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Earlier on this week The Times reported that

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  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,717
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    This is not so much if, as when, surely ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    edited September 2017
    https://twitter.com/sensiblestu/status/905416017966505985
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,717
    South Korea and the US have been staunch allies for six decades.
    Trump now has them talking to Moscow...
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/Trump-Moon-in-miscommunication-over-weapons-purchases
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,408
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Size of crowd this Saturday?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,521
    On topic, this market is gambling in its truest sense.

    I'm not playing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    TOPPING said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Size of crowd this Saturday?
    Alas I would have been there but Rick Astley is playing at The Manchester Arena this Saturday.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    A dearth of quality markets? When we have this one:

    https://tinyurl.com/ycq4vvzl
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,847
    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    I know, I didn't take your words as criticism.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    A dearth of quality markets? When we have this one:

    https://tinyurl.com/ycq4vvzl
    Is the field down to 3?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    A dearth of quality markets? When we have this one:

    https://tinyurl.com/ycq4vvzl

    What is the definition for "permanent"?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    A dearth of quality markets? When we have this one:

    https://tinyurl.com/ycq4vvzl
    I've not been able to take that market seriously since Alastair's review of the runners and riders.

    Though my money's on Anne-Marie Waters and David Kurten.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He's popular with me, then again I have republican tendencies, as my profile pic indicates.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,521
    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
    Some mothers do 'ave 'em.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Again this looks like Mrs May is planning another snap election, probably in 2018.

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/905418893816193026
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Again this looks like Mrs May is planning another snap election, probably in 2018.

    htts://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/905418893816193026

    I've never regarded that thing Einstein didn't say, about doing the same thing and expecting a different result, all that highly, but sometimes it fits.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,847
    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He's popular with me, then again I have republican tendencies, as my profile pic indicates.
    He seems to be equally disliked by people on the right and left of the political spectrum.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,690
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    A dearth of quality markets? When we have this one:

    https://tinyurl.com/ycq4vvzl
    Is there a market for how many UKIP leadership elections between now and the end of 2018....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Sean_F said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He's popular with me, then again I have republican tendencies, as my profile pic indicates.
    He seems to be equally disliked by people on the right and left of the political spectrum.
    I'll never forget Bernie Grant given a staunch defence of the monarchy back in 1998.

    I wonder what he would have made of Charles becoming King today.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,408
    Sean_F said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He's popular with me, then again I have republican tendencies, as my profile pic indicates.
    He seems to be equally disliked by people on the right and left of the political spectrum.
    Which means he's doing something right.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    Would you fancy doing a thread on it, I don't feel confident on doing a thread on it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    edited September 2017
    German industry preparing for a hard Brexit:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-industry/german-industry-group-preparing-for-hard-brexit-idUSKCN1BH1L2

    “Many people in Britain have hoped that they would get a special deal from Germany. We’ve been saying for a year that this is not going to happen,” said Markus Becker-Melching of the Association of German Banks, which is involved in the task force.

    “We are working on the basis that there will be a hard Brexit,” he said. “The wheels are now set in motion to prepare for this.”
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    Would you fancy doing a thread on it, I don't feel confident on doing a thread on it.
    I don't know too much about it - maybe Nick P or DoubleCarpet could be persuaded to write something?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    Would you fancy doing a thread on it, I don't feel confident on doing a thread on it.
    I don't know too much about it - maybe Nick P or DoubleCarpet could be persuaded to write something?
    I'll drop them an email later on today.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,847
    TOPPING said:

    Sean_F said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He's popular with me, then again I have republican tendencies, as my profile pic indicates.
    He seems to be equally disliked by people on the right and left of the political spectrum.
    Which means he's doing something right.
    Sadly, it just means he's unpopular.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.
    A bit like the SNP and Ruth Davidson?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.

    Oxford remains on top, whilst Cambridge is up and down like ....

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    williamglenn said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.
    A bit like the SNP and Ruth Davidson?
    I like that analogy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.

    Oxford remains on top, whilst Cambridge is up and down like ....

    Just compare their respective Nobel Laureates.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited September 2017
    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    I am not a monarchist, but if we have to have one, Charlie is fine !

    I find it amusing that many monarchists want to jump straight to William.

    So they like the monarchy but not the rules.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.

    Oxford remains on top, whilst Cambridge is up and down like ....

    Just compare their respective Nobel Laureates.

