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FTPBeverley_C said:
Easy enough online ....logical_song said:
I don't know how CornishJohn manages to keep a straight face.Beverley_C said:
Ghana? A trade deal with Ghana is going to make up for Brexit?CornishJohn said:
A trade deal with Ghana would be excellent. That county has made a number of very positive reforms over the last decade, and could be an example to the African continent in what can be achieved with the right governance. We should certainly support that by being the first Western country to genuinely deliver trade justice to African economies, at least the ones moving in the right direction. Achieving free access to a major Western economy would be highly beneficial for them and could be the 21st Century's answer to the 1807 Slave Trade Act. Where we start, may others follow.Stark_Dawning said:
The Ghana deal was the jewel in the crown of post-Brexit settlements. Bicycles made of bamboo on the streets of London was one of the many advantages hailed by Boris:Roger said:
Why Ghana? I don't think he's running a medical missionStark_Dawning said:
Yes, the appointment of Liam was an odd one. With his smouldering good looks and pop-babe past, I can only think that Theresa's intention was to add a bit of sexiness to the Brexit proceedings. Perhaps having the glamorous doctor in place, gallivanting around the globe securing his trade deals with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ghana, was considered Brexit's answer to Poldark.Roger said:A thought.
Could it be that May is bluffing; pretending to be BREXY while trying to make it fail?
Take the strange case of of Dr Liam Fox.
Would you give a GP with his history the tricky job of TRADE MINISTER if you actually wanted it to succeed?
......Liam Fox who lost his job for taking a chum on official trips for the FOREIGN office?
.......Liam Fox whose expenses overclaim was the largest in the Shadw Cabinet? Isn't this rather like giving a FOX the key to the hen-house?
Brexit is one scandal away from collapse. Perhaps she's smarter than she looks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Fox
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/UK-to-push-for-free-trade-deal-with-Ghana-510661
Seriously? Ghana?
Next week, a trade deal with Kiribati will be announced which will be the first step in ensuring that the Sun Never Sets on The British Empire (Mk.2)0 -
The last year was a horrible nightmare, I've woken up and Dave is still Prime Minister.
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/8822112180476067850 -
There is so much manoeuvring going on they must bump into each other all the time.0
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Just imagine if the moderator makes an unfortunate slip of the tongue in a Leader's Debate on prime-time TV.0
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I know usually it's all about personal advancement but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that some of these maneuvers are actually intended to get policy outcomes that the ministers believe in. They do factory visits and talk to people all the time, especially employers; They can't be oblivious to the fact that their government is blundering into trashing its most promising industries and throwing a bunch of the people they've talked to out of their jobs.0
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TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.0 -
Is TSE a spoof writer?
Jeremy Hunt is such a piece of obvious trolling that it gives the game away.
Unless of course it's a ploy to make George Osborne appear vaguely palatable.0 -
The Tory grassroots aren't going to vote for anyone who is perceived to have sabotaged Brexit.
Things like this don't help.0 -
Where did that TSE quote come from?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.0 -
You really were born yesterday if you think that was anything other than a piece of intentional wankerdom. Do you find you have to take extra care saying the words front or punt, or any of the half dozen words of the form [consonant]uck? Have you ever heard a similar mistake made by anybody?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.0 -
Going to the Test at Lords on Friday, and have bought Jonny Bairstow player performance at 111. I am normally a big seller of player performances as the value is in the sell price, but Bairstow averages 143 when he has the gloves, lowest make up of 50.
Incidentally two of the future superstars of English sport are both named Mason.
Mason Crane the leg spinner and Mason Mount the midfielder.
You heard it here first!0 -
TBF to Mr Hunt - I think he probably does a better job than his detractors would have you believe, but being saddled with the NHS brief is a bit like nuclear fuel - it can have great benefits but you do not want any of it to stick to you and if you hang around it long enough then you are doomed.edmundintokyo said:I know usually it's all about personal advancement but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that some of these maneuvers are actually intended to get policy outcomes that the ministers believe in. They do factory visits and talk to people all the time, especially employers; They can't be oblivious to the fact that their government is blundering into trashing its most promising industries and throwing a bunch of the people they've talked to out of their jobs.
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Osborne cannot ever come back into politics.JennyFreeman said:Is TSE a spoof writer?
Jeremy Hunt is such a piece of obvious trolling that it gives the game away.
Unless of course it's a ploy to make George Osborne appear vaguely palatable.0 -
Yes, I think that is very likely to be what is happening here. Avoiding disruption in the pharmaceuticals market and in NHS staffing is very much in Jeremy Hunt's remit.edmundintokyo said:I know usually it's all about personal advancement but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that some of these maneuvers are actually intended to get policy outcomes that the ministers believe in. They do factory visits and talk to people all the time, especially employers; They can't be oblivious to the fact that their government is blundering into trashing its most promising industries and throwing a bunch of the people they've talked to out of their jobs.
