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I think Truro & Falmouth is a viable Labour target in future too.rcs1000 said:
Like many places, Cornwall saw challengers entrenched.surbiton said:Has anybody been keeping an eye on the swings in Cornwall ? Ed Miliband's good work about organisation is giving fruit.
We are becoming the second party in that county. Soon we will win seats when we start to squeeze the LD votes.
So, the Labour Party made progress in SE Cornwall, Cambourne, Truro & Falmouth and Newquay & St Austell. But it went backwards (relative to the LDs) in St Ives and North Cornwall.
Cambourne is a real shot for the Labour Party next time around. But St Ives looks the most likely seat to change hands next time around.
Very surprised at their success in Cornwall, I thought Labour just wouldn't be able to compete in rural areas these days (though I'm not sure how urbanized Truro is).0 -
Yes, my poker club in Nottingham (Dusk Till Dawn) were still running analysis of the results on the Friday. Normally they only have footie.nunu said:This is what has changed...
18 months ago if you mention politics to a group of under 30's you would get silence and rolling eyes.
On Thursday night INSIDE NIGHTCLUBS there were TV screens showing David Dimbleby and various talking heads dissecting the election results. They stopped the music to play the counts being announced0 -
Many Tories want him as PM. Is there such a dearth of talent in the Tory Party ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Answer: there is.0 -
He WAS close on any objective measure.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's another mistake in the piece as well.rcs1000 said:
That's an embarrassing lack of fact checking.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Typical Tory complacency. Like, "people will never vote for an IRA sympathiser..", " no one will vote for such costly programmes...".AndyJS said:
Labour has already squeezed most of the LD vote in some of the Cornish seats.surbiton said:Has anybody been keeping an eye on the swings in Cornwall ? Ed Miliband's good work about organisation is giving fruit.
We are becoming the second party in that county. Soon we will win seats when we start to squeeze the LD votes.0 -
pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense. Fact is more voters voted for Tory manifesto of no single market etc. than voted for labour manifesto because the brexit split is still 52/48 in reality. The reason for no big majority was not because of brexit but because of a poorly thought out offer on social care , WFA, and Triple lock that was framed by the opposition as an attack on pensioners, plus also the free goodies on offer for the young from Corbyn. If the tories backslide on brexit they will lose all the ukip support they got at last election,0
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No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it0 -
Do people like Boris actually write these articles that appear in the papers?rcs1000 said:
That's an embarrassing lack of fact checking.TheScreamingEagles said:
I always assumed they were probably written by (in this case) Conservative Central Office and the politician (Boris etc) just puts their name to it?0 -
Both parties put forward manifesto's to leave the single market and got over 80% between them?Scott_P said:
No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it0 -
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no they rejected social care changes and TM poor leadership (but she still got more votes than Tony Blair) they did not reject brexit otherwise Tim Farron would be PM, the EU referendum was sold on the clear understanding last year of taking back control of our borders and free trade deals with the world, soft brexit denies both of these, the people voted for brexit on that basis. This was a general election not a referendum on brexitScott_P said:
No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it0 -
Is that the same Nick Clegg that's just been booted out of his seat by a candidate standing on a manifesto to leave the single market?Scott_P said:0 -
The leadership polls shifted very substantially during the campaign. IIRC Corbyn actually led on "doing a good job" and substantially narrowed the gap on "best PM": it's now disappeared altogether. It's clear that the current Labour approach is to keep talking about being ready to form a government, to get people used to the idea as a natural next step.Roger said:
A good post but I don't agree with it. I'm pretty convinced that if Corbyn stood a chance of winning a lot less people would have voted for him. This was proved by the leadership polls which hardly shifted throughout the campaign.
Towards the end people had become really pissed off with May and decided a vote for Corbyn was a hit to nothing. Why his support has surged since is merely down to momentum and success breeding success.
People who only saw an anti May candidate took a second look and quite liked what they saw..
