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By election losses might still pose a threat to this minority Tory Govt. Even 3 losses would effectively reduce its working majority to 7 and there might come a point when the DUP would not wish to be seen to be propping up an obviously unpopular Government.DeClare said:
Yes and I can't see it anytime before that date. Full term would take us up late June 2022 but given that the London council elections are scheduled for the first Thursday in May it'll almost certainly be on the same day.justin124 said:Well we have now reached the 6.25% mark of this Parliament if Polling Day remains scheduled for 5th May 2022!
Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act which the current government has no desire to repeal there are two ways to effect an earlier election.
1, A two-thirds majority in the HOC, but given what happened last time I doubt the Tories would risk that again and
2. A vote of no confidence in the government, which is not rescinded within 14 days, in which case the speaker will inform The Queen who will call the election whether the government wanted one or not.
Sinn Fein don't take their seats so the government has a majority of three, if the Democratic Unionists don't vote against them, I can't imagine the DUP voting with Corbyn's Labour and It would be a tall order to get the combined opposition together anyway. some of the SNP members are not as left wing as most people think and a few might manage to be absent on the night.
So it would take defections, what kind of Tory would line up with Corbyn? or By-election losses, at least half a dozen needed and I just can't see that happening in the next 4 1/2 years, despite all the hullaballoo at Brighton.
On topic though, Theresa Mat will go quietly when the men in grey suits come for her, this year or next.
I also suspect that the changed Parliamentary arithmetic would make it more difficult for the PM to call an early election under the FTA. Unlike last April it would no longer be certain that an alternative Government would fail to win a Confidence Vote in the Commons.0 -
What is the point in building 100,000 houses a year, if Corbyn wants to have open borders? It will need to be massively more than that.Winstanley said:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto2017/secure-homes-for-allSandpit said:
And do we think Corbyn will be building houses to buy, or houses for the council to rent out?Winstanley said:
Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.glw said:
One of the things I find most perplexing about Corbynism is the way that his ardent supporters don't seem to follow through on the implication of some of his policies. The things that young people like most would be non-viable or stifled in a Corbyn led Britain.FrancisUrquhart said:Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.
Achievable? Dunno. Labour clearly understand the problem better than oldies on here going 'they have uber why are they whinging when I was a lad we didn't have uber'-1 -
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!0 -
Hmmm. I live in a new development (the first houses were built about twenty years ago). Generally I'd say the development has been a success and *is* a community, although it hasn't been easy or cheap to get there. Much of the work was done by the design of the development, before any muck was shifted.nichomar said:
It is very difficult to build communities, take the pub on a new estate, it doent succeed people want established venues not modern pubs. The shopping centres don't work because people go to tescos every fridat. You don't know your next door neighbour and don't want to, the only instituation that brings some people together is the local primary school. Tradditional villages in places like somerset are taken over by second home owners who turn uo on Friday night with a boot full of food and booze, they walk their dogs and wonder at the beautiful countryside. But add nothing to either village life or the community. Something went wrong along they way which made us more selfish and insular. Maybe Thatcher?JosiasJessop said:
God, no. Building good-quality houses (and the associated infrastructure) should be the first priority. Far too many houses are being thrown up, poorly built and without adequate local infrastructure.HYUFD said:Quite possibly but getting first time buyers into a new build is the first priority
We need to build communities, not houses.
Sadly, I look at newer developments and see what I think are mistakes; they're regressing in bids to get as many houses on an area as possible.0 -
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service0 -
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal0 -
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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I would love to find something in corbyn that gives me faithbin his view of the furure, i would love the tories to start addressing the real problems we face but the are bith total failures where do we go next?0
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Conservatives who go on about Venezuela and Communism are missing the point. They would do better to focus on criticising what he is actually proposing rather than what they think he might do.
Corbyn isn't offering that - he's offering public ownership of utilities and no student fees. As the economist noted - that wouldn't raise eyebrows in Europe. Indeed for a free market publication they came dangerously close to endorsing him over Theresa May in this piece:
https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21729431-labour-track-rule-britain-who-rules-labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-britains-most0 -
No - also many people who adhere to a strong sense of Christian decency!MarqueeMark said:
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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According to that manifesto, they want to:Winstanley said:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto2017/secure-homes-for-allSandpit said:
And do we think Corbyn will be building houses to buy, or houses for the council to rent out?Winstanley said:
Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.glw said:
One of the things I find most perplexing about Corbynism is the way that his ardent supporters don't seem to follow through on the implication of some of his policies. The things that young people like most would be non-viable or stifled in a Corbyn led Britain.FrancisUrquhart said:Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.
Achievable? Dunno. Labour clearly understand the problem better than oldies on here going 'they have uber why are they whinging when I was a lad we didn't have uber'
Extend Help toSellBuy, which has done more than anything else to keep house prices high.
End the right to buy your council house.
Reinstate housing benefit for under 21s
Building 100k council and housing association homes to rent or buy.
Making new houses bigger
Reserving 4000 homes for homeless people.
There’s precisely nothing there at all which will help young people in the most expensive areas afford to buy their own home, in fact most of the policies will restrict the availability of housing stock.
