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A video of an imam appearing to call for the murder of Jews in a sermon during Friday prayers at a Copenhagen mosque has caused outrage in Denmark.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39885745

A Liberal Democrat candidate has urged supporters to vote for his Labour rival in a bid to defeat the Conservatives in the general election.

Richard Baum has been selected by the Lib Dems as their candidate in highly marginal Bury North seat, on 8 June.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39885399

Those who care strongly enough to make it a driver of their vote are already on either the Tory (pro-liberty) or the left (anti-toff) side.

This won't change a single vote.

But it will unlock significant campaigning muscle from the countryside lobby - that has been very helpful to the Tories in the last 2 elections.

Has this been covered?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/11/choppers-election-podcast-jean-claude-juncker-trying-get-sack/

Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, is trying to get David Davis the sack by allowing negative briefings about him, the Brexit secretary has claimed.

A blast from the past, a rave from the grave?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/11/ben-fogle-says-found-infamous-ed-stone-upmarket-restaurant-london/

I note there is no Kipper standing in Don Valley. They got 25% last time... a very big pie for our @Tissue_Price to eat into.

TW1R64 said:

I do resent the way the left have hijacked the word "progressive" and without any challenge in the MSM.

Don't worry, the Progressive Alliance will be crushed at the upcoming election

(belated) Welcome to PB, @MarkLittlewood!

FrancisUrquhart said:

A Liberal Democrat candidate has urged supporters to vote for his Labour rival in a bid to defeat the Conservatives in the general election.

Richard Baum has been selected by the Lib Dems as their candidate in highly marginal Bury North seat, on 8 June.

The LD candidate has no chance of winning, will take no part in campaigning in Bury and recommends voting for another party. Seems daft to stand a candidate just to lose a deposit.

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

You can forsake me
Try to break me
But you can't shake me
No
You can despise me
Demonise me
It satisfies me
So

There is so much love in me

RobD said:

I note there is no Kipper standing in Don Valley. They got 25% last time... a very big pie for our @Tissue_Price to eat into.

We at Auchentennach Fine Pies refute your disgraceful inference that we "eat into" any UKIP personage let alone a meagre 25% content !!

JackW said:

RobD said:

I note there is no Kipper standing in Don Valley. They got 25% last time... a very big pie for our @Tissue_Price to eat into.

We at Auchentennach Fine Pies refute your disgraceful inference that we "eat into" any UKIP personage let alone a meagre 25% content !!

You mean "mechanically recovered kippers" are not in the secret recipe? You can tell me - I won't breathe a word!

JackW said:

RobD said:

I note there is no Kipper standing in Don Valley. They got 25% last time... a very big pie for our @Tissue_Price to eat into.

We at Auchentennach Fine Pies refute your disgraceful inference that we "eat into" any UKIP personage
let alone a meagre 25% content !!

My apologies. Are Auchentennach Pies 100% UKIP?

(Also, I hope said pies are offered gratis for any patron of the Auchentennach gay pleasure grounds, such as myself).

Dura_Ace said:

madasafish said:

I live in the countryside..Foxes in the field behind. I have never hunted - I would fall off the horse.. And don't follow it..

The League Against Cruel Sports say "“Are we really going to turn the clock back to a time when killing animals for fun was legal?"

Which is utter nonsense..considering all the other animals you can legally kill..and in the case of rats you SHOULD kill..

So frankly I - and many others - don't give a damn about the issue.

| Many City dwellers have not got a clue about the countryside..

There is a difference between killing an animal for a perceived necessity like pest control and torturing one to death as part of a pissed up laugh.

It's an unnecessary distraction.

If she want to repeal old bills, why not the HoL Act 1999.

CarlottaVance said:

JackW said:

RobD said:

I note there is no Kipper standing in Don Valley. They got 25% last time... a very big pie for our @Tissue_Price to eat into.

We at Auchentennach Fine Pies refute your disgraceful inference that we "eat into" any UKIP personage let alone a meagre 25% content !!

You mean "mechanically recovered kippers" are not in the secret recipe? You can tell me - I won't breathe a word!

You are most welcome to visit Auchentennach Castle to see for yourself ....

On a one off basis ....

It's a distraction, but could have a minor impact upon urban Lab/UKIP > Con switchers in that it reinforces the "toffs" meme that Mrs May is trying hard to dispel (and is contrary to today's news that "Lab had deserted the working classes".)

On the reverse side, if it unlocks Countryside Alliance footsoldiers again, It will be useful in rural Lib Dem facing battles.

Either way it will have been a carefully thought out position from the PM. She doesn't tend to blunder into unexpected statements.

CarlottaVance said:

And on the BBC UK news site, the leading headlines are:

"I'm not a Pacifist" says Corbyn

and

"Labour has deserted working class" - May

I wonder which will be believed?

