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We don’t often have Royal Family polling but there is a new ICM survey out in Prospect magazine on what should happen following the Queen’s death.
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First. WE have had governments with 35% of the votes.
The question that should have been asked is as follows: do you support the freeloaders ?0 -
Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.0 -
I'll support you Charles.
We already took back control from them over 300 years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.0 -
But they still have power, it only takes one fool to ruin it.kle4 said:I'll support you Charles.
We already took back control from them over 300 years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.
We dodged a bullet with Edward VIII, but we might not be so lucky next time.0 -
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
They have no true power. If they tried to exercise any, or if we got another Edward VIII, we would change monarchs or become a republic in short order. It's a construct we have made to lend pageantry to our political structure, and if it tried to become more, or disrupted that system, there would be only one winner. We all know that people should not hold power purely on the basis of birth, but we accept a monarchy anyway, so long as it does not impose.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they still have power, it only takes one fool to ruin it.kle4 said:I'll support you Charles.
We already took back control from them over 300 years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.
We dodged a bullet with Edward VIII, but we might not be so lucky next time.0 -
It has also amused my friends that I'm one of life's cavaliers, I'm actually a roundhead, sans the puritanical nonsense.0
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Hasn't it always been that way? Queen regents don't have King consorts.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
Indeed, he just seems like he's having a strop. Fact is people do presume if there is a king and queen, and they are not officially co-rulers, that the king would be the senior of the two, so prince cohort it is. Suck it up, Henrik.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen
The half the The Crown I watched before I got bored and stopped seemed mostly Phillip moaning about the same things, in fairness.0 -
The 46% who want William don't seem to understand the basic concept of a hereditary Monarchy...
When HM goes, which hopefully won't be soon, but can't be that long, it will be a seismic shock to the national psyche, making Brexit seem like a minor tremor.
Most people under 70 can remember no other Monarch. You have to be 80+ to recall another as an adult.0 -
But that would take time, just imagine if Edward VIII hadn't abdicated, we would have had seen the government fall and a 1937 general election called.kle4 said:
They have no true power. If they tried to exercise any, or if we got another Edward VIII, we would change monarchs or become a republic in short order. It's a construct we have made to lend pageantry to our political structure, and if it tried to become more, or disrupted that system, there would be only one winner. We all know that people should not hold power purely on the basis of birth, but we accept a monarchy anyway, so long as it does not impose.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they still have power, it only takes one fool to ruin it.kle4 said:I'll support you Charles.
We already took back control from them over 300 years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.
We dodged a bullet with Edward VIII, but we might not be so lucky next time.0 -
I see your Philip and raise you an Albert in 1840.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
That's the old thinking, when things like primogeniture were in vogue.RobD said:
Hasn't it always been that way? Queen regents don't have King consorts.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
No trump thread....0
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Lost in trump going nuclear, it seems like he is going to sack bannan.0
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I do hope George turns out to be gay, so we have the prince and prince of Wales and then a pair of kings.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
Well if it were up to me, I'd have done a thread based on this tweet, headlined 'Another tweet that hasn't aged well from Andrew Lilico'FrancisUrquhart said:No trump thread....
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/8250519828849827890 -
Well, we do have the FTPA now - doesn't that prevent a monarch from calling an election if they wanted now, in effect? So they're ability to be difficult would be reduced.TheScreamingEagles said:
But that would take time, just imagine if Edward VIII hadn't abdicated, we would have had seen the government fall and a 1937 general election called.kle4 said:
They have no true power. If they tried to exercise any, or if we got another Edward VIII, we would change monarchs or become a republic in short order. It's a construct we have made to lend pageantry to our political structure, and if it tried to become more, or disrupted that system, there would be only one winner. We all know that people should not hold power purely on the basis of birth, but we accept a monarchy anyway, so long as it does not impose.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they still have power, it only takes one fool to ruin it.kle4 said:I'll support you Charles.
