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First! Like LEAVE.....0
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Second, like North Korea0
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The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....0
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FPT - worth reading David Davis letter on the state of play:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/eu-select/Correspondence-2017-19/09-08-17-Letter-from-David-Davis-MP.pdf0 -
Fifth like Boris!0
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I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.0 -
If it goes to the membership, I'd think about adding Boris and JRM together but it won't and even if it did, they'd both be knocked out by then anyway. Rudd vs Hammond, imo, unless Davis has sharpened up his act after his complacent loss to Cameron.0
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Con won't be able to get away with a second leadership contest that doesn't go to the membership...DecrepitJohnL said:If it goes to the membership, I'd think about adding Boris and JRM together but it won't and even if it did, they'd both be knocked out by then anyway. Rudd vs Hammond, imo, unless Davis has sharpened up his act after his complacent loss to Cameron.
And they'll be at least one Brexiteer in the final two, IMO.0 -
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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The only way a Remainer wins is if the members don't get a say. Like you, I expect a Leaver in the last two.GIN1138 said:
Con won't be able to get away with a second leadership contest that doesn't go to the membership...DecrepitJohnL said:If it goes to the membership, I'd think about adding Boris and JRM together but it won't and even if it did, they'd both be knocked out by then anyway. Rudd vs Hammond, imo, unless Davis has sharpened up his act after his complacent loss to Cameron.
And they'll be at least one Brexiteer in the final two, IMO.
The Conservatives, however, will continue to decline until such point as they find a candidate who can make irrelevant their referendum vote.0 -
Their referendum vote is already irrelevant.AlastairMeeks said:
The only way a Remainer wins is if the members don't get a say. Like you, I expect a Leaver in the last two.GIN1138 said:
Con won't be able to get away with a second leadership contest that doesn't go to the membership...DecrepitJohnL said:If it goes to the membership, I'd think about adding Boris and JRM together but it won't and even if it did, they'd both be knocked out by then anyway. Rudd vs Hammond, imo, unless Davis has sharpened up his act after his complacent loss to Cameron.
And they'll be at least one Brexiteer in the final two, IMO.
The Conservatives, however, will continue to decline until such point as they find a candidate who can make irrelevant their referendum vote.0 -
Me too. Green is eminently acceptable to almost all groups in the party.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
Rudd is more of a Morgan than a Thatcher, and Hammond more of a Clarke than an Osborne. In short, they don't have the desire or the popularity within the PLP or the party at large.
I'm still yet to be convinced that Davis wants it. Bojo would be foolish to stand again and fail, esepfizlaly as he is just young enough to try again.0 -
He was very uncomfortable on the Marr show during the GE campaign , gulping for air when asked if the announcement would change on the so called dementia tax yes or no He answered no the following day it changed He is a follow the leader not inspirational.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.0
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JRM is the only Leaver backbencher with a high enough profile to take on the cabinet. DD would not want to switch from his Captain Underpants success at DEXEU.TOPPING said:I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.0 -
JRM's tweet this morning was disappointing. It is not undemocratic to try, via democratic means, to change one policy or another, in this case Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
JRM is the only Leaver backbencher with a high enough profile to take on the cabinet. DD would not want to switch from his Captain Underpants success at DEXEU.TOPPING said:I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.0 -
He's a damn sight better than the incumbent and it was hugely difficult answering questions at that stage about the dementia tax before TMay had decided to U-turn. I thought Green handled that well.Yorkcity said:
He was very uncomfortable on the Marr show during the GE campaign , gulping for air when asked if the announcement would change on the so called dementia tax yes or no He answered no the following day it changed He is a follow the leader not inspirational.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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It is, however, bloody stupid to brand yourself as democrats when everyone else not called 'Democrats' is heeding the result.TOPPING said:
JRM's tweet this morning was disappointing. It is not undemocratic to try, via democratic means, to change one policy or another, in this case Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
JRM is the only Leaver backbencher with a high enough profile to take on the cabinet. DD would not want to switch from his Captain Underpants success at DEXEU.TOPPING said:I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.0 -
Well, Mike, I've worked with all of them, in and out of parliament, and I'm not sure the party would vote for another 'safe pair of hands'; TM showed the limitations of that path.
What the members want is someone to stir the sinews (Boris without the bollocks), with experience and a back story (Davis without the age and past failures), with reliability (Green without the history of mediocrity) or a woman (Rudd without the charisma bypass, Ruth without the Holyrood commitments).
JRM is a non-runner, clever and entertaining as he is. His appeal remains far too niche to win an election.
In other words, there isn't a candidate on that list that the members would give a majority to, so we are stuck with TM for the foreseeable.
She should take a leaf out of Michael Howard's book and promote some of the fresh faces, so one or two will be ready for 2019; but, of course, she lacks the power to hire and fire at will.
Deadlock? We'll see. Nature abhors a vacuum, so Conference will be a crucible for new faces to shine and old faces to counter their all-too-well-known weaknesses.
Raab, Cleverly, McVey?