I think the killers for Labour in the Com Res poll were people favouring Conservative over Labour policies by 51-31%, thinking Corbyn would be a disaster as PM by 56-30%, and thinking the Conservatives have the best campaign by 42-20%.

It doesn't matter if some Labour policies are popular if people distrust their leader, and think they're unaffordable.

JackW said:

RobD said:

JackW said:

RobD said:

I note there is no Kipper standing in Don Valley. They got 25% last time... a very big pie for our @Tissue_Price to eat into.

We at Auchentennach Fine Pies refute your disgraceful inference that we "eat into" any UKIP personage
let alone a meagre 25% content !!

My apologies. Are Auchentennach Pies 100% UKIP?

(Also, I hope said pies are offered gratis for any patron of the Auchentennach gay pleasure grounds, such as myself).

Visitors to Auchentennach find the flesh pots .. .... so overwhelming that life is never the same again ....

I can attest to that.

As well as the UKIP most seats bet, there was another fairly punchy bet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/david_powles/status/862769213513060354

Front pages still dominated by Labour’s leaked manifest, with mixed reviews.

‘Party backs radical manifesto’ claims the Guardian, while the Times leads with ‘Labour fights civil war over hard-left manifesto. Telegraph goes with ‘Labour MPs ditch Corbyn manifesto’, the Indie has ‘Labour’s £50bn wish list and the Mail ‘Corbyn’s fantasy land.

Andrew Hawkins @ComRes sums up the problem. - ComRes for @DailyMirror 34% are more likely to vote Lab having heard/read of policies, 47% less likely to.

Ishmael_Z said:

Hunted foxes are killed at least as painlessly as those killed in any other way.

How do you know this? When was your vulpine agony meter last calibrated?

SquareRoot said:

SimonStClare said:

SquareRoot said:

Was there a VI in the Comres poll?

No.

Perhaps the VI part was too depressing

Last one was Con 50%

Dura_Ace said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dura_Ace said:

madasafish said:

I live in the countryside..Foxes in the field behind. I have never hunted - I would fall off the horse.. And don't follow it..

The League Against Cruel Sports say "“Are we really going to turn the clock back to a time when killing animals for fun was legal?"

Which is utter nonsense..considering all the other animals you can legally kill..and in the case of rats you SHOULD kill..

So frankly I - and many others - don't give a damn about the issue.

| Many City dwellers have not got a clue about the countryside..

torturing one to death as part of a pissed up laugh.

You mean angling?

I'd agree it's in the same category but we'll get to it once the fox botherers have been fucked off.

Will that be before or after Halal butchery?

Ishmael_Z said:

Dura_Ace said:

madasafish said:

I live in the countryside..Foxes in the field behind. I have never hunted - I would fall off the horse.. And don't follow it..

The League Against Cruel Sports say "“Are we really going to turn the clock back to a time when killing animals for fun was legal?"

Which is utter nonsense..considering all the other animals you can legally kill..and in the case of rats you SHOULD kill..

So frankly I - and many others - don't give a damn about the issue.

| Many City dwellers have not got a clue about the countryside..

There is a difference between killing an animal for a perceived necessity like pest control and torturing one to death as part of a pissed up laugh.

Hunted foxes are killed at least as painlessly as those killed in any other way.

It's small-time snobs like you that are the most depressing feature of the UK. The more vociferous Remainers clearly revel in Brexit because whatever its drawbacks, it legitimises their saying out loud what they've always thought, how stupid and horrible the proles are. Now you've found something to hate "toffs" about too (and of the people I hunt with, I would guess only about 20% are higher-rate taxpayers). Well done you.

"...the unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable,"

Rookie mistake from Mrs May.

She should have followed Dave's lead on this topic.

Kept it low key and not expressed her own view.

Jonathan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Rookie mistake from Mrs May.

She should have followed Dave's lead on this topic.

Kept it low key and not expressed her own view.

Perhaps she was referring to Liam.

Now that's a policy we could all support.

DavidL said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

Completely agree. It is not going to come close to changing my vote but the key to the success of David Cameron and now Theresa May was the detoxification of the Tory image from where the party was in the sad days of that well known rapper, IDS. This is a backward step which, although not decisive, will make many think, do I really have something in common with that party? Do they reflect my values?

Stupid mistake and getting the Countryside Alliance to deliver leaflets for you in ultra safe seats (post the demise of UKIP) is no compensation at all.

Yep. The Nasty party is back.

DavidL said:

SimonStClare said:

Front pages still dominated by Labour’s leaked manifest, with mixed reviews.

‘Party backs radical manifesto’ claims the Guardian, while the Times leads with ‘Labour fights civil war over hard-left manifesto. Telegraph goes with ‘Labour MPs ditch Corbyn manifesto’, the Indie has ‘Labour’s £50bn wish list and the Mail ‘Corbyn’s fantasy land.