Edit: and nothing on immigration, which is what’s fuelling the demand in London right now.0 -
I know that Justin - the left have such a hatred for her shows how successful she wasjustin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service0 -
The Republic's leadership has also noticed the obvious. That the DUP has seriously overreached it's self. We're teetering on the brink of Unionism moving from an absolute majority in NI to being a large plurality. The DUP is responding to this historic shift by doubling down. Taking NI out of Europe against it's will and participating in a Westminster government. This is understandable in psychological terms. We often rage against loss of vigour by extreme youthful behaviour. But the Republic is entitled to it's view that an historic shift is going on and the DUP has actually poured petrol on it. Playing a long game is understandable.0
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But over time she did more than anyone to toxify the Tory party . Under her it became the Nasty party - the party of selfishness and 'I am all right Jack'. Perhaps the wheel has now turned full circle and we can look forward to a period of DeThatcherisation!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I know that Justin - the left have such a hatred for her shows how successful she wasjustin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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I am a Christian Justin and adhere to Christian decencyjustin124 said:
No - also many people who adhere to a strong sense of Christian decency!MarqueeMark said:
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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It is MiFID II legislation
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It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the slightly more public friendly manifesto stuff. If anybody really believes only people on over £80k will pay more tax in corbyistan are just deluded.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
There are relatively few Tory clergymen these days - and very few indeed who could be labelled Thatcherite in their views.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am a Christian Justin and adhere to Christian decencyjustin124 said:
No - also many people who adhere to a strong sense of Christian decency!MarqueeMark said:
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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It was Deng Xiaoping who really shifted China away from Communism more towards the market after Mao's death in 1976 (Mao was more an industrial Communist).Winstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal
'GDP per capita in China in 1970 was 111.0 US dollars, ranked 160th in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Benin (111.0 US dollars),
GDP per capita in China in 2015 was equal to 8 109.0 US dollars, ranked 92nd in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Lebanon (8 571.0 US dollars)'
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A few years of devaluations and inflation under Corbyn, and £80k will be barely minimum wage!FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the slightly more public friendly manifesto stuff. If anybody really believes only people on over £80k will pay more tax in corbyistan are just deluded.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
Everybody paid the increase in VAT from 8% to 20% under the ToriesFrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the slightly more public friendly manifesto stuff. If anybody really believes only people on over £80k will pay more tax in corbyistan are just deluded.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
I think if you consult your confessor, rector, minister or whoever, they will tell you that labelling others "the AntiChrist" is not the behaviour of a decent Christian, and makes you look as mad as a meat axe.justin124 said:
No - also many people who adhere to a strong sense of Christian decency!MarqueeMark said:
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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Simplist way to reduce debt and real house prices is to let inflation ripSandpit said:
A few years of devaluations and inflation under Corbyn, and £80k will be barely minimum wage!FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the slightly more public friendly manifesto stuff. If anybody really believes only people on over £80k will pay more tax in corbyistan are just deluded.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.
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"Helped by Tory divisions, Corbyn has consolidated his position since the election. Voters have hardly recoiled on realising how close to power he is. Instead, Labour is still polling at 40 per cent or above.
Yet some Conservatives confidently claim that we have already passed ‘Peak Corbyn’. One of those who ran the Tory campaign argues that next time, voters will take the prospect of him winning more seriously. So they’ll be far more worried about what he would mean for their family finances, the risk of a run on the pound and all the other chaos that he could bring. They also argue that at the last election, people felt it was safe to vote Labour to back a local candidate, or to stick two fingers up at the Tories, as there was so little chance of Corbyn reaching No. 10. That too will be different next time. How many of the 39 per cent of Financial Times readers who voted Labour at the last election really want John McDonnell in charge of the economy?
But the real danger is that the Tories might have vaccinated Corbyn. By botching their attacks, they may have given him immunity. When they point to all his hard-left positions, his dodgy economics and his sympathy for various terrorist groups, voters might just shrug and say: ‘We’ve heard it all before.’ At the same time, Corbyn sounds very different to how he did two years ago. Voters tuning into him for the first time will find his agenda presented in a far more seductive and less sectarian way."
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/the-tories-are-giving-jeremy-corbyn-a-clear-run-at-no-10/0 -
At least he hasnt wished any politicians dead or seriously harmed for a while....Ishmael_Z said:
I think if you consult your confessor, rector, minister or whoever, they will tell you that labelling others "the AntiChrist" is not the behaviour of a decent Christian, and makes you look as mad as a meat axe.justin124 said:
No - also many people who adhere to a strong sense of Christian decency!MarqueeMark said:
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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Again, and? China under Deng up to today is still far too heavily state managed and guided to be called free market capitalism with a straight face.HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping who really shifted China away from Communism more towards the market after Mao's death in 1976 (Mao was more an industrial Communist).Winstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal
'GDP per capita in China in 1970 was 111.0 US dollars, ranked 160th in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Benin (111.0 US dollars),
GDP per capita in China in 2015 was equal to 8 109.0 US dollars, ranked 92nd in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Lebanon (8 571.0 US dollars)'
http://ivanstat.com/gdp/cn.html0 -
Not really on a par is it thats a 5% differenceHYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping who really shifted China away from Communism more towards the market after Mao's death in 1976 (Mao was more an industrial Communist).Winstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal
'GDP per capita in China in 1970 was 111.0 US dollars, ranked 160th in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Benin (111.0 US dollars),
GDP per capita in China in 2015 was equal to 8 109.0 US dollars, ranked 92nd in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Lebanon (8 571.0 US dollars)'
http://ivanstat.com/gdp/cn.html0 -
Sandpit said:
Extend Help toSellBuy, which has done more than anything else to keep house prices high. Should be ended. Corbyn is wrong here.
End the right to buy your council house. Should be endedCorbyn is right here.
Reinstate housing benefit for under 21s Should be ended (For everyone)Corbyn is wrong here.
Building 100k council and housing association homes to rent or buy. Fair enoughCorbyn is right here.
Making new houses bigger Positive I think, some of the nonsense regulations such as every house has to have a tree (My colleague got a tiny sapling with her new build) ought to be disposed of too.Corbyn is right here.
