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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    edited October 2017
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Scott_P said:
    Guardian journalist puffing Labour leader shock.
    She hates Corbyn.
  • HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    edited October 2017

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the irregular Bitcoin discussion, this is another truly excellent article explaining the purpose of crypto currencies:
    https://blog.chain.com/a-letter-to-jamie-dimon-de89d417cb80

    It's kind-of revealing that Jamie Dimon made comments about Bitcoin, but the person trying to make a defence decided to move the conversation to crypto-currencies in general.

    Bitcoin was designed for paying for things, but it's now pretty much a pure speculative ponzi. It's actually worse than a proper ponzi, because as well as late entrants having to pay for gains of early entrants, it's burning vast sums in mining costs just to keep going. The usefulness of Bitcoin for any practical purpose keeps going down, while its price keeps going up thanks to people who believe what they read on Zerohedge. At some point these things have to come back into alignment.
    Why is the usefulness going down?
    There's a capacity limit of a few transactions per second. The original designer of the system intended the limit to be a short-term guard against denial-of-service attacks that would be raised once there was enough legitimate traffic to get close to it, but the home-schooled zerohedge-reading digital-goldbugs currently developing the reference client have decided to keep the limit, and instead scale using other systems that don't yet work.

    Since you have quite a few people wanting to transact to buy some and watch it go up uP UP, this doesn't leave enough room for normal payment transactions. At busy times you have to pay very high fees to transact and you have a hard time getting your transactions through reliably. The result is that people who were accepting payments have mostly either given up accepting crypto-currency or switched to a competing system.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    Um.... didn't they do just that by promising a referendum on leaving the EU?
  • HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    Um.... didn't they do just that by promising a referendum on leaving the EU?
    12.6% is what UKIP polled in 2015 = Tory majority

    1.8% is what UKIP polled in 2017 = No Tory majority.
  • TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,226

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    Um.... didn't they do just that by promising a referendum on leaving the EU?
    +1000
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,956

    Nigelb said:

    Continuing the irregular Bitcoin discussion, this is another truly excellent article explaining the purpose of crypto currencies:
    https://blog.chain.com/a-letter-to-jamie-dimon-de89d417cb80

    It's kind-of revealing that Jamie Dimon made comments about Bitcoin, but the person trying to make a defence decided to move the conversation to crypto-currencies in general.

    Bitcoin was designed for paying for things, but it's now pretty much a pure speculative ponzi. It's actually worse than a proper ponzi, because as well as late entrants having to pay for gains of early entrants, it's burning vast sums in mining costs just to keep going. The usefulness of Bitcoin for any practical purpose keeps going down, while its price keeps going up thanks to people who believe what they read on Zerohedge. At some point these things have to come back into alignment.
    The article isn't a 'defence' of crypto currencies - still less of their current value.
    It is, however, an excellent explanation of their design and purpose - particularly in what differentiates them from existing payment (and other) systems - and is absolutely explicit that their real value is entirely unpredictable at this point.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited October 2017

    Uh oh

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

    The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.
    Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.

    That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.
  • Uh oh

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

    The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?
    President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.
  • Pulpstar said:

    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.

    IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?
  • Uh oh

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

    The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?
    President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.
    It is like he can't go to bed each night unless he has started a shit storm.

    The John McCain comments were only what yesterday, or the day before. Watch out old man, who is dying of a terminal illness, I fight back.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,715
    tlg86 said:

    Well this is an interesting problem for the government:

    https://tinyurl.com/yb6sclbm

    A Tory MP is set to miss a debate and vote on welfare policy because he will be running the line at a Champions League football tie in Barcelona.

    Douglas Ross has been listed as assistant referee at the Camp Nou stadium for Wednesday night's match against Greek side Olympiacos.

    The game kicks off at 7.45pm UK time – 45 minutes after MPs at Westminster are expected to vote on a Labour motion calling for the controversial rollout of universal credit to be postponed.

    That is your Scottish Tories for you , they said they would work tirelessly in Scotland's interests, this proves they are keeping to their word as ever.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    But Brexit is already causing havoc. And it will get much worse before it gets better - if it ever does. Nothing Corbyn is likely to do will damage the economy as much as Brexit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    edited October 2017
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
  • Uh oh

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

    The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?
    President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.
    It is like he can't go to bed each night unless he has started a shit storm.