    Or compare their respective British PMs.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.

    Oxford remains on top, whilst Cambridge is up and down like ....

    Just compare their respective Nobel Laureates.

    Or compare their respective British PMs.

    The last three have been disasters according to many.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,851
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    Would you fancy doing a thread on it, I don't feel confident on doing a thread on it.
    I don't know too much about it - maybe Nick P or DoubleCarpet could be persuaded to write something?
    I'll drop them an email later on today.
    Life is hectic but I could have a go. If DC has time, I'm very happy to leave it to him!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,056
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Bit short, given how fraught things are.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    Would you fancy doing a thread on it, I don't feel confident on doing a thread on it.
    I don't know too much about it - maybe Nick P or DoubleCarpet could be persuaded to write something?
    I'll drop them an email later on today.
    Life is hectic but I could have a go. If DC has time, I'm very happy to leave it to him!
    I think DC is very busy too.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,675
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.

    Oxford remains on top, whilst Cambridge is up and down like ....

    Just compare their respective Nobel Laureates.
    Ah but Cambridge Colleges have only won University Challenge 10 times in its history whilst Oxford Colleges have notched up 16 series wins.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,690
    edited September 2017
    Slightly off topic but I suspect this is going to be true..

    https://twitter.com/BoredElonMusk/status/905432672926711810
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    SNP aren't dead yet !

    https://twitter.com/SpecCoffeeHouse/status/905412618764079104
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Again this looks like Mrs May is planning another snap election, probably in 2018.

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/905418893816193026

    If that's not adding insult to injury, then it at the very least suggest she ought to be subject to a similar process....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/905434597323919360
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sensiblestu/status/905416017966505985

    That is indeed stunning.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,675
    edited September 2017
    eek said:

    Slightly off topic but I suspect this is going to be true..

    https://twitter.com/BoredElonMusk/status/905432672926711810

    Whilst I get the logic, past experience has shown that all these amazing advances in technology have not brought about the job losses we expected. Computerisation is the most obvious example. I think all we can do is wait and see what happens but I am not sure the changes will be as radical as some people seem to think.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    I'm embarrassed to admit I have a 1/25 bet on CDU getting most seats. Its a winner but I am really not sure why I bothered. I'll try not to spend the whole £2.50 profit at once.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He'll be a fucking disaster.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I think it's fair to say that Prince Charles is not popular in this parish.

    He's popular with me, then again I have republican tendencies, as my profile pic indicates.
    He seems to be equally disliked by people on the right and left of the political spectrum.
    I'll never forget Bernie Grant given a staunch defence of the monarchy back in 1998.

    I wonder what he would have made of Charles becoming King today.
    Charles became King today? Wow. Operation London Bridge here we come.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,289
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sensiblestu/status/905416017966505985

    That is indeed stunning.
    I think I'd rather have the field at Even money than one of those three still.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    I'm embarrassed to admit I have a 1/25 bet on CDU getting most seats. Its a winner but I am really not sure why I bothered. I'll try not to spend the whole £2.50 profit at once.
    I got on that early at 4/5 or something similar. Early birds catching worms etc etc.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sensiblestu/status/905416017966505985

    That is indeed stunning.
    I think I'd rather have the field at Even money than one of those three still.
    You're probably right but a strong and stable government it isn't.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Amateur Hour, part 8,942:
    http://news.sky.com/story/ftse-100-chiefs-fury-at-no-10-letter-backing-ministers-on-brexit-11023229
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,851
    Actually I do have time to draft something on the German election - a one-hour gap between a Brussels meeting and my train home. I was looking to see the Betfair markets, bt apparently Betfair is illegal in Belgium (I get a big warning that the site I have attempted to access is contrary to Belgian law), so I'll need to add anything on those later!
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    I'm embarrassed to admit I have a 1/25 bet on CDU getting most seats. Its a winner but I am really not sure why I bothered. I'll try not to spend the whole £2.50 profit at once.
    I got on that early at 4/5 or something similar. Early birds catching worms etc etc.
    The 6/1 for CDUCSU +FDP+ Green looks quite tempting. I think that is more likely than that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,690
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    eek said:

    Slightly off topic but I suspect this is going to be true..