Reserving 4000 homes for homeless people. Laudable, but no idea how this is meant to work - a nonsense in practice.What does Corbyn even mean here ?0 -
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.Sandpit said:
A few years of devaluations and inflation under Corbyn, and £80k will be barely minimum wage!FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the slightly more public friendly manifesto stuff. If anybody really believes only people on over £80k will pay more tax in corbyistan are just deluded.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
The problem with " Affordable " units in the planning process is #1 They are defined as a % of market rate which means they are often just less unaffordable. #2 The hypnotic effect of the term over decades convinces policy makers we are actually getting affordable homes #3 If you force a builder to sell 25% of it's product at 75% of the market rate they just jack up the cost of the full price units to compensate. #4 Too many supine planning departments cave in to developers on the amount of " affordables " on viability grounds. If we must have this silly policy the % affordable should be law.
It's a bit like tackling poverty by forcing Tesco to sell a proportion of it's Heinz Beans at below market rate and having two prices on the shelves.0 -
I despise Blair more than Thatcher and have never hidden my view - at least she was not a war criminal. I am simply pointing out that many do view Thatcher as being with the 'forces of darkness'.Ishmael_Z said:
I think if you consult your confessor, rector, minister or whoever, they will tell you that labelling others "the AntiChrist" is not the behaviour of a decent Christian, and makes you look as mad as a meat axe.justin124 said:
No - also many people who adhere to a strong sense of Christian decency!MarqueeMark said:
But only Losers.....justin124 said:
In your opinon - but others view here as downright evil and label her the AntiChrist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes but she was a successjustin124 said:
Perhaps no more so than when Thatcher got in.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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Crashing the economy and devaluing would be a great way of shifting to net emigration. As I recall RCS has predicted this within the next few years.Sandpit said:
According to that manifesto, they want to:Winstanley said:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto2017/secure-homes-for-allSandpit said:
And do we think Corbyn will be building houses to buy, or houses for the council to rent out?Winstanley said:
Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.glw said:
One of the things I find most perplexing about Corbynism is the way that his ardent supporters don't seem to follow through on the implication of some of his policies. The things that young people like most would be non-viable or stifled in a Corbyn led Britain.FrancisUrquhart said:Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.
Achievable? Dunno. Labour clearly understand the problem better than oldies on here going 'they have uber why are they whinging when I was a lad we didn't have uber'
Extend Help toSellBuy, which has done more than anything else to keep house prices high.
End the right to buy your council house.
Reinstate housing benefit for under 21s
Building 100k council and housing association homes to rent or buy.
Making new houses bigger
Reserving 4000 homes for homeless people.
There’s precisely nothing there at all which will help young people in the most expensive areas afford to buy their own home, in fact most of the policies will restrict the availability of housing stock.
Edit: and nothing on immigration, which is what’s fuelling the demand in London right now.
Problem solved!0 -
Do we think Nigel Farage's new party (reportedly to be launched next week) could potentially have some impact, BTW?
I think it's possible.0 -
I doubt it will be a bigger shock than Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We are all in for a shock if Corbyn gets inFrancisUrquhart said:
They are for a shock if chairman corbyn gets in....glw said:
800,000 people have signed a petition to save minicab company that treats and pays its workers very poorly. I don't think young people are all that committed to economic and social justice when it inconveniences them.Winstanley said:Yes young people love having Amazon Prime delivering next day to the house they don't own.
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It jumped over 68 nations in the world rankings and gdp per capita rose over 80 times what it was in 1970 and you say that is not much difference?spire2 said:Not really on a par is it thats a 5% difference
HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping who really shifted China away from Communism more towards the market after Mao's death in 1976 (Mao was more an industrial Communist).Winstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal
'GDP per capita in China in 1970 was 111.0 US dollars, ranked 160th in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Benin (111.0 US dollars),
GDP per capita in China in 2015 was equal to 8 109.0 US dollars, ranked 92nd in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Lebanon (8 571.0 US dollars)'
http://ivanstat.com/gdp/cn.html0 -
Good point.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service0 -
I never said it was, just the shift from the communism of Mao to the more market orientated economy of today brought wealth creation with itWinstanley said:
Again, and? China under Deng up to today is still far too heavily state managed and guided to be called free market capitalism with a straight face.HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping who really shifted China away from Communism more towards the market after Mao's death in 1976 (Mao was more an industrial Communist).Winstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal
'GDP per capita in China in 1970 was 111.0 US dollars, ranked 160th in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Benin (111.0 US dollars),
GDP per capita in China in 2015 was equal to 8 109.0 US dollars, ranked 92nd in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Lebanon (8 571.0 US dollars)'
http://ivanstat.com/gdp/cn.html0 -
June 2016 was not devaluationjustin124 said:
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.Sandpit said:
A few years of devaluations and inflation under Corbyn, and £80k will be barely minimum wage!FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the slightly more public friendly manifesto stuff. If anybody really believes only people on over £80k will pay more tax in corbyistan are just deluded.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
Surely all housing should be affordable?YellowSubmarine said:The problem with " Affordable " units in the planning process is #1 They are defined as a % of market rate which means they are often just less unaffordable. #2 The hypnotic effect of the term over decades convinces policy makers we are actually getting affordable homes #3 If you force a builder to sell 25% of it's product at 75% of the market rate they just jack up the cost of the full price units to compensate. #4 Too many supine planning departments cave in to developers on the amount of " affordables " on viability grounds. If we must have this silly policy the % affordable should be law.
It's a bit like tackling poverty by forcing Tesco to sell a proportion of it's Heinz Beans at below market rate and having two prices on the shelves.
