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Some of their highest appellate courts are and have been The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
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MSmithson, there is no specific mandate for any other particular form either. The mandate will come when the Commons votes between the deal her government negotiates and leaving with no deal at all.MikeSmithson said:
Exactly. There is NO mandate for TMay's BrexitSouthamObserver said:
Mrs May put her Brexit vision in front of the ectorate and voters said No Thank-you.Mortimer said:
Brexit bot malfunction this morning - neither swivel eyed nor willy waving mentioned.SouthamObserver said:
I would not compare the Brexit right to the KKK. They are deluded imperialists yearning for a trade-based Empire 2.0, not white supremacists. We are nowhere near having the same breakdown the US is in the process of having.freetochoose said:@southam
I'd like to press you on this:
Throw in her decision to embrace the Brexit right's extremism
I'd be grateful if you could give an example of this. Please bear in mind last night's conversation centred around the KKK.
But May embraced the No Surrender, White Cliffs of Dover, cliff-edge Brexiteers after the referendum. She's been hobbled because voters did not give her the mandate to pursue that. But her bed has been made.
Mrs May embraced the only form of Brexit which is actually worthwhile or achivable - so called soft Brexit would be worse than we have now (from a sovereignty POV).
What there is unquestionably a mandate for, and arguably two mandates, is for us to Leave the EU in some form. I know you hate this to the point that it's made you lose the plot, but it's true.0 -
Jersey has the Duke of Normandy as Head of State - who happens to also be the Queen at the same time.HYUFD said:
While most former colonies now have their own Presidents or monarchs, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Falklands, Gibraltar and a few Caribbean islands like Barbados and Jamaica do indeed share our Queen with us as well as most of our political and legal traditionsfoxinsoxuk said:
Democracy, English language, free judiciary, free press, parliamentary government. etc etc. Plenty of shared cultural values. Many even have our Queen as head of state.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
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Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.0 -
Britain will not police cross-border smuggling in Ireland with permanent customs checks in the event of a hard Brexit, ministers warned the European Union yesterday.
In an explicit threat before the next round of negotiations in Brussels, the government said that Britain would “always prioritise” demands to keep a soft border between north and south
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-will-not-police-the-irish-border-ministers-say-5fx5fz6qh0 -
edit: someone else got there...ydoethur said:
Totally off topic, but to lighten the mood:foxinsoxuk said:Yes but if a PR company can put up a plausible defence of the indefensible, then it is surely a feather in their cap?
I came across a poem by Burns I'd never heard of yesterday. It was about a young soldier who duebto his prowess was allowed to put a feather in his hat.
Unfortunately the feather came from a male chicken, and the hat in question was a beaver hat...
...so there really is a Burns poem called Cock Up Your Beaver.
How language changes, eh?0 -
I don't know this for a fact, of course, not least because the government says the opposite, but I think we will stay in the EU "customs union". The logic of what the government says drives that. Yesterday we saw an abysmal "position" paper on customs arrangements that put forward no meaningful positions on those arrangements. Today apparently there will be no customs posts on the Irish border. The papers have no position because the probable real position is one they are not prepared to admit to. Not being willing to state your objectives is a nonsense way to negotiate, but there we go.SouthamObserver said:The government has recognised that leaving the customs union will push up business costs and increase bureaucracy. That, of course, is the direct opposite of what we were told would happen.
As people probably don't mind too much being rule takers on tariffs and product regulation, being in the EU "customs union" should be relatively uncontroversial, unlike the EEA. But it removes the final justification for Brexit - the mythical "ability* to do our own trade deals". Everything else is a mediocre mess.
* The weasel word is ability. Even in a customs union we have to do our own trade deals. The question is whether we work with the EU system or outside it, bearing in mind those third countries also work with the the EU system, including currently with us.0 -
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
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Of course you can. You would then be a leader without leadership skills. But you would still be a leader.chrisoxon said:
You've been taking lessons from Chapman! You can take on a leadership role without having leadership skills...TOPPING said:
Huh? POTUS is not a leader? He is the most important leader on the planet.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.0 -
You don't think there's an element of Mike talking his own book in what is essentially a very thin market ?TheScreamingEagles said:Excellent tip Mike, glad I took the 20/1 too, especially as the price is currently suspended.
I note with interest that James has retweeted Mike's tweet about the bet.
(I'm not suggesting any hint of impropriety, merely saying that this one doesn't appeal to me as a trading bet.)
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Brexiteers who are laughing Chappers off, are probably right, but not certainly right.
This is beginning to have a feel that something might happen.
And the idea that a insurrection of Remainers twinned with people fed up of extremists running both main parties (huge numbers) will never take off because of X,Y and Z lessons of history, clearly haven't been following the news in the last two years.
This is pure black swan. Far end of the tail, but nevertheless on the tail.0 -
Yes, she still has a lot of titles some even dating back to the Middle Ages like the Duke of NormandyGeoffM said:
Jersey has the Duke of Normandy as Head of State - who happens to also be the Queen at the same time.HYUFD said:
While most former colonies now have their own Presidents or monarchs, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Falklands, Gibraltar and a few Caribbean islands like Barbados and Jamaica do indeed share our Queen with us as well as most of our political and legal traditionsfoxinsoxuk said:
Democracy, English language, free judiciary, free press, parliamentary government. etc etc. Plenty of shared cultural values. Many even have our Queen as head of state.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
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Interesting point actually. Were there Remainers in India in 1947?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, the only people who keep banging on about the empire are those attacking our departure from the EU.