See you in Manchester.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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I would agree with all that apart from he handled it well, it is obvious he did not as his answer was fundamentally wrong.MikeSmithson said:
He's a damn sight better than the incumbent and it was hugely difficult answering questions at that stage about the dementia tax before TMay had decided to U-turn. I thought Green handled that well.Yorkcity said:
He was very uncomfortable on the Marr show during the GE campaign , gulping for air when asked if the announcement would change on the so called dementia tax yes or no He answered no the following day it changed He is a follow the leader not inspirational.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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Yes that is true. Call it a work in progress although it is zingy-ish and easy to remember. Who after all holds the Tories to their Jacobean ideals?Mortimer said:
It is, however, bloody stupid to brand yourself as democrats when everyone else not called 'Democrats' is heeding the result.TOPPING said:
JRM's tweet this morning was disappointing. It is not undemocratic to try, via democratic means, to change one policy or another, in this case Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
JRM is the only Leaver backbencher with a high enough profile to take on the cabinet. DD would not want to switch from his Captain Underpants success at DEXEU.TOPPING said:I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.0 -
Go Rory!!!!!Baskerville said:Well, Mike, I've worked with all of them, in and out of parliament, and I'm not sure the party would vote for another 'safe pair of hands'; TM showed the limitations of that path.
What the members want is someone to stir the sinews (Boris without the bollocks), with experience and a back story (Davis without the age and past failures), with reliability (Green without the history of mediocrity) or a woman (Rudd without the charisma bypass, Ruth without the Holyrood commitments).
JRM is a non-runner, clever and entertaining as he is. His appeal remains far too niche to win an election.
In other words, there isn't a candidate on that list that the members would give a majority to, so we are stuck with TM for the foreseeable.
She should take a leaf out of Michael Howard's book and promote some of the fresh faces, so one or two will be ready for 2019; but, of course, she lacks the power to hire and fire at will.
Deadlock? We'll see. Nature abhors a vacuum, so Conference will be a crucible for new faces to shine and old faces to counter their all-too-well-known weaknesses.
Raab, Cleverly, McVey?
See you in Manchester.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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He was a sincere and driven Leave campaigner who risked his career for what he believes in. He has experience leading three different government departments. He had a humble beginning, being adopted at the age of four months. I didn't say a name, but he popped into your head, didn't he?Baskerville said:Well, Mike, I've worked with all of them, in and out of parliament, and I'm not sure the party would vote for another 'safe pair of hands'; TM showed the limitations of that path.
What the members want is someone to stir the sinews (Boris without the bollocks), with experience and a back story (Davis without the age and past failures), with reliability (Green without the history of mediocrity) or a woman (Rudd without the charisma bypass, Ruth without the Holyrood commitments).
JRM is a non-runner, clever and entertaining as he is. His appeal remains far too niche to win an election.
In other words, there isn't a candidate on that list that the members would give a majority to, so we are stuck with TM for the foreseeable.
She should take a leaf out of Michael Howard's book and promote some of the fresh faces, so one or two will be ready for 2019; but, of course, she lacks the power to hire and fire at will.
Deadlock? We'll see. Nature abhors a vacuum, so Conference will be a crucible for new faces to shine and old faces to counter their all-too-well-known weaknesses.
Raab, Cleverly, McVey?
See you in Manchester.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.0 -
There are few who inspire as much as your unnamed one. Sadly, that inspiration is as much negative as positive.Essexit said:
He was a sincere and driven Leave campaigner who risked his career for what he believes in. He has experience leading three different government departments. He had a humble beginning, being adopted at the age of four months. I didn't say a name, but he popped into your head, didn't he?Baskerville said:Well, Mike, I've worked with all of them, in and out of parliament, and I'm not sure the party would vote for another 'safe pair of hands'; TM showed the limitations of that path.
What the members want is someone to stir the sinews (Boris without the bollocks), with experience and a back story (Davis without the age and past failures), with reliability (Green without the history of mediocrity) or a woman (Rudd without the charisma bypass, Ruth without the Holyrood commitments).
JRM is a non-runner, clever and entertaining as he is. His appeal remains far too niche to win an election.
In other words, there isn't a candidate on that list that the members would give a majority to, so we are stuck with TM for the foreseeable.
She should take a leaf out of Michael Howard's book and promote some of the fresh faces, so one or two will be ready for 2019; but, of course, she lacks the power to hire and fire at will.
Deadlock? We'll see. Nature abhors a vacuum, so Conference will be a crucible for new faces to shine and old faces to counter their all-too-well-known weaknesses.
Raab, Cleverly, McVey?
See you in Manchester.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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TOPPING said:
Yes that is true. Call it a work in progress although it is zingy-ish and easy to remember. Who after all holds the Tories to their Jacobean ideals?Mortimer said:
It is, however, bloody stupid to brand yourself as democrats when everyone else not called 'Democrats' is heeding the result.TOPPING said:
JRM's tweet this morning was disappointing. It is not undemocratic to try, via democratic means, to change one policy or another, in this case Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
JRM is the only Leaver backbencher with a high enough profile to take on the cabinet. DD would not want to switch from his Captain Underpants success at DEXEU.TOPPING said:I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.
JackW of this parish, presumably?0 -
KK does spring to mind.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.0 -
I would be doubly happy if he were the next Conservative leader. First, because I have a very nice betting position on him. Secondly, because the Conservative party would undergo a Rhapsody in Blue glissando in the polls.Essexit said:
He was a sincere and driven Leave campaigner who risked his career for what he believes in. He has experience leading three different government departments. He had a humble beginning, being adopted at the age of four months. I didn't say a name, but he popped into your head, didn't he?Baskerville said:Well, Mike, I've worked with all of them, in and out of parliament, and I'm not sure the party would vote for another 'safe pair of hands'; TM showed the limitations of that path.