I remember the house price crash of the early nineties and negative equity. The alarm bells should have rung when no-one can afford the house that they live in, were it to come to market. The difficulty is knowing how long the bubble will last, but no doubt that it is a bubble.0 -
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service0 -
Did you really miss the plunge in the pound's value following the Referendum result?Big_G_NorthWales said:
June 2016 was not devaluationjustin124 said:
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.Sandpit said:
A few years of devaluations and inflation under Corbyn, and £80k will be barely minimum wage!FrancisUrquhart said:
.glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
justin124 said:
Inflation in 1991 was 5.9% compared to 13.4% in 1979Sandpit said:
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the s!glw said:
The "robot tax" is a good example of Corbyn's madness. Robotics, automation, machine learning, and AI will have a profound impact on work. But to penalise their use is about as sensible as penalising the use of steam or electricity would have been in the past.AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
Technology will transform work irrevocably, but a tax on applying it will simply mean that the UK doesn't benefit from the development and the deployment. It's a tax that would ensure that we are a follower not a leader. It's bonkers.0 -
Time for my fantasy prediction of the week: at some point, Nigel Farage will declare that Brexit cannot work/is being betrayed and that the only way we can hope to bring down the hated EU is by working with like minded groups like the AfD from the inside. He will launch a new pan-European political party and in an ironic twist, play a decisive role in broadening the UK political conversation to a European level.Danny565 said:Do we think Nigel Farage's new party (reportedly to be launched next week) could potentially have some impact, BTW?
I think it's possible.0 -
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.0 -
The Conservative's* problem is they let their economic Conservativism completely eclipse their social Conservativism on housing. By becoming an equity cult and the party of Buy to Let portfolios they forgot. #1 Home Ownership makes you more conservative and locking a generation out of homeownership disrupts the formation of new conservative voters. What's conservative about locking working families with kids into insecure long term private sector renting ?
If you give people something to conserve they'll become conservatives. The historic mistake was prioritising existing equity holders at he price of new generations becoming new equity holders.
* In liberal terms Help to Buy was the Lib Dems biggest betrayal. The historic purpose of liberalism is to break up concentrations of power and attack rent seekers. Yet they cheerled Osborne's shameless use of the state balance sheet to inflate asset prices and benefit a rentier class. The biggest liberal betrayal of the coalition years you never hear about.0 -
Did you really miss the plunge in the pound's value following the Referendum result?
30th June 2016 - dollar rate 1.34 - today dollar rate 1.340 -
How can he do that with no MEP's post 29th March 2019williamglenn said:
Time for my fantasy prediction of the week: at some point, Nigel Farage will declare that Brexit cannot work/is being betrayed and that the only way we can hope to bring down the hated EU is by working with like minded groups like the AfD from the inside. He will launch a new pan-European political party and in an ironic twist, play a decisive role in broadening the UK political conversation to a European level.Danny565 said:Do we think Nigel Farage's new party (reportedly to be launched next week) could potentially have some impact, BTW?
I think it's possible.0 -
So is the 'free market' responsible or not for the global reduction in poverty, the bulk of which has been under the stewardship of the CCP? Shall we put China in the 'market' box now while we're talking about poverty reduction, and retroactively put it in the 'Communist state' box if and when the regime collapses?HYUFD said:
I never said it was, just the shift from the communism of Mao to the more market orientated economy of today brought wealth creation with itWinstanley said:
Again, and? China under Deng up to today is still far too heavily state managed and guided to be called free market capitalism with a straight face.HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping who really shifted China away from Communism more towards the market after Mao's death in 1976 (Mao was more an industrial Communist).Winstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal
'GDP per capita in China in 1970 was 111.0 US dollars, ranked 160th in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Benin (111.0 US dollars),
GDP per capita in China in 2015 was equal to 8 109.0 US dollars, ranked 92nd in the world and was on par with GDP per capita in Lebanon (8 571.0 US dollars)'
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Shared ownership also a step on the property ladder and Osborne ended restrictions on those]YellowSubmarine said:The Conservative's* problem is they let their economic Conservativism completely eclipse their social Conservativism on housing. By becoming an equity cult and the party of Buy to Let portfolios they forgot. #1 Home Ownership makes you more conservative and locking a generation out of homeownership disrupts the formation of new conservative voters. What's conservative about locking working families with kids into insecure long term private sector renting ?
If you give people something to conserve they'll become conservatives. The historic mistake was prioritising existing equity holders at he price of new generations becoming new equity holders.
* In liberal terms Help to Buy was the Lib Dems biggest betrayal. The historic purpose of liberalism is to break up concentrations of power and attack rent seekers. Yet they cheerled Osborne's shameless use of the state balance sheet to inflate asset prices and benefit a rentier class. The biggest liberal betrayal of the coalition years you never hear about.
Also remember while people may want to buy cheap houses they want to inherit expensive ones0 -
Do you feel the same about water privatisation ? Hard to switch supplier there if you get bad customer service .welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service0 -
If you listen to the rationale given for public ownership of utilities or rail by Labour - it is far more about reducing prices/getting a better deal for rate payers than it is about raising wages for train staff or water company employees...welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service0 -
Theresa May complains there wasn't enough "debate" in election, after refusing to take part in TV debates0
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Well he has until then. 2019 is also the cut off date for his Brussels platform so you can guarantee some attention seeking behaviour from him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How can he do that with no MEP's post 29th March 2019williamglenn said:
Time for my fantasy prediction of the week: at some point, Nigel Farage will declare that Brexit cannot work/is being betrayed and that the only way we can hope to bring down the hated EU is by working with like minded groups like the AfD from the inside. He will launch a new pan-European political party and in an ironic twist, play a decisive role in broadening the UK political conversation to a European level.Danny565 said:Do we think Nigel Farage's new party (reportedly to be launched next week) could potentially have some impact, BTW?