We already took back control from them over 300 years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.
We dodged a bullet with Edward VIII, but we might not be so lucky next time.
But you're right that it would not be without a great deal of trouble, if it came to that. But I am skeptical of how much - if a monarch played silly buggers with parliament, how long could that really go on? They would not be in a position where forced abdication was desired unless their public popularity was plummeting, and parliament could very quickly declare an end to a king. Sure, no one to sign the bill, but the High Court to try Charles I wasn't legal either, it didn't stop it, and then it became the new legal.0 -
Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.0
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I'm a big fan of Cromwell as a historical figure. A very complex, contradictory figure in many ways. I've always like Clarendon's summation of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
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TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
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Honestly, bunch of parasites, put the royals on the benefit cap.RobD said:
TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
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Trump inserts himself into everything unwanted, it will no doubt be much dominated by him regardless.FrancisUrquhart said:No trump thread....
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Amusingly, my Tory MP has recently released a self published novel set in the English Civil War and featuring a fictional regicide who has Cromwell as his son's godfather. I guess he might have republican tendencies, I shall have to keep a close eye.0
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Philip II of Spain was King of England while he was married to Mary 1554 to 1558.RobD said:
Hasn't it always been that way? Queen regents don't have King consorts.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.0
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I've actually half written a civil war themed thread in my head, which should be published in the first week of September.kle4 said:
I'm a big fan of Cromwell as a historical figure. A very complex, contradictory figure in many ways. I've always like Clarendon's summation of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
Précis is Leaving the EU = The Commonwealth of England
Brexiteers = Cavaliers
Remainers = Roundheads
Boris Johnson = Oliver Cromwell, sans the posthumous execution.0 -
Hey! I like to see myself as a Lefty Cavalier! SeanT with a social conscience if you would...(although less successful with the ladies).TheScreamingEagles said:
I've actually half written a civil war themed thread in my head, which should be published in the first week of September.kle4 said:
I'm a big fan of Cromwell as a historical figure. A very complex, contradictory figure in many ways. I've always like Clarendon's summation of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
Précis is Leaving the EU = The Commonwealth of England
Brexiteers = Cavaliers
Remainers = Roundheads
Boris Johnson = Oliver Cromwell, sans the posthumous execution.
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How can the Commonwealth be Leaving the EU if Remainers are Roundheads, eg the winners who created the Commonwealth?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've actually half written a civil war themed thread in my head, which should be published in the first week of September.kle4 said:
I'm a big fan of Cromwell as a historical figure. A very complex, contradictory figure in many ways. I've always like Clarendon's summation of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
Précis is Leaving the EU = The Commonwealth of England
Brexiteers = Cavaliers
Remainers = Roundheads
Boris Johnson = Oliver Cromwell, sans the posthumous execution.
Or is the idea Johnson would take over and turn post Brexit UK into a position where it is very similar in look and feel to pre-Brexi (in the way the Protector became more regal in style), figuratively by keeping us in the single market and not reducing immigration?
I guess I shall have to wait and see.
Arrivederci
I've actually written a fantasy story with a lead character named Cromwell (as I am terrible with names). If it is ever picked up I guess a name change is in order for the international release.0 -
It's still a work in progress, but something like that, based on Mike's piece the other daykle4 said:
How can the Commonwealth be Leaving the EU if Remainers are Roundheads, eg the winners who created the Commonwealth?TheScreamingEagles said:
I've actually half written a civil war themed thread in my head, which should be published in the first week of September.kle4 said:
I'm a big fan of Cromwell as a historical figure. A very complex, contradictory figure in many ways. I've always like Clarendon's summation of him.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
Précis is Leaving the EU = The Commonwealth of England
Brexiteers = Cavaliers
Remainers = Roundheads
Boris Johnson = Oliver Cromwell, sans the posthumous execution.
Or is the idea Johnson would take over and turn post Brexit UK into a position where it is very similar in look and feel to pre-Brexi (in the way the Protector became more regal in style), figuratively by keeping us in the single market and not reducing immigration?
