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None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc0 -
She hates Corbyn.David_Evershed said:
Guardian journalist puffing Labour leader shock.Scott_P said:0 -
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc0 -
There's a capacity limit of a few transactions per second. The original designer of the system intended the limit to be a short-term guard against denial-of-service attacks that would be raised once there was enough legitimate traffic to get close to it, but the home-schooled zerohedge-reading digital-goldbugs currently developing the reference client have decided to keep the limit, and instead scale using other systems that don't yet work.Stereotomy said:
Why is the usefulness going down?edmundintokyo said:
It's kind-of revealing that Jamie Dimon made comments about Bitcoin, but the person trying to make a defence decided to move the conversation to crypto-currencies in general.Nigelb said:Continuing the irregular Bitcoin discussion, this is another truly excellent article explaining the purpose of crypto currencies:
https://blog.chain.com/a-letter-to-jamie-dimon-de89d417cb80
Bitcoin was designed for paying for things, but it's now pretty much a pure speculative ponzi. It's actually worse than a proper ponzi, because as well as late entrants having to pay for gains of early entrants, it's burning vast sums in mining costs just to keep going. The usefulness of Bitcoin for any practical purpose keeps going down, while its price keeps going up thanks to people who believe what they read on Zerohedge. At some point these things have to come back into alignment.
Since you have quite a few people wanting to transact to buy some and watch it go up uP UP, this doesn't leave enough room for normal payment transactions. At busy times you have to pay very high fees to transact and you have a hard time getting your transactions through reliably. The result is that people who were accepting payments have mostly either given up accepting crypto-currency or switched to a competing system.0 -
Um.... didn't they do just that by promising a referendum on leaving the EU?TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc0 -
12.6% is what UKIP polled in 2015 = Tory majorityCarolus_Rex said:
Um.... didn't they do just that by promising a referendum on leaving the EU?TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
1.8% is what UKIP polled in 2017 = No Tory majority.0 -
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.0 -
+1000Carolus_Rex said:
Um.... didn't they do just that by promising a referendum on leaving the EU?TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc0 -
Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.0 -
The article isn't a 'defence' of crypto currencies - still less of their current value.edmundintokyo said:
It's kind-of revealing that Jamie Dimon made comments about Bitcoin, but the person trying to make a defence decided to move the conversation to crypto-currencies in general.Nigelb said:Continuing the irregular Bitcoin discussion, this is another truly excellent article explaining the purpose of crypto currencies:
https://blog.chain.com/a-letter-to-jamie-dimon-de89d417cb80
Bitcoin was designed for paying for things, but it's now pretty much a pure speculative ponzi. It's actually worse than a proper ponzi, because as well as late entrants having to pay for gains of early entrants, it's burning vast sums in mining costs just to keep going. The usefulness of Bitcoin for any practical purpose keeps going down, while its price keeps going up thanks to people who believe what they read on Zerohedge. At some point these things have to come back into alignment.
It is, however, an excellent explanation of their design and purpose - particularly in what differentiates them from existing payment (and other) systems - and is absolutely explicit that their real value is entirely unpredictable at this point.0 -
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The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?TheScreamingEagles said:Uh oh
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9206117707750645760 -
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.0 -
Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.TOPPING said:
Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.0 -
President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.FrancisUrquhart said:
The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?TheScreamingEagles said:Uh oh
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9206117707750645760 -
US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.0
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IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.Pulpstar said:US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
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Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?0 -
It is like he can't go to bed each night unless he has started a shit storm.TheScreamingEagles said:
President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.FrancisUrquhart said:
The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?TheScreamingEagles said:Uh oh
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576
The John McCain comments were only what yesterday, or the day before. Watch out old man, who is dying of a terminal illness, I fight back.0 -
That is your Scottish Tories for you , they said they would work tirelessly in Scotland's interests, this proves they are keeping to their word as ever.tlg86 said:Well this is an interesting problem for the government:
https://tinyurl.com/yb6sclbm
A Tory MP is set to miss a debate and vote on welfare policy because he will be running the line at a Champions League football tie in Barcelona.
Douglas Ross has been listed as assistant referee at the Camp Nou stadium for Wednesday night's match against Greek side Olympiacos.
The game kicks off at 7.45pm UK time – 45 minutes after MPs at Westminster are expected to vote on a Labour motion calling for the controversial rollout of universal credit to be postponed.0 -
But Brexit is already causing havoc. And it will get much worse before it gets better - if it ever does. Nothing Corbyn is likely to do will damage the economy as much as Brexit.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.0 -
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.0 -
The Republican Senator who said the White House is like an adult day care centre got it spot on.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is like he can't go to bed each night unless he has started a shit storm.TheScreamingEagles said:
President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.FrancisUrquhart said:
The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?TheScreamingEagles said:Uh oh
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576
The John McCain comments were only what yesterday, or the day before. Watch out old man, who is dying of a terminal illness, I fight back.
