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Nope. I'm near perfect these days.Cyclefree said:
Do you not make mistakes anymore then?TheScreamingEagles said:
If only I had known you a few years ago.Cyclefree said:It's the non-apology apology. One should apologise for what one has done or not done, regardless of whether any offence has been caused. It's not the offence caused which is the problem.
I'm thinking of running courses for those in public life teaching them how to apologise. It's really very simple. Start with the word "I" and end with the word "sorry". Add the verb in the middle.
Judging by how hard it appears to be I should make millions.
Note: the Cyclefree Infallible Apology guide (CIA) is applying for copyright.
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It's not an actual marking scheme as commented by someone I know how was on the committee writing the papers this year....Nigelb said:The legacy of Gove ?
New rules for punctuation (hitherto secret):
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/10/primary-school-children-lose-marks-in-sats-tests-for-mis-shaped-commas0 -
Depends on how self-checkout works. Waitrose self-scanning is brilliant - no manhandling each item from trolley to bag.another_richard said:
But not their customers satisfaction.birdman said:
Increasing the number of self-checkout tills will increase the shop's productivity.another_richard said:
Indeed.foxinsoxuk said:
Wasn't there a specific policy in those years to reduce class sizes (that is reduce teacher productivity) and reduce junior doctors hours (reduce productivity) while lengthening GP appointments (reduce productivity)?another_richard said:FPT re productivity.
I wonder if Don Brind has any thoughts as to public sector productivity between 1997 and 2010 ?
Here is the official ONS data:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/publicservicesproductivity/datasets/growthratesofoutputandproductivityfortotalpublicservicesexcludingqualityadjustmentforhealthcareandeducationtable3
It shows that public sector productivity declined by 1.3% between 1997 and 2010 but if you removed the 'quality adjustment' aka exam grade inflation then public sector productivity fell by a shocking 8.3% during the Labour government.
Assessing productivity in service industries is problematic enough, before we consider the further issue of how to measure this in services free at the point of use.
One of the difficulties in increasing productivity now in the UK is that for much of the economy an increase in productivity isn't necessarily what the consumers want.
For a non public sector example I would like the supermarkets to decrease their productivity by increasing the number of checkout tills in operation.0 -
Just as well you don't work in the City then. Otherwise I'd have you on my list of Ones to Watch.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope. I'm near perfect these days.Cyclefree said:
Do you not make mistakes anymore then?TheScreamingEagles said:
If only I had known you a few years ago.Cyclefree said:It's the non-apology apology. One should apologise for what one has done or not done, regardless of whether any offence has been caused. It's not the offence caused which is the problem.
I'm thinking of running courses for those in public life teaching them how to apologise. It's really very simple. Start with the word "I" and end with the word "sorry". Add the verb in the middle.
Judging by how hard it appears to be I should make millions.
Note: the Cyclefree Infallible Apology guide (CIA) is applying for copyright.
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You missing a comma in there somewhere? Just asking :-)eek said:
It's not an actual marking scheme as commented by someone I know how was on the committee writing the papers this year....Nigelb said:The legacy of Gove ?
New rules for punctuation (hitherto secret):
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/10/primary-school-children-lose-marks-in-sats-tests-for-mis-shaped-commas0 -
From what I can tell, no one knows the origin of "nitty gritty", which apparently first appeared in the 20th century.Jet said:I agree: credit to Theresa May for suspending the whip. She did the right thing, and she did it promptly, even if she had little choice but to.
What a pea-brain Ann Marie Morris must be. Seriously!
She can't even apologise properly. "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused." No, dear. This isn't like saying "nitty-gritty" without knowing the term's origin, which many decent people do...
There seems to be no hard evidence at all for its having been a racist term.
I agree with your sentiment, however.
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No kidding. I go out of my way to avoid self service tills.another_richard said:
But not their customers satisfaction.birdman said:
Increasing the number of self-checkout tills will increase the shop's productivity.another_richard said:
Indeed.foxinsoxuk said:
Wasn't there a specific policy in those years to reduce class sizes (that is reduce teacher productivity) and reduce junior doctors hours (reduce productivity) while lengthening GP appointments (reduce productivity)?another_richard said:FPT re productivity.
I wonder if Don Brind has any thoughts as to public sector productivity between 1997 and 2010 ?
Here is the official ONS data:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/publicservicesproductivity/datasets/growthratesofoutputandproductivityfortotalpublicservicesexcludingqualityadjustmentforhealthcareandeducationtable3
It shows that public sector productivity declined by 1.3% between 1997 and 2010 but if you removed the 'quality adjustment' aka exam grade inflation then public sector productivity fell by a shocking 8.3% during the Labour government.
Assessing productivity in service industries is problematic enough, before we consider the further issue of how to measure this in services free at the point of use.
One of the difficulties in increasing productivity now in the UK is that for much of the economy an increase in productivity isn't necessarily what the consumers want.
For a non public sector example I would like the supermarkets to decrease their productivity by increasing the number of checkout tills in operation.
That being said, the Amazon store in Seattle, where you just go in, fill your bag and walk out sounds amazing.0 -
Good, but not infallible.Cyclefree said:
It's the non-apology apology. One should apologise for what one has done or not done, regardless of whether any offence has been caused. It's not the offence caused which is the problem.Jet said:I agree: credit to Theresa May for suspending the whip. She did the right thing, and she did it promptly, even if she had little choice but to.
