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edited August 2017 in General

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For only the second time since the shock General Election outcome YouGov has carried out a favourability poll on the main parties and their leaders and the contrast with the post election survey is striking.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    First!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,093
    Thecond!
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    No suprise really. The 'badness' of the election campaign by the Tories will start to fade from memory fairly quickly.

    It really was the social care issue where it swung around for May, although she was bad throughout.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,032
    edited August 2017
    Second like Jezza. This is no great surprise. Corbyn is good at campaigns. Poor at everything else. May is much better the less we see or hear from her.

    Edit...second when I started fourth by the time I finished. There must be an amusing, satirical simile somewhere in there, but am unable to find it.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Maybe people are starting to cotton on that he lost...
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,750
    edited August 2017
    Third.

    FPPT
    Allan said:

    The London rents have plateued in past few months, but the expansion of licencing requirements (designating them as HMOs with a licence required) to all landlords renting to 3+ tenants is reducing rental stock and increasing prices in the councils that have introduced it. Newham being the most "enthusiastic" in enforcing it to all and watching rents rise by 50% in 5 years to 2016, third highest % rise in London. There are even mortgage difficulties for landlords where an HMO designation is communicated by the council to the mortgage company who then use it as an excuse to end a BTL mortgage (on low rates) even though the property had 3 or more bedrooms!

    I agree with your sentiment about decisions to effectively in some areas ban shared houses and HMOs, driven partly by prejudice-based NIMBY campaigns.

    In Oxford it is comical - the Keystone Kops Council have made it very difficult to do eg loft conversions to increase density, so single professionals who could live in such "Friends" style houses are driven to buy small houses, which are then no longer available to the less well off young couples who need small houses for their young families.

    And because 2 sharers is not an HMO which need far more complex adaptation / management, there has been an increase in such dwellings - which also does not help young families.

    And that is a driver for Oxford Council demanding that they be allowed to put new housing on other Councils' greenfield land. And that is also leaving aside their desire to force students into expensive University accommodation rather than less expensive shared houses, which would seem to be in contradiction of their declared aims.

    As I understand Newham it is *all* rented property which require licenses. It seems not to matter that the scheme was launched on the basis of faked up claims about eg the entire Borough (incl. eg Muswell Hill) comprising a "failed housing market area". Councils are almost impossible to hold to practical account in this policy area.

    I could link to the published data where Newham estimated that their systems are so efficient that it cost them about £20-30 to cash a cheque or check a record at the Land Registry.

    At present Nottingham are attempting to impose something similar, which will cost each rented house about £100-200 a year - for an inexpensive property that is an extra week of rent.

    I have no sympathy for those landlords, however. If they are renting out a house on a normal BTL mortgage as an HMO, then those who have been sanctioned by their Lenders will be in violation of their mortgage terms (otherwise they couldn't do it), and may well be committing fraud plus perhaps not having a house safe enough to be an HMO (quality of fire alarm etc). Such should be cracked down on *hard*. Running larger HMOs is a job for professionals.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Mr. Jethop, thtop taking the pith.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,750
    On a PS, there is now an additional Govt check where a Council wish to impose a "Selective Landlord Licensing" scheme to more than 20% of their area. They have to convince the Minister, which at least for the present will act as a sanity check.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    FPT:

    AndyJS said:

    Here are the results of the Rwandan election:

    Paul Kagame: 98.79%
    Philippe Mpayimana: 0.73%
    Frank Habineza: 0.48%

    Turnout was 98.15%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_presidential_election,_2017

    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that perhaps Rwanda isn't a fully-functioning multi-party democracy?
    You'd think so, but that raises the question of why so many respectable publications are always informing us that Rwanda has the highest proportion of female parliamentarians of any country in the world.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alstewitn: TV veteran Sir Bruce Forsyth has died at the age of 89, his family have announced. (Press Association).
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    Scott_P said:

    @alstewitn: TV veteran Sir Bruce Forsyth has died at the age of 89, his family have announced. (Press Association).

    Well that's a shit end to the week.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    RIP Sir Bruce
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited August 2017
    Blair also polled better than his party, certainly in the early years as did Major
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    The half-life of Trump aides seems rather short.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

    https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

    Setting himself up to launch the Little England Independence Party?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,445

    No suprise really. The 'badness' of the election campaign by the Tories will start to fade from memory fairly quickly.