I guess I shall have to wait and see.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/08/13/theres-a-case-for-saying-that-johnsons-the-best-equipped-to-lead-the-tories-to-brexit-and-beyond/0 -
Impossible to say this without sounding like a dear little old cockney lady in a vox pop but they do work bloody hard, esp as they are both in their 90s, at what must be one of the world's most boring jobs. If I were Charles I would try to negotiate my way out by offering to terminate the monarchy if I got to keep 10% of the assets and a couple of palaces.TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly, bunch of parasites, put the royals on the benefit cap.RobD said:
TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
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The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh do a lot of hard work.Ishmael_Z said:
Impossible to say this without sounding like a dear little old cockney lady in a vox pop but they do work bloody hard, esp as they are both in their 90s, at what must be one of the world's most boring jobs. If I were Charles I would try to negotiate my way out by offering to terminate the monarchy if I got to keep 10% of the assets and a couple of palaces.TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly, bunch of parasites, put the royals on the benefit cap.RobD said:
TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
But I'm thinking of people like Prince Andrew.0 -
'He is not a racist'FrancisUrquhart said:Lost in trump going nuclear, it seems like he is going to sack bannan.
Always a good sign when your employer says that out of the blue!0 -
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A shame there's no question about how many want a republic.0
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Interesting timing by the Commandant of The United States Marine Corp
https://twitter.com/GenRobertNeller/status/8975916480074465290 -
Souce? Please let it be so.FrancisUrquhart said:Lost in trump going nuclear, it seems like he is going to sack bannan.
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Holy feck, that article is breathtaking.619 said:fine people on both sides
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He was asked about it and all he could say was he came on board very late but liked him and by the way he wasn't a racist. It couldn't have been any less convincing response.Philip_Thompson said:
Souce? Please let it be so.FrancisUrquhart said:Lost in trump going nuclear, it seems like he is going to sack bannan.
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He was asked about bannon in the presss conference. Said 'he isnt a racist' and 'lets see' if he stays in the job.Philip_Thompson said:
Souce? Please let it be so.FrancisUrquhart said:Lost in trump going nuclear, it seems like he is going to sack bannan.
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Here's the question for journos to ask every Republican: "Do you agree with the President that some Nazis are good people?"0
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Only to be replaced by David Duke as Trump's Chief Strategist.Philip_Thompson said:
Souce? Please let it be so.FrancisUrquhart said:Lost in trump going nuclear, it seems like he is going to sack bannan.
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The media need to stick to the facts. The cnn contributor has just a race charged way to criticise trump calling it "good old white male outrage". Not helpful.Ishmael_Z said:
No, he didn't say that. Nothing like easily nailed lies to weaken a case.619 said:Here's the question for journos to ask every Republican: "Do you agree with the President that some Nazis are good people?"
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So of there was fatal violence at a britains first march and Theresa May defended the people on the March as not all being racist, you wouldnt think that to be massive lie?Ishmael_Z said:
No, he didn't say that. Nothing like easily nailed lies to weaken a case.619 said:Here's the question for journos to ask every Republican: "Do you agree with the President that some Nazis are good people?"
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Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?0 -
Monarchy is a socialist institution!TheScreamingEagles said:
The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh do a lot of hard work.Ishmael_Z said:
Impossible to say this without sounding like a dear little old cockney lady in a vox pop but they do work bloody hard, esp as they are both in their 90s, at what must be one of the world's most boring jobs. If I were Charles I would try to negotiate my way out by offering to terminate the monarchy if I got to keep 10% of the assets and a couple of palaces.TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly, bunch of parasites, put the royals on the benefit cap.RobD said:
TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
But I'm thinking of people like Prince Andrew.
"What is you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry.
Consider:
* A job for life - a key socialist principle in action!
* Hereditary principle - socialist dynasties such as the Kennedys in the US, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in north Korea!
