a UK wide figure and a Scottish sub-sample figure.0 -
In the pies?Carola said:
When I was a kid going through the girlie horse obsession phase, I asked my mum if I could have lessons. Her reply; 'Where do you think we'll find a horse in Stoke?'JosiasJessop said:
Heh. That's the second part of the story I mentioned below. After going to Alton Towers, my mate wanted to see a local football stadium in Stoke. So I drove him there. On the way, we saw a distant herd of Holstein cows. He asked me what they were. Rather surprised, I replied: "badgers"Bobajob said:
I saw a documentary about an East London school a few years back where not a single classmate had ever seen a cow. This was utterly depressing. I can understand not wanting to live outside London (I wouldn't want to) but the English countryside should be experienced by all.AndyJS said:It would be interesting to know how many Londoners have never ventured outside the M25. Whether this would be a sign of parochialism or sophistication might be an interesting discussion point.
At breakfast the next morning, he expressed his surprise to my parents that badgers were so large. He had always thought of them as being small creatures. He had a good degree (in computing, not biology).
We are no longer friends ...
Then, a few years ago, there was a kids TV program where the children had to break eggs on their heads; some were boiled, some were raw. One of the kids (and I'd put him at ten or eleven) said he had never seen an egg before ...0 -
"Central London exists in a parallel universe to the rest of the UK."
If something goes wrong it'd be a horrible drop back to normal life for most of these people. With the London property market, for instance.0 -
Eh? Odd questionAndyJS said:
Are you a spin doctor?Bobajob said:
Inside MOE for both big parties in a year. Remarkably stable polling.AndyJS said:Average of polls published during November 2012:
Lab: 42%
Con: 33%
LD: 9%
UKIP: 8%
Others: 8%
Average of polls published during November 2013:
Lab: 39%
Con: 32%
LD: 10%
UKIP: 12%
Others: 8%
Changes:
Lab: -3%
Con: -1%
LD: +1%
UKIP: +4%
Others: nc
Con -1
Lab -3
Just pointing out the stability of the polling.
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It is still an overcrowded dump for most people, with some Disney land tourist attractions in the centre where plebs cannot afford to go.AndyJS said:"Central London exists in a parallel universe to the rest of the UK."
If something goes wrong it'd be a horrible drop back to normal life for most of these people. With the London property market, for instance.0 -
Millwall did used to have a certain reputation.JosiasJessop said:We left after the third pitch invasion. And people ask why I despise football. The glorious game? Not on your nelly...
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There's something a bit sinister about this case:
"A pregnant woman was sedated against her will and her baby removed by caesarean section and taken into care after instructions from social services, it has been claimed.
Social workers went to the High Court to get a court order which allowed them to take the child from the mother's womb, according to reports."
http://news.sky.com/story/1176124/womans-baby-taken-from-womb-by-court-order0 -
That's no way to describe Edinburgh!malcolmg said:
It is still an overcrowded dump for most people, with some Disney land tourist attractions in the centre where plebs cannot afford to go.AndyJS said:"Central London exists in a parallel universe to the rest of the UK."
If something goes wrong it'd be a horrible drop back to normal life for most of these people. With the London property market, for instance. 0 -
Well, it was a long hot summer in "Passport to Pimlico" so perhaps they would...SeanT said:
Ludicrous. Much of the appeal of London is that it is the ancient, historic capital of an incredibly stable, democratic, affluent, law-abiding kingdom. Ripping it out of England (to become, what, a republic?) would destroy its USP instantly.
They sure don't come here for the weather.
We need to think about "independence" beyond notions of borders, uniforms, currencies and armies.
An independent London as part of the Commonwealth might well be in the EU even if the rest of the former United Kingdom has decided to leave (though I suspect it might choose to leave the EU for other reasons).
I'm not arguing for an independent London now but I do think the argument will be put forward more forcefully in the next 25 years.
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A meta analysis should narrow the confidence interval and MOE, provided the mic of polls and their methodology was unchanged.
Still enough to put the Eds into Downing St, despite the slide though.Bobajob said:
Inside MOE for both big parties in a year. Remarkably stable polling.AndyJS said:Average of polls published during November 2012:
Lab: 42%
Con: 33%
LD: 9%
UKIP: 8%
Others: 8%
Average of polls published during November 2013:
Lab: 39%
Con: 32%
LD: 10%
UKIP: 12%
Others: 8%
Changes:
Lab: -3%
Con: -1%
LD: +1%
UKIP: +4%
Others: nc0