It must be the first time in history a country has left a supra-national body by its own volition, only for those unhappy with the decision to cite imperialism as the cause.0 -
DD is going nowhere.
We could bet on whether Isobel Oakshott has hair extensions though...0 -
I also agree with the sentiment but am shocked by the apparent dictatorial control style:JosiasJessop said:
IAWEM (*)ydoethur said:
I was wondering what the Education Maintenance Allowance had to do with the EU, then I realised you meant the European Medicines Agency.williamglenn said:
Charles didn't know or care that the EMA is an EU institution. It's fair to say his understanding of the EU is incomplete.SouthamObserver said:
Hence the dozens of free trade agreements it has concluded, of course.Charles said:
Europe is a Customs Union (or Zollverein) not a Free Trade Area.CornishJohn said:
The EU is not the largest free trade agreement in the world. NAFTA is. NAFTA also does not restrict you from joining other free trade agreements as the EU does.Scott_P said:
By pulling out of the largest free trade agreement in the Worldfreetochoose said:free trade Brexiteers want to trade with and embrace the world
Delusional
It puts up protectionist walls around itself, rather than advocating free trade
Fewer alphabet soups would be nice. I feel we have become fat on them.
(*) I agree with Elon Musk:
https://twitter.com/davejohnson/status/602951117413216256
"I will take drastic action... ...Unless an acronym is approved by me".
Presumably there will have to be an EAAL (Elon Approved Acronym List) maintained.
Sounds like a fun environment to work in!0 -
Despite Brexit / We haven't left yet
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-16/employment-rate-rises-to-highest-on-record-in-latest-figures/0 -
Great thread. Opening comment from FT's man in Brussels:
https://twitter.com/alanbeattie/status/8975716144093265920 -
FGM, the caste system, abject poverty, shanty towns etc etc.foxinsoxuk said:
Democracy, English language, free judiciary, free press, parliamentary government. etc etc. Plenty of shared cultural values. Many even have our Queen as head of state.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Confirmation bias is evident in every one of your posts. Go to Kingston and congratulate them on their "strong British values".0 -
A testament to the golden economic legacy George Osborne bequeathed Mrs May.CarlottaVance said:Despite Brexit / We haven't left yet
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-08-16/employment-rate-rises-to-highest-on-record-in-latest-figures/0 -
Who needs Europe when we have Papua New Guinea to work with?HYUFD said:
While most former colonies now have their own Presidents or monarchs, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Falklands, Gibraltar and a few Caribbean islands like Barbados and Jamaica and Pacific islands like Papua New Guinea do indeed share our Queen with us as well as most of our political and legal traditions0 -
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
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Thanks for saying "FT" before the retweet. Saved me paying it any credit.rottenborough said:Great thread. Opening comment from FT's man in Brussels:
twitter.com/alanbeattie/status/8975716144093265920 -
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.0 -
Mr. Eagles, Antifa sound pretty scummy. Opposing Neo-Nazis doesn't mean supporting Antifa.0
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You've got to have a soft spot for a country where violent criminals are called "rascals"!NickPalmer said:
Who needs Europe when we have Papua New Guinea to work with?HYUFD said:
While most former colonies now have their own Presidents or monarchs, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Falklands, Gibraltar and a few Caribbean islands like Barbados and Jamaica and Pacific islands like Papua New Guinea do indeed share our Queen with us as well as most of our political and legal traditions0 -
nichomar - but there is a customs system for half our imports already?0
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Britain is not enforcing external borders now apparently, so it must be an empty threat.CarlottaVance said:Britain will not police cross-border smuggling in Ireland with permanent customs checks in the event of a hard Brexit, ministers warned the European Union yesterday.
In an explicit threat before the next round of negotiations in Brussels, the government said that Britain would “always prioritise” demands to keep a soft border between north and south
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-will-not-police-the-irish-border-ministers-say-5fx5fz6qh
The European anti-fraud office, OLAF, has recommended the UK pay €1.98bn into the EU budget to compensate for lost customs duties, as a result of a failure by British customs officials to crack down on criminal gangs using fake invoices and making false claims about the value of clothes and shoes imported from China.m...OLAF said the fraud was ongoing and pointed out the cost to national exchequers was even greater. France, Germany, Spain and Italy are estimated to have lost a combined €3.2bn from 2013 to 2016 in VAT revenues, as a result of British failures in handling imports at its ports. ... A senior French anti-fraud investigator said the UK had mostly not responded to requests to trace goods. [He] told Politico that his British counterparts had not made an effort. “UK authorities are not interested at all in co-operating in this field, probably because the phenomenon does not directly affect them.”0 -
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
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And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
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They beat up a rather pretty young political reporter called Taylor Lorenz at the demonstration but that doesn't fit the lefty narrative so it's been airbrushed.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, Antifa sound pretty scummy. Opposing Neo-Nazis doesn't mean supporting Antifa.
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As quite a few are former NASA engineers, it's possibly rather less oppressive environment in some respects than that bureaucracy. And if you're going to work for a tech 'visionary', it comes with the territory...Benpointer said:
I also agree with the sentiment but am shocked by the apparent dictatorial control style:JosiasJessop said:
IAWEM (*)ydoethur said:
I was wondering what the Education Maintenance Allowance had to do with the EU, then I realised you meant the European Medicines Agency.williamglenn said:
Charles didn't know or care that the EMA is an EU institution. It's fair to say his understanding of the EU is incomplete.SouthamObserver said:
Hence the dozens of free trade agreements it has concluded, of course.Charles said:
Europe is a Customs Union (or Zollverein) not a Free Trade Area.CornishJohn said:
The EU is not the largest free trade agreement in the world. NAFTA is. NAFTA also does not restrict you from joining other free trade agreements as the EU does.Scott_P said:
By pulling out of the largest free trade agreement in the Worldfreetochoose said:free trade Brexiteers want to trade with and embrace the world
Delusional
It puts up protectionist walls around itself, rather than advocating free trade
Fewer alphabet soups would be nice. I feel we have become fat on them.
