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Good questioning of TMay by @IainDale getting TMay to refuse 3 times to say she'd vote for Brexit.https://t.co/5DH4ZqO2lb
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What would of course be useful is a non hypothetical question to May and Corbyn - hands on a bible Theresa and Jeremy how did you actually vote on 23 June 2016? Did they say one thing and vote another?
I happily campaigned and voted for Leave, and have no regrets about it. But, I'm not expecting that people on the other side of the argument should now hold up their hands and say they were wrong. People have their pride.
There are plenty of political issues where one is beaten, still thinks that one was right to vote the way one did, but still accepts the majority verdict.
If she can't see the positives from Brexit, she should not be PM.
May is utterly hopeless at politics. TSE, you are a prophet...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41570266
None but the most stupid would imagine she would - or should - have changed her mind on this. Are any Tory MPs really quite that imbecilic ?
A face-saving way has to be created for us to get out of this mess.
Apart from the economics, the main impediment is actually organisation. I think it will take a good five years for Britain to be ready to be on its own. And billions have to be spent to create that infrastructure [ hardware, software, land, buildings etc. ]. I am not talking about doing fancy trade deals. It would make very little difference in the short run. After all, we trade with half the world today on WTO terms.
It is the changeover from the other 50% that will take time, money and effort.
https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/917830209503682568
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
LEMAIN
Viva Cataluña. Viva el Rey. Viva España!
This is astonishing. By stripping away normal employment rights from some of the lowest paid workers in the economy, Deliveroo recon they've managed to cut £1 off the cost of every delivery.
It was after all what Boris wanted
What may be irrational to him may be perfectly rational to others.
Forget the low pay argument, this is rancid stuff - We'd love to skip national insurance at my business too. Our parent co could take it in dividend, it could be distributed as annual staff profit share, kept in the reserves or given as a pay rise to the employees.
These "gig" companies should pay their dues.
He has spent his life showing that people behave irrationally all the time. He does not necessarily see that as a bad thing.
Too much of big business has disgraced itself.
All she needed to say was, "If a referendum was held, now - and it is a hypothetical question, Iain, because we're not going to have one as I'm focused on getting on and delivering the mandate the British people gave the Government last year - of course I would vote to support the Government's current policy of getting on and making a success of Brexit."
But, she didn't.
She risks here looking like she still would vote Remain and she is reluctantly implementing what she secretly thinks is the wrong decision.
This is what the Remain side failed to understand prior to Brexit and the Remoaners are failing to understand afterwards. For many people, perhaps most, there are things in life that are more important than simple monetary balance sheets.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/10/obr-uk-productivity-philip-hammond-brexit-transition
It must have been a coincidence that the OBR's optimistic forecasts matched so closely with George Osborne's requirements.
I like this part:
' Even after a 40% rise from the post-crisis low, business investment today is just 5% above its pre-crisis peak almost a decade ago. This contrasts with the decades that followed the 1980s and 1990s recessions, when investment was 63% and 30% higher than the pre-recession peaks respectively. '
Whoever would have thought that a coffee shop and carwash economy based on the cheapest possible workforce would have weak business investment.
There is a place for referendums in democracy, but they do not supplant it.
Plenty of pb tories are anti May and anti Brexit, Corbyn would love to read this site. He understands that the Conservative Party stands for nothing.
Once the referendum was given it has to be respected, or democracy fails.
edit - to add that Richard Tyndall expresses it well at 9:12.
It says he said Brexit was a example of a "large numbers of people making a decision not based on economic self-interest", and it was based on a "gut" feeling where the financials are to be worked out later. A bit like a divorce.
That's subtly different from saying it's "completely irrational", which would only stack up if you were to believe that the only rational political decisions were ones in your economic self-interest, and financially based.
All well within his brief, but all quietly and competently clocking achievements, and looking forward.
I suspect that might be the problem.
Actually given the way MPs act in the interests of their party and themselves these days rather than in the interests of their constituents I would like to see us move much more to a Swiss model where far more things are decided directly by referendums. If MPs will not represent us properly - and they never will as long as the whips are there telling them how to vote - then they have no further useful purpose.
I would not wish to live in a society like Brunei, despite it being twice as rich as my own.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/
Democracy: MPs voting for popular policies I agree with
Populism: MPs voting for popular policies I don't agree with.
Not because of an ideological commitment to socialism, but because so much of the corporate sector has behaved appallingly.
I support democracy.
You support populism.
They are being charged with acts against the constitution...
If we had proportional representation we'd mostly remove the problem of people being represented by the wrong MPs.
What perplexes me is the number of people who think that a referendum is somehow synonymous with democracy, or even some extremely pure form of it. It's nothing of the sort, and even in its more appropriate uses it is still government by populism, which is of course highly flawed, as Brexit itself well illustrates.
Option 1Out:
has a lot of disadvantages. In the long term it could work out. As Scott is misremembering, Remain were postulating that GDP may be or 2% down in 30 years (or some such nonsense).
Option 2 Stay:
has a lot of disadvantages. An outsider fighting every battle, not really in, out of the Euro and central project. Potentially greater marginalisation as the hmanisation goes ahead. A truly awful position. In addition the EU would become less democratic, as the demos is too fractured and disparate to be governed democratically.
The choice was to vote for the least wrong option. Neither are worth an emotional attachment and the fanaticism that is displayed as both are fundamentally flawed.
That is why referendums are necessary so the people actually get a voice against the elite.
By the way, I assume you will tell Switzerland their system of democracy is a disaster. Be sure to point out why they are so much worse off than we are since apparently you think that to be the case.
The historians on here will no doubt point out a greater political misjudgement but none springs to mind. I can't see some on here ever recovering.
It seems you like democracy on your terms.
Whether it was sensible for a Government to tie itself to such a stark commitment is another matter, but tied to it we are, and trying to reverse out now is unlikely to do any good, even if it were possible.
I am glad you liked it.
My first term would be for 12 to 15 years, and elections every 10 years thereafter.
I mean how many people ignored the merits of AV just to give Clegg a kicking.