What the members want is someone to stir the sinews (Boris without the bollocks), with experience and a back story (Davis without the age and past failures), with reliability (Green without the history of mediocrity) or a woman (Rudd without the charisma bypass, Ruth without the Holyrood commitments).
JRM is a non-runner, clever and entertaining as he is. His appeal remains far too niche to win an election.
In other words, there isn't a candidate on that list that the members would give a majority to, so we are stuck with TM for the foreseeable.
She should take a leaf out of Michael Howard's book and promote some of the fresh faces, so one or two will be ready for 2019; but, of course, she lacks the power to hire and fire at will.
Deadlock? We'll see. Nature abhors a vacuum, so Conference will be a crucible for new faces to shine and old faces to counter their all-too-well-known weaknesses.
Raab, Cleverly, McVey?
See you in Manchester.MikeSmithson said:
Totally agree with that. Green''s capable and articulate and in his current position of First Minister is getting a lot more publicity. He and I were colleagues at BBC News in the late 1970s. He's very calming and takes everything in its stride.CarlottaVance said:The 'dark horse' in that line up is 'safe pair of hands' Green - Davis already has a big job and Hammond generally opens his mouth to change feet.....
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England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?0 -
Baskerville, Alastair - I'd put it to you that a lot of the dislike for Gove comes from people who wouldn't vote Conservative anyway (e.g. teachers). That said I think he's annoyed enough people within the PCP that he wouldn't even make it to a members' vote, much to my regret.0
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If one wants to reverse Brexit, surely one should just join the Lib Dems. What would be the point of a rival anti-Brexit party?Mortimer said:
It is, however, bloody stupid to brand yourself as democrats when everyone else not called 'Democrats' is heeding the result.TOPPING said:
JRM's tweet this morning was disappointing. It is not undemocratic to try, via democratic means, to change one policy or another, in this case Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
JRM is the only Leaver backbencher with a high enough profile to take on the cabinet. DD would not want to switch from his Captain Underpants success at DEXEU.TOPPING said:I think it will be a known unknown.
Current cabinet all tainted, sadly, by the bolleaux that has been the past three months. Very difficult to hold their heads up and say either "I agreed with that" or "I disagreed with that".
Will be a back-bencher. Not DD, who has shown himself better than expected (he did after all single-handedly create his current role for himself) but is nevertheless yesterday's man.0 -
His rapprochement with George Osborne is intriguing in that regard. One wonders what Mr O might want in return for the assistance that he can offer.Essexit said:Baskerville, Alastair - I'd put it to you that a lot of the dislike for Gove comes from people who wouldn't vote Conservative anyway (e.g. teachers). That said I think he's annoyed enough people within the PCP that he wouldn't even make it to a members' vote, much to my regret.
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Both want the restoration of Cameron's one nation Toryism, the only kind of Toryism that won the Tories a majority in the last 25 years.AlastairMeeks said:
His rapprochement with George Osborne is intriguing in that regard. One wonders what Mr O might want in return for the assistance that he can offer.Essexit said:Baskerville, Alastair - I'd put it to you that a lot of the dislike for Gove comes from people who wouldn't vote Conservative anyway (e.g. teachers). That said I think he's annoyed enough people within the PCP that he wouldn't even make it to a members' vote, much to my regret.
Remember if Gove had won the Tory leadership contest, he would have kept Osborne on as Chancellor.
Osborne won't be the Mandelson to Gove's Brown though.0 -
JohnO rates Damian Green, which is good enough for me, however I'm not keen on him where he was gratuitously rude about David Cameron in a recent interview.0
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A lot of teachers do (or did) vote Conservative.Essexit said:Baskerville, Alastair - I'd put it to you that a lot of the dislike for Gove comes from people who wouldn't vote Conservative anyway (e.g. teachers). That said I think he's annoyed enough people within the PCP that he wouldn't even make it to a members' vote, much to my regret.
University workers are overwhelmingly left wing, but school teachers are not.0 -
The Tory conference is going to be like The X Factor but with Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Andrea Leadsom, et al0
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On this market, much depends on whether you think Theresa May will see it through to the next general election. If like me you think she'll go beforehand, there is often better value to be found on the "next Prime Minister" market. For example, you can back Damian Green for a couple of quid at 38 on that market as I write.
Mind, oddly, at various times some of the leading Conservatives have been shorter for next Prime Minister than for next leader of the Conservative party.0 -
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?0 -
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
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Haseeb Hameed. 3 tests, averaging 43.8, cant get a look in, madnessPeter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/632172.html0 -
Something to do with his technique, apparently.isam said:
Haseeb Hameed. 3 tests, averaging 43.8, cant get a look in, madnessPeter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/632172.html
No, I don't get it either.0 -
No KP influence whilst Strauss is in charge.Peter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
Rashid's issue is that he doesn't offer control by bowling far too many four balls.0 -
There's also the balance between personality and policies to get right. TM appeared to have the personality voters liked, but then launched random, untested policies that undermined her whole strong and stable image. Candidates were promised a light touch manifesto and were given Timothy's Phd thesis.
The next leader needs to have personality, but also needs a programme to sell.