* Pomp and circumstance - choreographed parades like Trooping the Colour, just like in socialist North Korea!
Therefore, I put it to you that Monarchy is a socialist institution!0 -
Oskar Schindler?619 said:Here's the question for journos to ask every Republican: "Do you agree with the President that some Nazis are good people?"
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The white nationalists doing their Britain first style marcjes dont care about the minutae of historybrendan16 said:
Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?
Certaim confederate leaders are racist icons because they supported and fought for slavery. Tryomg to pretend the marchers arent the same sort of racists who go one britain first and NF marches is disengenous0 -
War! The Republic is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless Sith Lord, Count Dooku. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.RobD said:
TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
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Robert E Lee's position on slavery was rather ambivalent - he sided with his home state in the war and whereas others may have been motivated by that issue he was seemingly not. Washington and Jefferson fully supported slavery and owned slaves.619 said:
The white nationalists doing their Britain first style marcjes dont care about the minutae of historybrendan16 said:
Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?
Certaim confederate leaders are racist icons because they supported and fought for slavery. Tryomg to pretend the marchers arent the same sort of racists who go one britain first and NF marches is disengenous
So if it's about positions taken on slavery if Lees statues come down more logically so should theirs?
Churchill was hardly the most politically correct person - his views on Muslims and India would be considered beyond the pale now and make Trump seem like Polly Toynbee. If we view historical figures in today's context and attitudes should we be thinking about taking down his statues as well?
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That has already been discussed, at length below. A brief perusal of this article might give you an idea of why those comparisons don't stand up:brendan16 said:
Robert E Lee's position on slavery was rather ambivalent - he sided with his home state in the war and whereas others may have been motivated by that issue he was seemingly not. Washington and Jefferson fully supported slavery and owned slaves.619 said:
The white nationalists doing their Britain first style marcjes dont care about the minutae of historybrendan16 said:
Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?
Certaim confederate leaders are racist icons because they supported and fought for slavery. Tryomg to pretend the marchers arent the same sort of racists who go one britain first and NF marches is disengenous
So if it's about positions taken on slavery if Lees statues come down more logically so should theirs?
Churchill was hardly the most politically correct person - his views on Muslims and India would be considered beyond the pale now and make Trump seem like Polly Toynbee. If we view historical figures in today's context and attitudes should we be thinking about taking down his statues as well?
Because in that sense where does this end?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
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Charles does better with Tories and slightly better with Leavers, reflecting the fact the support for his becoming King is highest amongst pensioners who also are most likely to vote Tory and were most likely to vote Leave. As Charles is a pensioner himself he can probably survive as he will be around as long as they are and when he dies or abdicates William can then move the monarchy to appeal more to the middle aged and young who clearly would prefer him to succeed the Queen than his father0
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16% back neither, about the same as normally want a Republic in most pollsPhilip_Thompson said:A shame there's no question about how many want a republic.
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So TSE is anti monarchy and anti Brexit and anti grammar school, is there any more confirmation needed he is not really a Tory? Free market liberal maybe but Tory noTheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
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All this tearing down statues business is bound to eventually lead to mindless vandalism whether the statues are of slavery supporters or not, as far as I am concerned history should be respected and statues left in place even if the person commemorated has a rather dubious backstory. Short of recently toppled dictators whose statues were a symbol of their power in other cases let historians judge the record of those on the plinths. Even Mandela, great man that he was, was involved in terrorism in his youth and his wife of course put burning tyres around opponents necks, rightly nobody is suggesting removing his statue from Parliament Square. Jomo Kenyatta has a big statue in Nairobi and the Mau Mau he led committed pretty brutal murders of white farmers in Kenyabrendan16 said:
Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?