As did my friend who said Trump is a man child.0 -
LOL, 50 more than teh great windbag for sure , but it shows perfectly where his interests lie, usual Tory , me first and F*** the plebs.CarlottaVance said:
the absence of Mr Ross suggests that Tory whips have adopted a relaxed approach and could mean the Conservatives repeat the ploy they used to avoid a potential rebellion in previous Labour-led debates in the Commons by abstaining en masse....tlg86 said:Well this is an interesting problem for the government:
https://tinyurl.com/yb6sclbm
A Tory MP is set to miss a debate and vote on welfare policy because he will be running the line at a Champions League football tie in Barcelona.
Douglas Ross has been listed as assistant referee at the Camp Nou stadium for Wednesday night's match against Greek side Olympiacos.
The game kicks off at 7.45pm UK time – 45 minutes after MPs at Westminster are expected to vote on a Labour motion calling for the controversial rollout of universal credit to be postponed.
A spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives said: "There will be many Scottish Conservative representatives in this debate.
"Douglas has held more than 50 surgeries since becoming an MP and has met personally with (Work and Pensions Secretary) David Gauke to discuss local cases which have arisen from those.
"Despite what the SNP thinks, the people of Moray are right behind Douglas and his refereeing, as they showed decisively when they elected him as their MP just a few months ago."0 -
If older people vote Tory, who has been teaching the young that the Tories are baby-eating bastards, intent on gtrinding down the poor.CopperSulphate said:
Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.TOPPING said:
Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.
I certainly didn’t. My opponent is as honourable as myself etc etc.
That most of my children and those grandchildfren who can vote don’t vote Tory is due to their innate good sense.0 -
In large part because they promised an EU referendum which kept enough potential defectors to Kippers on board to win a majority after scraping votes from the carcass of the LDsTheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc0 -
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If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.HYUFD said:
Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.
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That makes it any better that the Nasty party kept them. Only one troll here , clue its the daft Tory one.TheScreamingEagles said:
You really should stop trolling.Pong said:
You'll find the 55p/min charges on crappy pay as you go tarrifs, mainly. UC applicants are way more likely not to be able to get credit/contracts, so rely on the crappy pay as you go tariffs. They're also way more likely to not have easy access to (and confidence on) the internet.FF43 said:
You have a seriously screwy mobile package if you are paying 55p per minute to call 0345 numbers. Presumably you pay the same to call landlines. So fair does to Corbyn for point scored, but Universal Credit has problems that have nothing to do with call charges.Scott_P said:
The system is designed to be as cheap as possible for the taxpayer.
It's the tory way.
F*ck the poor.
You do realise Labour rejected freephone numbers for benefit hotlines when they were in government.0 -
It is supposed to be paid in arrears, therefore mimicking the wait for pay when you take up a job.TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
That is the rationale.
However, any employer worth their salt will give you an advance.
You also used to be able to claim run-on benefits to tide you over.0 -
No publicity for her big mush in itcalum said:Silence from Ruth !
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/9205918009723002880 -
Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc0 -
The education system, social media and the BBC are relentlessly anti-Tory. I suspect that has a greater effect than what their "bigoted" parents think.OldKingCole said:
If older people vote Tory, who has been teaching the young that the Tories are baby-eating bastards, intent on gtrinding down the poor.CopperSulphate said:
Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.TOPPING said:
Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.
I certainly didn’t. My opponent is as honourable as myself etc etc.
That most of my children and those grandchildfren who can vote don’t vote Tory is due to their innate good sense.0 -
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.0 -
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.0 -
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.0 -
Except a man child with a billion dollars and his finger on the nuclear buttonTheScreamingEagles said:
The Republican Senator who said the White House is like an adult day care centre got it spot on.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is like he can't go to bed each night unless he has started a shit storm.TheScreamingEagles said:
President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.FrancisUrquhart said:
The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?TheScreamingEagles said:Uh oh
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576
The John McCain comments were only what yesterday, or the day before. Watch out old man, who is dying of a terminal illness, I fight back.