What a pea-brain Ann Marie Morris must be. Seriously!
She can't even apologise properly. "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused." No, dear. This isn't like saying "nitty-gritty" without knowing the term's origin, which many decent people do. You got caught casually using the N word, FFS! An apology should be for what you did, e.g. "I'm sorry I did X". And don't use a form of words that suggests that offence may or may not have "been caused", but that if it was caused (because why should you know whether it was or not, since those of us who say we're disgusted might be putting it on, right?) then you're sorry. Get the F out of public life, you racist moron!
I'm thinking of running courses for those in public life teaching them how to apologise. It's really very simple. Start with the word "I" and end with the word "sorry". Add the verb in the middle.
Judging by how hard it appears to be I should make millions.
Note: the Cyclefree Infallible Apology guide (CIA) is applying for copyright.
One almost infallible formulation is "I am sorry; I was wrong."
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I'm sure this has been shared already...
https://www.indy100.com/article/nigel-farage-ukip-steve-bannon-napoleon-painting-donald-trump-breitbart-78334610 -
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"Why it is closing time for so many London pubs
Alehouses in the city's outer regions are especially vulnerable"
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Got to leave something for the follow up book/course.Nigelb said:
Good, but not infallible.Cyclefree said:
It's the non-apology apology. One should apologise for what one has done or not done, regardless of whether any offence has been caused. It's not the offence caused which is the problem.Jet said:I agree: credit to Theresa May for suspending the whip. She did the right thing, and she did it promptly, even if she had little choice but to.
What a pea-brain Ann Marie Morris must be. Seriously!
She can't even apologise properly. "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused." No, dear. This isn't like saying "nitty-gritty" without knowing the term's origin, which many decent people do. You got caught casually using the N word, FFS! An apology should be for what you did, e.g. "I'm sorry I did X". And don't use a form of words that suggests that offence may or may not have "been caused", but that if it was caused (because why should you know whether it was or not, since those of us who say we're disgusted might be putting it on, right?) then you're sorry. Get the F out of public life, you racist moron!
I'm thinking of running courses for those in public life teaching them how to apologise. It's really very simple. Start with the word "I" and end with the word "sorry". Add the verb in the middle.
Judging by how hard it appears to be I should make millions.
Note: the Cyclefree Infallible Apology guide (CIA) is applying for copyright.
One almost infallible formulation is "I am sorry; I was wrong."0 -
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Agreed. There's something rather petty and half-hearted about the "for any offence caused" phrase. There's a subtext along the lines of "...if you have been so overly sensitive as to take offence". I hope the CIA guide will explicitly proscribe the term.Cyclefree said:
It's the non-apology apology. One should apologise for what one has done or not done, regardless of whether any offence has been caused. It's not the offence caused which is the problem.Jet said:I agree: credit to Theresa May for suspending the whip. She did the right thing, and she did it promptly, even if she had little choice but to.
What a pea-brain Ann Marie Morris must be. Seriously!
She can't even apologise properly. "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused." No, dear. This isn't like saying "nitty-gritty" without knowing the term's origin, which many decent people do. You got caught casually using the N word, FFS! An apology should be for what you did, e.g. "I'm sorry I did X". And don't use a form of words that suggests that offence may or may not have "been caused", but that if it was caused (because why should you know whether it was or not, since those of us who say we're disgusted might be putting it on, right?) then you're sorry. Get the F out of public life, you racist moron!
I'm thinking of running courses for those in public life teaching them how to apologise. It's really very simple. Start with the word "I" and end with the word "sorry". Add the verb in the middle.
Judging by how hard it appears to be I should make millions.
Note: the Cyclefree Infallible Apology guide (CIA) is applying for copyright.
Her apology just leaves you with the impression she is mostly sorry she has been found out.0 -
And is the Pope still a Catholic?calum said:0 -
A few but I was distracted trying to find the actual comment.Benpointer said:
You missing a comma in there somewhere? Just asking :-)eek said:
It's not an actual marking scheme as commented by someone I know how was on the committee writing the papers this year....Nigelb said:The legacy of Gove ?
New rules for punctuation (hitherto secret):
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/10/primary-school-children-lose-marks-in-sats-tests-for-mis-shaped-commas0 -
The Nigel Farage show shown live on LBC's Facebook stream and is also posted on YouTube - Just for you Scotty;Scott_P said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLy_anH7j7U
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I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.0 -
Because you're too thick to operate them?rcs1000 said:
No kidding. I go out of my way to avoid self service tills.another_richard said:
But not their customers satisfaction.birdman said:
Increasing the number of self-checkout tills will increase the shop's productivity.another_richard said:
Indeed.foxinsoxuk said:
Wasn't there a specific policy in those years to reduce class sizes (that is reduce teacher productivity) and reduce junior doctors hours (reduce productivity) while lengthening GP appointments (reduce productivity)?another_richard said:FPT re productivity.
I wonder if Don Brind has any thoughts as to public sector productivity between 1997 and 2010 ?
Here is the official ONS data:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/publicservicesproductivity/datasets/growthratesofoutputandproductivityfortotalpublicservicesexcludingqualityadjustmentforhealthcareandeducationtable3
It shows that public sector productivity declined by 1.3% between 1997 and 2010 but if you removed the 'quality adjustment' aka exam grade inflation then public sector productivity fell by a shocking 8.3% during the Labour government.