Agreed, he/she needs to highlight Corbyn's weaknesses on economy/defence/everything, but the key is positive policies for those who think the 'establishment' and the status quo couldn't give a rat's arse about their concerns.
Want the 30-49 vote? Pick a 30-49 leader who knows about finding a mortgage deposit, has kids in school, hasn't been wearing Oxford Union undies since leaving their private nursery and possesses both a sense of humour and self-awareness.
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Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?0 -
But who is in charge? There seem to be so many that it is hard to pin down who is making all the duff calls we've seen this summer. They given themselves an extra problem too now in that if the newcomers excel against a fairly weak side like the Windies, they will pretty much have to go on tour and face a definitely not very weak side.TheScreamingEagles said:
No KP influence whilst Strauss is in charge.Peter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
Rashid's issue is that he doesn't offer control by bowling far too many four balls.
Does is matter if they have a spinner who isn't economical? They have plenty of bowlers who can keep it tight.0 -
The comms don't stop banging on about the need to break up the left handers at the top of the order, and we have a rhb sitting at home watching Keaton Jennings play and miss! Jennings only got in the team because HH was injured, and who cares about county form, it is worthless. How bizarre.Peter_the_Punter said:
Something to do with his technique, apparently.isam said:
Haseeb Hameed. 3 tests, averaging 43.8, cant get a look in, madnessPeter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/632172.html
No, I don't get it either.
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More GOT? Baratheon, Stark, Lannister, Greyjoy?TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory conference is going to be like The X Factor but with Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Andrea Leadsom, et al
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Good County form does matter, unless you already have solid Test form in the book. Jennings had neither.isam said:
The comms don't stop banging on about the need to break up the left handers at the top of the order, and we have a rhb sitting at home watching Keaton Jennings play and miss! Jennings only got in the team because HH was injured, and who cares about county form, it is worthless. How bizarre.Peter_the_Punter said:
Something to do with his technique, apparently.isam said:
Haseeb Hameed. 3 tests, averaging 43.8, cant get a look in, madnessPeter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/632172.html
No, I don't get it either.0 -
Yeah as you say, if you don't have test form. It is inconceivable HH would have been dropped after the Indian tour had he not got injuredPeter_the_Punter said:
Good County form does matter, unless you already have solid Test form in the book. Jennings had neither.isam said:
The comms don't stop banging on about the need to break up the left handers at the top of the order, and we have a rhb sitting at home watching Keaton Jennings play and miss! Jennings only got in the team because HH was injured, and who cares about county form, it is worthless. How bizarre.Peter_the_Punter said:
Something to do with his technique, apparently.isam said:
Haseeb Hameed. 3 tests, averaging 43.8, cant get a look in, madnessPeter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/632172.html
No, I don't get it either.0 -
Angus Fraser and Mick Newell are selectors but they are Director of Cricket at Middlesex and Nottinghamshire, that's a huge conflict of interests in my books.Peter_the_Punter said:
But who is in charge? There seem to be so many that it is hard to pin down who is making all the duff calls we've seen this summer. They given themselves an extra problem too now in that if the newcomers excel against a fairly weak side like the Windies, they will pretty much have to go on tour and face a definitely not very weak side.TheScreamingEagles said:
No KP influence whilst Strauss is in charge.Peter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
Rashid's issue is that he doesn't offer control by bowling far too many four balls.
Does is matter if they have a spinner who isn't economical? They have plenty of bowlers who can keep it tight.
According to Atherton, Strauss sets the parameters/targets but Bayliss and the selectors do the selecting, but Root has a lot of influence, which explains why Ballance got back in the team.
I can understand the control argument, what would/did happen, is batsmen would be cautious against Anderson, Broad, Woakes, and Stokes, then unleash against Rashid.
Personally I'd have Rashid in the team, his strike rate is comparable to Ali's.0 -
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.0 -
Try Ireland.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.0 -
With Theresa May, there was a very odd mix of right wing and left wing policies, which sometimes conflicted with each other.Baskerville said:There's also the balance between personality and policies to get right. TM appeared to have the personality voters liked, but then launched random, untested policies that undermined her whole strong and stable image. Candidates were promised a light touch manifesto and were given Timothy's Phd thesis.
The next leader needs to have personality, but also needs a programme to sell.
Agreed, he/she needs to highlight Corbyn's weaknesses on economy/defence/everything, but the key is positive policies for those who think the 'establishment' and the status quo couldn't give a rat's arse about their concerns.
Want the 30-49 vote? Pick a 30-49 leader who knows about finding a mortgage deposit, has kids in school, hasn't been wearing Oxford Union undies since leaving their private nursery and possesses both a sense of humour and self-awareness.
Should be easy.0 -
Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test0 -
Already been there (from June 2016)welshowl said:
More GOT? Baratheon, Stark, Lannister, Greyjoy?TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory conference is going to be like The X Factor but with Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Andrea Leadsom, et al
Boris Johnson ally Ben Wallace threatens to go 'Game of Thones' on Michael Gove and give him a penectomy.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/michael-gove-game-of-thrones-tory-leadership-brexit-boris-johnson-ally-threatens-theon-greyjoy-a7113656.html0 -
Harriet Harman?isam said:
Yeah as you say, if you don't have test form. It is inconceivable HH would have been dropped after the Indian tour had he not got injuredPeter_the_Punter said:
Good County form does matter, unless you already have solid Test form in the book. Jennings had neither.isam said:
The comms don't stop banging on about the need to break up the left handers at the top of the order, and we have a rhb sitting at home watching Keaton Jennings play and miss! Jennings only got in the team because HH was injured, and who cares about county form, it is worthless. How bizarre.Peter_the_Punter said:
Something to do with his technique, apparently.isam said:
Haseeb Hameed. 3 tests, averaging 43.8, cant get a look in, madnessPeter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/632172.html
No, I don't get it either.