    The John McCain comments were only what yesterday, or the day before. Watch out old man, who is dying of a terminal illness, I fight back.
    The Republican Senator who said the White House is like an adult day care centre got it spot on.

    As did my friend who said Trump is a man child.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,715

    tlg86 said:

    Well this is an interesting problem for the government:

    https://tinyurl.com/yb6sclbm

    A Tory MP is set to miss a debate and vote on welfare policy because he will be running the line at a Champions League football tie in Barcelona.

    Douglas Ross has been listed as assistant referee at the Camp Nou stadium for Wednesday night's match against Greek side Olympiacos.

    The game kicks off at 7.45pm UK time – 45 minutes after MPs at Westminster are expected to vote on a Labour motion calling for the controversial rollout of universal credit to be postponed.

    the absence of Mr Ross suggests that Tory whips have adopted a relaxed approach and could mean the Conservatives repeat the ploy they used to avoid a potential rebellion in previous Labour-led debates in the Commons by abstaining en masse....

    A spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives said: "There will be many Scottish Conservative representatives in this debate.

    "Douglas has held more than 50 surgeries since becoming an MP and has met personally with (Work and Pensions Secretary) David Gauke to discuss local cases which have arisen from those.

    "Despite what the SNP thinks, the people of Moray are right behind Douglas and his refereeing, as they showed decisively when they elected him as their MP just a few months ago."
    LOL, 50 more than teh great windbag for sure , but it shows perfectly where his interests lie, usual Tory , me first and F*** the plebs.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,880
    edited October 2017

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.
    Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.

    That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.
    If older people vote Tory, who has been teaching the young that the Tories are baby-eating bastards, intent on gtrinding down the poor.
    I certainly didn’t. My opponent is as honourable as myself etc etc.
    That most of my children and those grandchildfren who can vote don’t vote Tory is due to their innate good sense.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    edited October 2017

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    In large part because they promised an EU referendum which kept enough potential defectors to Kippers on board to win a majority after scraping votes from the carcass of the LDs
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    .
    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.

    Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,715

    Pong said:

    FF43 said:

    Scott_P said:
    You have a seriously screwy mobile package if you are paying 55p per minute to call 0345 numbers. Presumably you pay the same to call landlines. So fair does to Corbyn for point scored, but Universal Credit has problems that have nothing to do with call charges.
    You'll find the 55p/min charges on crappy pay as you go tarrifs, mainly. UC applicants are way more likely not to be able to get credit/contracts, so rely on the crappy pay as you go tariffs. They're also way more likely to not have easy access to (and confidence on) the internet.

    The system is designed to be as cheap as possible for the taxpayer.

    It's the tory way.

    F*ck the poor.
    You really should stop trolling.

    You do realise Labour rejected freephone numbers for benefit hotlines when they were in government.
    That makes it any better that the Nasty party kept them. Only one troll here , clue its the daft Tory one.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    It is supposed to be paid in arrears, therefore mimicking the wait for pay when you take up a job.
    That is the rationale.
    However, any employer worth their salt will give you an advance.
    You also used to be able to claim run-on benefits to tide you over.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,715
    calum said:
    No publicity for her big mush in it
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.
    Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.

    That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.
    If older people vote Tory, who has been teaching the young that the Tories are baby-eating bastards, intent on gtrinding down the poor.
    I certainly didn’t. My opponent is as honourable as myself etc etc.
    That most of my children and those grandchildfren who can vote don’t vote Tory is due to their innate good sense.
    The education system, social media and the BBC are relentlessly anti-Tory. I suspect that has a greater effect than what their "bigoted" parents think.
  • TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611

    Uh oh

    twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920611770775064576

    The world of Trump outrage moves so fast. What has he supposed to have said now?
    President Trump called the families of troops who lost their lives in the Niger raid. Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson says he told the widow of Sergeant La David Johnson, "He knew what he signed up for." She talks to CNN's Don Lemon about the call.
    It is like he can't go to bed each night unless he has started a shit storm.

    The John McCain comments were only what yesterday, or the day before. Watch out old man, who is dying of a terminal illness, I fight back.
    The Republican Senator who said the White House is like an adult day care centre got it spot on.

    As did my friend who said Trump is a man child.
    Except a man child with a billion dollars and his finger on the nuclear button
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,956
    edited October 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.