    https://twitter.com/BoredElonMusk/status/905432672926711810

    Whilst I get the logic, past experience has shown that all these amazing advances in technology have not brought about the job losses we expected. Computerisation is the most obvious example. I think all we can do is wait and see what happens but I am not sure the changes will be as radical as some people seem to think.
    I agree but I think the changes are going to surprise people - law for instance is one where I expect things to change far more than lawyers expect...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SouthamObserver said:

    Amateur Hour, part 8,942:
    http://news.sky.com/story/ftse-100-chiefs-fury-at-no-10-letter-backing-ministers-on-brexit-11023229

    Yes, Sky is pretty amateur

    Most of the FTSE bosses I know are pretty phlegmatic folk (at least to me). I find it highly implausible that they would be "furious" at being asked to sign a silly letter
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    eek said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    eek said:

    Slightly off topic but I suspect this is going to be true..

    https://twitter.com/BoredElonMusk/status/905432672926711810

    Whilst I get the logic, past experience has shown that all these amazing advances in technology have not brought about the job losses we expected. Computerisation is the most obvious example. I think all we can do is wait and see what happens but I am not sure the changes will be as radical as some people seem to think.
    I agree but I think the changes are going to surprise people - law for instance is one where I expect things to change far more than lawyers expect...
    Apparently trade negotiators will be affected too. Where once Liam Fox could have hoped for a junket on the Royal yacht, in future we can just use a word processor with a copy-paste function.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    Publicity Shy Paddy Power have a Kim Jong-un exit market, as well as few other North Korean bets.

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/donald-trump?ev_oc_grp_ids=4815769
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    ATTENTION @TheScreamingEagles

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856244/Oxford-Cambridge-named-two-best-unis-world.html

    From the Times Higher Education World Rankings

    As I noted yesterday, Oxford is stagnating, whilst Cambridge is soaring in the rankings.

    Oxford remains on top, whilst Cambridge is up and down like ....

    Just compare their respective Nobel Laureates.
    Ah but Cambridge Colleges have only won University Challenge 10 times in its history whilst Oxford Colleges have notched up 16 series wins.
    Say what you like about Oxford, it is definitely the very best university in the world situated in a city also called Oxford. #Harvard.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: Ruth Davidson flexing her muscles again ... https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/905439843794264074
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    williamglenn said:

    German industry preparing for a hard Brexit:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-industry/german-industry-group-preparing-for-hard-brexit-idUSKCN1BH1L2

    “Many people in Britain have hoped that they would get a special deal from Germany. We’ve been saying for a year that this is not going to happen,” said Markus Becker-Melching of the Association of German Banks, which is involved in the task force.

    “We are working on the basis that there will be a hard Brexit,” he said. “The wheels are now set in motion to prepare for this.”

    So the people who used to be our partners are now to be our competitors and are getting ready for the new situation. Any leavers want to explain why this is a good thing?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,056
    Mr. Eagles, I heard recently that Steam (online gaming service) had a look at a map of all its customers globally. There's one dot in North Korea, in Pyongyang, apparently. This has led some people to believe Kim Jong-un genuinely has a Steam account.

    Next time you're playing PUBG, you might just be up against the leader of North Korea. Assuming he's into Battlegrounds.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited September 2017
    @SkyNewsBreak: Sky Sources: FTSE-100 companies are being asked by Downing St to sign a letter supporting the Government's Brexit strategy

    I think Brexiteers should boycott any firm that doesn't sign.

    It'll give them a taste for what life under WTO rules will look like...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,056
    Mr. Recidivist, that's extremely simplistic. In the EU, Germany and France and so on weren't our special friends. Out of the EU, they don't become our enemies.

    For decades we've been both allies and competitors. That's a natural and normal state of affairs. I'm sure there'll be a bit more emphasis on the competitive element because we've turned our backs on Catholicism the EU and their beloved, if daft, ideology, but that'll calm down.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    eek said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    eek said:

    Slightly off topic but I suspect this is going to be true..

    https://twitter.com/BoredElonMusk/status/905432672926711810

    Whilst I get the logic, past experience has shown that all these amazing advances in technology have not brought about the job losses we expected. Computerisation is the most obvious example. I think all we can do is wait and see what happens but I am not sure the changes will be as radical as some people seem to think.
    I agree but I think the changes are going to surprise people - law for instance is one where I expect things to change far more than lawyers expect...
    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    with a chance of meatballs?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Recidivist said:

    williamglenn said:

    German industry preparing for a hard Brexit:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-industry/german-industry-group-preparing-for-hard-brexit-idUSKCN1BH1L2

    “Many people in Britain have hoped that they would get a special deal from Germany. We’ve been saying for a year that this is not going to happen,” said Markus Becker-Melching of the Association of German Banks, which is involved in the task force.