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In an alternate dimension somewhere the English monarch became Holy Roman Emperor.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Philip II of Spain was King of England while he was married to Mary 1554 to 1558.RobD said:
Hasn't it always been that way? Queen regents don't have King consorts.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen
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The Queen should take well deserved retirement. In fact she should have done some time ago. Hand over to Charles who gets a few years until he retires under the new retirements policy then pass to William. It seems cruel not to make Charles king. He's been waiting so long.0
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Sadly it looks as if the US culture wars are not going to end anytime soon. It will probably get a lot worse before it gets better too, there's going to be a lot more clashes between the extreme elements of right and left before sufficient numbers of people in the middle say that enough is enough.HYUFD said:
All this tearing down statues business is bound to eventually lead to mindless vandalism whether the statues are of slavery supporters or not, as far as I am concerned history should be respected and statues left in place even if the person commemorated has a rather dubious backstory. Short of recently toppled dictators whose statues were a symbol of their power in other cases let historians judge the record of those on the plinths. Even Mandela, great man that he was, was involved in terrorism in his youth and his wife of course put burning tyres around opponents necks, rightly nobody is suggesting removing his statue from Parliament Square. Jomo Kenyatta has a big statue in Nairobi and the Mau Mau he led committed pretty brutal murders of white farmers in Kenyabrendan16 said:
Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?0 -
In an alternate dimension not too far removed from this one I am the current head of what instead became the Hapsburg Empire.RobD said:
In an alternate dimension somewhere the English monarch became Holy Roman Emperor.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Philip II of Spain was King of England while he was married to Mary 1554 to 1558.RobD said:
Hasn't it always been that way? Queen regents don't have King consorts.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if Prince Philip didn't become King when Her Majesty became Queen, there's a precedent there.kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
On topic,
When was the polling conducted? In the immediate aftermath of the latest Diana Grief Fest documentary?
Off topic - the Sun seems happy enough:
FOR all the bluster from EU fanatics — who would rather everyone was worse off than see the UK get a good deal — there are enough sensible figures in and around Brussels to ensure that Brexit talks are conducted seriously and properly.
Which is why David Davis is clearly adopting the right approach.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4252754/there-are-enough-sensible-figures-in-brussels-to-ensure-that-brexit-talks-are-conducted-properly/0 -
It was common during and after the war to distinguish between good Germans (such as Rommel) and Nazis.619 said:Here's the question for journos to ask every Republican: "Do you agree with the President that some Nazis are good people?"
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Surely the distinguishing feature of a monarchy is there is no vote on who becomes king.0
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Why does the i newspaper have the flag upside down?
https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/z6LMvtCQdu3D1P1kODoM_i.JPG
(and why does Sky News's CDN have such horrible URLs?)0 -
Michael Gove seems to have endangered arts teaching in state schools. Since Gove sought to promote the liberal arts, this might be filed under unintended consequences. The problem seems to be caused by budget cuts allied to the decoupling of AS from A-levels which has led to reduced uptake of arts and languages.
Otoh, as French and German are under threat, perhaps a harbinger of his views on Brexit.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/level-reforms-budget-cuts-killed-off-arts-state-schools/0 -
Because newspapers don't have sub editors any more!DecrepitJohnL said:Why does the i newspaper have the flag upside down?
https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/z6LMvtCQdu3D1P1kODoM_i.JPG
(and why does Sky News's CDN have such horrible URLs?)
Because it's way cheaper to use a CDN than host a modern news site full of video that needs to scale and not fall over when a big news day comes up. Humans never see the URLs any more so they have random short addresses that take up a lot less space in the database.0 -
A stupid and pointless attempt at an analogy.619 said:
So of there was fatal violence at a britains first march and Theresa May defended the people on the March as not all being racist, you wouldnt think that to be massive lie?Ishmael_Z said:
No, he didn't say that. Nothing like easily nailed lies to weaken a case.619 said:Here's the question for journos to ask every Republican: "Do you agree with the President that some Nazis are good people?"