I never met a voter who said "I'm voting Labour because I think it's safe as you won't win". Not one. As others have said, it's a line that works with politics nerds like us, but most people simply vote for whom they like best, or to stop someone else.0 -
I haven't even read all of that article, but I'm really glad to see Clegg continuing to speak out on Brexit. I hope to see more of it in the future.Scott_P said:0 -
You can see how the anti-democrats and elitist's are seizing on this to try and scupper Brexit can't you.kjohnw said:
no they rejected social care changes and TM poor leadership (but she still got more votes than Tony Blair) they did not reject brexit otherwise Tim Farron would be PM, the EU referendum was sold on the clear understanding last year of taking back control of our borders and free trade deals with the world, soft brexit denies both of these, the people voted for brexit on that basis. This was a general election not a referendum on brexitScott_P said:
No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it0 -
correct , as you rightly say labour and tory manifestos both were offering leaving single market and 80% of voters voted for those said manifestos, that is a majority in a democracyGIN1138 said:
Is that the same Nick Clegg that's just been booted out of his seat by a candidate standing on a manifesto to leave the single market?Scott_P said:0 -
A General election explicitly fought to get a strong and stable mandate for Brexitkjohnw said:This was a general election not a referendum on brexit
And the public denied it
Democracy in action
I can just about see the Brexiteers' point if they claim the referendum superseded the mandate from the 2015 election, but to claim it supersedes the mandate from subsequent elections explicitly called to deliver it is fantasy, even by their standards0 -
80% of voters voted for manifestos to take us out of single market,Scott_P said:
A General election explicitly fought to get a strong and stable mandate for Brexitkjohnw said:This was a general election not a referendum on brexit
And the public denied it
Democracy in action
I can just about see the Brexiteers' point if they claim the referendum superseded the mandate from the 2015 election, but to claim it supersedes the mandate from subsequent elections explicitly called to deliver it is fantasy, even by their standards0 -
80%+ voted for parties committed to leaving the single market.Scott_P said:
A General election explicitly fought to get a strong and stable mandate for Brexitkjohnw said:This was a general election not a referendum on brexit
And the public denied it
Democracy in action
I can just about see the Brexiteers' point if they claim the referendum superseded the mandate from the 2015 election, but to claim it supersedes the mandate from subsequent elections explicitly called to deliver it is fantasy, even by their standards
You can wriggle as much as you like but them's the facts.0 -
If we had a Grand coalition, you might have a point, but that's not how our Parliamentary system workskjohnw said:80% of voters voted for manifestos to take us out of single market,
Remedial democracy for Brexiteers
The manifestos of parties that don't command a majority (of seats) are not enacted.0 -
Wriggle. Wriggle. Wriggle.Scott_P said:
If we had a Grand coalition, you might have a point, but that's not how our Parliamentary system workskjohnw said:80% of voters voted for manifestos to take us out of single market,
Remedial democracy for Brexiteers
The manifestos of parties that don't command a majority (of seats) are not enacted.0 -
They also voted for £350 million more pounds for the NHS. We don't get to pick and choose which parts of the manifesto voters rejected, fact is no manifesto won.kjohnw said:
no they rejected social care changes and TM poor leadership (but she still got more votes than Tony Blair) they did not reject brexit otherwise Tim Farron would be PM, the EU referendum was sold on the clear understanding last year of taking back control of our borders and free trade deals with the world, soft brexit denies both of these, the people voted for brexit on that basis. This was a general election not a referendum on brexitScott_P said:
No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it
So now parliament has to come together and pass whatever sort of Brexit they can. Since no party won a majority the HoL does not have to abide by the Salisbury convention either.
UKIP voters didn't even choose the Tories over labour, it seems they didn't want "no deal is better then a bad deal" or they should have voted for it. This is the result, not what I wanted but there we are.0 -
but the referendum was clear leaving the EU meant taking back control of our borders and free trade with world, and we voted on that basis to leave, you just want to scupper brexit, but if the DUP vote with the tories to take us out of single market thats democracy tooScott_P said:
If we had a Grand coalition, you might have a point, but that's not how our Parliamentary system workskjohnw said:80% of voters voted for manifestos to take us out of single market,
Remedial democracy for Brexiteers
The manifestos of parties that don't command a majority (of seats) are not enacted.0 -
nunu said:
They also voted for £350 million more pounds for the NHS. We don't get to pick and choose which parts of the manifesto voters rejected, fact is no manifesto won.kjohnw said:
no they rejected social care changes and TM poor leadership (but she still got more votes than Tony Blair) they did not reject brexit otherwise Tim Farron would be PM, the EU referendum was sold on the clear understanding last year of taking back control of our borders and free trade deals with the world, soft brexit denies both of these, the people voted for brexit on that basis. This was a general election not a referendum on brexitScott_P said:
No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it
So now parliament has to come together and pass whatever sort of Brexit they can. Since no party won a majority the HoL does not have to abide by the Salisbury convention either.