(*) I agree with Elon Musk:
https://twitter.com/davejohnson/status/602951117413216256
"I will take drastic action... ...Unless an acronym is approved by me".
Presumably there will have to be an EAAL (Elon Approved Acronym List) maintained.
Sounds like a fun environment to work in!
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Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.0 -
Groan.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
No doubt they'll have a series versus Malta.0 -
Well it benefits its members at the expense of the overall world, so I don't like it. But it's better than a closed economy.SouthamObserver said:
Sounds awful.Charles said:
Yes. A Zollverein attempt to maximise the benefits to its members. Bilateral agreements are part of that.SouthamObserver said:
Hence the dozens of free trade agreements it has concluded, of course.Charles said:
Europe is a Customs Union (or Zollverein) not a Free Trade Area.CornishJohn said:
The EU is not the largest free trade agreement in the world. NAFTA is. NAFTA also does not restrict you from joining other free trade agreements as the EU does.Scott_P said:
By pulling out of the largest free trade agreement in the Worldfreetochoose said:free trade Brexiteers want to trade with and embrace the world
Delusional
It puts up protectionist walls around itself, rather than advocating free trade
If it was just a Customs Union between equal members then I would have been fine with that. It was the direction of travel - and the fact that we were likely to have been consistently outvoted in future - that troubled me.0 -
It's also a profoundly stupid threat to make. Not only does it annoy the people you are negotiating with when you have a weak hand and are dependent on their indifference, if not good will. The mearest threat of flooding the EU with smuggled goods will see the borders between us and the EU tightened up and our exports slowed to a trickle.CarlottaVance said:Britain will not police cross-border smuggling in Ireland with permanent customs checks in the event of a hard Brexit, ministers warned the European Union yesterday.
In an explicit threat before the next round of negotiations in Brussels, the government said that Britain would “always prioritise” demands to keep a soft border between north and south
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-will-not-police-the-irish-border-ministers-say-5fx5fz6qh0 -
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.0 -
I don't remember any Salty Seaman. Titty was short for Titania.ydoethur said:
My goodness.Sean_F said:
Arthur Ransome included three characters called Able Seaman Titty, Salty Seaman, and Roger the Ship's Boy, in Swallows and Amazons.ydoethur said:
Totally off topic, but to lighten the mood:foxinsoxuk said:Yes but if a PR company can put up a plausible defence of the indefensible, then it is surely a feather in their cap?
I came across a poem by Burns I'd never heard of yesterday. It was about a young soldier who duebto his prowess was allowed to put a feather in his hat.
Unfortunately the feather came from a male chicken, and the hat in question was a beaver hat...
...so there really is a Burns poem called Cock Up Your Beaver.
How language changes, eh?
Something I have always found a bit odd is how often children's fiction about prosperous middle-class characters at private schools turns out to have been written by prosperous middle-class lefties who sent their children to private schools and who loathe other people's prosperity (even when less than their own), the middle class, and private schools.
Anthony Buckeridge worked at, wrote about (Jennings) and hated private schools. Arthur Ransome was another lefty and now of course we have J K Rowling.
I daily expect to learn that Dornford Yates voted Labour.0 -
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?0 -
Buy a Koresh hoodie, get a retweet?freetochoose said:
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- y thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.
Can't believe we are taking seriously an obsessed saddo who spends his family holiday moaning about last years referendum on twitter. Sign of a proper weirdo0 -
tbh there is so much tosh posted on here it pays to ignore most of itGeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?0 -
I think we are all on dangerous territory pronouncing someone sad because of when or where they post on social media (24,173 and counting, eh Sam...)isam said:
Buy a Koresh hoodie, get a retweet?freetochoose said:
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- y thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.
Can't believe we are taking seriously an obsessed saddo who spends his family holiday moaning about last years referendum on twitter. Sign of a proper weirdo0 -
Oops. I meant reigning runners up. Honest.GeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?0 -
Yeah, Chapman's no better ;-)isam said:
Buy a Koresh hoodie, get a retweet?freetochoose said:
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- y thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.
Can't believe we are taking seriously an obsessed saddo who spends his family holiday moaning about last years referendum on twitter. Sign of a proper weirdo
(joke Mr Smithson)0 -
Perhaps Chapman has looked at Trump and Momentum and concluded that you need to be as obnoxious and in your face as possible, and eshew all previous conventions. It might work but I have my doubts.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.0 -
Mr. Topping, all the cool kids chat about the Second Punic War. Everyone knows that.0
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There's a sense of the ends justify the means about them that I'm not particularly happy with.GeoffM said:
They beat up a rather pretty young political reporter called Taylor Lorenz at the demonstration but that doesn't fit the lefty narrative so it's been airbrushed.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, Antifa sound pretty scummy. Opposing Neo-Nazis doesn't mean supporting Antifa.
If you've followed some of the stuff going down in US campuses (Evergreen state college for a start, but there's many more), its the same mentality.
So, this weekend, yes, these are pretty much all real Nazis.
Tomorrow?