    It really was the social care issue where it swung around for May, although she was bad throughout.

    That, and failing to turn up for the debates.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,445
    How long can "creative ambivalence" work?
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited August 2017
    Balls.

    If Brucey - who in physical shape looked fitter and spritelier than me, or at least more rhythmic, just a couple of years ago - can't make it to 90, what hope do I have of getting to 100? Think I'm just going to have to retire earlier if I want a long retirement.

    In the mid-90s, when he was both hosting Bruce's Price is Right and Play Your Card Rights, he had two separate regular shows in BARB's top 10 list by audience ratings. Both frequently pulled in about 7 million viewed if I recall correctly, a number that only Corrie could reach last week now we've all gone multi-channel. The stuff was fluff, sure, but that's a remarkable feat to sustain, requiring a real connection with a wide audience, that very few TV personalities can manage - yet will likely go unremarked in his obituaries, because he did so much other stuff too. What an extraordinary entertainment career.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    "Several people stabbed in Finland, police say

    One man has been shot in the leg and arrested but police say they are looking for more potential suspects involved in the attack."

    http://news.sky.com/story/several-people-stabbed-in-finland-police-say-10994173
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    The suspects in the attacks in Barcelona and Cambrils were planning one or more bigger attacks than those that were carried out, police say.

    Catalonia's police chief said blasts in a town south of Barcelona on Wednesday deprived the plotters of bomb material, forcing them to carry out simpler attacks using vehicles to ram crowds.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited August 2017
    Pong said:

    Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

    https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

    Setting himself up to launch the Little England Independence Party?
    There are a small number of Leave voters in England who not only wanted to Leave the EU but Scotland to go independent too and indeed a number of SNP voters also voted Leave
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    Corbyn falling in the polls is no surprise as his hard left policies come under scrutiny.

    I do not think he will be PM at anytime in the future but who wins the next election and when it is is impossible to predict.

    And it is not out of the question that our next PM could be called 'Jacob' - to coin a Corbyn expression he has momentum
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited August 2017
    Pong said:

    Now even Guido Fawkes is arguing for the UK to be dissolved. The tectonic plates are shifting...

    https://unherd.com/the-feed-blog/bigger-isnt-always-better/

    Setting himself up to launch the Little England Independence Party?
    Staines is not a Little Englander though. The piece is right in line with his oft-expressed worldviews. Don't know if he'd feel truly at home in any UK party - I don't think we have an equivalent of the Irish late-lamented Progressive Democrats, do we?

    Incidentally, I think his argument is partly fallacious. There are lots of smaller countries, ergo it's no surprise to see lots of small countries top various international comparison charts. Moreover, small states show wider inter-state variance in sociodemographic indicators than if you amalgamated them into larger states. The positive outliers show up as shining examples in such "top 10" lists. The negative outliers go unremarked. Thought experiment: imagine Germany chopped up into its post-Napoleonic tapestry of borders. How many Germanic microstates would join Luxembourg (one of the few that didn't get incorporated into the German Empire after the Franco-Prussian War) among the suggested "best places in the world", even if switching from a large to small state produced zero change in their quality of governance?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,745
    I'm sure that being perceived to be an apologist for the gangs of men who rape schoolgirls will not do Jezza's ratings any harm at all...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited August 2017

    I'm sure that being perceived to be an apologist for the gangs of men who rape schoolgirls will not do Jezza's ratings any harm at all...

    He is very lucky the newscycle was otherwise distracted. The quote reads awfully, not wanting to criticize a particular group, but in the same breath banging on about "whites" committing lots of crimes.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,040

    Corbyn falling in the polls is no surprise as his hard left policies come under scrutiny.

    His hard left policies are quite popular. It's the shifty old fucker himself that people are ambivalent about.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited August 2017
    Scott_P said:
    And this is the reason why the Brexiters are not happy in victory and why they keep asking for more. Winning and having their demands met strips them of the victim status they wallow in. So their moment of triumph in the Referendum was also the moment of their defeat, and the reason they so assiduously seek out signs of betrayal is that betrayal is what would most readily allow a return to the comfort zone of victimhood. For the same reason, the narrative of being 'punished' by the EU is actually appealing to them. Likewise, only by constantly asking for more can they hope to reach the point where they are told they can have no more and, in that moment, again feel the masochistic thrill of being aggrieved.