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Someone has definitely lost his marbles...CarlottaVance said:ttps://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897671101609889792
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She'd be breaking the vow she made to the country all those years ago. I don't think she would want to do that.FF43 said:The Queen should take well deserved retirement. In fact she should have done some time ago. Hand over to Charles who gets a few years until he retires under the new retirements policy then pass to William. It seems cruel not to make Charles king. He's been waiting so long.
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So we can add "United Ireland" and "return of Elgin Marbles" to "sackings at BBC" and "end to lobby system" to The Democrats burgeoning manifesto - of course in addition to "No Brexit"....I'm sure I've missed some....0
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I still chuckle when I see the name. The democrats, founded to overturn the democratic will of the electorate.CarlottaVance said:Focussing on Chapman's predictions, rather than personal observations:
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/8976768986791075850 -
No mention of owls yet.CarlottaVance said:So we can add "United Ireland" and "return of Elgin Marbles" to "sackings at BBC" and "end to lobby system" to The Democrats burgeoning manifesto - of course in addition to "No Brexit"....I'm sure I've missed some....
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I suspect in her view it's not in her hands, but a higher authority's.RobD said:
She'd be breaking the vow she made to the country all those years ago. I don't think she would want to do that.FF43 said:The Queen should take well deserved retirement. In fact she should have done some time ago. Hand over to Charles who gets a few years until he retires under the new retirements policy then pass to William. It seems cruel not to make Charles king. He's been waiting so long.
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Overturn something that 17 million people voted for, and give away 5,500 square miles of British territory where 1.8m British citizens live. Interesting proposals.RobD said:
I still chuckle when I see the name. The democrats, founded to overturn the democratic will of the electorate.CarlottaVance said:Focussing on Chapman's predictions, rather than personal observations:
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/8976768986791075850 -
OGH tweets:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/897680976557617153
Not sure that many are taking Mr Chapman too seriously.....0 -
Flattered though I am by the high level of public support, I should point out there is no vacancy right now.0
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The marriage was legally morganatic: Camilla (who is a wonderful woman by the way - reminds me of my mother) is, and will remain, the Duchess of Cornwall not become Queen. Charles wants her to be crowned, but I suspect that is unlikely. (And she is fine with that, doesn't really like all the malarkey, but tolerates it so that she can be with the man she loves. It's all really rather sweet actually).kle4 said:
Now that is another royalist headache to come, apparently. Legally I think they've established that the wife of a king is a queen, end of, but there has been great reluctance given perceived attitudes to Charles and Camilla, and the plan was for her to be given some other title, but Charles is adamant he wants her as Queen.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow....Ishmael_Z said:
In my case, it is the (unchallenged as far as I know) claim that he married Diana with the intention of carrying on business as usual with Camilla throughout the engagement and afterwards. Most of us have behaved appallingly in the sphere of sexual relations at some stage in our lives, but that is taking chumpishness to an entirely new level.The_Apocalypse said:Why is Charles so unpopular out of interest? I feel kind of 'meh' about him becoming King.
That's awful, if true. Poor Diana.
I wonder if Camilla will become Queen when Charles becomes King? Camilla is a divorcee, so I would think that would put a spanner in the works in regards to that....
And in terms of marital happiness at the least that's the best option, given we've seen how people can moan about these things recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/royal-snub-as-prince-of-denmark-refuses-to-be-buried-with-his-queen0 -
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Monarchs don't sign Acts into law anymore. I think it is an automatic part of the process - she can't withhold approval.kle4 said:
Well, we do have the FTPA now - doesn't that prevent a monarch from calling an election if they wanted now, in effect? So they're ability to be difficult would be reduced.TheScreamingEagles said:
But that would take time, just imagine if Edward VIII hadn't abdicated, we would have had seen the government fall and a 1937 general election called.kle4 said:
They have no true power. If they tried to exercise any, or if we got another Edward VIII, we would change monarchs or become a republic in short order. It's a construct we have made to lend pageantry to our political structure, and if it tried to become more, or disrupted that system, there would be only one winner. We all know that people should not hold power purely on the basis of birth, but we accept a monarchy anyway, so long as it does not impose.TheScreamingEagles said:
But they still have power, it only takes one fool to ruin it.kle4 said:I'll support you Charles.