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From the thread header.GeoffM said:
Where did that TSE quote come from?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.0 -
Sorry - I forgot the need to be blatantly clear on PB.... "Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with supposed slips-of-the-tongue excuses and PM Jeremy C*nt?"Ishmael_Z said:
You really were born yesterday if you think that was anything other than a piece of intentional wankerdom. Do you find you have to take extra care saying the words front or punt, or any of the half dozen words of the form [consonant]uck? Have you ever heard a similar mistake made by anybody?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.
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I would like to think so. But wouldn't it be better in that case for Jeremy Hunt simply to go out and tell the media that we are in severe risk of trashing our industries unless we do something about it? Rather than get himself pretend snapped with a supposedly compromising document. The point is, the candid shot is not just intentional, Mr Hunt wants us to believe it's intentional.edmundintokyo said:I know usually it's all about personal advancement but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that some of these maneuvers are actually intended to get policy outcomes that the ministers believe in. They do factory visits and talk to people all the time, especially employers; They can't be oblivious to the fact that their government is blundering into trashing its most promising industries and throwing a bunch of the people they've talked to out of their jobs.
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From the opening piece. He also said there "The other observation of the wider cabinet is that Mrs May’s authority is weakened to such an extent that her ministers can go rogue so publicly, especially into the areas that aren’t part of their portfolios, such as ministers intervening on Treasury matters, I really can’t see her lasting much longer if this continues."GeoffM said:
Where did that TSE quote come from?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.
So it`s not all bad news.
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Jeremy's Fuzzy Duck Hunt.0
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On the policy topic at hand, the proposed suggestion at the end of the FT article seems to make a lot of sense. The EU drugs agency can do the research and make the recommendation, and then the UK government can block it if it has strong reasons to. That seems to be consistent with having a collaborative approach, while maintaining UK sovereignty.0
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Yes, if you think the world contains people twattish enough to do the same thing again. Which it probably does.Beverley_C said:
Sorry - I forgot the need to be blatantly clear on PB.... "Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with supposed slips-of-the-tongue excuses and PM Jeremy C*nt?"Ishmael_Z said:
You really were born yesterday if you think that was anything other than a piece of intentional wankerdom. Do you find you have to take extra care saying the words front or punt, or any of the half dozen words of the form [consonant]uck? Have you ever heard a similar mistake made by anybody?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.
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Jeremy Hunt did hold the door open for me at CCHQ when I was calling during the election but unfortunately he comes across as a bit slimy. If you wanted someone with charisma and electability you would go for Boris, if you wanted someone with gravitas and experience who can deal with the EU you would go for Davis or Hammond. This is more pressing the case for his department than leadership bid I think0
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It would be entertaining to have Hunt as PM if only for the battle of Jeremy vs Jeremy. Have the PM and LOTO ever shared the same first name?0
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Major / Smith for onenot_on_fire said:It would be entertaining to have Hunt as PM if only for the battle of Jeremy vs Jeremy. Have the PM and LOTO ever shared the same first name?
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Kinda.not_on_fire said:It would be entertaining to have Hunt as PM if only for the battle of Jeremy vs Jeremy. Have the PM and LOTO ever shared the same first name?
Maurice Harold MacMillan and James Harold Wilson
Edit - Oops TP is right, John Major and John Smith.0 -
Of course it does. I know several very-strongly-Labour people who only call him by the profanity. They think it is clever rather than childish and puerile and it diminishes them rather than Mr Hunt.Ishmael_Z said:
Yes, if you think the world contains people twattish enough to do the same thing again. Which it probably does.Beverley_C said:
Sorry - I forgot the need to be blatantly clear on PB.... "Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with supposed slips-of-the-tongue excuses and PM Jeremy C*nt?"Ishmael_Z said:
You really were born yesterday if you think that was anything other than a piece of intentional wankerdom. Do you find you have to take extra care saying the words front or punt, or any of the half dozen words of the form [consonant]uck? Have you ever heard a similar mistake made by anybody?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.
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Ahhhhhh the old briefing notes on display wheeze. Sources close to someone will have something to say about that!
Gove, Hunt, Osborne. I can't see any way the Tories could be seen as less caring unless they elected Bill Cash as leader. With Redwood as chief vampire.0 -
I agree. You can make such points without the hyperbole about people 'fleeing', etc. It's clearly important to maintain the flow of talent to our NHS, although this just requires the right visa setup in our immigration system. Perhaps we should have a more streamlined 'medical visa' for doctors and nurses, not just from the EU but from places like India and the Philippines. Medical staff are clearly high skilled and the nature of the NHS means they will inevitably have hourly interactions with the public so become integrated with all communities very quickly.RoyalBlue said:The Tory grassroots aren't going to vote for anyone who is perceived to have sabotaged Brexit.