Assessing productivity in service industries is problematic enough, before we consider the further issue of how to measure this in services free at the point of use.
One of the difficulties in increasing productivity now in the UK is that for much of the economy an increase in productivity isn't necessarily what the consumers want.
For a non public sector example I would like the supermarkets to decrease their productivity by increasing the number of checkout tills in operation.
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What execrable nonsense. Cash and Redwood probably said nothing because they were embarrassed and didn't want to draw attention to it.619 said:I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.0 -
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@rcs1000 Bet that had you rolling in the aisles!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Because you're too thick to operate them?rcs1000 said:
No kidding. I go out of my way to avoid self service tills.another_richard said:
But not their customers satisfaction.birdman said:
Increasing the number of self-checkout tills will increase the shop's productivity.another_richard said:
Indeed.foxinsoxuk said:
Wasn't there a specific policy in those years to reduce class sizes (that is reduce teacher productivity) and reduce junior doctors hours (reduce productivity) while lengthening GP appointments (reduce productivity)?another_richard said:FPT re productivity.
I wonder if Don Brind has any thoughts as to public sector productivity between 1997 and 2010 ?
Here is the official ONS data:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/publicservicesproductivity/datasets/growthratesofoutputandproductivityfortotalpublicservicesexcludingqualityadjustmentforhealthcareandeducationtable3
It shows that public sector productivity declined by 1.3% between 1997 and 2010 but if you removed the 'quality adjustment' aka exam grade inflation then public sector productivity fell by a shocking 8.3% during the Labour government.
Assessing productivity in service industries is problematic enough, before we consider the further issue of how to measure this in services free at the point of use.
One of the difficulties in increasing productivity now in the UK is that for much of the economy an increase in productivity isn't necessarily what the consumers want.
For a non public sector example I would like the supermarkets to decrease their productivity by increasing the number of checkout tills in operation.
*runs and hides*0 -
Us Radiohead fans merely think they lack sufficient pathos.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Because you're too thick to operate them?rcs1000 said:
No kidding. I go out of my way to avoid self service tills.another_richard said:
But not their customers satisfaction.birdman said:
Increasing the number of self-checkout tills will increase the shop's productivity.another_richard said:
Indeed.foxinsoxuk said:
Wasn't there a specific policy in those years to reduce class sizes (that is reduce teacher productivity) and reduce junior doctors hours (reduce productivity) while lengthening GP appointments (reduce productivity)?another_richard said:FPT re productivity.
I wonder if Don Brind has any thoughts as to public sector productivity between 1997 and 2010 ?
Here is the official ONS data:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/publicservicesproductivity/datasets/growthratesofoutputandproductivityfortotalpublicservicesexcludingqualityadjustmentforhealthcareandeducationtable3
It shows that public sector productivity declined by 1.3% between 1997 and 2010 but if you removed the 'quality adjustment' aka exam grade inflation then public sector productivity fell by a shocking 8.3% during the Labour government.
Assessing productivity in service industries is problematic enough, before we consider the further issue of how to measure this in services free at the point of use.
One of the difficulties in increasing productivity now in the UK is that for much of the economy an increase in productivity isn't necessarily what the consumers want.
For a non public sector example I would like the supermarkets to decrease their productivity by increasing the number of checkout tills in operation.
*runs and hides*0 -
Too right. These daft locutions are infectious - people hear them so often they assume that they're the correct way to do things. Another one is "Thanks in advance."Cyclefree said:
It's the non-apology apology. One should apologise for what one has done or not done, regardless of whether any offence has been caused. It's not the offence caused which is the problem.Jet said:I agree: credit to Theresa May for suspending the whip. She did the right thing, and she did it promptly, even if she had little choice but to.
What a pea-brain Ann Marie Morris must be. Seriously!
She can't even apologise properly. "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused." No, dear. This isn't like saying "nitty-gritty" without knowing the term's origin, which many decent people do. You got caught casually using the N word, FFS! An apology should be for what you did, e.g. "I'm sorry I did X". And don't use a form of words that suggests that offence may or may not have "been caused", but that if it was caused (because why should you know whether it was or not, since those of us who say we're disgusted might be putting it on, right?) then you're sorry. Get the F out of public life, you racist moron!
I'm thinking of running courses for those in public life teaching them how to apologise. It's really very simple. Start with the word "I" and end with the word "sorry". Add the verb in the middle.
Judging by how hard it appears to be I should make millions.
Note: the Cyclefree Infallible Apology guide (CIA) is applying for copyright.0 -
Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.0
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More Brexiteer backtracking. Apparently it wasn't primarily an anti-EU vote.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/8845056888814714880 -
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
Another day - another drip in the relentless drip, drip, drip of bad news raining down on May and the Tories.
Just looking at recent PB threads shows how relentlessly bad the news has become for the Cons across a range of issues. This surely can't continue for much longer - can it?0 -
From 9th July 2008:
"David Cameron stands by 'nigger in the woodpile' peer
David Cameron has stood by a Conservative peer who used the phrase "nigger in the woodpile" during a Parliamentary debate."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2275997/David-Cameron-stands-by-nigger-in-the-woodpile-peer.html0 -
The final few tweets in that thread are brutal.Dadge said:
So, I am asking you to do some soul searching and rethink this whole thing.