I think it's possible.0 -
@Big_G_Northwales I'm pleased the site doesn't have a block button but " June 2016 was not devaluation " makes the case for one. You're either criminally stupid or so slavishly tribal you should live under a Bridge.0
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If that is the case and despite my general loyalty to her that is daftbigjohnowls said:Theresa May complains there wasn't enough "debate" in election, after refusing to take part in TV debates
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Perhaps we can resolve the Irish Republic Brexit problem by having a referendum in the UK on whether to withdraw from the CTA? It would count the UK citizens that give a damn.0
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Really struggling to follow that. Help to buy helped first time buyers. The taxation treatment of BTLs discouraged them from the market by putting them at a competitive disadvantage , as did the policies on HB. In an era of extremely low interest rates that wasn't enough to prevent asset appreciation but it helped.YellowSubmarine said:The Conservative's* problem is they let their economic Conservativism completely eclipse their social Conservativism on housing. By becoming an equity cult and the party of Buy to Let portfolios they forgot. #1 Home Ownership makes you more conservative and locking a generation out of homeownership disrupts the formation of new conservative voters. What's conservative about locking working families with kids into insecure long term private sector renting ?
If you give people something to conserve they'll become conservatives. The historic mistake was prioritising existing equity holders at he price of new generations becoming new equity holders.
* In liberal terms Help to Buy was the Lib Dems biggest betrayal. The historic purpose of liberalism is to break up concentrations of power and attack rent seekers. Yet they cheerled Osborne's shameless use of the state balance sheet to inflate asset prices and benefit a rentier class. The biggest liberal betrayal of the coalition years you never hear about.
The criticism is really that QE should have been used to fund public sector housing rather than bankers bonuses.0 -
HYUFD said:
In May 1979 RPI inflation was just under 10% - it shot up dramatically in the second half of the year following the VAT hike in Howe's June Budget and the Utilities being forced to raise their prices sharply to consumers.justin124 said:
Inflation in 1991 was 5.9% compared to 13.4% in 1979Sandpit said:
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the s!glw said:AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
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Of course because it was the more market orientated reforms of Deng which was the biggest cause of poverty reduction in China. The fact politically the Communist party still maintains tight control on freedoms does not change the fact economically it has shifted from the absolute state control of MaoWinstanley said:
So is the 'free market' responsible or not for the global reduction in poverty, the bulk of which has been under the stewardship of the CCP? Shall we put China in the 'market' box now while we're talking about poverty reduction, and retroactively put it in the 'Communist state' box if and when the regime collapses?HYUFD said:
I never said it was, just the shift from the communism of Mao to the more market orientated economy of today brought wealth creation with itWinstanley said:
Again, and? China under Deng up to today is still far too heavily state managed and guided to be called free market capitalism with a straight face.HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping /cn.htmlWinstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.HYUFD said:
It has also produced a system where fewer people are in absolute poverty than at any time in human historybigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal0 -
'30th June 2016 - dollar rate 1.34 - today dollar rate 1.34'Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you really miss the plunge in the pound's value following the Referendum result?
That really is bonkers! The referendum took place on June 23rd 2016. By June 30th it had already fallen sharply from the $1.45 - $1.50 range where it had been trading prior to the vote.0 -
Stuff like that is hard to get away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If that is the case and despite my general loyalty to her that is daftbigjohnowls said:Theresa May complains there wasn't enough "debate" in election, after refusing to take part in TV debates
I understand why she did it - but it shows perfectly how far ahead she thought she was.
A fresh leader for the Tories at least wouldn't have that kind of baggage.0 -
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.0 -
justin124 said:
Yet when Thatcher left office and Major took over inflation was far lower than when she had arrivedHYUFD said:
In May 1979 RPI inflation was just under 10% - it shot up dramatically in the second half of the year following the VAT hike in Howe's June Budget and the Utilities being forced to raise their prices sharply to consumers.justin124 said:
Inflation in 1991 was 5.9% compared to 13.4% in 1979Sandpit said:
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the s!glw said:AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
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CCP philosophy I gather is that economic security is the first freedom, without which others are unreal for most. But for the last time: it's bizarre how you want to claim Deng China's record for the 'free market'. It's no such thing, state and the market are 'enmeshed' they call it, a 'socialist market economy' very different from a free market one.HYUFD said:
Of course because it was the more market orientated reforms of Deng which was the biggest cause of poverty reduction in China. The fact politically the Communist party still maintains tight control on freedoms does not change the fact economically it has shifted from the absolute state control of MaoWinstanley said:
So is the 'free market' responsible or not for the global reduction in poverty, the bulk of which has been under the stewardship of the CCP? Shall we put China in the 'market' box now while we're talking about poverty reduction, and retroactively put it in the 'Communist state' box if and when the regime collapses?HYUFD said:
I never said it was, just the shift from the communism of Mao to the more market orientated economy of today brought wealth creation with itWinstanley said:
Again, and? China under Deng up to today is still far too heavily state managed and guided to be called free market capitalism with a straight face.HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping /cn.htmlWinstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
It was Mao who made the 'Great Leap Forward' so brutal0 -
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.0 -
The economics of that is that supply has to equal or exceed demand. Neither of the parties are anywhere near that and I do not see anyone who has an answer. Not only is the supply increase needed it needs to be in big numbers in shortage areas.foxinsoxuk said:
Surely all housing should be affordable?YellowSubmarine said:The problem with " Affordable " units in the planning process is #1 They are defined as a % of market rate which means they are often just less unaffordable. #2 The hypnotic effect of the term over decades convinces policy makers we are actually getting affordable homes #3 If you force a builder to sell 25% of it's product at 75% of the market rate they just jack up the cost of the full price units to compensate. #4 Too many supine planning departments cave in to developers on the amount of " affordables " on viability grounds. If we must have this silly policy the % affordable should be law.