    This is complete and utter balls. It sounds quite clever, because mock mass-psychoanalysis often does sound clever what with all those long words and stuff, but it is stupid. It isn't a coherent argument at all. It barely qualifies as a straw man. It assumes that one's opponents are homogeneous (dangerous and wrong), that they have all the horrible characteristics one hopes that one's opponents would have (wishful thinking and wrong), that their psychology, emotional state are motivations are as pathetic as one would hope they would be (still wrong).

    I'm sorry, they are powerful words and well-written, but it is total and utter guff. And yes, Brexiteers write total balls too, particularly when they got on their high horses about "traitors" and so on. But this is balls.
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Corbyn falling in the polls is no surprise as his hard left policies come under scrutiny.

    His hard left policies are quite popular. It's the shifty old fucker himself that people are ambivalent about.
    Not his hard left policies - more sensible left might well be - but anyone who sees Venezeula as his objective is unelectable in the UK
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    Happy Birthday SeanF

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    Just wondering, how many runs against the West Indies would really be taking the piss....1000?
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    Two people have been killed and at least six others injured in a stabbing in Finland, police officials say.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    From Brucey Bonus to Brucey Bones
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Just wondering, how many runs against the West Indies would really be taking the piss....1000?

    Past 600, or batting tomorrow (if there's rain today) I would say.
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    Just wondering, how many runs against the West Indies would really be taking the piss....1000?

    If Cook were to beat Lara's record that would really say something. He may run out of partners at this rate though.
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    Just wondering, how many runs against the West Indies would really be taking the piss....1000?

    If Cook were to beat Lara's record that would really say something. He may run out of partners at this rate though.
    Well it would say to be that the West Indies bowling attack probably isn't even good enough to play in the Birmingham League.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Just wondering, how many runs against the West Indies would really be taking the piss....1000?

    The forecast isn't good so I doubt they'll bat much longer.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    rcs1000 said:
    Not sure we've had many terrorist acts based on a misplaced belief in the superiority of White Muslims.

    Its generally been one or the other.....
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    Just wondering, how many runs against the West Indies would really be taking the piss....1000?

    If Cook were to beat Lara's record that would really say something. He may run out of partners at this rate though.
    Well it would say to be that the West Indies bowling attack probably isn't even good enough to play in the Birmingham League.
    I think that's already possibly the case. If I was Cook I'd be fancying my chances at that record this Test. I hope we don't declare while he's still batting.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    rcs1000 said:
    Un what?

    Is Aaron unwell?

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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,040

    Dura_Ace said:

    Corbyn falling in the polls is no surprise as his hard left policies come under scrutiny.

    His hard left policies are quite popular. It's the shifty old fucker himself that people are ambivalent about.
    Not his hard left policies - more sensible left might well be - but anyone who sees Venezeula as his objective is unelectable in the UK
    It's like GE2017 never happened...
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,728
    Is there a similar one for Trump's reaction to Charlottesville?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, it's like watching a 100m dash between two drunks at closing time.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Is there a similar one for Trump's reaction to Charlottesville?
    Comparing it to Corbyn, right?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Drudge says Bannon is out
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    rcs1000 said:
    Not sure we've had many terrorist acts based on a misplaced belief in the superiority of White Muslims.

    Its generally been one or the other.....
    Richard Reid was 75% white, 25% West Indian, or doesn't that count?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    Bugger! While its sad to see Brucie go, he had a good innings. Liz MacKean did not:

    https://twitter.com/jonathancmunro/status/898584405190561792
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,728

    Is there a similar one for Trump's reaction to Charlottesville?
    Comparing it to Corbyn, right?
    Er, no. That wouldn't be similar at all, now would it?
    I meant of course to compare Trump's reaction to the Charlottesville terrorist attack to the Muslim ones.
    But you knew that.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Is there a similar one for Trump's reaction to Charlottesville?
    Comparing it to Corbyn, right?
    Er, no. That wouldn't be similar at all, now would it?
    Very similar to his IRA and Venezuela comments...
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:
    Is Brevity an auto-correct for Brexit?
    Still doesn't make any sense but becomes more logical nonsense if so.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    And I thought UKIP had a heavy turnover.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Not sure we've had many terrorist acts based on a misplaced belief in the superiority of White Muslims.