Just to be clear, we’ll still be friends, and it doesn’t matter if you decide to leave the EU, or not. But if you leave for the reasons you have stated, you will not be respected in the global community for many years to come.
Oh, and I heard you were talking about WTO reform. Seriously? After this?!?0 -
Any bets on how long before some Spectator writer wheels out the "Somebody said something offensive and now people are attacking them on twitter... who are the real monsters?!" template and pastes in Morris' name?0
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HRHDoE is even older, and rather disproves your point.IanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
"My nigger!"AndyJS said:From 9th July 2008:
"David Cameron stands by 'nigger in the woodpile' peer
David Cameron has stood by a Conservative peer who used the phrase "nigger in the woodpile" during a Parliamentary debate."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2275997/David-Cameron-stands-by-nigger-in-the-woodpile-peer.html
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He is of an age when he doesn't have to care, and indeed takes devilment from (much milder examples of) it. I showed him round an exhibition once, most entertaining, even if protocol prevents me from telling the tale.Ishmael_Z said:
HRHDoE is even older, and rather disproves your point.IanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
... and so is the Duke of Edinburgh. Oh. Er...IanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.
But your point is spot on. She's an ex corporate lawyer and ought ot be savvy enough (and, one would hope, right-minded enough) never to use a phrase like that.0 -
Not great either. But the main differences:AndyJS said:From 9th July 2008:
"David Cameron stands by 'nigger in the woodpile' peer
David Cameron has stood by a Conservative peer who used the phrase "nigger in the woodpile" during a Parliamentary debate."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2275997/David-Cameron-stands-by-nigger-in-the-woodpile-peer.html
- He's about 22 years older
- He actually apologised
- He apologised immediately (although he was prompted)0 -
Yeah. She is 60 years old. She should 100% know better. Zero sympthathy for herIanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
Logical consequence is that the government should never have accepted the referendum result.williamglenn said:More Brexiteer backtracking. Apparently it wasn't primarily an anti-EU vote.
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/8845056888814714880 -
In a world where genuine, full-on, no-kidding antisemitism which permeates the Labour party results in a suspension for Ken and a peerage for Chakrabarti, I feel justified in suggesting that you bugger off and stop being a twat.Stereotomy said:Any bets on how long before some Spectator writer wheels out the "Somebody said something offensive and now people are attacking them on twitter... who are the real monsters?!" template and pastes in Morris' name?
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Well i await their explanation then.RoyalBlue said:
What execrable nonsense. Cash and Redwood probably said nothing because they were embarrassed and didn't want to draw attention to it.619 said:I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.0 -
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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Er, what did that have to do with what I said?Ishmael_Z said:
In a world where genuine, full-on, no-kidding antisemitism which permeates the Labour party results in a suspension for Ken and a peerage for Chakrabarti, I feel justified in suggesting that you bugger off and stop being a twat.Stereotomy said:Any bets on how long before some Spectator writer wheels out the "Somebody said something offensive and now people are attacking them on twitter... who are the real monsters?!" template and pastes in Morris' name?
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'Quick, squirrel'.Stereotomy said:
Er, what did that have to do with what I said?Ishmael_Z said:
In a world where genuine, full-on, no-kidding antisemitism which permeates the Labour party results in a suspension for Ken and a peerage for Chakrabarti, I feel justified in suggesting that you bugger off and stop being a twat.Stereotomy said:Any bets on how long before some Spectator writer wheels out the "Somebody said something offensive and now people are attacking them on twitter... who are the real monsters?!" template and pastes in Morris' name?
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Well in this case: "Quick, squirrel... you twat"619 said:
'Quick, squirrel'.Stereotomy said:
Er, what did that have to do with what I said?Ishmael_Z said:
In a world where genuine, full-on, no-kidding antisemitism which permeates the Labour party results in a suspension for Ken and a peerage for Chakrabarti, I feel justified in suggesting that you bugger off and stop being a twat.Stereotomy said:Any bets on how long before some Spectator writer wheels out the "Somebody said something offensive and now people are attacking them on twitter... who are the real monsters?!" template and pastes in Morris' name?