UKIP voters didn't even choose the Tories over labour, it seems they didn't want "no deal is better then a bad deal" or they should have voted for it. This is the result, not what I wanted but there we are.
when we leave we can spend the £350 million more a week on the NHS BUT WE HAVE NOT LEFT YET0 -
I think that is very, very unlikely.nunu said:
So now parliament has to come together and pass whatever sort of Brexit they can.
We're far more likely to just crash out with no deal now as the whole thing breaks down in acrimony and recriminations than if Theresa had won a sizable majority,0 -
No it wasn'tkjohnw said:but the referendum was clear leaving the EU meant taking back control of our borders and free trade with world
How quickly you forget the Brexiteers' claims we would still be in the single market
https://quotebrexit.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/leave-campaigners-lets-stay-in-the-single-market/0 -
parliament anyway has already give the government power to leave and negotiate without having to refer it back for another vote anyway0
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Lol!Scott_P said:
No, it's democracy.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense.
May put forward a manifesto for hard brexit, and voters rejected it
Labour put forward a manifesto for leaving the single market, and voters rejected it
Yeah, only 13.7 million people voted Tory, a not dissimilar number voted Labour. How many votes did the 'soft Brexit' Lib Dems get?0 -
The problem with this "Tories from all wings of the Party coming together to prevent another election" that seems to be growing is.....you don't have the numbers. You still need a deal with the DUP. You may get it, but you don't have it. And if you do, you may not have it for long.. You are at the mercy of events. There is a possibility your QS may be voted down....What is your plan then? Is it to shout JC even louder? That will not wash. Tbf, there are some who see that, but many don't.0
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Cameron said if we leave we leave everything (single market, customs union, etc. He said we'd be quitters? Remember?)Scott_P said:
No it wasn'tkjohnw said:but the referendum was clear leaving the EU meant taking back control of our borders and free trade with world
How quickly you forget the Brexiteers' claims we would still be in the single market
https://quotebrexit.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/leave-campaigners-lets-stay-in-the-single-market/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNnh-KhiLm00 -
how quickly you forget the many including the former PM who said leaving would mean leaving the single marketScott_P said:
No it wasn'tkjohnw said:but the referendum was clear leaving the EU meant taking back control of our borders and free trade with world
How quickly you forget the Brexiteers' claims we would still be in the single market
https://quotebrexit.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/leave-campaigners-lets-stay-in-the-single-market/
https://youtu.be/PJt3bEA_ylg0 -
The governing party will be crucified at the next election with a failed car crash brexit. May's 'no deal' stance was based on rejecting the EU from a position of strength, and absorbing damage from her landslide against Corbyn. So if negotiations are going nowhere, the government will fold to whatever outstanding EU demands there are at the 11th hour, Tsipras style. A bad deal is better than no deal when you are a minority government.GIN1138 said:
I think that is very, very unlikely.nunu said:
So now parliament has to come together and pass whatever sort of Brexit they can.
We're far more likely to just crash out with no deal now as the whole thing breaks down in acrimony and recriminations than if Theresa had won a sizable majority,0 -
what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib denScott_P said:
Neither was the referendumkjohnw said:this wasn't an in/out vote on the single market
The words "single market" appear nowhere on the ballot paper.
They do appear in the party manifestos for the GE, and voters said "get stuffed"0 -
GIN1138 said:
Cameron said if we leave we leave everything (single market, customs union, etc. He said we'd be quitters? Remember?)
Another Brexiteer special...kjohnw said:how quickly you forget the many including the former PM who said leaving would mean leaving the single market
Leavers said we would stay. Remainers said we would leave.