    Because they are not state courts - rather the trial courts for the federal system:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_district_court

    (edit - it's analogous to the transatlantic confusion between 'public', 'private' and 'state' schools...)
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    It doesn't matter whether what you say is true or false. It will only be believed if you have a good reputation for competence. The Tories have a thrown their's away thanks to Brexit.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    JonathanD said:
    He keeps going on about a billion quid whilst promising to pull half a trillion out his arse. The man is a lunatic.
    This attack doesn't work if the Cons give up their reputation for economic competence. Which they have.
    Yeah well whether the Tories have a good record or not doesn't stop Corbyn being an innumerate chancer.

    Most of the stuff about the Tories is just froth compared to the havoc that he's going to cause to the economy.
    Not according to a large number of people in the country. And the better his public appearances are the more that number will grow.
    Well yeah he might well get in, the young have been taught since birth that the Tories are evil and you can vote for more free stuff without suffering any consequences. They'll vote for him on mass I suspect.

    That doesn't mean I can't criticise Corbyn on here though for his mental economic ideas and hypocrisy.
    Go for it but we are also supposed to be aware of the political dynamic and the context which he is operating in.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,778
    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    Paging TSE...
  • HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    Since when is listening to legitimate worries of voters pandering?

    I've no wonder those two clowns (thankfully) lost the referendum with an attitude like that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    edited October 2017
    JonathanD said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.

    Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.

    Wage growth was below inflation even before Brexit and it was Osborne who insisted on the 6 week wait for Universal Credit, it was Osborne who set the interest rate for student fee repayments, it was Osborne who introduced the public sector pay cap and it was Osborne who insisted spending as a percentage of GDP should fall to just 35%.

    It was of course Blair who failed to introduce transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries in 2004 which was a key reason for the Leave vote in the first place.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2017

    Pulpstar said:

    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.

    IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.
    Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.

    It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.

    It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
    (Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
    So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he did
  • eek said:

    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    Paging TSE...
    I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.

    IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.

    The 6 week delay is for new claimants.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938

    TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
    Labour
  • rpjs said:

    Pulpstar said:

    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.

    IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.
    Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.

    It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.

    It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
    (Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
    America has a weird legal system .Elections for judges and disrict attorneys scare me.

    I remember reading about back in the 50s/60s one of the Alabama gubernatorial elections was won by the candidate who as DAs got the death penalty for an African America who stole a white lady's purse.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    HYUFD said:

    JonathanD said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.

    Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.

    Wage growth was below inflation even before Brexit
    Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to Brexit

    https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png

  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    dixiedean said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    It is supposed to be paid in arrears, therefore mimicking the wait for pay when you take up a job.
    That is the rationale.
    However, any employer worth their salt will give you an advance.
    You also used to be able to claim run-on benefits to tide you over.
    OK, that makes sense, but then the six week period seems too long- very rarely would anyone have a pay gap of more than a month, and if they did surely they would be unemployed under the old system and be entitled to Unemployment Benefit?
  • TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
    Labour
    Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
    So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he did
    You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    It was in a reply here this morning, so I probably shouldn't have quoted it here without fact checking it, it may have been a mistaken proposition.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
    So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he did
    You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.
    You've set expectations pretty high with your ideal pb lunch, to be fair.

    What if you do a Theresa May, and we just end up sinking a few pints at 'Spoons and then having a cheeky Nandos?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    eek said:

    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    Paging TSE...
    I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.

    IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.

    The 6 week delay is for new claimants.
    I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    TonyE said:

    dixiedean said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    It is supposed to be paid in arrears, therefore mimicking the wait for pay when you take up a job.
    That is the rationale.
    However, any employer worth their salt will give you an advance.
    You also used to be able to claim run-on benefits to tide you over.
    OK, that makes sense, but then the six week period seems too long- very rarely would anyone have a pay gap of more than a month, and if they did surely they would be unemployed under the old system and be entitled to Unemployment Benefit?
    Indeed. What can I say? The 6 weeks unfortunately can mean eviction. 2 months missed payments can trigger this. Your rent can obviously easily fall due twice in the 6 weeks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
    So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he did
    You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.
    He still lost and won fewer seats than Blair and Kinnock 1992.

    The fact he was a better leader than Brown and Ed Miliband and won more seats than they did is not saying all that much
  • eek said:

    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    Paging TSE...
    I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.

    IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.

    The 6 week delay is for new claimants.
    I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.
    Cheers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
    So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he did
    You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.
    You've set expectations pretty high with your ideal pb lunch, to be fair.