Confused....0 -
Many thanks.welshowl said:
Try Ireland.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
Could I just ask you what are your views on mechanics.
eg Could you do it at say Bank of Ireland in London or to be 100% safe must you physically go and do it in Dublin?
Key point raised on here last week is you must not be dealing with a UK subsidiary.0 -
Wouldn't be boring, that's for sure... Hales to Woakes would be the biggest hitting middle order since the Battle of Trafalgar.isam said:
Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test0 -
Looks alright. Personally I'd have Buttler in rather than Hales but I see where you are coming from.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test
Being an England selector should be the easiest job in the world. Seven players pick themselves and with three genuine all-rounders in the side (Stokes/Ali/Bairstow) you have huge scope as regards the other four places. You can spend your entire time just looking for those four additional players - and they come up with Dawson, Jennings, Malan.....? Even Westley and R-Jones are questionable, although worth a little run now.
Tell Root and Strauss to pick the side they want and sack Bayliss, Whittaker, Fraser and the rest.0 -
Waterloo surely, not Trafalgar.Baskerville said:Wouldn't be boring, that's for sure... Hales to Woakes would be the biggest hitting middle order since the Battle of Trafalgar.
isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test
Hard pounding this, gentlemen; let's see who will pound longest.0 -
There's a severe risk of the Tories selecting an IDS type figure (it would be hilarious if they actually did reselect Iain Duncan Smith). I mean someone who panders to their prejudices and they feel a lot more comfortable with emotionally but has no obvious reason to be chosen. Only a Remainer can avoid a failed Brexit because you can't limit damage if you don't accept there's significant damage to be limited.AlastairMeeks said:
The only way a Remainer wins is if the members don't get a say. Like you, I expect a Leaver in the last two.GIN1138 said:
Con won't be able to get away with a second leadership contest that doesn't go to the membership...DecrepitJohnL said:If it goes to the membership, I'd think about adding Boris and JRM together but it won't and even if it did, they'd both be knocked out by then anyway. Rudd vs Hammond, imo, unless Davis has sharpened up his act after his complacent loss to Cameron.
And they'll be at least one Brexiteer in the final two, IMO.
The Conservatives, however, will continue to decline until such point as they find a candidate who can make irrelevant their referendum vote.0 -
I could consider Buttler for Hales purely by virtue of his being the most beautifully spoken, charming young man I have seen interviewed this year! And piercing blue eyes, the first time I have ever noticed another mans eyesPeter_the_Punter said:
Looks alright. Personally I'd have Buttler in rather than Hales but I see where you are coming from.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test
Being an England selector should be the easiest job in the world. Seven players pick themselves and with three genuine all-rounders in the side (Stokes/Ali/Bairstow) you have huge scope as regards the other four places. You can spend your entire time just looking for those four additional players - and they come up with Dawson, Jennings, Malan.....? Even Westley and R-Jones are questionable, although worth a little run now.
Tell Root and Strauss to pick the side they want and sack Bayliss, Whittaker, Fraser and the rest.
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Middlesex bias in the selection of England teams goes back generations. Newell I don't know. What are his credentials?TheScreamingEagles said:
Angus Fraser and Mick Newell are selectors but they are Director of Cricket at Middlesex and Nottinghamshire, that's a huge conflict of interests in my books.Peter_the_Punter said:
But who is in charge? There seem to be so many that it is hard to pin down who is making all the duff calls we've seen this summer. They given themselves an extra problem too now in that if the newcomers excel against a fairly weak side like the Windies, they will pretty much have to go on tour and face a definitely not very weak side.TheScreamingEagles said:
No KP influence whilst Strauss is in charge.Peter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
I know nothing of Crane, although I'm moderately surprised that the selectors think another Hampshire man is the best replacement for Dawson. If Crane isn't the best spinner in Hampshire, is he likely to be the best in England? What has Rashid done to upset people?
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
Rashid's issue is that he doesn't offer control by bowling far too many four balls.
Does is matter if they have a spinner who isn't economical? They have plenty of bowlers who can keep it tight.
According to Atherton, Strauss sets the parameters/targets but Bayliss and the selectors do the selecting, but Root has a lot of influence, which explains why Ballance got back in the team.
I can understand the control argument, what would/did happen, is batsmen would be cautious against Anderson, Broad, Woakes, and Stokes, then unleash against Rashid.
Personally I'd have Rashid in the team, his strike rate is comparable to Ali's.
Bayliss is out of the country a lot of the time and anyway on current form deserves the sack. I really don't see why Root and Strauss can't do the job alone. If they need advice or help they can ask for it.