As did my friend who said Trump is a man child.0 -
Because they are not state courts - rather the trial courts for the federal system:Pulpstar said:US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_district_court
(edit - it's analogous to the transatlantic confusion between 'public', 'private' and 'state' schools...)0 -
It doesn't matter whether what you say is true or false. It will only be believed if you have a good reputation for competence. The Tories have a thrown their's away thanks to Brexit.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.0 -
Go for it but we are also supposed to be aware of the political dynamic and the context which he is operating in.CopperSulphate said:
Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.TOPPING said:
Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.CopperSulphate said:
Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.TOPPING said:
This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.CopperSulphate said:
He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.JonathanD said:
Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.0 -
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Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.
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Since when is listening to legitimate worries of voters pandering?TheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I've no wonder those two clowns (thankfully) lost the referendum with an attitude like that.0 -
Wage growth was below inflation even before Brexit and it was Osborne who insisted on the 6 week wait for Universal Credit, it was Osborne who set the interest rate for student fee repayments, it was Osborne who introduced the public sector pay cap and it was Osborne who insisted spending as a percentage of GDP should fall to just 35%.JonathanD said:.
If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.HYUFD said:
Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.
It was of course Blair who failed to introduce transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries in 2004 which was a key reason for the Leave vote in the first place.0 -
Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.Pulpstar said:US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.
It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
(Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
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So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he didTOPPING said:
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.0 -
I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.eek said:
Paging TSE...Mortimer said:
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.
IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.
The 6 week delay is for new claimants.0 -
LabourTheScreamingEagles said:
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.0 -
America has a weird legal system .Elections for judges and disrict attorneys scare me.rpjs said:
Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.Pulpstar said:US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.
It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
(Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
I remember reading about back in the 50s/60s one of the Alabama gubernatorial elections was won by the candidate who as DAs got the death penalty for an African America who stole a white lady's purse.0 -
Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to BrexitHYUFD said:
Wage growth was below inflation even before BrexitJonathanD said:.
If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.HYUFD said:
Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.
https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png
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OK, that makes sense, but then the six week period seems too long- very rarely would anyone have a pay gap of more than a month, and if they did surely they would be unemployed under the old system and be entitled to Unemployment Benefit?dixiedean said:
It is supposed to be paid in arrears, therefore mimicking the wait for pay when you take up a job.TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
That is the rationale.
However, any employer worth their salt will give you an advance.
You also used to be able to claim run-on benefits to tide you over.0 -
Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.TonyE said:
LabourTheScreamingEagles said:
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.0 -
You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.HYUFD said:
So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he didTOPPING said:
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.0 -
It was in a reply here this morning, so I probably shouldn't have quoted it here without fact checking it, it may have been a mistaken proposition.Mortimer said:
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.0 -
You've set expectations pretty high with your ideal pb lunch, to be fair.TOPPING said:
You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.HYUFD said:
So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he didTOPPING said:
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
What if you do a Theresa May, and we just end up sinking a few pints at 'Spoons and then having a cheeky Nandos?0 -
I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.eek said:
Paging TSE...Mortimer said:
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.
IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.
The 6 week delay is for new claimants.0 -
Indeed. What can I say? The 6 weeks unfortunately can mean eviction. 2 months missed payments can trigger this. Your rent can obviously easily fall due twice in the 6 weeks.TonyE said:
OK, that makes sense, but then the six week period seems too long- very rarely would anyone have a pay gap of more than a month, and if they did surely they would be unemployed under the old system and be entitled to Unemployment Benefit?dixiedean said:
It is supposed to be paid in arrears, therefore mimicking the wait for pay when you take up a job.TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
That is the rationale.
However, any employer worth their salt will give you an advance.
You also used to be able to claim run-on benefits to tide you over.0 -
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He still lost and won fewer seats than Blair and Kinnock 1992.TOPPING said:
You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.HYUFD said:
So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he didTOPPING said:
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
The fact he was a better leader than Brown and Ed Miliband and won more seats than they did is not saying all that much0 -
Cheers.Tissue_Price said:
I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.eek said:
Paging TSE...Mortimer said:
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.
IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.
The 6 week delay is for new claimants.0 -
I would be the only one allowed to order, and then I'd go into another room with my special advisers to have the lunch I described while the waiter brought you all spag bol and lukewarm tap water.Casino_Royale said:
You've set expectations pretty high with your ideal pb lunch, to be fair.TOPPING said:
You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.HYUFD said:
So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he didTOPPING said:
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
What if you do a Theresa May, and we just end up sinking a few pints at 'Spoons and then having a cheeky Nandos?
And then I'd come out and tell you what a wonderful lunch we'd all had.0 -
No, May won more votes:TheScreamingEagles said:
Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.TonyE said:
LabourTheScreamingEagles said:
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.