    Its generally been one or the other.....
    Richard Reid was 75% white, 25% West Indian, or doesn't that count?
    Was he motivated by his 'Whiteness' or his 'faith'?

    I don't really care about the genetic composition of murderous bustards - I do care about what motivates them.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,149
    Has Trump heard that Nick Timothy is available?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Not sure we've had many terrorist acts based on a misplaced belief in the superiority of White Muslims.

    Its generally been one or the other.....
    Richard Reid was 75% white, 25% West Indian, or doesn't that count?
    Was he? I didn't realise that.

    Just thought he needed a shave and a proper haircut.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Yeah. Its hard to find anyone who isnt paid directly by Trump supporting him
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:
    Is Brevity an auto-correct for Brexit?
    Still doesn't make any sense but becomes more logical nonsense if so.
    @ukipnfkn's Twitter biog does rather read like a spoof.

    Curated news & lots of banter about #Brexit, #BluKip, #UKIP & #Trump! We are #StrongerIN the EU! #GE2017 #GenerationVote #ToriesOut
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Scott_P said:
    Scott_P said:
    Scott_P said:
    I hope this means less of the racist stuff coming out of the white house. It may be the price the GOP want to not keep turning the screws on Trump
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    619 said:
    The Arnold Schwarzenegger video is quite something too:
    Nice ones Romney and Schwarzenegger.
    I'm beginning to worry that just thinking of Trump is affecting my blood pressure. More, and more intense, exercise might help.
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    Bugger! While its sad to see Brucie go, he had a good innings. Liz MacKean did not:

    https://twitter.com/jonathancmunro/status/898584405190561792

    And treated disgracefully over saville investigation.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Happy birthday, Mr. F.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Not sure we've had many terrorist acts based on a misplaced belief in the superiority of White Muslims.

    Its generally been one or the other.....
    Richard Reid was 75% white, 25% West Indian, or doesn't that count?
    Was he motivated by his 'Whiteness' or his 'faith'?

    I don't really care about the genetic composition of murderous bustards - I do care about what motivates them.
    My point is that the "White" terrorist tag is a bit odd.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Not sure we've had many terrorist acts based on a misplaced belief in the superiority of White Muslims.

    Its generally been one or the other.....
    Richard Reid was 75% white, 25% West Indian, or doesn't that count?
    Was he motivated by his 'Whiteness' or his 'faith'?

    I don't really care about the genetic composition of murderous bustards - I do care about what motivates them.
    My point is that the "White" terrorist tag is a bit odd.
    Perhaps 'White Supremacist Terrorist' wouldn't fit?

    I thought the meaning - given the context - clear enough.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Mr. Toms, try some comedy. Or play with a dog. Both are good for de-stressing.

    Unless the dog's incredibly angry. But then you get good exercise.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited August 2017
    For some reason Trump has just made me think of the emperor's new clothes.

    http://tinyurl.com/ybcoa3sn

    P/S Agree about the humour MD.
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    AllanAllan Posts: 262
    edited August 2017

    Bugger! While its sad to see Brucie go, he had a good innings. Liz MacKean did not:

    https://twitter.com/jonathancmunro/status/898584405190561792

    And treated disgracefully over saville investigation.
    Early 50s? I expect an apology from the BBC and Newsnight in particular over their treatment of Liz MacKean. I may wait a while.
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    Test match finish tonight?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Oh dear! All out by tea?
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    Mortimer said:

    Oh dear! All out by tea?

    But enough about the White House.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997
    rcs1000 said:

    Happy Birthday SeanF

    Many thanks.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,849
    619 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Scott_P said:
    Scott_P said:
    I hope this means less of the racist stuff coming out of the white house. It may be the price the GOP want to not keep turning the screws on Trump
    I wouldn't bet on it. We could look back and say that with Bannon gone, there was no one left to restrain Trump...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997

    Scott_P said:
    And this is the reason why the Brexiters are not happy in victory and why they keep asking for more. Winning and having their demands met strips them of the victim status they wallow in. So their moment of triumph in the Referendum was also the moment of their defeat, and the reason they so assiduously seek out signs of betrayal is that betrayal is what would most readily allow a return to the comfort zone of victimhood. For the same reason, the narrative of being 'punished' by the EU is actually appealing to them. Likewise, only by constantly asking for more can they hope to reach the point where they are told they can have no more and, in that moment, again feel the masochistic thrill of being aggrieved.