You forgot Ali. If those four plus Ali can't do the job, you are in trouble anyway. Rashid does at least give you an extra dimension. Dawson does not, unless you are playing for a draw on a dead pitch.0 -
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Our very own ydoether would, I think, struggle to vote for a Gove led Conservative Party. (As for that matter, would I.)Sean_F said:
A lot of teachers do (or did) vote Conservative.Essexit said:Baskerville, Alastair - I'd put it to you that a lot of the dislike for Gove comes from people who wouldn't vote Conservative anyway (e.g. teachers). That said I think he's annoyed enough people within the PCP that he wouldn't even make it to a members' vote, much to my regret.
University workers are overwhelmingly left wing, but school teachers are not.0 -
They might be green eyes!isam said:
I could consider Buttler for Hales purely by virtue of his being the most beautifully spoken, charming young man I have seen interviewed this year! And piercing blue eyes, the first time I have ever noticed another mans eyesPeter_the_Punter said:
Looks alright. Personally I'd have Buttler in rather than Hales but I see where you are coming from.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test
Being an England selector should be the easiest job in the world. Seven players pick themselves and with three genuine all-rounders in the side (Stokes/Ali/Bairstow) you have huge scope as regards the other four places. You can spend your entire time just looking for those four additional players - and they come up with Dawson, Jennings, Malan.....? Even Westley and R-Jones are questionable, although worth a little run now.
Tell Root and Strauss to pick the side they want and sack Bayliss, Whittaker, Fraser and the rest.0 -
Presumably that's on the assumption that they'll quit the Conservative Party, join and then lead the Democrats, and then win the 2022 General Election.AlastairMeeks said:On this market, much depends on whether you think Theresa May will see it through to the next general election. If like me you think she'll go beforehand, there is often better value to be found on the "next Prime Minister" market. For example, you can back Damian Green for a couple of quid at 38 on that market as I write.
Mind, oddly, at various times some of the leading Conservatives have been shorter for next Prime Minister than for next leader of the Conservative party.
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Tonight I'm having dinner with two friends. She is Portuguese, and a genuine and fervent EU fan. He is English and a Eurosceptic.
I will be trying to keep the conversation away from Brexit.0 -
In Australia you need pace so I think Mark Wood could be a starter.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test0 -
Missed the conversation about UK subsidiary. What was that? (Eg opening a Swiss Franc account at Barclays/ HSBC etc on a UK High St?)MikeL said:
Many thanks.welshowl said:
Try Ireland.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
Could I just ask you what are your views on mechanics.
eg Could you do it at say Bank of Ireland in London or to be 100% safe must you physically go and do it in Dublin?
Key point raised on here last week is you must not be dealing with a UK subsidiary.0 -
Nice to see Lynsey Sharp win the women's 800 semi.0
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Bring the subject up. Reasonable people can reasonably differ.rcs1000 said:Tonight I'm having dinner with two friends. She is Portuguese, and a genuine and fervent EU fan. He is English and a Eurosceptic.
I will be trying to keep the conversation away from Brexit.
One of my dearest friends was so left-wing that he made Skinner look like Thatcher. Yet we'd chew the cud and remain friends at the end of the evening.
An example: I drove him to his house in my landy. He pointed at the hillside above his house and said: "That was a coal mine until **** Thatcher shut it."
The hillside was grassland with small bits of concrete protruding. This was the early nineties, and most of the mines closed in the eighties were still unlandscaped. So I asked him when the mine closed. He replied: "a hundred years ago. It's still ******* ***** **** ***** **** **** that **** **** sh*t **** ***** **** bit*h Thatcher's fault!"
Yet he only wanted a better life for all. Perhaps that's the real centrist position: wanting things to improve for all.0 -
I have a US Dollar bank account, with Capital One in the US. For a long time, I thought you needed a US Social Security number to open a US bank account, but it turns out you do not: however, if you don't have an SSN (or US taxpayer identification number), then the bank cannot pay you interest. (Not currently a big problem.)MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
You will need to go to the foreign country and open the bank account there. There may very well be laws requiring you to have a local address. (In the UK, as I'm sure you know, banks require an awful lot of documentation to let you open an account.) The US is far more flexible.
If you open a US dollar bank account - for example - with Citibank UK, it is still a UK account, and therefore could in future be affected by the UK government.0 -
I've no idea what Bayliss adds to selection considering he's said he hadn't even seen one of the recent picks bat....Peter_the_Punter said:
Middlesex bias in the selection of England teams goes back generations. Newell I don't know. What are his credentials?TheScreamingEagles said:
Angus Fraser and Mick Newell are selectors but they are Director of Cricket at Middlesex and Nottinghamshire, that's a huge conflict of interests in my books.Peter_the_Punter said:
But who is in charge? There seem to be so many that it is hard to pin down who is making all the duff calls we've seen this summer. They given themselves an extra problem too now in that if the newcomers excel against a fairly weak side like the Windies, they will pretty much have to go on tour and face a definitely not very weak side.TheScreamingEagles said:
No KP influence whilst Strauss is in charge.Peter_the_Punter said:
You have to give Malan another chance. I know you and I wouldn't have picked him in the first place, but having been picked I think he has to be given a decent run.ydoethur said:England's selectors have taken leave of their senses.
Not only have they retained Malan, but they've called up Mason Crane.
Didn't Simon Kerrigan teach them anything?
Jennings is another we would never have picked but he was so pitifully out of form he should have gone before Old Trafford, and today's decision is a merciful release.