Andrew Hawkins @ComRes sums up the problem. - ComRes for @DailyMirror 34% are more likely to vote Lab having heard/read of policies, 47% less likely to.

£50bn wish list? Did they get past the first couple of pages?

– I’ve seen cost estimates at 5 times that figure, but it’s the Indie (i), they're rubbish.

Grammar Schools were her biggest mistake but this isn't far behind. For someone so cautious she's not making a great start. Even worse corbyn isn't turning out to be the donkey many of us predicted. He's finally got people's attention and he isn't talking rubbish.

Neither is Thornberry. Brexit taught us that you only need two or three spokespeople so as long as he hides Abbott and McDonnell this could yet be an unexpected election.

Dura_Ace said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Hunted foxes are killed at least as painlessly as those killed in any other way.

How do you know this? When was your vulpine agony meter last calibrated?

Well, I think we'd all agree it's quicker and less painful than gassing, snaring or poisoning (or at least, anyone who knows anything about those three would agree).

The most humane way to kill a fox is lamping, which is usually more or less instantaneous. However, there are drawbacks to it. For one thing, foxes are clever and tend not to go near big strange things smelling of oil parked in a damn great field in the middle of the night. Also, lamping isn't exactly safe - in the month the hunting act was passed two people were killed in Herefordshire, one of them a boy of twelve, after a lamping bullet missed its target (quite what he was doing out and about at that time of night I do not know).

Arguably the most coherent reason to repeal this particular law however is that it is badly written and practically unenforceable (just like every other bill passed by Blair's government). I think there have only been something like 9 successful prosecutions of hunts under it, at least one of which was privately funded - most of the convictions relate to poaching which could easily be covered by other acts.

It may have been forgotten that Cameron did try to amend it to bring it in line with the much more effective and better written law in Scotland, but was, ironically, blocked by the SNP announcing they would vote against it despite it being (a) England only and (b) intended to apply Scottish law to England!

AlastairMeeks said:

As well as the UKIP most seats bet, there was another fairly punchy bet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/david_powles/status/862769213513060354

And hedged on the exchange for a small loss. How much would it cost Betfred to place a front page advert?

DavidL said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

Completely agree. It is not going to come close to changing my vote but the key to the success of David Cameron and now Theresa May was the detoxification of the Tory image from where the party was in the sad days of that well known rapper, IDS. This is a backward step which, although not decisive, will make many think, do I really have something in common with that party? Do they reflect my values?

Stupid mistake and getting the Countryside Alliance to deliver leaflets for you in ultra safe seats (post the demise of UKIP) is no compensation at all.

Correct. All those thinking she's a different type of Tory will be having a rethink.

Roger said:

DavidL said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

Completely agree. It is not going to come close to changing my vote but the key to the success of David Cameron and now Theresa May was the detoxification of the Tory image from where the party was in the sad days of that well known rapper, IDS. This is a backward step which, although not decisive, will make many think, do I really have something in common with that party? Do they reflect my values?

Stupid mistake and getting the Countryside Alliance to deliver leaflets for you in ultra safe seats (post the demise of UKIP) is no compensation at all.

Correct. All those thinking she's a different type of Tory will be having a rethink.

All of them? I doubt many even heard it.. People seem to think voters listen to minutiae.. they don't

Storm in a teacup imho.

Roger said:

DavidL said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

Completely agree. It is not going to come close to changing my vote but the key to the success of David Cameron and now Theresa May was the detoxification of the Tory image from where the party was in the sad days of that well known rapper, IDS. This is a backward step which, although not decisive, will make many think, do I really have something in common with that party? Do they reflect my values?

Stupid mistake and getting the Countryside Alliance to deliver leaflets for you in ultra safe seats (post the demise of UKIP) is no compensation at all.

Correct. All those thinking she's a different type of Tory will be having a rethink.

I feel like May is an enigma. I went from liking her when she was Home Sec to feeling rather ambivalent about her now.

In fact, I'm rather concerned that she's being given a free run right now and there is no decent opposition around to voice the concerns of those worried about Brexit and a myriad of other things.

ThreeQuidder said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

She was asked a question. If she'd ducked it she would have been criticised for that too.

She was also asked about 'Vegan school meals' and after saying a Mum could provide a healthy meal for her own kid said she ate meat......

Somehow people think 'not being straight with the electorate' is a disadvantage.....

AlastairMeeks said:

As well as the UKIP most seats bet, there was another fairly punchy bet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/david_powles/status/862769213513060354

I asked for £400 @ 10-1 on Lib Dem 10-19 seats but got knocked back to 50.