It's a bit like tackling poverty by forcing Tesco to sell a proportion of it's Heinz Beans at below market rate and having two prices on the shelves.
I remember the house price crash of the early nineties and negative equity. The alarm bells should have rung when no-one can afford the house that they live in, were it to come to market. The difficulty is knowing how long the bubble will last, but no doubt that it is a bubble.
Funny
Listening to Everton's match on BT tonight the commentator said 'how quickly can Liverpool get forward here' while being corrected 'you did mean Everton' - embarrassed yes0 -
30th June 2016 - dollar rate 1.34 - today dollar rate 1.34Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you really miss the plunge in the pound's value following the Referendum result?
Wasn't the referendum on 23 June 2016?0 -
Brilliant line, I think I'm going to steal that.HYUFD said:
Shared ownership also a step on the property ladder and Osborne ended restrictions on those]YellowSubmarine said:The Conservative's* problem is they let their economic Conservativism completely eclipse their social Conservativism on housing. By becoming an equity cult and the party of Buy to Let portfolios they forgot. #1 Home Ownership makes you more conservative and locking a generation out of homeownership disrupts the formation of new conservative voters. What's conservative about locking working families with kids into insecure long term private sector renting ?
If you give people something to conserve they'll become conservatives. The historic mistake was prioritising existing equity holders at he price of new generations becoming new equity holders.
* In liberal terms Help to Buy was the Lib Dems biggest betrayal. The historic purpose of liberalism is to break up concentrations of power and attack rent seekers. Yet they cheerled Osborne's shameless use of the state balance sheet to inflate asset prices and benefit a rentier class. The biggest liberal betrayal of the coalition years you never hear about.
Also remember while people may want to buy cheap houses they want to inherit expensive ones0 -
The Conservatives need a leader with the genius to grasp the obvious. If they are to repeat the trick of selling Council Houses they need to build some Council Houses to sell. The UK is gagging for a Left/Right Grand Bargain where we build vast amounts of RSL properties but 50% aren't allocated on the existing needs criteria but a new aspirational/contributory one. And those new properties have a clear long term path to ownership.
It's these new aspirational renters who are hit by a double whammy. Too poor to ever buy, not poor enough to get a secure RSL tennancy. Locked in the limbo of long term insecure PRS letting which our Tory overlords think is still exclusively the preserve of students and drug addicts. The prospect of a decent RSL property with clear path to eventual ownership would be a retail offer to behold.0 -
"Daft" seems quite understated. Maybe delusional?Big_G_NorthWales said:
If that is the case and despite my general loyalty to her that is daftbigjohnowls said:Theresa May complains there wasn't enough "debate" in election, after refusing to take part in TV debates
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Privatised train on privatised tracks probably isn't viable and would just collapse.DavidL said:
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.
I think almost all railways globally need some kind of subsidy. At least we have trains that run!0 -
I think 95% of the population of Northern Ireland would vote to retain it. Your proposal is for the dissolution of the United Kingdom.PAW said:Perhaps we can resolve the Irish Republic Brexit problem by having a referendum in the UK on whether to withdraw from the CTA? It would count the UK citizens that give a damn.
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Sore point right at the minute. 85 minutes late.rkrkrk said:
Privatised train on privatised tracks probably isn't viable and would just collapse.DavidL said:
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.
I think almost all railways globally need some kind of subsidy. At least we have trains that run!0 -
HYUFD said:
Average RPI inflation in 1990 was actually 9.3% - having been 7.7% in 1989. Inflation doubled from 1984 to 1990.justin124 said:
Yet when Thatcher left office and Major took over inflation was far lower than when she had arrivedHYUFD said:
In May 1979 RPI inflation was just under 10% - it shot up dramatically in the second half of the year following the VAT hike in Howe's June Budget and the Utilities being forced to raise their prices sharply to consumers.justin124 said:
Inflation in 1991 was 5.9% compared to 13.4% in 1979Sandpit said:
Don't forget that inflation more than doubled in Thatcher's first year in office. By Spring 1980 we faced RPI inflation of 22%. As for devaluations , September 1992 and June 2016 come to mind - and strangely enough both were under Tory Governments.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is also jezza showing a bit of leg about how he would really want to run things rather than the s!glw said:AnneJGP said:
Well, that's the point, isn't it? What would Mr Corbyn's life-long dream look like, worked out against the background of modern conditions?MarqueeMark said:
Don't worry, apple will soon be a thing of the past - after six months, National Telecom will get round to fitting your phone onto your hallway wall....in Corbyn's Seventies Socialist Utopia..FrancisUrquhart said:
Also no Uber is only for starters...There will be no airbnb, no deliveroo, no Amazon prime next day delivery etc etc etc, but ohhhhhhhh Jeremy corbyn.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment thought, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
Although my feeling about apple / ios11 at the moment, he can grind those bastards into the ground!