If Woakes is fit he will surely replace R-Jones.
Do I detect excessive KP influence?
Rashid's issue is that he doesn't offer control by bowling far too many four balls.
Does is matter if they have a spinner who isn't economical? They have plenty of bowlers who can keep it tight.
According to Atherton, Strauss sets the parameters/targets but Bayliss and the selectors do the selecting, but Root has a lot of influence, which explains why Ballance got back in the team.
I can understand the control argument, what would/did happen, is batsmen would be cautious against Anderson, Broad, Woakes, and Stokes, then unleash against Rashid.
Personally I'd have Rashid in the team, his strike rate is comparable to Ali's.
Bayliss is out of the country a lot of the time and anyway on current form deserves the sack. I really don't see why Root and Strauss can't do the job alone. If they need advice or help they can ask for it.
You forgot Ali. If those four plus Ali can't do the job, you are in trouble anyway. Rashid does at least give you an extra dimension. Dawson does not, unless you are playing for a draw on a dead pitch.
I agree about Rashid, but I fear he has incorrectly been pigeonholed as a one day player only. And for a leggie, he's still pretty young.0 -
The Atlantic explores the NK options in some detail:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/0 -
Indeed. The English are bounced out in Oz, the Aussies swung out in England.Tykejohnno said:
In Australia you need pace so I think Mark Wood could be a starter.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test
On a vaguely similar line (ish), two S African rugby teams are joining the Pro 12 rugby (The league of Celts and Italians). I shall be fascinated to see how the travelling affects them, and having to play on the high Veldt in high summer one week, and the likes of Glasgow in depths of winter the next.0 -
Yeah. I like Finn, we share a hairstyleTykejohnno said:
In Australia you need pace so I think Mark Wood could be a starter.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test0 -
Quite. Your bank branch that holds the account has to be subject to foreign jurisdiction I guess is the rule of thumb? Making the likes of Jersey not far enough ultimately.rcs1000 said:
I have a US Dollar bank account, with Capital One in the US. For a long time, I thought you needed a US Social Security number to open a US bank account, but it turns out you do not: however, if you don't have an SSN (or US taxpayer identification number), then the bank cannot pay you interest. (Not currently a big problem.)MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
You will need to go to the foreign country and open the bank account there. There may very well be laws requiring you to have a local address. (In the UK, as I'm sure you know, banks require an awful lot of documentation to let you open an account.) The US is far more flexible.
If you open a US dollar bank account - for example - with Citibank UK, it is still a UK account, and therefore could in future be affected by the UK government.0 -
Struggle is the wrong word.rcs1000 said:
Our very own ydoether would, I think, struggle to vote for a Gove led Conservative Party. (As for that matter, would I.)Sean_F said:
A lot of teachers do (or did) vote Conservative.Essexit said:Baskerville, Alastair - I'd put it to you that a lot of the dislike for Gove comes from people who wouldn't vote Conservative anyway (e.g. teachers). That said I think he's annoyed enough people within the PCP that he wouldn't even make it to a members' vote, much to my regret.
University workers are overwhelmingly left wing, but school teachers are not.
I would vote Corbyn in a choice between the man with the gay donkey obsession, the Jezziah and being tortured horribly to death over several hours while listening to Brown's budget speeches.
If you replace Corbyn with Gove I would choose death.
And yet we did vote Conservative in 2010. He promised to set us free to teach and stop meddling...first lie in a distinguished career of deception.0 -
That's interesting, thanks.Nigelb said:The Atlantic explores the NK options in some detail:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/0 -
If he's fit. Ball might be a better option.Tykejohnno said:
In Australia you need pace so I think Mark Wood could be a starter.isam said:Cook
Hameed
Westley
Root
Hales
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
In the first Ashes Test
On the subject of Rashid, most leg spinners bowl release balls, which is why it was fading from fashion before Warne arrived. But they also provide a genuine attacking option when the ball is old. If they are wily and experienced, or utterly brilliant. Crane is neither.
If anyone wants to see a rather clever introduction, check out Stuart McGill's Cricinfo page. Although even that isn't as good as David Gower's.0 -
I have been on holiday in north east Scotland and Berwick upon Tweed and have only posted from time to time as the EU debate has become so polarised. It is easy to see both sides of the story but the end result will be a compromise and I have become more laid back for my own peace of mind.
It is therefore my intention to contribute less for a period of time and pursue other interests.
I hope everyone will discover the secret of being nicer to one another as no one has the an easy answer to the most complex issues facing the UK and the entire World.
I will dip in from time to time but for now all the very best to everyone no matter that we may not share the same view of politics.
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In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.0 -
Go to Dubai or Singapore. No questions asked.dixiedean said:
In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.0 -
Wow.
The council confirmed that "strengthening works" - carried out on estates under government order across the UK in the wake of Ronan Point - may never have happened on the Ledbury.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40891474
For context, Ronan Point is a world-famous structural failure from 1968 - it's in a book I recently purchased on structural failures. The idea that the required works were not performed after it is staggering.
Although Labour will probably still try to blame May ...0 -
Many thanks to all for your replies.