Leavers won the vote, but now Brexiteers claim it was the Remainers who were telling the truth...
Get a grip lads0 -
Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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Scott_P said:GIN1138 said:
Cameron said if we leave we leave everything (single market, customs union, etc. He said we'd be quitters? Remember?)
Another Brexiteer special...kjohnw said:how quickly you forget the many including the former PM who said leaving would mean leaving the single market
Leavers said we would stay. Remainers said we would leave.
Leavers won the vote, but now Brexiteers claim it was the Remainers who were telling the truth...
At the time Remain and Leave agreed we'd have to leave the single market? It was pretty much the only thing they both agreed on.0 -
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Elitist's like Scott don't care about the scummy working classes (as he sees them)...: (kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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Less a fair chunk of the 25260 in Norfolk North who voted Lamb in. There'll be leavers amongst those Lib Dem votes.kjohnw said:
what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib denScott_P said:
Neither was the referendumkjohnw said:this wasn't an in/out vote on the single market
The words "single market" appear nowhere on the ballot paper.
They do appear in the party manifestos for the GE, and voters said "get stuffed"0 -
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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Indeed. Labour is committed to Brexit without continuing in the single market, and is also committed to ending freedom of movement.GIN1138 said:80%+ voted for parties committed to leaving the single market.
Ironic then that I have in front of me both a letter from Theresa May and a Tory mailshot full of newspaper headlines telling me (ad nauseum) precisely the opposite, both posted at great expense to their national campaign funds. Yet now that she feels she needs a mandate to continue the Tories are instead emphasising the truth of what after all was in Labour's manifesto.
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Having seen an attempted Brexit cause the country to descend into ungovernable chaos once, there will be no appetite to go through the same thing again, and any politicians advocating that we do will get short shrift.atia2 said:
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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I have nothing to do with the Tories or Theresa May's disastrous election campaign.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Indeed. Labour is committed to Brexit without continuing in the single market, and is also committed to ending freedom of movement.GIN1138 said:80%+ voted for parties committed to leaving the single market.
Ironic then that I have in front of me both a letter from Theresa May and a Tory mailshot full of newspaper headlines telling me (ad nauseum) precisely the opposite, both posted at great expense to their national campaign funds. Yet now that she feels she needs a mandate to continue the Tories are instead emphasising the truth of what after all was in Labour's manifesto.
In-fact I can easily see myself voting for Jezza at the next election.0 -
Correct, and this was one of the rationales behind the snap election. Brexit will be a disaster, at least in the short term, and May wanted two extra years to shield the Tories from the fallout. Party before country, as ever.Paristonda said:
The governing party will be crucified at the next election with a failed car crash brexit.0 -
So far there's not much polling evidence in favour of a rethink in terms of Remain and Leave.atia2 said:
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
Changes tend to always be within the margin for error.
The one change that did happen running up to the election is that more and more remainers were accepting we're leaving and wanted to get on with it.
How the general election changes that remains to be seen...0 -
Are you confident about yr bet with Seanwilliamglenn said:
Having seen an attempted Brexit cause the country to descend into ungovernable chaos once, there will be no appetite to go through the same thing again, and any politicians advocating that we do will get short shrift.atia2 said:
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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I am now.Pulpstar said:
Are you confident about yr bet with Seanwilliamglenn said:
Having seen an attempted Brexit cause the country to descend into ungovernable chaos once, there will be no appetite to go through the same thing again, and any politicians advocating that we do will get short shrift.atia2 said:
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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I am quite sure that Brexit will now be a minority sport. If people really wanted Brexit they would have piled on the party which called the general election precisely because of that.GIN1138 said:
So far there's not much polling evidence in favour of a rethink in terms of Remain and Leave.atia2 said:
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
Changes tend to always be within the margin for error.
The one change that did happen running up to the election is that more and more remainers were accepting we're leaving and wanted to get on with it.
How the general election changes that remains to be seen...
They didn't.0 -
There was a big poll on Thursday in which the party that brought us Brexit got a kicking in English seats, the severity of which was correlated strongly with Remain vote. Make of that what you will. It suggests to me that votes are available for a rethink.GIN1138 said:
So far there's not much polling evidence in favour of a rethink in terms of Remain and Leave.