    This is complete and utter balls. It sounds quite clever, because mock mass-psychoanalysis often does sound clever what with all those long words and stuff, but it is stupid. It isn't a coherent argument at all. It barely qualifies as a straw man. It assumes that one's opponents are homogeneous (dangerous and wrong), that they have all the horrible characteristics one hopes that one's opponents would have (wishful thinking and wrong), that their psychology, emotional state are motivations are as pathetic as one would hope they would be (still wrong).

    I'm sorry, they are powerful words and well-written, but it is total and utter guff. And yes, Brexiteers write total balls too, particularly when they got on their high horses about "traitors" and so on. But this is balls.
    This Brexiter is pretty content.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,997
    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    AndyJS said:

    Here are the results of the Rwandan election:

    Paul Kagame: 98.79%
    Philippe Mpayimana: 0.73%
    Frank Habineza: 0.48%

    Turnout was 98.15%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_presidential_election,_2017

    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that perhaps Rwanda isn't a fully-functioning multi-party democracy?
    You'd think so, but that raises the question of why so many respectable publications are always informing us that Rwanda has the highest proportion of female parliamentarians of any country in the world.
    I think that, by and large, Kagame has done well, but that result is a farce.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited August 2017
    Now bannon is going, what mates has Donald got left? I also somehow doubt bannon will go quietly.

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    Not surprised. Both Corbyn and May are pretty terrible.

    Both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Romney's statements are fantastic. Loved Schwarzenegger's statement in particular, I thought it was very eloquent. I also see that James Murdoch isn't too happy with Trump's reaction to Charlottesville either. It'll be very interesting to see where this goes from here. I agreed with some Conservative commentators on Twitter that the Democrats need to focus more on Trump's Charlottesville statements than the Confederate statues issue (as much as I agree with many Democrats on that).

    Re Rees-Mogg @Big_G_NorthWales I haven't read anything that indicates he's winning over significant numbers of Tory MPs, or indeed that those who weren't already right leaning/anti-Corbyn support him. For the most part it seems he generating ethnuaism mostly among those who already voted Conservative. Surely they need to err, convince some of those who didn't vote for them in June that they should switch their vote? Perhaps the next Tory leader is someone not even on the radar right now.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    Not surprised. Both Corbyn and May are pretty terrible.

    Both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Romney's statements are fantastic. Loved Schwarzenegger's statement in particular, I thought it was very eloquent. I also see that James Murdoch isn't too happy with Trump's reaction to Charlottesville either. It'll be very interesting to see where this goes from here. I agreed with some Conservative commentators on Twitter that the Democrats need to focus more on Trump's Charlottesville statements than the Confederate statues issue (as much as I agree with many Democrats on that).

    Re Rees-Mogg @Big_G_NorthWales I haven't read anything that indicates he's winning over significant numbers of Tory MPs, or indeed that those who weren't already right leaning/anti-Corbyn support him. For the most part it seems he generating ethnuaism mostly among those who already voted Conservative. Surely they need to err, convince some of those who didn't vote for them in June that they should switch their vote? Perhaps the next Tory leader is someone not even on the radar right now.

    Understand the logic, but actually disagree that we need more Tory voters.

    We need more of the left to vote Lib Dem :-)
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Mortimer said:

    Not surprised. Both Corbyn and May are pretty terrible.

    Both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Romney's statements are fantastic. Loved Schwarzenegger's statement in particular, I thought it was very eloquent. I also see that James Murdoch isn't too happy with Trump's reaction to Charlottesville either. It'll be very interesting to see where this goes from here. I agreed with some Conservative commentators on Twitter that the Democrats need to focus more on Trump's Charlottesville statements than the Confederate statues issue (as much as I agree with many Democrats on that).