The day after that?0 -
Yes but this is *cricket* and therefore important.freetochoose said:
tbh there is so much tosh posted on here it pays to ignore most of itGeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
As any fule kno, cricket was only in the 1900 Olympics and the Devon and Somerset Wanderers beat the French Athletic Club Union (made up mostly of GB expats) by 158 runs.
Standard pub quiz trivia, to be fair.0 -
But only the real cool kids know that the Second Punic War was a disaster for Carthage.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, all the cool kids chat about the Second Punic War. Everyone knows that.
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There was an informal collaboration between national regulatory bodies that was brought together under the aegis of the EU. They didn't create that concept of collaboration - it existed before they got involved.williamglenn said:
You could apply the same logic to almost anything: "When I think about borderless trade within Europe I am working, not playing. Its origins are utterly irrelevant." Who cares about the political developments that have underpinned it? Thinking that politics is something for other people to worry about is a perfectly noble position, but it breaks down when you start commenting on it and seeking to influence others.Charles said:
Because when I think about the EMA I am working, not playing. Its origins are utterly irrelevant.williamglenn said:
Charles didn't know or care that the EMA is an EU institution. It's fair to say his understanding of the EU is incomplete.SouthamObserver said:
Hence the dozens of free trade agreements it has concluded, of course.Charles said:
Europe is a Customs Union (or Zollverein) not a Free Trade Area.CornishJohn said:
The EU is not the largest free trade agreement in the world. NAFTA is. NAFTA also does not restrict you from joining other free trade agreements as the EU does.Scott_P said:
By pulling out of the largest free trade agreement in the Worldfreetochoose said:free trade Brexiteers want to trade with and embrace the world
Delusional
It puts up protectionist walls around itself, rather than advocating free trade
I do find it interesting that you think a minor factual error with no wider implications is some sort of killer debating point. It really isn't.
As for the working/playing comment: I have significant capital deployed in businesses that are dependent on decisions made by the FDA, USDA, EMA and various other regulatory bodies. That is more important to me than ancient history.0 -
Yeah I fess up to googling it with a furrowed brow. Sounds like a hell of a game.GeoffM said:
Yes but this is *cricket* and therefore important.freetochoose said:
tbh there is so much tosh posted on here it pays to ignore most of itGeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
As any fule kno, cricket was only in the 1900 Olympics and the Devon and Somerset Wanderers beat the French Athletic Club Union (made up mostly of GB expats) by 158 runs.
Standard pub quiz trivia, to be fair.0 -
So France are the reigning Olympic silver medallists in cricket.GeoffM said:
Yes but this is *cricket* and therefore important.freetochoose said:
tbh there is so much tosh posted on here it pays to ignore most of itGeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
As any fule kno, cricket was only in the 1900 Olympics and the Devon and Somerset Wanderers beat the French Athletic Club Union (made up mostly of GB expats) by 158 runs.
Standard pub quiz trivia, to be fair.0 -
The Manchester Arena is to reopen on the 9th of September, Rick Astley is going to perform.
Sod Chappers rally that day, I'm going to see Rick Astley live again.0 -
Terrible to hear from the Mighty Chappers that old DD is a lazy bones. This doesn't surprise me though - Dominic Cummings revealed that DD and IDS were more interested in silly gossip about Cherie Blair than in vital matters of national import. Quite frankly, the 'Three Brexiteers' have done nothing but disappoint and are ruining the Brexit brand. Theresa should do something radical. Sack Boris, DD and Fox and get Rees-Mogg to do the job of all three. Whilst he may not be to everyone's taste, you can't dispute that he's a fairly bright chap and is very keen.0
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Only if people follow you. Otherwise you're just a bloke talking to himself.TOPPING said:
Of course you can. You would then be a leader without leadership skills. But you would still be a leader.chrisoxon said:
You've been taking lessons from Chapman! You can take on a leadership role without having leadership skills...TOPPING said:
Huh? POTUS is not a leader? He is the most important leader on the planet.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.0 -
Odd thing - I thought that, I'd read that 'fact' plenty of times. One check - nope. GB won silver on the day, but its been recognised as a full olympic event subsequently.GeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
There's a statue of a lion in my home town. Everyone knew the guy committed suicide after he built it as the stance was wrong. Everyone. Except,
wikipedia
"Rumours persist that Simonds committed suicide on learning that the lion's gait was incorrectly that of a domestic cat. In fact, he made careful observations on lions and the stance was anatomically correct. He also lived for another 43 years, enjoying continuing success as a sculptor going on to create a statue of Queen Victoria (1887) and a statue of George Palmer (1891). He retired from sculpting in 1903 and worked in the family business eventually becoming its chairman in 1910. In 1922 he temporarily came out of retirement to build the Bradfield war memorial which commemorated the deaths in the First World War of those in the 2nd Battalion, South Wales Borderers which included his son."
amazing.0 -
Can't help thinking we're witnessing some sort of online breakdown here.CarlottaVance said:
Poor chap, so many on here have placed such great faith in him.0 -
So what you're saying, MSmithson, is that voters voted Labour on a false prospectus.MikeSmithson said:
Voting Labour was seen as way of impeding Brexit, particularly TMay's interpretation of it, as all the post election research showydoethur said:
So no practical difference then?SouthamObserver said:
The evidence seems to suggest that whatever it said in the Labour manifesto, Labour's surge in support came as a result of a lot of voters believing that there would be a kinder, gentler Brexit were Labour to negotiate it. Labour's manifesto was full cake and eat it. The one area of major difference with the Tories was on EU citizens' rights.ydoethur said:How did it differ substantially from Labour's position?