I would agree with you that the impact of the GE on Brexit is hard to gauge. I can envisage all things from no effect to cancellation.0 -
We will leave the EU, that's about it !kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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If a "hard" brexit is in the Queen's speech, many Tories, now emboldened, will vote against or abstain. More precisely, there will be amendments and they will either vote for or abstain in those amendments thus making the amendments part of the QS.kjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
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Except Labour closed Brexit off as an issue by accepting we were leaving. If Labour had adopted the Lib Dem position Theresa would have secured her big majority.surbiton said:
I am quite sure that Brexit will now be a minority sport. If people really wanted Brexit they would have piled on the party which called the general election precisely because of that.GIN1138 said:
So far there's not much polling evidence in favour of a rethink in terms of Remain and Leave.atia2 said:
Not necessarily. Voters may eventually tire of these Brexit shenanigans. I would expect any future mandate for Brexit to be declined: the newly engaged youth vote will become increasingly decisive here, as more Remainers turn 18 and more ageing Leavers cark it.kjohnw said:
but if brexit is fudged or watered down to the extent that we still have uncontrolled immigration and no ability to forge our own trade deals expect a new rise of UKIP again and a very angry WWCkjohnw said:Scott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
well if exiting the single market is in the QS then lets see if it goes throughScott_P said:
Still not how our Parliamentary system works. Back to remedial classkjohnw said:what the 80% of voters who accepted the parties offering single market exit, as opposed to the 6% who voted lib den
Changes tend to always be within the margin for error.
The one change that did happen running up to the election is that more and more remainers were accepting we're leaving and wanted to get on with it.
How the general election changes that remains to be seen...
They didn't.
Don't betray your working class votes now... (I know Jezza won't)
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Ed Miliband invested in a full time regional coordinator for Devon and Cornwall. It takes time, but Labour did well in the county elections as well.Danny565 said:
I think Truro & Falmouth is a viable Labour target in future too.rcs1000 said:
Like many places, Cornwall saw challengers entrenched.surbiton said:Has anybody been keeping an eye on the swings in Cornwall ? Ed Miliband's good work about organisation is giving fruit.
We are becoming the second party in that county. Soon we will win seats when we start to squeeze the LD votes.
So, the Labour Party made progress in SE Cornwall, Cambourne, Truro & Falmouth and Newquay & St Austell. But it went backwards (relative to the LDs) in St Ives and North Cornwall.
Cambourne is a real shot for the Labour Party next time around. But St Ives looks the most likely seat to change hands next time around.
Very surprised at their success in Cornwall, I thought Labour just wouldn't be able to compete in rural areas these days (though I'm not sure how urbanized Truro is).0 -
More UKIP voters switched to Labour than the Tories.kjohnw said:pro-remainers like Soubry now claiming the election result proves voters have rejected a clean brexit is nonsense. Fact is more voters voted for Tory manifesto of no single market etc. than voted for labour manifesto because the brexit split is still 52/48 in reality. The reason for no big majority was not because of brexit but because of a poorly thought out offer on social care , WFA, and Triple lock that was framed by the opposition as an attack on pensioners, plus also the free goodies on offer for the young from Corbyn. If the tories backslide on brexit they will lose all the ukip support they got at last election,
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Corbyn did not do as well as Attlee. Attlee won a majority of 146 in 1945, Corbyn won 30 seats to get about as many as Gordon Brown in 2010. Attlee won a 10% swing, Corbyn's swing was 1.8% -not the same thing as the rise of 10% in its percentage which can be explained partly by the collapse of UKIPstevef said:
More people voted Labour in 1951 than in 1945. Labour was more popular in 1951 when it lost than in 1945 when it won. Thats the system we have.foxinsoxuk said:
Attlee lost the 1951 election because the electorate had had enough of austerity.TheScreamingEagles said:
Out of curiosity, how many seats Attlee won, compared to Corbyn?volcanopete said:All in all a great victory for Jeremy Corbyn on a par with Attlee in performance.The nation is in static paralysis and impatiently waits for Mr Corbyn to take over.
People get fed up of it after a while.0