We already took back control from them over 300 years ago.TheScreamingEagles said:Abolish the monarchy.
Take back control from our unelected masters.
We dodged a bullet with Edward VIII, but we might not be so lucky next time.
But you're right that it would not be without a great deal of trouble, if it came to that. But I am skeptical of how much - if a monarch played silly buggers with parliament, how long could that really go on? They would not be in a position where forced abdication was desired unless their public popularity was plummeting, and parliament could very quickly declare an end to a king. Sure, no one to sign the bill, but the High Court to try Charles I wasn't legal either, it didn't stop it, and then it became the new legal.0 -
If you gave them back the Crown Estate they'd probably go for that.TheScreamingEagles said:
Honestly, bunch of parasites, put the royals on the benefit cap.RobD said:
TSE loves the republic, and democracy.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I've changed my profile picture, if it wasn't clear where my views lie when it comes to the monarchy.
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Air Berlin bailed out by German taxpayers to the tune of €150m, to avoid a collapse as they file for bankruptcy.
Etihad put in $250m less than six months ago which has all gone, that €150m is not going to be coming back.
Do EU State Aid rules not apply when there's an election due?
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He will be waiting a long time indeed for that one.CarlottaVance said:I suspect you'll be waiting a while:
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897684192615641088
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Worth pointing out, however, that that article has flaws in it. Can't speak about the decline in takeup as I haven't seen it personally, although it seems probable that where AS levels disappear numbers will drop in all subjects. But it does say the subjects have been overhauled 'with the help of universities.' Which is bollocks. What OFQUAL did was take academic advice, then ignored it and did what they wanted to anyway.DecrepitJohnL said:Michael Gove seems to have endangered arts teaching in state schools. Since Gove sought to promote the liberal arts, this might be filed under unintended consequences. The problem seems to be caused by budget cuts allied to the decoupling of AS from A-levels which has led to reduced uptake of arts and languages.
Otoh, as French and German are under threat, perhaps a harbinger of his views on Brexit.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/level-reforms-budget-cuts-killed-off-arts-state-schools/
That's how history has ended up with more blind source questions at A-level - which are the second most pointless thing in the known universe, just behind BoJo's chastity belt - when the universities wanted them ditched altogether.0 -
You can't just cherry-pick the best bits, Herr Cameron, it comes as a whole package - except when it doesn't.Sandpit said:Air Berlin bailed out by German taxpayers to the tune of €150m, to avoid a collapse as they file for bankruptcy.
Etihad put in $250m less than six months ago which has all gone, that €150m is not going to be coming back.
Do EU State Aid rules not apply when there's an election due?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-airberlin-lufthansa-ministry-idUKKCN1AV15I0 -
Charles will be a disaster.
The Commonwealth realms will drop like ninepins, and such is his personality he could even cause a constitutional crisis here.0 -
Isn't that the naval distress signal?DecrepitJohnL said:Why does the i newspaper have the flag upside down?
https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/z6LMvtCQdu3D1P1kODoM_i.JPG
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2% deficit. Set in stone. Unless you're France....or Germany.....ydoethur said:
You can't just cherry-pick the best bits, Herr Cameron, it comes as a whole package - except when it doesn't.Sandpit said:Air Berlin bailed out by German taxpayers to the tune of €150m, to avoid a collapse as they file for bankruptcy.
Etihad put in $250m less than six months ago which has all gone, that €150m is not going to be coming back.
Do EU State Aid rules not apply when there's an election due?