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He has form stretching back for decades.IanB2 said:
He is of an age when he doesn't have to care, and indeed takes devilment from (much milder examples of) it. I showed him round an exhibition once, most entertaining, even if protocol prevents me from telling the tale.Ishmael_Z said:
HRHDoE is even older, and rather disproves your point.IanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
Who appointed you Grand Inquisitor?619 said:
Well i await their explanation then.RoyalBlue said:
What execrable nonsense. Cash and Redwood probably said nothing because they were embarrassed and didn't want to draw attention to it.619 said:I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Nigga619 said:I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.-1 -
He has been old for decadesIshmael_Z said:
He has form stretching back for decades.IanB2 said:
He is of an age when he doesn't have to care, and indeed takes devilment from (much milder examples of) it. I showed him round an exhibition once, most entertaining, even if protocol prevents me from telling the tale.Ishmael_Z said:
HRHDoE is even older, and rather disproves your point.IanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
In normal society yes, but she's a Conservative MP, presumably she hangs around with a lot of casually racist people.619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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You don't shrink from stating the obvious, do you? None of us noticed that trump's pussy grabbing remarks were not a great thing to say until you had said so about 200 times, with the corollary that Hillary was going to cruise to victory and into the White House. How did that turn out?619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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Good point.IanB2 said:
He has been old for decadesIshmael_Z said:
He has form stretching back for decades.IanB2 said:
He is of an age when he doesn't have to care, and indeed takes devilment from (much milder examples of) it. I showed him round an exhibition once, most entertaining, even if protocol prevents me from telling the tale.Ishmael_Z said:
HRHDoE is even older, and rather disproves your point.IanB2 said:
The way some people are speaking (take a look at ConHome) you'd think she was 85 or 90 and brought up before the war.edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
Besides, if you are in public life you learn, it's not difficult. HMQ is older.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggaz4Lifeedmundintokyo said:
In normal society yes, but she's a Conservative MP, presumably she hangs around with a lot of casually racist people.619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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And the venue was the East India Club.edmundintokyo said:
In normal society yes, but she's a Conservative MP, presumably she hangs around with a lot of casually racist people.619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggas_in_ParisIanB2 said:
And the venue was the East India Club.edmundintokyo said:
In normal society yes, but she's a Conservative MP, presumably she hangs around with a lot of casually racist people.619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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Terribly for all of us.Ishmael_Z said:
You don't shrink from stating the obvious, do you? None of us noticed that trump's pussy grabbing remarks were not a great thing to say until you had said so about 200 times, with the corollary that Hillary was going to cruise to victory and into the White House. How did that turn out?619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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I believe she chose that album for her desert island discs selection.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggaz4Lifeedmundintokyo said:
In normal society yes, but she's a Conservative MP, presumably she hangs around with a lot of casually racist people.619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:0 -
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.0 -
Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs0 -
Some African-Americans only consider nigga offensive when used by people of other races,[5] its use outside a defined social group being an unwelcome cultural appropriation. Used by blacks, the term may indicate "solidarity or affection",[9] similar to the usage of the words dude, homeboy, and bro. Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.0 -
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some African-Americans only consider nigga offensive when used by people of other races,[5] its use outside a defined social group being an unwelcome cultural appropriation. Used by blacks, the term may indicate "solidarity or affection",[9] similar to the usage of the words dude, homeboy, and bro. Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.0 -
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.0 -
Wonder whether we'll have FOM with Australia?rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.
Could be a lot of people wanting to depart for Aus and N/Z if Cobyn gets in and ****'s things up....
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GIN1138 said:
Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Although they seem keener on getting a deal in with the EU first.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/884396559206633472
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I think everyone should be judged according to the same criteria, not based on how old they are, what background they come from, etc. The same rules for everyone.Stereotomy said:
Not great either. But the main differences:AndyJS said:From 9th July 2008:
"David Cameron stands by 'nigger in the woodpile' peer
David Cameron has stood by a Conservative peer who used the phrase "nigger in the woodpile" during a Parliamentary debate."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2275997/David-Cameron-stands-by-nigger-in-the-woodpile-peer.html
- He's about 22 years older
- He actually apologised
- He apologised immediately (although he was prompted)0 -
Neither expulsion nor deselection would result on a by election. MPs are elected as individuals not as party representatives and being expelled from a party does not change the fact she is an MP until she stands down or until the next GE.619 said:I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.0 -
Yeah, I more or less agree. I think maybe my position on that softens just a little when it's something accidental like this, but really anyone of any age should keep a closer guard on their mouth.AndyJS said:
I think everyone should be judged according to the same criteria, not based on how old they are, what background they come from, etc. The same rules for everyone.Stereotomy said:
Not great either. But the main differences:AndyJS said:From 9th July 2008:
"David Cameron stands by 'nigger in the woodpile' peer
David Cameron has stood by a Conservative peer who used the phrase "nigger in the woodpile" during a Parliamentary debate."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/2275997/David-Cameron-stands-by-nigger-in-the-woodpile-peer.html
- He's about 22 years older
- He actually apologised
- He apologised immediately (although he was prompted)0 -
You missed this bit:Stereotomy said:
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some African-Americans only consider nigga offensive when used by people of other races,[5] its use outside a defined social group being an unwelcome cultural appropriation. Used by blacks, the term may indicate "solidarity or affection",[9] similar to the usage of the words dude, homeboy, and bro. Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.
"Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful"0 -
Knowing the EU they'll still be trying to get a deal together with Australia in 2030...JonathanD said:GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Although they seem keener on getting a deal in with the EU first.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/884396559206633472 0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilty_or_Innocent_of_Using_the_N_WordParistonda said:
I believe she chose that album for her desert island discs selection.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggaz4Lifeedmundintokyo said:
In normal society yes, but she's a Conservative MP, presumably she hangs around with a lot of casually racist people.619 said:
Modern world??? Its been completely unacceptable for decades!edmundintokyo said:Kind of feel sorry for this person, it's not like she's expressing hatred or anything - she just seems to be having a hard time keeping up with the modern world.
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Okay, let's do a quick quiz.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this bit:Stereotomy said:
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some African-Americans only consider nigga offensive when used by people of other races,[5] its use outside a defined social group being an unwelcome cultural appropriation. Used by blacks, the term may indicate "solidarity or affection",[9] similar to the usage of the words dude, homeboy, and bro. Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.
"Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful"
1. Is the word "nigga" predominantly used by:
a) Young African-Americans
b) Conservative MPs
2. Which of these phrases is a well-known idiom which could complete the phrase "Now we get to the real ______, which is in two years what happens if there is no deal.":
a) Nigger in the woodpile
b) Nigga in the woodpile
3. Fill in the blanks in the following statements:
a) "'My _____' is a greeting used predominantly in the US, especially among African-Americans."
b) "Nobody in the US has had cause to say 'my ______' since 1865"0 -
My nigga!Stereotomy said:
Okay, let's do a quick quiz.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this bit:Stereotomy said:
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some African-Americans only consider nigga offensive when used by people of other races,[5] its use outside a defined social group being an unwelcome cultural appropriation. Used by blacks, the term may indicate "solidarity or affection",[9] similar to the usage of the words dude, homeboy, and bro. Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.
"Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful"
1. Is the word "nigga" predominantly used by:
a) Young African-Americans
b) Conservative MPs
You forgot this bit too:
"Non-rhotic English-speakers, such as speakers of many British dialects and African American Vernacular English, pronounce "nigger" and "nigga" identically and do not distinguish between the two words."0 -
Is this the first time you've encountered the idea of homonyms? Do you think "rein", "reign" and "rain" are the same word? Or are you struggling with answering question 2 on the quiz? You're allowed to use wikipedia to find out the answers by the way, (consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_in_the_woodpile and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga_in_the_woodpile as starting points)Sunil_Prasannan said:
My nigga!Stereotomy said:
Okay, let's do a quick quiz.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this bit:Stereotomy said:
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some African-Americans only consider nigga offensive when used by people of other races,[5] its use outside a defined social group being an unwelcome cultural appropriation. Used by blacks, the term may indicate "solidarity or affection",[9] similar to the usage of the words dude, homeboy, and bro. Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.
"Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful"
1. Is the word "nigga" predominantly used by:
a) Young African-Americans
b) Conservative MPs
You forgot this bit too:
"Non-rhotic English-speakers, such as speakers of many British dialects and African American Vernacular English, pronounce "nigger" and "nigga" identically and do not distinguish between the two words."0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/08/german-industry-warns-uk-over-brexit
Brexiters last hope dashed!0 -
Yo Nigga!Stereotomy said:
Is this the first time you've encountered the idea of homonyms? Do you think "rein", "reign" and "rain" are the same word? Or are you struggling with answering question 2 on the quiz? You're allowed to use wikipedia to find out the answers by the way, (consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_in_the_woodpile and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga_in_the_woodpile as starting points)Sunil_Prasannan said:
My nigga!Stereotomy said:
Okay, let's do a quick quiz.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this bit:Stereotomy said:
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some Africider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NiggaStereotomy said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.
"Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful"
1. Is the word "nigga" predominantly used by:
a) Young African-Americans
b) Conservative MPs
You forgot this bit too:
"Non-rhotic English-speakers, such as speakers of many British dialects and African American Vernacular English, pronounce "nigger" and "nigga" identically and do not distinguish between the two words."
Let's try dis again, shall we?
"Non-rhotic English-speakers, such as speakers of many British dialects and African American Vernacular English, pronounce "nigger" and "nigga" identically and do not distinguish between the two words."
What dey iz tryin' to say iz:
a) Most British people do not distinguish between the two words.
b) African Americans do not distinguish between the two words.
Which category are you?0 -
Oh no - OGH has said he's going to run 'Theresa May is Rubbish' threads until she stands down - so two years or so...Benpointer said:
Just looking at recent PB threads shows how relentlessly bad the news has become for the Cons across a range of issues. This surely can't continue for much longer - can it?0 -
It really is time to get rid of the Outrage Bus.
This isn't a resigning matter. It was an outdated turn of phrase that really was not that offensive in the context it was used.
The Language and Thought police are getting too much of a grip on public life and it has to stop.
It is very easy to make noise about this sort of slip of the tongue to divert attention from the real issues going on within the other parties. Both Labour and the LibDems have issues with antisemitism in their ranks - issues that they have been slow to deal with in any meaningful way. So they can use this to point at the Nasty Tories - when, in reality, every party has people who say things they shouldn't.
Diane Abbott has been far more racist in her choice of language than Morris was today. But the Outrage Bus doesn't stop in Hackney apparently.
Should Morris have chosen a different turn of phrase? Absolutely. Should she resign as a result? Absolutely not.
(This has all been made more interesting as one of my housemates is her former step-daughter...)0 -
Ahem:surbiton said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/08/german-industry-warns-uk-over-brexit
Brexiters last hope dashed!
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1675104/#Comment_1675104"
"Quite probably. Also, we shouldn't expect German car manufacturers to come riding to the rescue. While they might make a few noises about the need for free trade with the UK, German companies are well-known for their ability to take a long-term view. For them, the survival of the EU as a whole is ultimately of greater importance than the loss of some trade with the UK."
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MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There is a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.0 -
Turnbull is facing a lot of challenges on his right from Pauline Hanson, the new Conservative party and his old adversary former PM Tony Abbott.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There is a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.
Lucky for the Liberals the Aussies use AV.
Abbott is in favour of the free trade freedom of movement Canzuk proposal between the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. More than 80 per cent of Kiwis polled and more than 70 per cent of Aussies and Canucks want freedom of movement with the UK.