Things like this don't help.0 -
Dunno, It's hard to read all the little strategic moves and counter-moves without knowing what the internal conversations are.FF43 said:
I would like to think so. But wouldn't it be better in that case for Jeremy Hunt simply to go out and tell the media that we are in severe risk of trashing our industries unless we do something about it? Rather than get himself pretend snapped with a supposedly compromising document. The point is, the candid shot is not just intentional, Mr Hunt wants us to believe it's intentional.edmundintokyo said:I know usually it's all about personal advancement but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that some of these maneuvers are actually intended to get policy outcomes that the ministers believe in. They do factory visits and talk to people all the time, especially employers; They can't be oblivious to the fact that their government is blundering into trashing its most promising industries and throwing a bunch of the people they've talked to out of their jobs.
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Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.0
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Still my favourite political quiz question.
How many Labour leaders have had the first name James?0 -
On-topic, I've put a tiny sum on, although only at 51.0
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FiguresBeverley_C said:
Of course it does. I know several very-strongly-Labour people who only call him by the profanity. They think it is clever rather than childish and puerile and it diminishes them rather than Mr Hunt.Ishmael_Z said:
Yes, if you think the world contains people twattish enough to do the same thing again. Which it probably does.Beverley_C said:
Sorry - I forgot the need to be blatantly clear on PB.... "Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with supposed slips-of-the-tongue excuses and PM Jeremy C*nt?"Ishmael_Z said:
You really were born yesterday if you think that was anything other than a piece of intentional wankerdom. Do you find you have to take extra care saying the words front or punt, or any of the half dozen words of the form [consonant]uck? Have you ever heard a similar mistake made by anybody?Beverley_C said:TSE said: "Several PB’s most esteemed gamblers think Jeremy Hunt’s legacy from his so far near five year stint as Health Secretary is a bar to him becoming Prime Minister and I agree to them to an extent, however at 100/1 he represents the potential for a good trading bet at least."
Yes indeed. He is too toxic for the top job. Can you imagine the field day the Press would have with slips-of-the-tongue and PM Jeremy C*nt?
It is bad enough having the stain of Brexit on our country without adding another hostage to fortune.
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Wislon, Callaghan, Brown. Are there others?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.
edit: bugger, quoted wrong post. Was replying to TSE re Labour leaders called James...0 -
Four, not including the one you think?TheScreamingEagles said:Still my favourite political quiz question.
How many Labour leaders have had the first name James?
(not edited, honest).
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MacDonaldAlice_Aforethought said:
Wislon, Callaghan, Brown. Are there others?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.
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Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.Alice_Aforethought said:
Wislon, Callaghan, Brown. Are there others?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.
edit: bugger, quoted wrong post. Was replying to TSE re Labour leaders called James...
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.0 -
Harold Wilson, Ramsey MacDonald, Gordon Brown all had first names of James, I believe; I don't think Jim Callaghan did (Leonard, IIRC)Alice_Aforethought said:
Wislon, Callaghan, Brown. Are there others?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.
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Not Callaghan. Keir Hardie, Ramsay Macdonald, H Wilson, Gordon Brown.dyedwoolie said:
MacDonaldAlice_Aforethought said:
Wislon, Callaghan, Brown. Are there others?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.
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Yup, you forget James Keir Hardie.Andy_Cooke said:
Harold Wilson, Ramsey MacDonald, Gordon Brown all had first names of James, I believe; I don't think Jim Callaghan did (Leonard, IIRC)Alice_Aforethought said:
Wislon, Callaghan, Brown. Are there others?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fire, we came within a whisker of having an election with party leaders called Gordon and Ming. The odds on that must be colossal.
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So, why have Labour leaders been so ashamed of the name James?TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.0 -
I think you are right. There is a similar issue in Switzerland, which may be closer to the mark. Because Switzerland, which has an important pharmaceuticals industry, is not part of the EU drugs certification scheme, all testing and certification has to be done in the EU. As that's a large part of a drug company's work, it's easier to base operations in the EU. Switzerland would like to bring themselves into the EU certification scheme through a bilateral agreement but the Swiss and the EU aren't talking to each other at the moment.CornishJohn said:On the policy topic at hand, the proposed suggestion at the end of the FT article seems to make a lot of sense. The EU drugs agency can do the research and make the recommendation, and then the UK government can block it if it has strong reasons to. That seems to be consistent with having a collaborative approach, while maintaining UK sovereignty.
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They hate the Jacobites, clearlyRichard_Nabavi said:
So, why have Labour leaders been so ashamed of the name James?TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.0 -
Look at Hunt in that picture. He looks so pleased with himself for his wizard wheeze.
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Well three of those four were Scottish.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, why have Labour leaders been so ashamed of the name James?TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.0 -
Brown is obvious. Would give away he's a sex machine. Ramsay clearly foresaw he'd later be jailed for murder in Coronation Street.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, why have Labour leaders been so ashamed of the name James?TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.
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FPT;
Urgh.calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
In bold:
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
Watching Juncker going postal this morning I bet he's been on the sauce since. Wobbly scenes chez Jean Claude0
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No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
In what way does that help the UK?CornishJohn said:On the policy topic at hand, the proposed suggestion at the end of the FT article seems to make a lot of sense. The EU drugs agency can do the research and make the recommendation, and then the UK government can block it if it has strong reasons to. That seems to be consistent with having a collaborative approach, while maintaining UK sovereignty.