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For someone like me, who flirted with that, it was real red meat like the EU referendum, ongoing migration target and controls, decent defence spending pledges, the fox hunting vote, EVEL, and pledge for a British bill of rights that kept me on board.HYUFD said:
In large part because they promised an EU referendum which kept enough potential defectors to Kippers on board to win a majority after scraping votes from the carcass of the LDsTheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
Miliband offered none of that.0 -
Would Nicholas Ridley, were he still alive, give them the same advice as an elderly couple unable to afford the poll tax?TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheers.Tissue_Price said:
I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.eek said:
Paging TSE...Mortimer said:
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.
IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.
The 6 week delay is for new claimants.0 -
What about seats?TonyE said:
No, May won more votes:TheScreamingEagles said:
Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.TonyE said:
LabourTheScreamingEagles said:
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.
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*Fucked* is the word of the day.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
Get ready for PM Corbyn!0 -
Hahaha! All in it together.TOPPING said:
I would be the only one allowed to order, and then I'd go into another room with my special advisers to have the lunch I described while the waiter brought you all spag bol and lukewarm tap water.Casino_Royale said:
You've set expectations pretty high with your ideal pb lunch, to be fair.TOPPING said:
You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.HYUFD said:
So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he didTOPPING said:
ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.HYUFD said:
Well thankyou for that factless response.TOPPING said:
Whatever.HYUFD said:
None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.
It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
What if you do a Theresa May, and we just end up sinking a few pints at 'Spoons and then having a cheeky Nandos?
And then I'd come out and tell you what a wonderful lunch we'd all had.0 -
You just can't spin it any way you want. May was better than Dave and George - but Corbyn was a lot better than Miliband.TheScreamingEagles said:
What about seats?TonyE said:
No, May won more votes:TheScreamingEagles said:
Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.TonyE said:
LabourTheScreamingEagles said:
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.
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For most of the Coalition years it was not even on a CPI basis and not on an RPI basis pre BrexitJonathanD said:
Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to BrexitHYUFD said:
Wage growth was below inflation even before BrexitJonathanD said:.
If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.HYUFD said:
Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.
https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png0 -
Indeed, although elected judges and prosecutors are at state level. Federal judges and US Attorneys (federal prosecutors) are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.TheScreamingEagles said:
America has a weird legal system .Elections for judges and disrict attorneys scare me.rpjs said:
Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.Pulpstar said:US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.
It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
(Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
I remember reading about back in the 50s/60s one of the Alabama gubernatorial elections was won by the candidate who as DAs got the death penalty for an African America who stole a white lady's purse.
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At least UC wasn't trialled in Scotland first.Tissue_Price said:
Would Nicholas Ridley, were he still alive, give them the same advice as an elderly couple unable to afford the poll tax?TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheers.Tissue_Price said:
I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.eek said:
Paging TSE...Mortimer said:
Is that last bit true?TonyE said:Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).
What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
If so, wow.
IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.
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Yes Cameron fought a notably more right-wing campaign in 2015 run by Crosby when he won a majority than he did in the 2010 campaign run by Ossborne when he did notCasino_Royale said:
For someone like me, who flirted with that, it was real red meat like the EU referendum, ongoing migration target and controls, decent defence spending pledges, the fox hunting vote, EVEL, and pledge for a British bill of rights that kept me on board.HYUFD said:
In large part because they promised an EU referendum which kept enough potential defectors to Kippers on board to win a majority after scraping votes from the carcass of the LDsTheScreamingEagles said:
Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.HYUFD said:
None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.TOPPING said:
If my aunt had a ferret...HYUFD said:
Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.Yorkcity said:
The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.TOPPING said:Jezza getting more electable by the week.
If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.
As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
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Already ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
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NZ for me!TheScreamingEagles said:
Already ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
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Bloody hell I didn't realise that May got over two million more votes than the Chuckle Brothers. Put's into perspective their brilliance doesn't it?TonyE said:
No, May won more votes:TheScreamingEagles said:
Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.TonyE said:
LabourTheScreamingEagles said:
So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.TonyE said:Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
No one's been able to answer that question.
Cameron 11.3M
May 13.7M0 -
Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.0
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Time to put Corbyn in a lightbulb.foxinsoxuk said:
NZ for me!TheScreamingEagles said:
Already ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
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No, wage growth was above RPI as well pre-Brexit.HYUFD said:
For most of the Coalition years it was not even on a CPI basis and not on an RPI basis pre BrexitJonathanD said:
Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to BrexitHYUFD said:
Wage growth was below inflation even before BrexitJonathanD said:.