    What if you do a Theresa May, and we just end up sinking a few pints at 'Spoons and then having a cheeky Nandos?
    I would be the only one allowed to order, and then I'd go into another room with my special advisers to have the lunch I described while the waiter brought you all spag bol and lukewarm tap water.

    And then I'd come out and tell you what a wonderful lunch we'd all had.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938

    TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
    Labour
    Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.
    No, May won more votes:
    Cameron 11.3M
    May 13.7M
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    In large part because they promised an EU referendum which kept enough potential defectors to Kippers on board to win a majority after scraping votes from the carcass of the LDs
    For someone like me, who flirted with that, it was real red meat like the EU referendum, ongoing migration target and controls, decent defence spending pledges, the fox hunting vote, EVEL, and pledge for a British bill of rights that kept me on board.

    Miliband offered none of that.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    eek said:

    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    Paging TSE...
    I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.

    IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.

    The 6 week delay is for new claimants.
    I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.
    Cheers.
    Would Nicholas Ridley, were he still alive, give them the same advice as an elderly couple unable to afford the poll tax?
  • TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
    Labour
    Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.
    No, May won more votes:
    Cameron 11.3M
    May 13.7M
    What about seats?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    *Fucked* is the word of the day.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None of that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Whatever.

    I don't know why you are wasting your time on shoulda woulda coulda and ignoring what is in front of you.
    Well thankyou for that factless response.

    The fact is Corbyn is riding a wave of resentment at the moment over austerity and big business, which is global and still a legacy of the 2008 Crash.

    It is not his brilliant qualities as a leader as much as exploiting the mood he is good at.
    ie his brilliant qualities as a leader.
    So brilliant May won 60 more seats than he did
    You're kidding, right? She did atrociously (but yes won the GE) and he did amazingly, relative to, say, your expectations. Everything is relative.
    You've set expectations pretty high with your ideal pb lunch, to be fair.

    What if you do a Theresa May, and we just end up sinking a few pints at 'Spoons and then having a cheeky Nandos?
    I would be the only one allowed to order, and then I'd go into another room with my special advisers to have the lunch I described while the waiter brought you all spag bol and lukewarm tap water.

    And then I'd come out and tell you what a wonderful lunch we'd all had.
    Hahaha! All in it together.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938

    TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
    Labour
    Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.
    No, May won more votes:
    Cameron 11.3M
    May 13.7M
    What about seats?
    You just can't spin it any way you want. May was better than Dave and George - but Corbyn was a lot better than Miliband.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JonathanD said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.

    Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.

    Wage growth was below inflation even before Brexit
    Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to Brexit

    https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png

    For most of the Coalition years it was not even on a CPI basis and not on an RPI basis pre Brexit
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2017

    rpjs said:

    Pulpstar said:

    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.

    IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.
    Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.

    It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.

    It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
    (Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
    America has a weird legal system .Elections for judges and disrict attorneys scare me.

    I remember reading about back in the 50s/60s one of the Alabama gubernatorial elections was won by the candidate who as DAs got the death penalty for an African America who stole a white lady's purse.
    Indeed, although elected judges and prosecutors are at state level. Federal judges and US Attorneys (federal prosecutors) are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.
  • Starts packing bags for Canada...
  • eek said:

    Mortimer said:

    TonyE said:

    Can someone explain to me please, because I don't have any experience of claiming benefit since the early 90's as I have been largely self employed and therefore have taken little notice of the system through ineligibility (even when stony broke).

    What was the objective for a Six week gap between claim and receipt of first payment under Universal Credit - and why did the Chancellor at the time insist on it?

    Is that last bit true?

    If so, wow.
    Paging TSE...
    I'm not George Osborne's representative on PB.

    IIRC It was designed by IDS who thought that's how long it would take to ensure people weren't paid the wrong the benefits.

    The 6 week delay is for new claimants.
    I've read it is (at least partly) to reflect the nature of getting paid when you start a new job. Which does seem a bit otherworldly.
    Cheers.
    Would Nicholas Ridley, were he still alive, give them the same advice as an elderly couple unable to afford the poll tax?
    At least UC wasn't trialled in Scotland first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    Corbyn won the 2016 local elections, he lost the 2017 local and general elections.

    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If my aunt had a ferret...

    Your ifs are irrelevant. We are looking at a credible PM in waiting as far as a large number of voters is concerned.
    None if that disputes my point, if Cameron and Osborne were still in power we would still have zero hours contracts, the public sector pay cap, high student fees interest, lengthy waits for universal credit ie everything Corbyn is attacking the Tories on today.