If for sake of argument I went to Dublin and tried to open an account with Bank of Ireland, would they insist on an Irish address?0 -
Fair enough, but he did ask about Canada. Btw your answer shows why there won't be exchange controls under Corbyn and warning about them won't work. People are used to moving money around. The world has moved on.surbiton said:
Go to Dubai or Singapore. No questions asked.dixiedean said:
In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.0 -
If you make a spoof application for a current account on their website, you are told on page 2 that "Because you are not resident in Ireland at this time, we will require your identification documents to be certified. For example, by a solicitor or police officer", so no seems to be the answer.MikeL said:Many thanks to all for your replies.
If for sake of argument I went to Dublin and tried to open an account with Bank of Ireland, would they insist on an Irish address?0 -
For an offshore dollar account all you'll need is a passport copy and proof of address which can be anywhere in the world. They may report back to HMRC if requested but your money's safe from any potential UK currency controls or Pound crashes.surbiton said:
Go to Dubai or Singapore. No questions asked.dixiedean said:
In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.0 -
I have dormant accounts in Dubai and Shanghai if you want to deposit some cash in them....0
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Well I 99.9% agree but why risk the 0.1%? The shadow chancellor was lobbing Mao's little red book around the despatch box not that long ago.dixiedean said:
Fair enough, but he did ask about Canada. Btw your answer shows why there won't be exchange controls under Corbyn and warning about them won't work. People are used to moving money around. The world has moved on.surbiton said:
Go to Dubai or Singapore. No questions asked.dixiedean said:
In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
I have other reasons anyway personally, but even if I didn't, putting some assets beyond the ability of Corbyn, McDonnell, and the likes of Milne to screw them up seems like a sound insurance policy.0 -
Bald men fighting for a comb. I would say to the Tories "if you want to win the election next time, pick a leader from outside the cabinet",0
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Many thanks again for all replies.
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Bank crashes, not so much.Sandpit said:
For an offshore dollar account all you'll need is a passport copy and proof of address which can be anywhere in the world. They may report back to HMRC if requested but your money's safe from any potential UK currency controls or Pound crashes.surbiton said:
Go to Dubai or Singapore. No questions asked.dixiedean said:
In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
Feels churlish to point out that Corbyn is trying to help those without the luxury of enough to put in offshore accounts and that might be a good thing0 -
Delurking to reply. I'm a bit of an aficionado at foreign bank accounts since my company does 80% of it's sales abroad!MikeL said:Many thanks to all for your replies.
If for sake of argument I went to Dublin and tried to open an account with Bank of Ireland, would they insist on an Irish address?
Different countries have different rules. If you want a US account then Citibank is the best one to use. You can go to any Citibank branch in the USA with a passport and a bank statement/utility bill for proof of address. You don't need a US address to do this. They'll set up the account there and then with online banking too. You can receive and send international payments using the online banking system.
Even easier is Ireland. The best bank to go for in Ireland is Ulster Bank, because it is set up in Northern Ireland as well, so the staff are used to opening accounts for Brits in Ireland and vice versa. Just ring up their customer service (0345 366 5592 - I've got it in my phone!) and say you want to open an account in the Republic of Ireland. Or you can do it online. They'll send you a form to fill in, and then you need to go to a branch of RBS or Natwest in the UK with passport and proof of address. They will verify your identity and then send the application directly to Ireland via their internal post, so you don't even need to go to Ireland to do it. You don't need an Irish address either - all correspondence comes to the UK.
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I understand the sentiment, but also understand those scared witless by Corbyn and McMao's policies. Screwing the rich always ends up screwing the middle classes.Jonathan said:
Bank crashes, not so much.Sandpit said:
For an offshore dollar account all you'll need is a passport copy and proof of address which can be anywhere in the world. They may report back to HMRC if requested but your money's safe from any potential UK currency controls or Pound crashes.surbiton said:
Go to Dubai or Singapore. No questions asked.dixiedean said:
In Canada you could explore a Credit Union. I had an account when I lived there without permission to work or permanent residency. It is basically a building society. However, the rules for eligibility may have changed since then. I was unable to open a bank account.MikeL said:
I asked on here the other day about mechanics of opening an overseas bank account (ie completely outside any UK jurisdiction).welshowl said:
Even the vague possibility of these have already influenced my actions.MikeL said:
They need to talk about practical things that people can relate to.rottenborough said:
The Tories need someone who will really take the fight to Corbyn and argue about economics and public debt and priorities, and the threat to democracy from Milne and co etc etc.TOPPING said:Green is a wet fish. He's not going to galvanise anyone and we have already tried the safe pair of hands approach and look where that got us.
Labour got away with blue (red?) murder in 2017 GE.
Young people like travelling.
So I would major on stuff like the prospect of a currency crisis and the imposition of exchange controls.
How many people under say 40 have even heard of exchange controls?
There were some helpful posts but would be grateful if anyone could give a comprehensive reply.
eg I have family in Canada and thought I might open an account there - but have been advised that you probably need a Canadian NI number (or equivalent) to do so.
Can anyone advise what they have done.
I would basically like to open an account and just deposit say £1,000 in it for now. But crucially it must be able to receive international transfers - so a substantial sum could be transferred in future at short notice.
Feels churlish to point out that Corbyn is trying to help those without the luxury of enough to put in offshore accounts and that might be a good thing
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Because reasons, and whashisname Chapman say so?Scott_P said:
Seriously, Remainers need to get over themselves.0