Never going to happen - but it would be nice to go back to the pre 1973 days when any Brit could just up sticks and move down under!
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This is the kind of thing, though, that makes me pleased we don't have "Recalls" for MPs.Richard_Tyndall said:
Neither expulsion nor deselection would result on a by election. MPs are elected as individuals not as party representatives and being expelled from a party does not change the fact she is an MP until she stands down or until the next GE.619 said:I think Morris needs to be expelled really. its a horrendous thing to say, i cant understand how you can say it by accident (and the video makes it clear she wasnt instantly horrified, so i dont buy she didnt mean to say it) and her 'apology' was horrendous.
She needs to be expelled and deselected. If it means a byelection, so be it. She can run as an indpendent if she wants.
The fact Cash and Redwood seem Aok with what she said, seems to show that certain parts of the Tory party arent bothered with that sort of racist language.
She said a stupid thing. She then gave a non-apology.
But I see no evidence she's guilty of anything other than using a phrase she shouldn't have. If she'd referred to - say - Kwasi Kwarteng as a "nigger", then I'd have a different view. This? Pah.0 -
Malcolm Turbunll: the lawyer who took on the British government in the Spycatcher trial, who went on to make hundreds of millions as an entrepreneur, ran Goldman Sachs in Australia, and then went into politics... He's a smart cookie and a survivor.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There is a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.0 -
Absolutely incrediable that an MP thought it was in anyway acceptable to use that word in modern day politics. Glad that May acted quickly to suspend this MP, but I would go further and put the local Conservative association on notice that they will have to select another candidate to fight the seat in any future election.0
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Trumpton.
Trump Junior is currently being given rope to hang himself. Make a statement, then more leaks counter that statement. They have him on record because they were tracking that Russian cut out.
This is going to continue because there is literally masses of this stuff. Its not just one mini Trump, they aware of one of his siblings being in the murky stuff too.
One of Trump's inner circle has already acknowledged to associates that this is likely going to end up with people being locked up.
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A friend of mine was at Wharton with DTjr. He does not have a high opinion of his intelligence.Y0kel said:Trumpton.
Trump Junior is currently being given rope to hang himself. Make a statement, then more leaks counter that statement. They have him on record because they were tracking that Russian cut out.
This is going to continue because there is literally masses of this stuff. Its not just one mini Trump, they aware of one of his siblings being in the murky stuff too.
One of Trump's inner circle has already acknowledged to associates that this is likely going to end up with people being locked up.0 -
He's now been behind the ALP in the fornightly 2PP Newspoll 14 times in a row. Abbott got hoofed when he got to 20 in a row and Gillard at 22. His CV is not going to save him unless he can move the polls.rcs1000 said:
Malcolm Turbunll: the lawyer who took on the British government in the Spycatcher trial, who went on to make hundreds of millions as an entrepreneur, ran Goldman Sachs in Australia, and then went into politics... He's a smart cookie and a survivor.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There is a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.0 -
The return of the Mad Monk would be better for what's left of the UK post-Brexit as he is an anglophile and staunch monarchist.Dura_Ace said:
He's now been behind the ALP in the fornightly 2PP Newspoll 14 times in a row. Abbott got hoofed when he got to 20 in a row and Gillard at 22. His CV is not going to save him unless he can move the polls.rcs1000 said:
Malcolm Turbunll: the lawyer who took on the British government in the Spycatcher trial, who went on to make hundreds of millions as an entrepreneur, ran Goldman Sachs in Australia, and then went into politics... He's a smart cookie and a survivor.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There is a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.0 -
I live in Australia. He is absolutely hopeless and will 100% lose the next election, if he lasts that long.
He is the classic example of all that is wrong in modern politics. He doesn't believe in anything, other than the fact that he is smarter than everyone else. He spent his whole life trying to become PM, knifing an elected Liberal leader to get in, and then had no real idea what he wanted to do when he got there - sound familiar? The main reason he became leader is, you guessed it, he looked good on TV.
He promised a 'open conversation with the voters' - then realised that all reform is potentially unpopular so ditched absolutely everything and tried to succour favour with Labor voters by copying their policies. He has just committed billions to school funding (a Labor policy) and received zero credit from the voters.
The lesson, which needs to be heard loud and clear by the Tory party, is that if you espouse Labour policies, people will not support you, they simply become more inclined to vote for the real thing.rcs1000 said:
Malcolm Turbunll: the lawyer who took on the British government in the Spycatcher trial, who went on to make hundreds of millions as an entrepreneur, ran Goldman Sachs in Australia, and then went into politics... He's a smart cookie and a survivor.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There is a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.0 -
Yep.Y0kel said:Trumpton.
Trump Junior is currently being given rope to hang himself. Make a statement, then more leaks counter that statement. They have him on record because they were tracking that Russian cut out.
This is going to continue because there is literally masses of this stuff. Its not just one mini Trump, they aware of one of his siblings being in the murky stuff too.
One of Trump's inner circle has already acknowledged to associates that this is likely going to end up with people being locked up.
Still feels to me though that it will need a Democratic Congress to actually impeach.
A few republicans might break the party line but not many.