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-airberlin-lufthansa-ministry-idUKKCN1AV15I
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Parliament paid £350,000 for the marbles on behalf of the nation.Sandpit said:
Someone has definitely lost his marbles...CarlottaVance said:ttps://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/897671101609889792
Unless it can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt they were stolen then they are legally British (the dispute is whether the Turks had the right to sell the marbles by right of conquest - Elgin bought them from the Sultan).
So it's not so much "return" as a gift or sale by the British
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Remembering the promise of free metatxa last night?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a ‘blind source question’?ydoethur said:
Worth pointing out, however, that that article has flaws in it. Can't speak about the decline in takeup as I haven't seen it personally, although it seems probable that where AS levels disappear numbers will drop in all subjects. But it does say the subjects have been overhauled 'with the help of universities.' Which is bollocks. What OFQUAL did was take academic advice, then ignored it and did what they wanted to anyway.DecrepitJohnL said:Michael Gove seems to have endangered arts teaching in state schools. Since Gove sought to promote the liberal arts, this might be filed under unintended consequences. The problem seems to be caused by budget cuts allied to the decoupling of AS from A-levels which has led to reduced uptake of arts and languages.
Otoh, as French and German are under threat, perhaps a harbinger of his views on Brexit.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/level-reforms-budget-cuts-killed-off-arts-state-schools/
That's how history has ended up with more blind source questions at A-level - which are the second most pointless thing in the known universe, just behind BoJo's chastity belt - when the universities wanted them ditched altogether.0 -
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Where you have a source you haven't seen before and have to answer questions on it as part of an exam.OldKingCole said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a ‘blind source question’?ydoethur said:
Worth pointing out, however, that that article has flaws in it. Can't speak about the decline in takeup as I haven't seen it personally, although it seems probable that where AS levels disappear numbers will drop in all subjects. But it does say the subjects have been overhauled 'with the help of universities.' Which is bollocks. What OFQUAL did was take academic advice, then ignored it and did what they wanted to anyway.DecrepitJohnL said:Michael Gove seems to have endangered arts teaching in state schools. Since Gove sought to promote the liberal arts, this might be filed under unintended consequences. The problem seems to be caused by budget cuts allied to the decoupling of AS from A-levels which has led to reduced uptake of arts and languages.
Otoh, as French and German are under threat, perhaps a harbinger of his views on Brexit.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/education/level-reforms-budget-cuts-killed-off-arts-state-schools/
That's how history has ended up with more blind source questions at A-level - which are the second most pointless thing in the known universe, just behind BoJo's chastity belt - when the universities wanted them ditched altogether.0 -
Probably but Elizabeth is not doing a favour to her son by hanging on.RobD said:
She'd be breaking the vow she made to the country all those years ago. I don't think she would want to do that.FF43 said:The Queen should take well deserved retirement. In fact she should have done some time ago. Hand over to Charles who gets a few years until he retires under the new retirements policy then pass to William. It seems cruel not to make Charles king. He's been waiting so long.
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Statues to Washington from aren't put up to celebrate their subdigation of black people.brendan16 said:
Almost all of the Confederate leaders of course were Democrats - it was the party of slavery and of the continued oppression of black people in the south post the civil war until the 60s. So maybe Fox should be less concerned and CNN should be more unhappy?FrancisUrquhart said:Is funny to switch over from cnn to fox news...It is like there were two different trump press conferences. Fox talking about confederate symbols and digging up dead confederate soldiers.
The question of course is where does this end - almost all the founding fathers were slave owners and what might now be termed white supremacists. Are the statues of Thomas Jefferson - who wrote the Declaration of independence - and George Washington to be removed as well?
Apparently the Lincoln Memorial was defaced today too along with a statue of a Union soldier in Maryland. Do some protestors even know what they are protesting against or for?
Confederate memorials are.
The majority of Confederate statues were erected at the height of Jim Crow lynching era in the early 1900s and the 1960s civil rights de-segregation era. There was a mass surge of schools being named after Confederates that's timed exactly with American schools desegregating.
The statues are provocative statements aimed at African Americans to know their place.0
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