We can deny UK patients access to drugs they could get in the EU? Great.
The flipside was discussed yesterday. No UK manufactured drugs can be sold in the EU.
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Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment. Still it's only a short time since no blacks or Irish was de riguer, why not stigmatise the poor instead.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
Almost all the rental properties I have ever looked at have said that.Pong said:FPT;
Urgh.calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
In bold:
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
They hate Jacobite names ....Richard_Nabavi said:
So, why have Labour leaders been so ashamed of the name James?TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.
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Guaranteed for the applicant or guaranteed for the landlord? The two are not the same thing.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
Just noted ..dyedwoolie said:
They hate the Jacobites, clearlyRichard_Nabavi said:
So, why have Labour leaders been so ashamed of the name James?TheScreamingEagles said:Nope, not James Callaghan is not one of the Labour leaders with the first name James.
The list is
Keir Hardie, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Wilson, and Gordon Brown.0 -
Yeah it is but those of us unfortunate enough to be on benefits are filthy unwashed scumbags and should be corralled into flea pits. It's the right thing to do.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
From a 2010 government report:Pulpstar said:Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?
Almost half (47 per cent) of all landlords were happy to rent to tenants on Housing Benefit (HB) or the Local Housing Allowance (LHA), with a further 21 per cent saying they would be encouraged to do so if payments were not made direct to the tenant.
Reasons given by those who weren't willing to accept housing benefit tenants were disturbances or anti-social behaviour (19%), expected payment delays (17%), unpaid rent (16%) and damage (16%).
Contrary to the views of some, it's generally not landlords who are the villains. Tenants can be bloody awful.
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Wages aren't guaranteed for landlords either tbfPhilip_Thompson said:
Guaranteed for the applicant or guaranteed for the landlord? The two are not the same thing.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.
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100/1? I wouldnt take 10,000/1 Even George Osborne is less toxic than Hunt. I can't really forsee a circumstance where he would win round enough MPs or Tory members to come close.
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Mr. Brom, if the choice were Boris, Gove or Hunt, I could see Hacker winning.0
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Payments by councils direct to landlords are notoriously bureaucratic and often many months late. You can't blame landlords for not wanting the hassle.dyedwoolie said:Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment.
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When provision of social housing is so poor then I'd back making discrimination solely based on welfare status illegal. It doesn't say, for example, no pensioners.Richard_Nabavi said:
Payments by councils direct to landlords are notoriously bureaucratic and often many months late. You can't blame landlords for not wanting the hassle.dyedwoolie said:Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment.
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Is Hunt auditioning for a job as one of those guy with the "GOLF SALE THIS WAY ->" signs?0
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He's practising being an anteater.FrancisUrquhart said:Is Hunt auditioning for a job as one of those guy with the "GOLF SALE THIS WAY ->" signs?
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Maybe that's because as a general rule pensioners pay the rent and don't trash the place? Just a thought.dyedwoolie said:
When provision of social housing is so poor then I'd back making discrimination solely based on welfare status illegal. It doesn't say, for example, no pensioners.Richard_Nabavi said:
Payments by councils direct to landlords are notoriously bureaucratic and often many months late. You can't blame landlords for not wanting the hassle.dyedwoolie said:Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment.
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That, or he's campaigning in the leprechaun community again.AlastairMeeks said:
He's practising being an anteater.FrancisUrquhart said:Is Hunt auditioning for a job as one of those guy with the "GOLF SALE THIS WAY ->" signs?
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We need Tracey Crouch to propose banning all teams in red....
Should get her the profile she needs.0 -
Now, I voted to remain but people saying Cummings has U-turned on his Brexit position either have the intellectual capability of a gnat, or are appealing to those that do so.
In many universes driving home for me this evening would have been better avoided with the future car crash I'll have. But that will have no bearing on whether or not I choose to do so. If we THINK about what Cummings is saying, he is also pointing out that remaining will have been an error in some future universes.
I fear the point is lost on his critics though, his blog and twitter feed are exceptional in their intelligence I find.0 -
It's only paid direct to the landlord when it's already 8 weeks in arrears. Otherwise the tenant gets it, can spend it and if evicted for non-payment gets rehoused to do it all again.dyedwoolie said:
Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment. Still it's only a short time since no blacks or Irish was de riguer, why not stigmatise the poor instead.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
Yes, he's saying some interesting things.Pulpstar said:Now, I voted to remain but people saying Cummings has U-turned on his Brexit position either have the intellectual capability of a gnat, or are appealing to those that do so.
In many universes driving home for me this evening would have been better avoided with the future car crash I'll have. But that will have no bearing on whether or not I choose to do so. If we THINK about what Cummings is saying, he is also pointing out that remaining will have been an error in some future universes.