My money is on 2019.0 -
The view from the SMH:archer101au said:I live in Australia. He is absolutely hopeless and will 100% lose the next election, if he lasts that long.
rcs1000 said:
Malcolm Turbunll: the lawyer who took on the British government in the Spycatcher trial, who went on to make hundreds of millions as an entrepreneur, ran Goldman Sachs in Australia, and then went into politics... He's a smart cookie and a survivor.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There i a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.
Turnbull would do well, as would May, to reflect on the lessons offered by Germany and France's leaders.
Though I think Macron is far from 'case proven'...
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/malcolm-turnbull-stumbles-back-towards-the-middle--but-is-it-too-late-20170710-gx8iyk.html0 -
Good morning.
Macron is getting a lot of flack on Twitter (again) for comments he made about Africa. First I saw was a video clip, though it turns out that was edited.
This is the full quote:
https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/884490993319464963
Personally, I don't see what's so awful about what he's just said there. On my timeline last night, I saw my Corbynista friends calling Macron a racist for this....yet they were silent when it came to anti-Semitism in Labour party *rolleyes*.
https://twitter.com/jkirchick/status/8845345954667847700 -
When words sound the same (homonyms), they tend to be distinguished by the context in which they are used.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yo Nigga!Stereotomy said:
Is this the first time you've encountered the idea of homonyms? Do you think "rein", "reign" and "rain" are the same word? Or are you struggling with answering question 2 on the quiz? You're allowed to use wikipedia to find out the answers by the way, (consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_in_the_woodpile and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga_in_the_woodpile as starting points)Sunil_Prasannan said:
My nigga!Stereotomy said:
Okay, let's do a quick quiz.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You missed this bit:Stereotomy said:
Is Ann Marie Morris African-American or are you just quoting random text now?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Some Africider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful, enabling white racists to use the word and confusing the issue over nigger.[3]Stereotomy said:
"This article is about the colloquial slang. For the racial slur, see Nigger."Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Nigga (/ˈnɪɡə/) is a colloquial term used in African American Vernacular English that began as an eye dialect form of the word nigger"
Almost as if they're different words.
"Others consider "nigga" non-offensive except when directed from a non-African-American towards an African-American. Yet others have derided this as hypocritical and harmful"
1. Is the word "nigga" predominantly used by:
a) Young African-Americans
b) Conservative MPs
You forgot this bit too:
"Non-rhotic English-speakers, such as speakers of many British dialects and African American Vernacular English, pronounce "nigger" and "nigga" identically and do not distinguish between the two words."
Let's try dis again, shall we?
"Non-rhotic English-speakers, such as speakers of many British dialects and African American Vernacular English, pronounce "nigger" and "nigga" identically and do not distinguish between the two words."
What dey iz tryin' to say iz:
a) Most British people do not distinguish between the two words.
b) African Americans do not distinguish between the two words.
Which category are you?
The ability to do this between said two words in the phrase chosen is unambiguous. As has been repeatedly pointed out to you in this thread.
Why are you having difficulty accepting this?0 -
The SMH is a Labor rag through and through. They spend their whole time trying to get the Liberals to behave like Labor, and when they do they tell everyone to vote Labor.
You are so lucky you live in the Uk for politics (not lifestyle). It is utterly dire here. The 'centre left' Labor party are way to the left of Corbyn and the 'centre-right' Liberals are pretty much LibDems. The Unions overtly control the Labor party. A Labor party staffed 'commission' set wages and conditions for huge chunks of the economy with employers getting no say at all. The Liberals accept this because it is 'popular'. Every election consists of both party leaders promising to spend as much (borrowed) money as possible, and it has to always be financed by taxes on the 'wealthy'.
The result - an economy entirely built on mining and foreign money pumping up asset prices, a massive housing price bubble, terrible productivity and virtually no exports other than raw materials. Almost every industry sector is a duopoly, constantly exploring consumers as there is no way for new entrants to break in. Turnbull's great business success was building an ISP that got bought up by one of the major players and shut down immediately.
If it was not for resources and agriculture, Australia would be a third world country.CarlottaVance said:
The view from the SMH:archer101au said:I live in Australia. He is absolutely hopeless and will 100% lose the next election, if he lasts that long.
rcs1000 said:
Malcolm Turbunll: the lawyer who took on the British government in the Spycatcher trial, who went on to make hundreds of millions as an entrepreneur, ran Goldman Sachs in Australia, and then went into politics... He's a smart cookie and a survivor.Dura_Ace said:
MT probably isn't going to be PM much longer though... There i a "spill" coming.rcs1000 said:
Australia and New Zealand should be easy wins: their economies area almost entirely complementary to ours. The only downside is that they are both relatively far away from us, and relatively small.GIN1138 said:Aussies are ready to go with a free trade deal as soon as we leave the EU;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yScCCKrGs
Still, the cheers for cheaper Penfolds.
Turnbull would do well, as would May, to reflect on the lessons offered by Germany and France's leaders.
Though I think Macron is far from 'case proven'...
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/malcolm-turnbull-stumbles-back-towards-the-middle--but-is-it-too-late-20170710-gx8iyk.html0 -
For me, the main problem with what this MP said is not even that she used the "n-word". It's that she was treating a horrible and shameful period of history as something to make light of.
To me it's the equivalent of that horrible expression that kids use "sweating like a Jew in a shower" -- that expression might not explicitly use an anti-semitic slur, but the offensive part is that it's making light of something disgusting.0