    “We are working on the basis that there will be a hard Brexit,” he said. “The wheels are now set in motion to prepare for this.”

    So the people who used to be our partners are now to be our competitors and are getting ready for the new situation. Any leavers want to explain why this is a good thing?
    I am not a Leaver, but I can explain why it is not the case: you are confusing countries with companies, and the political with the commercial.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Shadsy has some interesting markets on the German election:

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/international/international/2017-german-federal-election/224912589/

    We ought to take a closer look at these.

    Would you fancy doing a thread on it, I don't feel confident on doing a thread on it.
    I don't know too much about it - maybe Nick P or DoubleCarpet could be persuaded to write something?
    I'll drop them an email later on today.
    Life is hectic but I could have a go. If DC has time, I'm very happy to leave it to him!
    I think DC is very busy too.
    Surprising, he isn't PM anymore. ;)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
    Dead heat rules sound appropriate.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    with a chance of meatballs?
    Quite possibly. That was an inspired film, one of those children's films that adults can enjoy (well, me anyway).
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
    It is also unclear what would constitute convincing evidence that any of 1-3 had happened. If indeed one or more hasn't already happened and the country is being run by a military junta with a stable full of KJU ringers.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,327
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Recidivist said:

    williamglenn said:

    German industry preparing for a hard Brexit:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-industry/german-industry-group-preparing-for-hard-brexit-idUSKCN1BH1L2

    “Many people in Britain have hoped that they would get a special deal from Germany. We’ve been saying for a year that this is not going to happen,” said Markus Becker-Melching of the Association of German Banks, which is involved in the task force.

    “We are working on the basis that there will be a hard Brexit,” he said. “The wheels are now set in motion to prepare for this.”

    So the people who used to be our partners are now to be our competitors and are getting ready for the new situation. Any leavers want to explain why this is a good thing?
    I am not a Leaver, but I can explain why it is not the case: you are confusing countries with companies, and the political with the commercial.
    Nevertheless if you strip out the confusion, it does expose a misconception at the heart of Brexit. Brexiteers assumed (at least if we take their rhetoric at face value) that business would be on 'our side' against the unnecessary intrusion of politics into the process in the form of meddling bureaucrats in Brussels, and that this message would be delivered in no uncertain terms to Angela Merkel who would see us right.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,289
    If storms this year reach "W" then the designated storm name is "Whitney". I suspect the namers might live to regret that one if it hits a certain city for a second time bordering the gulf of Mexico...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,289
    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    Offers are binding in Scotland, ne ? I think I'd prefer that system over English law seeing as I'm buying and selling right now...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Philip_Thompson said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
    Dead heat rules sound appropriate.
    Indeed but as Tyrion commented of Joffrey: "We've had vicious kings and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!"

    Its hard to feel much sympathy.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    Looks a bit grim - http://breakingdefense.com/2017/09/what-war-with-north-korea-would-look-like-20k-nk-dead-a-day/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    You were a Pagan Osbornite?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    Offers are binding in Scotland, ne ? I think I'd prefer that system over English law seeing as I'm buying and selling right now...
    No I am afraid that is something else that's changed. It used to be that way but now missives are all too often finally concluded on the date of entry.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Pulpstar said:

    If storms this year reach "W" then the designated storm name is "Whitney". I suspect the namers might live to regret that one if it hits a certain city for a second time bordering the gulf of Mexico...

    Seems a hell of a lot of damage for the sake of a bad pun.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,847
    DavidL said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
    Dead heat rules sound appropriate.
    Indeed but as Tyrion commented of Joffrey: "We've had vicious kings and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!"

    Its hard to feel much sympathy.
    Are we still talking about Prince Charles?
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    Recidivist said:

    williamglenn said:

    German industry preparing for a hard Brexit:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-germany-industry/german-industry-group-preparing-for-hard-brexit-idUSKCN1BH1L2

    “Many people in Britain have hoped that they would get a special deal from Germany. We’ve been saying for a year that this is not going to happen,” said Markus Becker-Melching of the Association of German Banks, which is involved in the task force.