I fear the point is lost on his critics though, his blog and twitter feed are exceptional in their intelligence I find.0 -
Said nobody anywhere ever.dyedwoolie said:
Yeah it is but those of us unfortunate enough to be on benefits are filthy unwashed scumbags and should be corralled into flea pits. It's the right thing to do.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Maybe that's because as a general rule pensioners pay the rent and don't trash the place? Just a thought.dyedwoolie said:
When provision of social housing is so poor then I'd back making discrimination solely based on welfare status illegal. It doesn't say, for example, no pensioners.Richard_Nabavi said:
Payments by councils direct to landlords are notoriously bureaucratic and often many months late. You can't blame landlords for not wanting the hassle.dyedwoolie said:Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment.
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I'd be surprised to see Gove AND Boris try again. Hopefully just the one of them next time. There is bound to be a relative unknown backbencher throwing their hat into the ring next time, I expect the shock of Brexit caught many off guard last time but no doubt everyone will be ready next time. Boris would be on dodgy ground but with Hunt in charge the Tories might as well just hand Labour power rather than bothering to hold an election.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brom, if the choice were Boris, Gove or Hunt, I could see Hacker winning.
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And most recipients spend it on their rent.Alice_Aforethought said:
It's only paid direct to the landlord when it's already 8 weeks in arrears. Otherwise the tenant gets it, can spend it and if evicted for non-payment gets rehoused to do it all again.dyedwoolie said:
Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment. Still it's only a short time since no blacks or Irish was de riguer, why not stigmatise the poor instead.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
F1: Kubica to test again for Renault.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40492882
Edited extra bit: anyway, time to be off.0 -
So landlords are deliberately depriving themselves of good tenants? Well, it's a thought.dyedwoolie said:As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.
In the real world, landlords can only go on experience and risk. That means some people get unfairly treated, but, rather than lambasting landlords who just want their property to be respected and their rent paid, shouldn't you turn your anger on those who wreck things for you? People like this tenant for example:
I'm a landlord who felt sorry for the a girl on DSS after stating no DSS and it was the biggest mistake of my life, not only has she since sold the whole flat's worth of furniture (and because she is on DSS, Ive been told I'll be lucky to get a £1 a week from her to repay the cost of a whole flat of furniture, including a tv, sofa, two double beds, wardrobes and I could go on) not only that but now she isn't paying her rent and its a complete nightmare to get her out as the council and dss advise her not to move until bailiffs are at the door. This is the reason we don't want to rent to DSS. Its the council's fault they not only take an age to even reply to any correspondent, the people who do this are completely rude and unhelpful. In 7 years of renting my flat this is just a horrific experience and I for one will never ever even consider DSS again
It's from this quite interesting set of comments on both sides:
https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/house-garden-194/money-finance-entitlements-267/521315-private-renting-when-housing-benefit-help-all.html
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Hmm, it mostly looks like self-exculpatory guff to me, to be honest.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, he's saying some interesting things.Pulpstar said:Now, I voted to remain but people saying Cummings has U-turned on his Brexit position either have the intellectual capability of a gnat, or are appealing to those that do so.
In many universes driving home for me this evening would have been better avoided with the future car crash I'll have. But that will have no bearing on whether or not I choose to do so. If we THINK about what Cummings is saying, he is also pointing out that remaining will have been an error in some future universes.
I fear the point is lost on his critics though, his blog and twitter feed are exceptional in their intelligence I find.0 -
Such views don't tend to be voiced. They crystallize in the minds of the I'm alright Jack majority. Egged on by programmes like benefits street.Alice_Aforethought said:
Said nobody anywhere ever.dyedwoolie said:
Yeah it is but those of us unfortunate enough to be on benefits are filthy unwashed scumbags and should be corralled into flea pits. It's the right thing to do.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.0 -
Landlords are charged more for insurance if they let to DSS and their mortgage lender may also forbid it. Local authorities also encourage defaulting tenants to make their landlord evict them.dyedwoolie said:
As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Maybe that's because as a general rule pensioners pay the rent and don't trash the place? Just a thought.dyedwoolie said:
When provision of social housing is so poor then I'd back making discrimination solely based on welfare status illegal. It doesn't say, for example, no pensioners.Richard_Nabavi said:
Payments by councils direct to landlords are notoriously bureaucratic and often many months late. You can't blame landlords for not wanting the hassle.dyedwoolie said:Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment.
For some reason, insurers, lenders and landlords tend to base their commercial decisions on their actual real world experience, rather than on the right-on prejudices of somebody off the internet.0 -
Possibly, but interesting self-exculpatory guff.AlastairMeeks said:
Hmm, it mostly looks like self-exculpatory guff to me, to be honest.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, he's saying some interesting things.Pulpstar said:Now, I voted to remain but people saying Cummings has U-turned on his Brexit position either have the intellectual capability of a gnat, or are appealing to those that do so.
In many universes driving home for me this evening would have been better avoided with the future car crash I'll have. But that will have no bearing on whether or not I choose to do so. If we THINK about what Cummings is saying, he is also pointing out that remaining will have been an error in some future universes.