    Re Rees-Mogg @Big_G_NorthWales I haven't read anything that indicates he's winning over significant numbers of Tory MPs, or indeed that those who weren't already right leaning/anti-Corbyn support him. For the most part it seems he generating ethnuaism mostly among those who already voted Conservative. Surely they need to err, convince some of those who didn't vote for them in June that they should switch their vote? Perhaps the next Tory leader is someone not even on the radar right now.

    Understand the logic, but actually disagree that we need more Tory voters.
    We need more of the left to vote Lib Dem :-)
    Especially where the Lib Dems can win the seat! I don`t often agree with you, Mr Mortimer, but I do on that one!
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited August 2017
    Mortimer said:

    Not surprised. Both Corbyn and May are pretty terrible.

    Both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Romney's statements are fantastic. Loved Schwarzenegger's statement in particular, I thought it was very eloquent. I also see that James Murdoch isn't too happy with Trump's reaction to Charlottesville either. It'll be very interesting to see where this goes from here. I agreed with some Conservative commentators on Twitter that the Democrats need to focus more on Trump's Charlottesville statements than the Confederate statues issue (as much as I agree with many Democrats on that).

    Re Rees-Mogg @Big_G_NorthWales I haven't read anything that indicates he's winning over significant numbers of Tory MPs, or indeed that those who weren't already right leaning/anti-Corbyn support him. For the most part it seems he generating ethnuaism mostly among those who already voted Conservative. Surely they need to err, convince some of those who didn't vote for them in June that they should switch their vote? Perhaps the next Tory leader is someone not even on the radar right now.

    Understand the logic, but actually disagree that we need more Tory voters.

    We need more of the left to vote Lib Dem :-)
    Given the brief bits of information I've read on Labour's Brexit position in recent weeks, I'd say that it's unlikely the LDs are going to take many votes from Labour. It looks like they are veering towards less of a hard Brexit position, which means that even discontented Remainers are likely to remain with them. Besides, although many who voted Labour are Remainers, they voted for Corbyn for reasons that were more than just disliking TMay's position on Brexit. The LDs right now, are still positioning themselves as the anti-Brexit party. While I agree with much of what Cable says, the LDs are going to need to be more than that if they want to take votes from Labour. Which right now, I see little signs of them doing, or at least doing it successfully.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Sweden has rejected the asylum application of the 'world's oldest refugee' and have ordered that she return home to her native Afghanistan.

    Bibihal Uzbeki, 106, fled Afghanistan via Iran, Turkey and Greece before ending up in Sweden."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802954/Sweden-rejects-world-s-oldest-refugee-asylum.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    i guess if the mooch is right, bannom will have more quality time now to suck his own cock
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Happy Birthday SeanF

    Many thanks.
    Happy birthday, old boy.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,149
    Mortimer said:

    Understand the logic, but actually disagree that we need more Tory voters.

    We need more of the left to vote Lib Dem :-)

    The flaw in your logic is that many of the people you call 'the left' are Tory voters.
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    Interior Minister Paula Risikko described the suspect as "foreign-looking" and linked the attack to the murder of 14 people in Barcelona
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    stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    I still believe that Corbyn is a liability to Labour getting elected.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,995
    A 20 point swing in the VI would be nice too :smiley:
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,862

    Interior Minister Paula Risikko described the suspect as "foreign-looking" and linked the attack to the murder of 14 people in Barcelona

    "foreign-looking"... that's helpful!
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    stevef said:

    I still believe that Corbyn is a liability to Labour getting elected.

    I doubt very much he'll still be around by the next GE. I doubt he'd have made it to 2020 had it not been for the snap election (possibly a factor in calling it, get the stonking majority before he's gone).

    However even now that his stock has improved due to the better than expected election loss, I doubt he'll make it to 2022. Nor are the Tories likely to go for another snap election any time soon.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    I have to say i'm increasingly sick of "old people" and I'm 63 with thier sense of entitlement, rigid views and yearning for a past that is long gone. They claim they act in the interests of thier children and grand children but they don't really because they know best. Thier will be much grieving for the passing of Brucie but FGS it was bland shit thoughtless TV. Where are our young super heroes coming from? (rant over will go back in my cave)
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,862
    So May is now only twice as unpopular as Corbyn? And less popular here than Trump is in the US? Strike up the band!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    Nor are the Tories likely to go for another snap election any time soon.

    At least not by choice...
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