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For the last time that is also rather different than the entirely socialist economy under MaoWinstanley said:
CCP philosophy I gather is that economic security is the first freedom, without which others are unreal for most. But for the last time: it's bizarre how you want to claim Deng China's record for the 'free market'. It's no such thing, state and the market are 'enmeshed' they call it, a 'socialist market economy' very different from a free market one.HYUFD said:
Of course because it MaoWinstanley said:
So is the 'free market' responsible or not for the global reduction in poverty, the bulk of which has been under the stewardship of the CCP? Shall we put China in the 'market' box now while we're talking about poverty reduction, and retroactively put it in the 'Communist state' box if and when the regime collapses?HYUFD said:
I never said it was, just the shift from the communism of Mao to the more market orientated economy of today brought wealth creation with itWinstanley said:
Again, and? China under Deng up to today is still far too heavily state managed and guided to be called free market capitalism with a straight face.HYUFD said:
It was Deng Xiaoping /cn.htmlWinstanley said:
If only every country could simply choose to be Switzerland rather than choosing to be Sudan or something. But really: the bulk of the poverty reduction over the last few decades has been in China, so how is that attributable to free market capitalism?HYUFD said:
No of course not, Switzerland would be far better for most.Winstanley said:
Yes, and? Is China today your free market ideal? Too far for me comrade.HYUFD said:
Yes, compare it now to when it was under MaoWinstanley said:
Biggest progress recently being good old free markt China.bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
China's process of industrialisation in the 20th century killed as many peasants as our industrialisation killed Indian peasants in the 19th. Many here would say te latter was worth it because of the gains which ultimately followed (and did in the last thread). Is the logic different for Communist Party China?
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You're welcomercs1000 said:
Brilliant line, I think I'm going to steal that.HYUFD said:
Shared ownership also a step on the property ladder and Osborne ended restrictions on those]YellowSubmarine said:The Conservative's* problem is they let their economic Conservativism completely eclipse their social Conservativism on housing. By becoming an equity cult and the party of Buy to Let portfolios they forgot. #1 Home Ownership makes you more conservative and locking a generation out of homeownership disrupts the formation of new conservative voters. What's conservative about locking working families with kids into insecure long term private sector renting ?
If you give people something to conserve they'll become conservatives. The historic mistake was prioritising existing equity holders at he price of new generations becoming new equity holders.
* In liberal terms Help to Buy was the Lib Dems biggest betrayal. The historic purpose of liberalism is to break up concentrations of power and attack rent seekers. Yet they cheerled Osborne's shameless use of the state balance sheet to inflate asset prices and benefit a rentier class. The biggest liberal betrayal of the coalition years you never hear about.
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Nah..... This is 2017 you know. I will outlast you all.MarqueeMark said:
I'm sure you will be most welcome. As long as the ladies depart the table before the port....Cyclefree said:
I haven't been invited! (Yet)Richard_Nabavi said:This is going to be an expensive lunch, if @TOPPING gets to choose the wines.
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That really is bonkers! The referendum took place on June 23rd 2016. By June 30th it had already fallen sharply from the $1.45 - $1.50 range where it had been trading prior to the vote.justin124 said:
'30th June 2016 - dollar rate 1.34 - today dollar rate 1.34'Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you really miss the plunge in the pound's value following the Referendum result?
The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.340 -
You have my sympathies- I used to do the london to Brighton commute...DavidL said:
Sore point right at the minute. 85 minutes late.rkrkrk said:
Privatised train on privatised tracks probably isn't viable and would just collapse.DavidL said:
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.
I think almost all railways globally need some kind of subsidy. At least we have trains that run!
Make sure you claim!
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This I do agree with. We need major investment in public housing and opportunities for renters to buy. And the need is desperate. Unfortunately Javid has proven to be a serious disappointment in terms of delivery.YellowSubmarine said:The Conservatives need a leader with the genius to grasp the obvious. If they are to repeat the trick of selling Council Houses they need to build some Council Houses to sell. The UK is gagging for a Left/Right Grand Bargain where we build vast amounts of RSL properties but 50% aren't allocated on the existing needs criteria but a new aspirational/contributory one. And those new properties have a clear long term path to ownership.
It's these new aspirational renters who are hit by a double whammy. Too poor to ever buy, not poor enough to get a secure RSL tennancy. Locked in the limbo of long term insecure PRS letting which our Tory overlords think is still exclusively the preserve of students and drug addicts. The prospect of a decent RSL property with clear path to eventual ownership would be a retail offer to behold.0 -
@DavidL Help to Buy stimulated demand without increasing supply. That sustains high prices which doesn't help anyone struggling to buy. It was a state funded ( via contingent liability ) attempt at keeping the housing boom going wrapped under a title about buyers.
@HYFUD That is indeed a great line which I will also steal. We get the social policy we deserve.0 -
Think you have your dates mixed upBig_G_NorthWales said:
The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.340 -
I tend to agree. Housing is a huge issue and we can all theorise and probably disagree how we got here, but we are here, and we need to get our fingers out and do something about it- which means at the least building more of it and lots. Now there's nuance as to how and where and what mix etc etc and clearly we have to have some ne regard for the existing or we could build flats next to Stonehenge which would hardly be appropriate,YellowSubmarine said:The Conservatives need a leader with the genius to grasp the obvious. If they are to repeat the trick of selling Council Houses they need to build some Council Houses to sell. The UK is gagging for a Left/Right Grand Bargain where we build vast amounts of RSL properties but 50% aren't allocated on the existing needs criteria but a new aspirational/contributory one. And those new properties have a clear long term path to ownership.
It's these new aspirational renters who are hit by a double whammy. Too poor to ever buy, not poor enough to get a secure RSL tennancy. Locked in the limbo of long term insecure PRS letting which our Tory overlords think is still exclusively the preserve of students and drug addicts. The prospect of a decent RSL property with clear path to eventual ownership would be a retail offer to behold.
But build we must, and whilst I generally would like govt to bugger off, leave me alone, and not do much, it's got to facilitate here, and I'd hope for some tangible action soon.0 -
Good answer and of course it would not be delayed under comrade Corbyn and the RMTDavidL said:
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.0 -
'The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.34'Big_G_NorthWales said:
That really is bonkers! The referendum took place on June 23rd 2016. By June 30th it had already fallen sharply from the $1.45 - $1.50 range where it had been trading prior to the vote.justin124 said:
'30th June 2016 - dollar rate 1.34 - today dollar rate 1.34'Big_G_NorthWales said:
Did you really miss the plunge in the pound's value following the Referendum result?