Genuine question.
I can't help but feel that if you vote for what a party puts in its manifesto, you are supporting that manifesto, although it may be (indeed probably is!) naive of me.
Of course we all know politicians have been lying about this all the way through. Although much is made of this NHS pledge, to my mind the far more deceitful phrase was Hannan claiming nobody was suggesting we would leave the single market (which was false on every possible level).
But if people voted Labour, Labour were quite open about their wish to leave the SM and end unrestricted free movement. Therefore, it has to be considered it is supported by their voters, or at least the majority of them. I can't see that those two did not show a huge majority - and since that is in effect hard Brexit there was a mandate for it.0 -
He certainly wouldn't be seen dead in a 'DD' t-shirt.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible to hear from the Mighty Chappers that old DD is a lazy bones. This doesn't surprise me though - Dominic Cummings revealed that DD and IDS were more interested in silly gossip about Cherie Blair than in vital matters of national import. Quite frankly, the 'Three Brexiteers' have done nothing but disappoint and are ruining the Brexit brand. Theresa should do something radical. Sack Boris, DD and Fox and get Rees-Mogg to do the job of all three. Whilst he may not be to everyone's taste, you can't dispute that he's a fairly bright chap and is very keen.
Or, indeed, any type of t-shirt.0 -
Mr. Eagles, it's ironic that the city itself (rather than Hamilcar or Hannibal individually) only really put its shoulder to the wheel in the Third Punic War. What should've been a two day walkover for Rome lasted years.
Mr. Eagles (2), fair enough. He'll never let you down.0 -
Is he really equating the tories with Nazis now?CarlottaVance said:
The world's gone mad, or at least he has.0 -
Isn't she due back from hols tomorrow?CarlottaVance said:0 -
There is a suggestion that cricket (almost) in the form of t20 be included in the 2024 Olympics and there’s some discussion about havimng it again in a future Commonweath Games.It was included in 1988.GeoffM said:
Yes but this is *cricket* and therefore important.freetochoose said:
tbh there is so much tosh posted on here it pays to ignore most of itGeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
As any fule kno, cricket was only in the 1900 Olympics and the Devon and Somerset Wanderers beat the French Athletic Club Union (made up mostly of GB expats) by 158 runs.
Standard pub quiz trivia, to be fair.0 -
That's what occurred to me when this started a few days ago and before the alleged "anti-Chappers briefing" started. And now he's up against Rock Astley.....we know what that day's news lead will be.freetochoose said:
Can't help thinking we're witnessing some sort of online breakdown here.CarlottaVance said:
Poor chap, so many on here have placed such great faith in him.0 -
Said on the BBC this morning that she was visiting the QEII, ...... that’s the ship, for avoidance of doubt ..... ‘soon’!rottenborough said:
Isn't she due back from hols tomorrow?CarlottaVance said:
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Given that rugby 7s is in, I don't see why T20 and futsal shouldn't be considered.OldKingCole said:
There is a suggestion that cricket (almost) in the form of t20 be included in the 2024 Olympics and there’s some discussion about havimng it again in a future Commonweath Games.It was included in 1988.GeoffM said:
Yes but this is *cricket* and therefore important.freetochoose said:
tbh there is so much tosh posted on here it pays to ignore most of itGeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
As any fule kno, cricket was only in the 1900 Olympics and the Devon and Somerset Wanderers beat the French Athletic Club Union (made up mostly of GB expats) by 158 runs.
Standard pub quiz trivia, to be fair.0 -
Back in Downing St tomorrow- visiting Portsmouth today to see the Navy's new toy HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH (the ship!)rottenborough said:
Isn't she due back from hols tomorrow?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Well, I am certainly not expecting Corbyn, Milne and co, to impede Brexit; they think its a great idea.ThreeQuidder said:
So what you're saying, MSmithson, is that voters voted Labour on a false prospectus.MikeSmithson said:
Voting Labour was seen as way of impeding Brexit, particularly TMay's interpretation of it, as all the post election research showydoethur said:
So no practical difference then?SouthamObserver said:
The evidence seems to suggest that whatever it said in the Labour manifesto, Labour's surge in support came as a result of a lot of voters believing that there would be a kinder, gentler Brexit were Labour to negotiate it. Labour's manifesto was full cake and eat it. The one area of major difference with the Tories was on EU citizens' rights.ydoethur said:How did it differ substantially from Labour's position?
Genuine question.
I can't help but feel that if you vote for what a party puts in its manifesto, you are supporting that manifesto, although it may be (indeed probably is!) naive of me.
Of course we all know politicians have been lying about this all the way through. Although much is made of this NHS pledge, to my mind the far more deceitful phrase was Hannan claiming nobody was suggesting we would leave the single market (which was false on every possible level).
But if people voted Labour, Labour were quite open about their wish to leave the SM and end unrestricted free movement. Therefore, it has to be considered it is supported by their voters, or at least the majority of them. I can't see that those two did not show a huge majority - and since that is in effect hard Brexit there was a mandate for it.
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Think what it could have been if not for bans!TOPPING said:
I think we are all on dangerous territory pronouncing someone sad because of when or where they post on social media (24,173 and counting, eh Sam...)isam said:
Buy a Koresh hoodie, get a retweet?freetochoose said:
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the .TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- y thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.