    Cameron and Osborne would not have made the dementia tax mistake but then they would not have won as many voters from UKIP as May either.

    As I have said before if Corbyn wins it will be on the same anti austerity and anti big business mood as had driven Syriza and is driving Melenchon, Bernie Sanders, Podemos, Jacinda Ardern etc
    Dave and George proved you don't need to win a majority by pandering to Kippers.
    In large part because they promised an EU referendum which kept enough potential defectors to Kippers on board to win a majority after scraping votes from the carcass of the LDs
    For someone like me, who flirted with that, it was real red meat like the EU referendum, ongoing migration target and controls, decent defence spending pledges, the fox hunting vote, EVEL, and pledge for a British bill of rights that kept me on board.

    Miliband offered none of that.
    Yes Cameron fought a notably more right-wing campaign in 2015 run by Crosby when he won a majority than he did in the 2010 campaign run by Ossborne when he did not
  • Starts packing bags for Canada...

    Already ahead of you.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    Already ahead of you.
    NZ for me!

    I can sit out Brexit in the South Seas...
  • TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    TonyE said:

    Err...wasn't that what calling the referendum was, pandering to the Kippers who wanted to leave (as well as keeping disaffected Tories on board who might have been tempted to leave for UKIP because the Conservatives were anything but?)

    So explain to me why the Kipper share went up nearly 10% in 2015 and the Tories won a majority but in 2017 the Kipper share went down by around 10% and the Tories didn't win a majority.

    No one's been able to answer that question.
    Labour
    Or the more obvious answer, Dave and George's brilliance.
    No, May won more votes:
    Cameron 11.3M
    May 13.7M
    Bloody hell I didn't realise that May got over two million more votes than the Chuckle Brothers. Put's into perspective their brilliance doesn't it?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    Already ahead of you.
    NZ for me!

    I can sit out Brexit in the South Seas...
    Time to put Corbyn in a lightbulb.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    HYUFD said:

    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JonathanD said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.

    Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.

    Wage growth was below inflation even before Brexit
    Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to Brexit

    https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png

    For most of the Coalition years it was not even on a CPI basis and not on an RPI basis pre Brexit
    No, wage growth was above RPI as well pre-Brexit.

    We're not talking about the coalition years, we're talking about all the extra room for manoeuvre Cameron would have had if Brexit hadn't damaged the economy.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    Already ahead of you.
    NZ for me!

    I can sit out Brexit in the South Seas...
    Time to put Corbyn in a lightbulb.
    It'll be totally ineffective this time, the tabloids have been caught exaggerating too much in the past and everyone is onto it now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUbtbjJaVnI
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    Nope - we'll wait out the stupid old communist until 2022. Bad luck!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,823
    blueblue said:

    Nope - we'll wait out the stupid old communist until 2022. Bad luck!
    You’ll need a Brexit deal that keeps the Brexiteers, the pragmatists and the DUP happy... Good luck with that!
  • Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
    Plus they speak French there too.

    A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.

    I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.

    Just moving some assets out there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    Already ahead of you.
    NZ for me!

    I can sit out Brexit in the South Seas...
    Jacinda Ardern will likely be NZ PM by then on a pretty left-wing platform too
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    Already ahead of you.
    NZ for me!

    I can sit out Brexit in the South Seas...
    Time to put Corbyn in a lightbulb.
    June's dustbin wasn't intellectually brilliant enough?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    edited October 2017
    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    JonathanD said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    Yorkcity said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jezza getting more electable by the week.

    The contrast with 2 years ago is remarkable.
    If Cameron and Osborne had narrowly won the EU referendum Corbyn would be hitting them on austerity too while UKIP would still be a force snapping at the Tories heels
    If Cameron had won the EuroRef we would be seeing much higher economic growth and wage growth would be higher than inflation rather than being below it. Government income would also be higher meaning spending could be higher and negatives like Universal Credit could be dealt with.

    Instead the Government is borrowing billions more to pay for Brexit, and forcing real term income cuts on workers. Not to mention being so absorbed by Brexit that they don't have time to deal with any of the country's real problems.

    Wage growth was below inflation even before Brexit
    Wage growth was higher than inflation prior to Brexit

    https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/uk-real-wags-07-17.png

    For most of the Coalition years it was not even on a CPI basis and not on an RPI basis pre Brexit
    No, wage growth was above RPI as well pre-Brexit.