If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.HYUFD said:
Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.
https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png
We're not talking about the coalition years, we're talking about all the extra room for manoeuvre Cameron would have had if Brexit hadn't damaged the economy.
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It'll be totally ineffective this time, the tabloids have been caught exaggerating too much in the past and everyone is onto it now.Casino_Royale said:
Time to put Corbyn in a lightbulb.foxinsoxuk said:
NZ for me!TheScreamingEagles said:
Already ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
I can sit out Brexit in the South Seas...
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A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
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Nope - we'll wait out the stupid old communist until 2022. Bad luck!foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/920630125212917761Pulpstar said:
*Fucked* is the word of the day.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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You’ll need a Brexit deal that keeps the Brexiteers, the pragmatists and the DUP happy... Good luck with that!blueblue said:
Nope - we'll wait out the stupid old communist until 2022. Bad luck!foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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Plus they speak French there too.Casino_Royale said:
A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.
I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.
Just moving some assets out there.0 -
Jacinda Ardern will likely be NZ PM by then on a pretty left-wing platform toofoxinsoxuk said:
NZ for me!TheScreamingEagles said:
Already ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
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June's dustbin wasn't intellectually brilliant enough?Casino_Royale said:
Time to put Corbyn in a lightbulb.foxinsoxuk said:
NZ for me!TheScreamingEagles said:
Already ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
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What 'room for manoeuvre' Osborne made clear he wanted spending as a percentage of GDP to fall to just 35%JonathanD said:
No, wage growth was above RPI as well pre-Brexit.HYUFD said:
For most of the Coalition years it was not even on a CPI basis and not on an RPI basis pre BrexitJonathanD said:
Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to BrexitHYUFD said:
Wage growth was below inflation even before BrexitJonathanD said:.
If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.HYUFD said:
Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.
https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png
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I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus they speak French there too.Casino_Royale said:
A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.
I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.
Just moving some assets out there.0 -
I might be sending my cousin (who lives in New Brunswick) a stack of £50s to put into a Canadian bank account.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus they speak French there too.Casino_Royale said:
A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.
I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.
Just moving some assets out there.
I trust him.0 -
Ed Miliband had bigger leads than that in 2012foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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Yup, they are on the iCloud and google drive.RobD said:
I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus they speak French there too.Casino_Royale said:
A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.
I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.
Just moving some assets out there.0 -
I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.Pulpstar said:Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.
Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.
I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.
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How are you going to feel if Jezza announces he's taking us back into the EU replete with the Euro and Schengen et al to get us out of the Brexit slump?Casino_Royale said:
I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.Pulpstar said:Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.
Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.
I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.
Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.0 -
After being sold a pup by UKIP/Tories, the left-behind are buying another from Corbynfoxinsoxuk said:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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Jezza will have a better lead by Christmas!HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband had bigger leads than that in 2012foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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Their criminal justice system is weirdest of all. Victim witnesses can end up doing more jail time than the perpetrator...TheScreamingEagles said:
America has a weird legal system .Elections for judges and disrict attorneys scare me.rpjs said:
Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.Pulpstar said:US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.
It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
(Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
I remember reading about back in the 50s/60s one of the Alabama gubernatorial elections was won by the candidate who as DAs got the death penalty for an African America who stole a white lady's purse.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-are-prosecutors-putting-innocent-witnesses-in-jail0 -
Hmm, far less grandiose than I had imagined... I had pictured you labouring away like Gandalf in the library at Minas TirithTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, they are on the iCloud and google drive.RobD said:
I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus they speak French there too.Casino_Royale said:
A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.
I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.
Just moving some assets out there.
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I'm more charge of the Rohirrim at Pelenorr Fields.RobD said:
Hmm, far less grandiose than I had imagined... I had pictured you labouring away like Gandalf in the library at Minas TirithTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, they are on the iCloud and google drive.RobD said:
I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus they speak French there too.Casino_Royale said:
A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.FrancisUrquhart said:Starts packing bags for Canada...
No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.
I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.
Just moving some assets out there.0 -
Lol, no way will Europe take us back after a few years of Corbyn.TheScreamingEagles said:
How are you going to feel if Jezza announces he's taking us back into the EU replete with the Euro and Schengen et al to get us out of the Brexit slump?Casino_Royale said:
I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.Pulpstar said:Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.
Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.
I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.
Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.0 -
What were the polls like after the omnishambles?foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/920626343225815040
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A nationalised train. Don't give them the satisfaction.Casino_Royale said:
I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.Pulpstar said:Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.
Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.
I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.
Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.0
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