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You have the mechanics of power to ensure that people follow you. Because you are a leader.Charles said:
Only if people follow you. Otherwise you're just a bloke talking to himself.TOPPING said:
Of course you can. You would then be a leader without leadership skills. But you would still be a leader.chrisoxon said:
You've been taking lessons from Chapman! You can take on a leadership role without having leadership skills...TOPPING said:
Huh? POTUS is not a leader? He is the most important leader on the planet.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.0 -
One in five unemployed people in the UK are migrants, official figures have revealed for the first time.
The figures show that 317,000 migrants are unemployed, including 98,000 who were born in the EU and 219,000 born outside the EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/one-five-unemployed-people-uk-migrantsofficial-figures-reveal/amp/0 -
That appears to be a common urban myth, not restricted to lion statues..BannedInParis said:
Odd thing - I thought that, I'd read that 'fact' plenty of times. One check - nope. GB won silver on the day, but its been recognised as a full olympic event subsequently.GeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
There's a statue of a lion in my home town. Everyone knew the guy committed suicide after he built it as the stance was wrong. Everyone. Except,
wikipedia
"Rumours persist that Simonds committed suicide on learning that the lion's gait was incorrectly that of a domestic cat. In fact, he made careful observations on lions and the stance was anatomically correct. He also lived for another 43 years, enjoying continuing success as a sculptor going on to create a statue of Queen Victoria (1887) and a statue of George Palmer (1891). He retired from sculpting in 1903 and worked in the family business eventually becoming its chairman in 1910. In 1922 he temporarily came out of retirement to build the Bradfield war memorial which commemorated the deaths in the First World War of those in the 2nd Battalion, South Wales Borderers which included his son."
amazing.
http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/listed/princealbert.htm0 -
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Quite right. Whilst it might be a touch contrived, Rees-Mogg comes across as a gent with impeccable manners. I can't see him leering at busty women or groping Diane Abbott. Fox and DD are just grim old throwbacks from the IDS era who are treating Brexit as a leisure subject. I'm amazed the Leavers on here are in such a flap about the Mighter Chappers and his revelations. By exposing the haplessness of those charged with implementing it, he's actually doing their cause a great favour.rottenborough said:
He certainly wouldn't be seen dead in a 'DD' t-shirt.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible to hear from the Mighty Chappers that old DD is a lazy bones. This doesn't surprise me though - Dominic Cummings revealed that DD and IDS were more interested in silly gossip about Cherie Blair than in vital matters of national import. Quite frankly, the 'Three Brexiteers' have done nothing but disappoint and are ruining the Brexit brand. Theresa should do something radical. Sack Boris, DD and Fox and get Rees-Mogg to do the job of all three. Whilst he may not be to everyone's taste, you can't dispute that he's a fairly bright chap and is very keen.
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MSmithson cares about nothing except overturning the referendum result. No wonder he gets on so well with JChapman.freetochoose said:
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.0 -
Why are you giving this tit the oxygen of publicity? I've muted him on Twitter but can't do the same here.CarlottaVance said:0 -
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That's rather nice - will be using that in the future.Nigelb said:
That appears to be a common urban myth, not restricted to lion statues..BannedInParis said:
Odd thing - I thought that, I'd read that 'fact' plenty of times. One check - nope. GB won silver on the day, but its been recognised as a full olympic event subsequently.GeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
Now I've heard it all
Would you like to check that before your comment editing time runs out?
There's a statue of a lion in my home town. Everyone knew the guy committed suicide after he built it as the stance was wrong. Everyone. Except,
wikipedia
"Rumours persist that Simonds committed suicide on learning that the lion's gait was incorrectly that of a domestic cat. In fact, he made careful observations on lions and the stance was anatomically correct. He also lived for another 43 years, enjoying continuing success as a sculptor going on to create a statue of Queen Victoria (1887) and a statue of George Palmer (1891). He retired from sculpting in 1903 and worked in the family business eventually becoming its chairman in 1910. In 1922 he temporarily came out of retirement to build the Bradfield war memorial which commemorated the deaths in the First World War of those in the 2nd Battalion, South Wales Borderers which included his son."
amazing.
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I think you mean:Stark_Dawning said:Here's any PB Leaver in response to the latest James Chapman tweet:
http://bit.ly/2aekdwQ
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How are you going to make people follow you? Use people with fatigues and assault rifles to encourage them?TOPPING said:
You have the mechanics of power to ensure that people follow you. Because you are a leader.Charles said:
Only if people follow you. Otherwise you're just a bloke talking to himself.TOPPING said:
Of course you can. You would then be a leader without leadership skills. But you would still be a leader.chrisoxon said:
You've been taking lessons from Chapman! You can take on a leadership role without having leadership skills...TOPPING said:
Huh? POTUS is not a leader? He is the most important leader on the planet.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
As Alexandre Ledru-Rollin said: "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."0 -
LOL! You really don't get how this kind of thing works, do you?ThreeQuidder said:
Why are you giving this tit the oxygen of publicity? I've muted him on Twitter but can't do the same here.CarlottaVance said:0 -
If Theresa May really was a Nazi Chappers would be on his way to the Russian front by now...CarlottaVance said:
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Elon kicks ASS ( acronyms seriously suck) I will always spell out an acronym the first time i use it or explain what it is, unless it is in common usage. USA for instance. You probably don't want to spell out every letter of USDAW but it could be useful to explain it's a trades union or the shop workers union.JosiasJessop said:
IAWEM (*)ydoethur said:
I was wondering what the Education Maintenance Allowance had to do with the EU, then I realised you meant the European Medicines Agency.williamglenn said:
Charles didn't know or care that the EMA is an EU institution. It's fair to say his understanding of the EU is incomplete.SouthamObserver said:
Hence the dozens of free trade agreements it has concluded, of course.Charles said:
Europe is a Customs Union (or Zollverein) not a Free Trade Area.CornishJohn said:
The EU is not the largest free trade agreement in the world. NAFTA is. NAFTA also does not restrict you from joining other free trade agreements as the EU does.Scott_P said:
By pulling out of the largest free trade agreement in the Worldfreetochoose said:free trade Brexiteers want to trade with and embrace the world
Delusional
It puts up protectionist walls around itself, rather than advocating free trade
Fewer alphabet soups would be nice. I feel we have become fat on them.