    We're not talking about the coalition years, we're talking about all the extra room for manoeuvre Cameron would have had if Brexit hadn't damaged the economy.
    What 'room for manoeuvre' Osborne made clear he wanted spending as a percentage of GDP to fall to just 35%
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
    Plus they speak French there too.

    A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.

    I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.

    Just moving some assets out there.
    I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
    Plus they speak French there too.

    A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.

    I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.

    Just moving some assets out there.
    I might be sending my cousin (who lives in New Brunswick) a stack of £50s to put into a Canadian bank account.

    I trust him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,611
    Ed Miliband had bigger leads than that in 2012
  • RobD said:

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
    Plus they speak French there too.

    A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.

    I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.

    Just moving some assets out there.
    I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?
    Yup, they are on the iCloud and google drive.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,230
    Pulpstar said:

    Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.

    I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.

    Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.

    I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.

    Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.

    I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.

    Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.

    I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.

    Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.
    How are you going to feel if Jezza announces he's taking us back into the EU replete with the Euro and Schengen et al to get us out of the Brexit slump?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,397
    After being sold a pup by UKIP/Tories, the left-behind are buying another from Corbyn
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Ed Miliband had bigger leads than that in 2012
    Jezza will have a better lead by Christmas!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,956

    rpjs said:

    Pulpstar said:

    US law is bloody weird, I don't get how 'district' judges seem to have remit over the entire country.

    IIRC They are part of the federal system, so what they do sets precedent for the whole country.
    Not exactly. It’s quite common for similar cases to result in divergent rulings in different judicial districts and circuits, in which case it’s up to the next court up district > circuit > SCOTUS to decide which to go with.

    It is possble for SCOTUS to decline to make a decsion in which case the precedent in one circuit will be different from another. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen.

    It’s not as big a deal as you mght think because usually judges are apponted that broadly match the character of their district / circuit, so if a liberal precedent happens to be set in a liberal area, but an opposing precedent is set in a more conservative area, everyone’s happy.
    (Ha ha jk of course they’re not, this is America!)
    America has a weird legal system .Elections for judges and disrict attorneys scare me.

    I remember reading about back in the 50s/60s one of the Alabama gubernatorial elections was won by the candidate who as DAs got the death penalty for an African America who stole a white lady's purse.
    Their criminal justice system is weirdest of all. Victim witnesses can end up doing more jail time than the perpetrator...
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-are-prosecutors-putting-innocent-witnesses-in-jail
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138

    RobD said:

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
    Plus they speak French there too.

    A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.

    I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.

    Just moving some assets out there.
    I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?
    Yup, they are on the iCloud and google drive.
    Hmm, far less grandiose than I had imagined... I had pictured you labouring away like Gandalf in the library at Minas Tirith :D
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Starts packing bags for Canada...

    A country much smaller than ours, its trade dominated by its much larger next-door neighbour, but which still manages to operate its own customs border, immigration control, and regulatory regime, whilst having a great reputation on the global stage, and one of the highest HDI scores in the world.

    No wonder so many want to Canada-entry.
    Plus they speak French there too.

    A whole load of people I can insult in their own language.

    I'm not actually moving overseas, I'm staying in the UK.

    Just moving some assets out there.
    I assume the AV research archives are being moved for safekeeping?
    Yup, they are on the iCloud and google drive.
    Hmm, far less grandiose than I had imagined... I had pictured you labouring away like Gandalf in the library at Minas Tirith :D
    I'm more charge of the Rohirrim at Pelenorr Fields.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633

    Pulpstar said:

    Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.

    I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.

    Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.

    I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.

    Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.
    How are you going to feel if Jezza announces he's taking us back into the EU replete with the Euro and Schengen et al to get us out of the Brexit slump?
    Lol, no way will Europe take us back after a few years of Corbyn.
  • What were the polls like after the omnishambles?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,110

    Pulpstar said:

    Wusses. I'm riding out hurricane Jezza in Sheffield, and am currently trying to spring two rungs up the housing ladder.

    I think a large number of us on here are going to hate every minute of it.

    Hell, I didn't even like Blair that much.

    I might just shut myself off from the world for 5 years - and start taking anti-depressants - lest I throw myself in front of a train.

    Oh, and start homebrew. A lot of homebrew.
    A nationalised train. Don't give them the satisfaction.
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