I fear the point is lost on his critics though, his blog and twitter feed are exceptional in their intelligence I find.0 -
I rent out a property and do NOT have this restriction when I advertise (indeed, I had an excellent housing benefit tenant for several years).Pong said:FPT;
Urgh.calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
In bold:
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"
Some landlords really are sh*ts.
However, there are several good reasons why some private landlords restrict it that don't equate to their being "sh*ts":
1. Some insurance policies and a few mortgages just don't allow it (or charge a big premium).
2. Councils can be a pain in relation to paying on time.
3. If the tenant loses benefits - perhaps due to a rule change of which there are many - they are relatively unlikely to have funds to pay the next month's rent. People who are not on benefits can also run into financial problems of course, but tend to have some savings and some notice of likely changes in income such that it's less likely to be an issue for their landlord.
And no doubt some are also just plain prejudiced... but that isn't a given.0 -
I find his writings unreadable but his twitter feed at least suggests there are possible outcomes where Leave would turn out to be a mistake. The mistake would be one of process rather than principle. His implication, I think, is, don't mess up - the project's at risk.Pulpstar said:Now, I voted to remain but people saying Cummings has U-turned on his Brexit position either have the intellectual capability of a gnat, or are appealing to those that do so.
In many universes driving home for me this evening would have been better avoided with the future car crash I'll have. But that will have no bearing on whether or not I choose to do so. If we THINK about what Cummings is saying, he is also pointing out that remaining will have been an error in some future universes.
I fear the point is lost on his critics though, his blog and twitter feed are exceptional in their intelligence I find.0 -
Right, so we have your personal confidence that you know what's in other people's minds.dyedwoolie said:
Such views don't tend to be voiced. They crystallize in the minds of the I'm alright Jack majority. Egged on by programmes like benefits street.Alice_Aforethought said:
Said nobody anywhere ever.dyedwoolie said:
Yeah it is but those of us unfortunate enough to be on benefits are filthy unwashed scumbags and should be corralled into flea pits. It's the right thing to do.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.
With that edge you must be very prosperous and successful in life, I'd guess?0 -
No, anger should be directed at the paucity of social housing. Whilst the above example is clearly a rat bag, the situation for the majority on low incomes who don't want to take the piss is very poor and there is little help in the private or public sphere. There is simply no appetite amongst those that are not in this position to address the issue, the alright Jacks are alright after all, and, on top of this are only exposed to stories like the above and sensationalized TV programmes.Richard_Nabavi said:
So landlords are deliberately depriving themselves of good tenants? Well, it's a thought.dyedwoolie said:As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.
In the real world, landlords can only go on experience and risk. That means some people get unfairly treated, but, rather than lambasting landlords who just want their property to be respected and their rent paid, shouldn't you turn your anger on those who wreck things for you? People like this tenant for example:
I'm a landlord who felt sorry for the a girl on DSS after stating no DSS and it was the biggest mistake of my life, not only has she since sold the whole flat's worth of furniture (and because she is on DSS, Ive been told I'll be lucky to get a £1 a week from her to repay the cost of a whole flat of furniture, including a tv, sofa, two double beds, wardrobes and I could go on) not only that but now she isn't paying her rent and its a complete nightmare to get her out as the council and dss advise her not to move until bailiffs are at the door. This is the reason we don't want to rent to DSS. Its the council's fault they not only take an age to even reply to any correspondent, the people who do this are completely rude and unhelpful. In 7 years of renting my flat this is just a horrific experience and I for one will never ever even consider DSS again
It's from this quite interesting set of comments on both sides:
https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/house-garden-194/money-finance-entitlements-267/521315-private-renting-when-housing-benefit-help-all.html0 -
On topic, the Conservatives could do an awful lot worse than Jeremy Hunt. He stays focussed on the task at hand and isn't wont to start howling at the moon every time someone mentions the EU. I could imagine him having things that he wanted to do and actually seeing them through to be done.
In practice, the Conservatives almost certainly will do an awful lot worse than Jeremy Hunt.0 -
Until it suits them otherwisedyedwoolie said:
And most recipients spend it on their rent.Alice_Aforethought said:
It's only paid direct to the landlord when it's already 8 weeks in arrears. Otherwise the tenant gets it, can spend it and if evicted for non-payment gets rehoused to do it all again.dyedwoolie said:
Well housing benefit can be paid directly to landlords. Depending on circumstances that can make the tenancy more secure along with payment. Still it's only a short time since no blacks or Irish was de riguer, why not stigmatise the poor instead.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.
https://news.rla.org.uk/nine-in-ten-lha-landlords-have-had-problems-with-rent/
https://www.legalforlandlords.co.uk/almost-90-of-landlords-are-owed-lha-rent/0 -
No but landlords are only acting from legitimate self-interest. If DSS/housing benefit applicants were more likely to pay regularly, on time and in full than those relying upon wages then landlords would prefer them.dyedwoolie said:
Wages aren't guaranteed for landlords either tbfPhilip_Thompson said:
Guaranteed for the applicant or guaranteed for the landlord? The two are not the same thing.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.