(*) I agree with Elon Musk:
https://twitter.com/davejohnson/status/6029511174132162560 -
At first it was shocking, then it was worrying, now it's just boring.ThomasNashe said:
LOL! You really don't get how this kind of thing works, do you?ThreeQuidder said:
Why are you giving this tit the oxygen of publicity? I've muted him on Twitter but can't do the same here.CarlottaVance said:0 -
And yet you continue to respond ...ThreeQuidder said:
At first it was shocking, then it was worrying, now it's just boring.ThomasNashe said:
LOL! You really don't get how this kind of thing works, do you?ThreeQuidder said:
Why are you giving this tit the oxygen of publicity? I've muted him on Twitter but can't do the same here.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Just to plead with people who should know better not to clog up the threads.ThomasNashe said:
And yet you continue to respond ...ThreeQuidder said:
At first it was shocking, then it was worrying, now it's just boring.ThomasNashe said:
LOL! You really don't get how this kind of thing works, do you?ThreeQuidder said:
Why are you giving this tit the oxygen of publicity? I've muted him on Twitter but can't do the same here.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Otoh, jargon and acronyms can be important in any specialised field. It might be that the only person confused is Musk himself.FF43 said:
Elon kicks ASS ( acronyms seriously suck) I will always spell out an acronym the first time i use it or explain what it is, unless it is in common usage. USA for instance. You probably don't want to spell out every letter of USDAW but it could be useful to explain it's a trades union or the shop workers union.JosiasJessop said:
IAWEM (*)ydoethur said:
I was wondering what the Education Maintenance Allowance had to do with the EU, then I realised you meant the European Medicines Agency.williamglenn said:
Charles didn't know or care that the EMA is an EU institution. It's fair to say his understanding of the EU is incomplete.SouthamObserver said:
Hence the dozens of free trade agreements it has concluded, of course.Charles said:
Europe is a Customs Union (or Zollverein) not a Free Trade Area.CornishJohn said:
The EU is not the largest free trade agreement in the world. NAFTA is. NAFTA also does not restrict you from joining other free trade agreements as the EU does.Scott_P said:
By pulling out of the largest free trade agreement in the Worldfreetochoose said:free trade Brexiteers want to trade with and embrace the world
Delusional
It puts up protectionist walls around itself, rather than advocating free trade
Fewer alphabet soups would be nice. I feel we have become fat on them.
(*) I agree with Elon Musk:
https://twitter.com/davejohnson/status/6029511174132162560 -
haha! I still miss ***** and ******.isam said:
Think what it could have been if not for bans!TOPPING said:
I think we are all on dangerous territory pronouncing someone sad because of when or where they post on social media (24,173 and counting, eh Sam...)isam said:
Buy a Koresh hoodie, get a retweet?freetochoose said:
I raised my eyebrows when I saw that Mr Chapman and Mr Smithson had been slapping each other on the back this morning.chrisoxon said:
Yes, but if that is what our political system has become then we should all be ashamed. Besides, I thought those fighting to stop brexit were meant to be the "good guys"? I'm not sure Chapman's stance of imprisoning or gagging opponents fits that image too wellrottenborough said:
Don't disagree.chrisoxon said:
Oh and it is going swimmingly isn't it...rottenborough said:
Who won.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the .TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- y thus transforming into muians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
But the idea that someone who doesn't play the playbook, but instead runs a campaign of virtual insurrection using social media and rallies etc etc and doesn't give two f**** what the results of the last election tell you about seat X, can't win has been disproved.
Lying also helps.
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Blimmin heck imagine the inflationary pressures that will arise should they fuck off back home. Or be thrown out. Or not be replaced when they have had their fun living in the UK.CarlottaVance said:One in five unemployed people in the UK are migrants, official figures have revealed for the first time.
The figures show that 317,000 migrants are unemployed, including 98,000 who were born in the EU and 219,000 born outside the EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/one-five-unemployed-people-uk-migrantsofficial-figures-reveal/amp/0 -
Chapman has gained about 3000 followers since last night. I wonder how many he'll have on 9/9.Charles said:
How are you going to make people follow you? Use people with fatigues and assault rifles to encourage them?TOPPING said:
You have the mechanics of power to ensure that people follow you. Because you are a leader.Charles said:
Only if people follow you. Otherwise you're just a bloke talking to himself.TOPPING said:
Of course you can. You would then be a leader without leadership skills. But you would still be a leader.chrisoxon said:
You've been taking lessons from Chapman! You can take on a leadership role without having leadership skills...TOPPING said:
Huh? POTUS is not a leader? He is the most important leader on the planet.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets and journalists who presumably you will want to cover your story
- Making unsubstantiated allegations against a dozen politicians and sounding spiteful while making them
- Giving an interview to GQ and then making directly contradictory statements on twitter
- Deciding to start your own political party thus transforming into muck raking politician rather than white knight whistleblower
- Announcing all of your plans through a series of tweets while on holiday rather than in a co-ordinated fashion surrounded by your campaign team
- Claiming that he has politicians lined up to join him - defections only work if kept secret
- Waiting until AFTER a general election to launch a single issue political party on an issue that will probably be done and dusted by the next general election
- Sending out hundreds of messages insulting everyone who chose to vote leave ie. those he needs to convert in the long run
I could go on and on! This is exactly the type of person that those of us who support Brexit would love to have as an opponent, it could only be better if he could just remove his mask and reveal that it is in fact Tony Blair underneath.