I've laid this bet personally to a 800/100 on Betfair actually.

He should have come to this forum, between a few of us I'm sure we could have accommodated this bet - and at better odds than 12-1 too

As an aside, Labour's draft manifesto says it will end driver-only operation on trains. This means that all trains (presumably they mean passenger trains only) will have to have guards. This will put up costs, make strikes much more effective, and do nothing for safety.

They also appear to commit to extending HS2 to Scotland. Chortle.

Oh, and it also fails to mention freight (though to be fair they're not the only party to 'forget' rail freight).

AlsoIndigo said:

It should also be noted that while a similar pledge was made in 2010 and 2015, such a vote has never in those years reached the floor of the Commons, and there is no reason to suspect that it will in the next parliament. I am sure the leadership of the CA are aware of this, its a about the Tories telling the CA that they feel their pain and they are on their side (without actually doing anything) and the CA having something to point at to get their troops out knocking on doors.

Not really. A vote to qualify the ban would have taken place 18 months ago under Cameron. But, the SNP (outrageously and hypocritically) spiked it.

JosiasJessop said:

As an aside, Labour's draft manifesto says it will end driver-only operation on trains. This means that all trains (presumably they mean passenger trains only) will have to have guards. This will put up costs, make strikes much more effective, and do nothing for safety.

They also appear to commit to extending HS2 to Scotland. Chortle.

Oh, and it also fails to mention freight (though to be fair they're not the only party to 'forget' rail freight).

I'd love to see them bring back guard's vans on freight trains. They could commission a new fleet of those freightliner guard's vans which were highly dangerous!

Dura_Ace said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dura_Ace said:

madasafish said:

I live in the countryside..Foxes in the field behind. I have never hunted - I would fall off the horse.. And don't follow it..

The League Against Cruel Sports say "“Are we really going to turn the clock back to a time when killing animals for fun was legal?"

Which is utter nonsense..considering all the other animals you can legally kill..and in the case of rats you SHOULD kill..

So frankly I - and many others - don't give a damn about the issue.

| Many City dwellers have not got a clue about the countryside..

torturing one to death as part of a pissed up laugh.

You mean angling?

I'd agree it's in the same category but we'll get to it once the fox botherers have been fucked off.

And that's the level of rationality and prejudice mentality behind the existing law.

JosiasJessop said:

As an aside, Labour's draft manifesto says it will end driver-only operation on trains. This means that all trains (presumably they mean passenger trains only) will have to have guards. This will put up costs, make strikes much more effective, and do nothing for safety.

They also appear to commit to extending HS2 to Scotland. Chortle.

Oh, and it also fails to mention freight (though to be fair they're not the only party to 'forget' rail freight).

I wonder how the DLR would function.

The draft manifesto is full of stupid proposals.

foxinsoxuk said:

DavidL said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

Completely agree. It is not going to come close to changing my vote but the key to the success of David Cameron and now Theresa May was the detoxification of the Tory image from where the party was in the sad days of that well known rapper, IDS. This is a backward step which, although not decisive, will make many think, do I really have something in common with that party? Do they reflect my values?

Stupid mistake and getting the Countryside Alliance to deliver leaflets for you in ultra safe seats (post the demise of UKIP) is no compensation at all.

Yep. The Nasty party is back.

Pathetic spinning. Grow up.

AlsoIndigo said:

AlsoIndigo said:

I am sure urban LDs hate it, but they were never going to vote Tory anyway.

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

QED.

1) I'm not a Lib Dem.
2) I'm pretty agnostic about the ban on fox hunting.

Otherwise, you're spot on.

JosiasJessop said:

As an aside, Labour's draft manifesto says it will end driver-only operation on trains. This means that all trains (presumably they mean passenger trains only) will have to have guards. This will put up costs, make strikes much more effective, and do nothing for safety.

They also appear to commit to extending HS2 to Scotland. Chortle.

Oh, and it also fails to mention freight (though to be fair they're not the only party to 'forget' rail freight).

No Crossrail then.

SquareRoot said:

Roger said:

DavidL said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It makes the Conservatives look backward-looking, cruel and obsessed by trivia. Theresa May should never have gone near the subject.

Completely agree. It is not going to come close to changing my vote but the key to the success of David Cameron and now Theresa May was the detoxification of the Tory image from where the party was in the sad days of that well known rapper, IDS. This is a backward step which, although not decisive, will make many think, do I really have something in common with that party? Do they reflect my values?

Stupid mistake and getting the Countryside Alliance to deliver leaflets for you in ultra safe seats (post the demise of UKIP) is no compensation at all.

Correct. All those thinking she's a different type of Tory will be having a rethink.

All of them? I doubt many even heard it.. People seem to think voters listen to minutiae.. they don't

Storm in a teacup imho.

Steve Bell

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