    “We are working on the basis that there will be a hard Brexit,” he said. “The wheels are now set in motion to prepare for this.”

    So the people who used to be our partners are now to be our competitors and are getting ready for the new situation. Any leavers want to explain why this is a good thing?
    The country isn't going to be flooded with African and Middle Eastern economic migrants?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
    Dead heat rules sound appropriate.
    Indeed but as Tyrion commented of Joffrey: "We've had vicious kings and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!"

    Its hard to feel much sympathy.
    Are we still talking about Prince Charles?
    Nah, he's only one of those.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    I suppose we shall soon find out how trade with Germany will go - Nissan announcing it intends to source in the UK, Aston Martin sourcing stuff from Japan, new missile development and fighter plane development UK in discussion with Japan too...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,847
    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    A surprising number of firms have gone out of business in recent years.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    You were a Pagan Osbornite?
    I was a partner there for about 12 years.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    PAW said:

    Looks a bit grim - http://breakingdefense.com/2017/09/what-war-with-north-korea-would-look-like-20k-nk-dead-a-day/

    20k deaths a day sounds optimistic to be frank when we're talking about the potential of Seoul being leveled let alone the grim risk of Tokyo being nuked etc
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,746
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    A surprising number of firms have gone out of business in recent years.
    Ever since lawyers were allowed limited liability...what a weird coincidence.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,521
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Two Spartan "if" threads in succession.

    *keeps powder dry*

    I started guest editing PB for five and half years ago, this stint and the last stint have been the hardest to come up with thread ideas.

    There's a dearth of quality political betting markets, the major ones are Trump and May exit related threads, it really does limit the thread ideas.
    Sorry not meant as a criticism, there's nothing happening when there's nothing happening. Kenya presidency could be interesting, but no market that I know of.
    What about a Kim Jong Un exit market?
    It's a bit cloudy.
    METHOD THAT KIM JONG-UN IS REMOVED FROM HIS ROLE AS SUPREME COMMANDER


    He Dies 1/10

    Overthrown in a coup 5/1

    He Resigns 8/1

    Via Publicity Shy Paddy Power.
    Possibilities 2 and 3 will almost certainly include 1. Don't go signing him any life insurance.
    Dead heat rules sound appropriate.
    Indeed but as Tyrion commented of Joffrey: "We've had vicious kings and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!"

    Its hard to feel much sympathy.
    Are we still talking about Prince Charles?
    lol
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,056
    I'm re-reading Tacitus' Complete Works, and vicious idiots do make me think of Nero.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,548
    edited September 2017
    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    DavidL said:

    The way law is done has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years. One of my first jobs, whilst still a student, was inputting the cash room data on to the firm's first computer. Urgent communications were sent by fax and no one was sure if that was legally binding or not. The staff, and there were so many compared with the modern office, had electronic typewriters with no memory so every mistake had to be changed by hand. Finding out what the current state of a complex statutory instrument could take the best part of a day and the Opinion of counsel was often sought because they were aware of unreported decisions in the last couple of years that had not been published yet.

    Now secretaries are an endangered (and seriously undervalued) species. Databases mean the skill is narrowing down the relevant law to something manageable and the speed of correspondence is frequently exasperating. Much of the work, particularly in things like conveyancing, personal injury and debt collection has been deskilled. The job of a lawyer is more often that of managing unqualified staff than doing it themselves (advocates and barristers are thankfully an exception). Intelligent systems have yet to make much of a mark but no doubt they will. Change will continue but I don't see a quantum leap even vaguely comparable to the internet at the moment.

    Unfortunately the size of the bills doesn't seem to have shrunk to reflect all this increased efficiency!
    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.
    A surprising number of firms have gone out of business in recent years.
    Ever since lawyers were allowed limited liability...what a weird coincidence.
    I blame the alternative business structure.

    When I was deciding to shortlist what courses I might study at university, someone told me, you know what firms don't go bust? Bookmakers and Lawyers, that's what you should study. Alas I was unable to find any bookmaking degrees.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    DavidL said:

    Maybe you use the wrong lawyers. The fee for buying or selling a house in Dundee is about the same as you paid in 1983. My old firm went into administration on Friday after 250 years. Times, they are a changing.

    To be fair it is true that basic conveyancing costs have come down a lot. But anything to do with litigation or preparing commercial contracts doesn't seem to have got any cheaper.
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