As Alexandre Ledru-Rollin said: "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."0 -
Mr. L, must say I think jargon is one of the reasons people are so politically polarised. SJWs can mean people opposed to bigotry, or censorious puritans who don't tolerate alternative perspectives, for example [depending whether you're pro- or anti-].0
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How many of those are actually following him because they agree with him and want to stop democracy and how many are following him because it's like gawping at a motorway pile up (but nobody has got hurt... YET) ???williamglenn said:
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As to your first example, then yes. POTUS (who @chrisoxon said was not a leader) has much at his disposal to make people follow him including fatigues and assault rifles. Because he is POTUS and the leader of the armed forces/country/free world.Charles said:
How are you going to make people follow you? Use people with fatigues and assault rifles to encourage them?TOPPING said:
You have the mechanics of power to ensure that people follow you. Because you are a leader.Charles said:
Only if people follow you. Otherwise you're just a bloke talking to himself.TOPPING said:
Of course you can. You would then be a leader without leadership skills. But you would still be a leader.chrisoxon said:
You've been taking lessons from Chapman! You can take on a leadership role without having leadership skills...TOPPING said:
Huh? POTUS is not a leader? He is the most important leader on the planet.chrisoxon said:
Oh he wins troll of the year certainly, but that does not a leader make. Exhibit 1 - the current occupant of the oval office.TOPPING said:
"I could go on and on!" - game, set and match to Mr Chapman.chrisoxon said:I could spend all day talking about how James Chapman's entire strategy is utterly flawed, I hope he's just being used as a face man at Bell Pottinger because he's demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on how to manage a campaign;
- Attacking media outlets eath.
As Alexandre Ledru-Rollin said: "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."
Now, you (and Alex) might say, well if I stand up in the middle of Parliament Hill fields and say: "come on lads", and no one follows then I will not be a leader. And indeed you might be right.
And to bring it back to Chappers, he is standing in the middle of Parliament Hill fields, and saying "Come on lads". We shall see who follows him.0 -
Pretty much the definition of "clicktivist", I would say.GIN1138 said:
How many of those are actually following him because they agree with him and want to stop democracy and how many are following him because it's like gawping at a motorway pile up (but nobody had got hurt... YET) ???williamglenn said:
Chapman has gained about 3000 followers since last night. I wonder how many he'll have on 9/9.0 -
There's a similar story about the lions on the Chain Bridge in Budapest. Supposedly the sculptor committed suicide by throwing himself into the Danube when he was laughed at because they had no tongues. A sad story but:BannedInParis said:
Odd thing - I thought that, I'd read that 'fact' plenty of times. One check - nope. GB won silver on the day, but its been recognised as a full olympic event subsequently.GeoffM said:
Are you sure?TheScreamingEagles said:
And France are reigning Olympic cricket champions.GeoffM said:
Pedant mode: Ireland have just got Test statusfreetochoose said:
Well you've just precluded 27 EU states, all the more reason to LeaveDecrepitJohnL said:
Parliamentary democracy, trial by jury. and test cricket.freetochoose said:
The West Indies and India have strong British values?foxinsoxuk said:
That "Anglosphere" is also a curiously pale geography. No dark skinned Anglophone countries included, not even ones with strong British values like the West Indies, or India.SouthamObserver said:
The Anglosphere that Boris, Dan Hannan etc all obssess about is clearly an imperial throwback. Google Canzuk.CornishJohn said:
It isn't. It makes about as much sense as calling the EU a German empire. But the diehard Remainers aren't necessarily sensible about such things. Although it is a handy signifier of whether it's a pro-European worth debating with or not.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, how is free trade imperialist?
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There's a statue of a lion in my home town. Everyone knew the guy committed suicide after he built it as the stance was wrong. Everyone. Except,
wikipedia
"Rumours persist that Simonds committed suicide on learning that the lion's gait was incorrectly that of a domestic cat. In fact, he made careful observations on lions and the stance was anatomically correct. He also lived for another 43 years, enjoying continuing success as a sculptor going on to create a statue of Queen Victoria (1887) and a statue of George Palmer (1891). He retired from sculpting in 1903 and worked in the family business eventually becoming its chairman in 1910. In 1922 he temporarily came out of retirement to build the Bradfield war memorial which commemorated the deaths in the First World War of those in the 2nd Battalion, South Wales Borderers which included his son."
amazing.
1) he didn't commit suicide; and
2) the lions on the bridge have tongues.0 -
I think wage inflation is not much affected by high employment levels in the globalised world, and not just in the UK. The jobs will either disappear to automation or be exported.TOPPING said:
Blimmin heck imagine the inflationary pressures that will arise should they fuck off back home. Or be thrown out. Or not be replaced when they have had their fun living in the UK.CarlottaVance said:One in five unemployed people in the UK are migrants, official figures have revealed for the first time.
The figures show that 317,000 migrants are unemployed, including 98,000 who were born in the EU and 219,000 born outside the EU.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/one-five-unemployed-people-uk-migrantsofficial-figures-reveal/amp/0