Nor trust funds0 -
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Unfortunately most people lack your ability to read the minds of others at will, and therefore would be unable to identify a rat bag from a decent tenant simply through telepathy.dyedwoolie said:
No, anger should be directed at the paucity of social housing. Whilst the above example is clearly a rat bag, the situation for the majority on low incomes who don't want to take the piss is very poor and there is little help in the private or public sphere. There is simply no appetite amongst those that are not in this position to address the issue, the alright Jacks are alright after all, and, on top of this are only exposed to stories like the above and sensationalized TV programmes.Richard_Nabavi said:
So landlords are deliberately depriving themselves of good tenants? Well, it's a thought.dyedwoolie said:As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.
In the real world, landlords can only go on experience and risk. That means some people get unfairly treated, but, rather than lambasting landlords who just want their property to be respected and their rent paid, shouldn't you turn your anger on those who wreck things for you? People like this tenant for example:
I'm a landlord who felt sorry for the a girl on DSS after stating no DSS and it was the biggest mistake of my life, not only has she since sold the whole flat's worth of furniture (and because she is on DSS, Ive been told I'll be lucky to get a £1 a week from her to repay the cost of a whole flat of furniture, including a tv, sofa, two double beds, wardrobes and I could go on) not only that but now she isn't paying her rent and its a complete nightmare to get her out as the council and dss advise her not to move until bailiffs are at the door. This is the reason we don't want to rent to DSS. Its the council's fault they not only take an age to even reply to any correspondent, the people who do this are completely rude and unhelpful. In 7 years of renting my flat this is just a horrific experience and I for one will never ever even consider DSS again
It's from this quite interesting set of comments on both sides:
https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/house-garden-194/money-finance-entitlements-267/521315-private-renting-when-housing-benefit-help-all.html
In the absence of your psychic insights, most landlords understandably go for tenants who experience, references and credti checks suggest are less likely to screw them over. I'm surprised you haven't picked this up from scanning their thoughts.-1 -
Lol. Not at all. The way of things betrays the group think.Alice_Aforethought said:
Right, so we have your personal confidence that you know what's in other people's minds.dyedwoolie said:
Such views don't tend to be voiced. They crystallize in the minds of the I'm alright Jack majority. Egged on by programmes like benefits street.Alice_Aforethought said:
Said nobody anywhere ever.dyedwoolie said:
Yeah it is but those of us unfortunate enough to be on benefits are filthy unwashed scumbags and should be corralled into flea pits. It's the right thing to do.Pulpstar said:
Isn't housing benefit pretty much government guaranteed cash though ?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, they just want their rent paid on time. Wouldn't you?Pong said:FPT;
"No DSS / Housing Benefit Applicants"calum said:
>£2k a monthedmundintokyo said:
That part didn't go well.Alice_Aforethought said:
Well, without wanting to be unduly nasty
You don't know anything about these people or their situations.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-56441398.html
Urgh.
Some landlords really are sh*ts.
With that edge you must be very prosperous and successful in life, I'd guess?
As for me, no I am not prosperous and have no desire to be so. I'm solvent and I pay my bills. As for successful, that rather depends on your definition. I'm laughing like a drain at the moment and content with my lot so I can't complain. But I do. Cos, ya know, pointing out the deficiencies of society is entertaining.0 -
Is Cummings really invoking the Multiverse to say that whatever we do there will be some alternative universe where that would have been a bad or a good idea.Pulpstar said:Now, I voted to remain but people saying Cummings has U-turned on his Brexit position either have the intellectual capability of a gnat, or are appealing to those that do so.
In many universes driving home for me this evening would have been better avoided with the future car crash I'll have. But that will have no bearing on whether or not I choose to do so. If we THINK about what Cummings is saying, he is also pointing out that remaining will have been an error in some future universes.
I fear the point is lost on his critics though, his blog and twitter feed are exceptional in their intelligence I find.
It might be an idea to live in the real universe and the real world. In this one I suspect that we would have been better off without his £350million/week to the NHS promise.0 -
Blimey, Jeremy Corbyn has come up with something sensible:
Corbyn has demanded a two-part inquiry looking first at the specific issues at Grenfell and then a wider examination of national issues. And he also wants transparency and the full involvement of the residents in the process, a source said.
He's also refused to back the shadow fire services minister’s call for Sir Martin Moore-Bick to resign as chair of the inquiry.
Two sensible things from Corbyn in one afternoon? What is going on?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jul/04/kensington-mp-joins-calls-for-grenfell-tower-inquiry-chair-to-be-replaced-politics-live0 -
He didn't write it?Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, Jeremy Corbyn has come up with something sensible:
Corbyn has demanded a two-part inquiry looking first at the specific issues at Grenfell and then a wider examination of national issues. And he also wants transparency and the full involvement of the residents in the process, a source said.