I am afraid you are confused here. This year's General Election was on 8th June - last year's Referendum was on 23rd June. I think it may be time to stop digging!0 -
Or, alternatively, Mr G is able to differentiate between floating currencies and fixed or semi-fixed exchange rate set ups.YellowSubmarine said:@Big_G_Northwales I'm pleased the site doesn't have a block button but " June 2016 was not devaluation " makes the case for one. You're either criminally stupid or so slavishly tribal you should live under a Bridge.
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No, the GE was 8 June, and different year. Or I am going mad.rkrkrk said:
Think you have your dates mixed upBig_G_NorthWales said:
The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.340 -
Err referendum was on 23.6.16. You confusing the election this year?rkrkrk said:
Think you have your dates mixed upBig_G_NorthWales said:
The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.340 -
Nested quotes problem - I'm clear that the ref. was on 23rd and was followed by a devaluation.Ishmael_Z said:
No, the GE was 8 June, and different year. Or I am going mad.rkrkrk said:
Think you have your dates mixed upBig_G_NorthWales said:
The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.340 -
YesDavidL said:
"Daft" seems quite understated. Maybe delusional?Big_G_NorthWales said:
If that is the case and despite my general loyalty to her that is daftbigjohnowls said:Theresa May complains there wasn't enough "debate" in election, after refusing to take part in TV debates
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Looks like a fatality at Milton Keynes about five hours ago. Whole main line was closed until just before 8pm.DavidL said:
Sore point right at the minute. 85 minutes late.rkrkrk said:
Privatised train on privatised tracks probably isn't viable and would just collapse.DavidL said:
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.
I think almost all railways globally need some kind of subsidy. At least we have trains that run!0 -
I'm sorry. Help to buy encouraged builders to build at a time when a mortgage famine and an insistence on larger deposits was killing demand. Housing developments were being spread over 5-6 years instead of 1-2 because house builders couldn't shift them. The policy helped and is something Tories and Lib Dems should be proud of, even if it was not enough.YellowSubmarine said:@DavidL Help to Buy stimulated demand without increasing supply. That sustains high prices which doesn't help anyone struggling to buy. It was a state funded ( via contingent liability ) attempt at keeping the housing boom going wrapped under a title about buyers.
@HYFUD That is indeed a great line which I will also steal. We get the social policy we deserve.0 -
This was all signals south of Berwick on Tweed. Not far now though.Sandpit said:
Looks like a fatality at Milton Keynes about five hours ago. Whole main line was closed until just before 8pm.DavidL said:
Sore point right at the minute. 85 minutes late.rkrkrk said:
Privatised train on privatised tracks probably isn't viable and would just collapse.DavidL said:
Privatised train but on nationalised tracks and signals. Worst of all worlds?foxinsoxuk said:
Privatised or Nationalisd train?DavidL said:
Never seems to be the view of the NHS. Oh, wait a minute.welshowl said:
Yup internet fixed in am few days in December. Think it was 3 months for a phone in the 70's. Corbyn seems to think things should be run for the producers not the customers which is all fine and dandy till we are a customer, when it's a real pain.AnneJGP said:
Actually, last week. Wales & West came out the same day they were called & fixed the problem within a couple of hours.Danny565 said:
LOL, when was the last time you tried to get a utility company to resolve a problem? Do you really think it's any different these days.AnneJGP said:
It will be quite an interesting experiment though, to introduce it in this country, where everyone is accustomed to instant responses.glw said:
*cough* "That's not true socialism/communism."Pulpstar said:
How is that there Venezuela coming along ?bigjohnowls said:free-market economics – has established a system where eight people own as much wealth as half the planet
May thinks its our greatest ever achievement
I believe that's the standard answer when someone points out the 100% failure record.
In the days of the old telephone company or water board or gas board or whatever, you reported a fault or made a request for service, and 3 - 6 months later you were still waiting.
(edit: remove a 't' - not 'experiment thought' , but 'experiment though'.)
Nationalisation certainly isn't perfect, but atleast with that there's the opportunity to affect the running of utilities with our votes at the ballot box - as opposed to now, where the completely unaccountable people who run these cartels face no pressure, and therefore have no incentives to offer a better service
God this train is slowing down again.
I think almost all railways globally need some kind of subsidy. At least we have trains that run!0 -
Interesting- I don't think I've heard much of a defence for this policy before... well other than... it helped me buy... which rather misses the point.DavidL said:
I'm sorry. Help to buy encouraged builders to build at a time when a mortgage famine and an insistence on larger deposits was killing demand. Housing developments were being spread over 5-6 years instead of 1-2 because house builders couldn't shift them. The policy helped and is something Tories and Lib Dems should be proud of, even if it was not enough.YellowSubmarine said:@DavidL Help to Buy stimulated demand without increasing supply. That sustains high prices which doesn't help anyone struggling to buy. It was a state funded ( via contingent liability ) attempt at keeping the housing boom going wrapped under a title about buyers.
@HYFUD That is indeed a great line which I will also steal. We get the social policy we deserve.0 -
rcs1000 - I suppose the Irish Republic could keep their side of the CTA, if the EU lets them?0
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Getting old - quite right 8th June 2016 was my daughters 45th birthdayrkrkrk said:
Think you have your dates mixed upBig_G_NorthWales said:
The referendum was the 8th June and by the 30th June 2016 it was 1.34 - today it is 1.34 and expected to rise so 6% initial fall and as of today still 1.340
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