He's also refused to back the shadow fire services minister’s call for Sir Martin Moore-Bick to resign as chair of the inquiry.
Two sensible things from Corbyn in one afternoon? What is going on?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jul/04/kensington-mp-joins-calls-for-grenfell-tower-inquiry-chair-to-be-replaced-politics-live0 -
Lol, you've got a bee in your bonnet about mind reading!Alice_Aforethought said:
Unfortunately most people lack your ability to read the minds of others at will, and therefore would be unable to identify a rat bag from a decent tenant simply through telepathy.dyedwoolie said:
No, anger should be directed at the paucity of social housing. Whilst the above example is clearly a rat bag, the situation for the majority on low incomes who don't want to take the piss is very poor and there is little help in the private or public sphere. There is simply no appetite amongst those that are not in this position to address the issue, the alright Jacks are alright after all, and, on top of this are only exposed to stories like the above and sensationalized TV programmes.Richard_Nabavi said:
So landlords are deliberately depriving themselves of good tenants? Well, it's a thought.dyedwoolie said:As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.
In the real world, landlords can only go on experience and risk. That means some people get unfairly treated, but, rather than lambasting landlords who just want their property to be respected and their rent paid, shouldn't you turn your anger on those who wreck things for you? People like this tenant for example:
I'm a landlord who felt sorry for the a girl on DSS after stating no DSS and it was the biggest mistake of my life, not only has she since sold the whole flat's worth of furniture (and because she is on DSS, Ive been told I'll be lucky to get a £1 a week from her to repay the cost of a whole flat of furniture, including a tv, sofa, two double beds, wardrobes and I could go on) not only that but now she isn't paying her rent and its ason we don't want to rent to DSS. Its the council's fault they not only take an age to even reply to any correspondent, the people who do this are completely rude and unhelpful. In 7 years of renting my flat this is just a horrific experience and I for one will never ever even consider DSS again
It's from this quite interesting set of comments on both sides:
https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/house-garden-194/money-finance-entitlements-267/521315-private-renting-when-housing-benefit-help-all.html
In the absence of your psychic insights, most landlords understandably go for tenants who experience, references and credti checks suggest are less likely to screw them over. I'm surprised you haven't picked this up from scanning their thoughts.0 -
Good point, that might be it.FrancisUrquhart said:
He didn't write it?Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, Jeremy Corbyn has come up with something sensible:
Corbyn has demanded a two-part inquiry looking first at the specific issues at Grenfell and then a wider examination of national issues. And he also wants transparency and the full involvement of the residents in the process, a source said.
He's also refused to back the shadow fire services minister’s call for Sir Martin Moore-Bick to resign as chair of the inquiry.
Two sensible things from Corbyn in one afternoon? What is going on?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/jul/04/kensington-mp-joins-calls-for-grenfell-tower-inquiry-chair-to-be-replaced-politics-live0 -
You knew that already.dyedwoolie said:
Lol, you've got a bee in your bonnet about mind reading!Alice_Aforethought said:
Unfortunately most people lack your ability to read the minds of others at will, and therefore would be unable to identify a rat bag from a decent tenant simply through telepathy.dyedwoolie said:
No, anger should be directed at the paucity of social housing. Whilst the above example is clearly a rat bag, the situation for the majority on low incomes who don't want to take the piss is very poor and there is little help in the private or public sphere. There is simply no appetite amongst those that are not in this position to address the issue, the alright Jacks are alright after all, and, on top of this are only exposed to stories like the above and sensationalized TV programmes.Richard_Nabavi said:
So landlords are deliberately depriving themselves of good tenants? Well, it's a thought.dyedwoolie said:As a general rule neither do welfare claimants. We aren't feral animals.and, believe it or not, being low on funds doesn't make you less proud or committed to meeting your commitments. Indeed I'd say having money tends more towards greed, fraud and ducking out of paying than not having it.
In the real world, landlords can only go on experience and risk. That means some people get unfairly treated, but, rather than lambasting landlords who just want their property to be respected and their rent paid, shouldn't you turn your anger on those who wreck things for you? People like this tenant for example:
I'm a landlord who felt sorry for the a girl on DSS after stating no DSS and it was the biggest mistake of my life, not only has she since sold the whole flat's worth of furniture (and because she is on DSS, Ive been told I'll be lucky to get a £1 a week from her to repay the cost of a whole flat of furniture, including a tv, sofa, two double beds, wardrobes and I could go on) not only that but now she isn't paying her rent and its ason we don't want to rent to DSS. Its the council's fault they not only take an age to even reply to any correspondent, the people who do this are completely rude and unhelpful. In 7 years of renting my flat this is just a horrific experience and I for one will never ever even consider DSS again
It's from this quite interesting set of comments on both sides:
https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/house-garden-194/money-finance-entitlements-267/521315-private-renting-when-housing-benefit-help-all.html
In the absence of your psychic insights, most landlords understandably go for tenants who experience, references and credti checks suggest are less likely to screw them over. I'm surprised you haven't picked this up from scanning their thoughts.0
