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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    edited April 2017
    This is clearly some new definition of five that I was not previously aware of.

    SECOND!

    Sigh: original article said Five horse race, but my dad edited it to say Four. So the joke(s) are lost.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    SECOND time to post this:

    In the first round it's all about shoring up your core vote. In the second round about being the least objectionable to the most number of people. Macron is the odd one out because he doesn't have a core vote to shore up. However he does have distinct message - that France can progress by embracing the modern world. The three others all think the modern world is a problem. Macron has to hope that a quarter of French men and women agree sufficiently to vote for him. If they do, he will probably win by being less objectionable then the other one. I can't see Melenchon voters switching to Fillon or vice versa. It's doubtful Le Pen has detoxified her party enough to win half the votes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Too close.

    If Le Pen doesn't make it, now that'd be embarrassing after being most likely to get through to the final poll for so long.
    rcs1000 said:

    This is clearly some new definition of five that I was not previously aware of.

    SECOND!

    Sigh: original article said Five horse race, but my dad edited it to say Four. So the joke(s) are lost.

    Parents always let you down.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    It's almost as close and exciting as the F1 title race.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    Mr. kle4, Uranus and Cronos probably think it's the sons who are out of order! :p
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Since the Opinionway poll, further polls published today by Ifop and Elabe have put Fillon 3-3.5% behind Le Pen and 3.5-4.5% behind Macron.

    But wait...what's this? Sputnik News, who got their fingers rapped by France's polling commission for giving too much weight to a poll by Moscow-based Brand Analytics which showed Fillon in the lead, are doing it again! The BA poll to which they refer today has the candidates as follows:

    Fillon 24.4%
    Macron 22.3%
    Mélenchon 19.9%
    Le Pen 16.3%
    Hamon 7.1%
    Dupont-Aignan 1.7%

    What a load of codswallop!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited April 2017
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. kle4, Uranus and Cronos probably think it's the sons who are out of order! :p

    Given Cronos was the one who castrated his dad Uranus, IIRC, I don't know that he was in a position to be uppity about his sons overthrowing him in turn.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    Mr. kle4, according to some traditions, Cronos was released from the underworld by Zeus, to rule part of the Earth.

    Anyway, I must be off.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited April 2017
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. kle4, according to some traditions, Cronos was released from the underworld by Zeus, to rule part of the Earth.

    Anyway, I must be off.

    I only take my ancient greek knowledge from the Age of Mythology game.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    As far away from first as arsenal...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    what are the changes?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Hmph, that looks rather optimistic for Labour, surely.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Cyan said:

    Since the Opinionway poll, further polls published today by Ifop and Elabe have put Fillon 3-3.5% behind Le Pen and 3.5-4.5% behind Macron.

    But wait...what's this? Sputnik News, who got their fingers rapped by France's polling commission for giving too much weight to a poll by Moscow-based Brand Analytics which showed Fillon in the lead, are doing it again! The BA poll to which they refer today has the candidates as follows:

    Fillon 24.4%
    Macron 22.3%
    Mélenchon 19.9%
    Le Pen 16.3%
    Hamon 7.1%
    Dupont-Aignan 1.7%

    Which would leave 8.3% to be shared among Poutou, Arthaud, Asselineau, Lassalle, and Cheminade.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    The SNP currently hold all the MPs in Glasgow and all the constituency MSPs and it voted Yes in 2014. At the Holyrood 2016 elections the Scottish Tories had by far their worst result in Glasgow, they have zero chance there
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Danny565 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Hmph, that looks rather optimistic for Labour, surely.
    Well, predictions are so bad for them, at some point we'll cross over into being pessimistic about their chances.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    This is clearly some new definition of five that I was not previously aware of.

    SECOND!

    Sigh: original article said Five horse race, but my dad edited it to say Four. So the joke(s) are lost.

    Presumably it's 5 gross and 4 net of your fees?
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    what are the changes?
    SNP + 11%
    SLAB - 18%
    SCON + 1%
    Greens N/C
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    kle4 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Hmph, that looks rather optimistic for Labour, surely.
    Well, predictions are so bad for them, at some point we'll cross over into being pessimistic about their chances.
    Well, they only got 24% on the List in Glasgow for the Scottish Parliament last year, and things have only got worse for SLAB since then.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    kle4 said:

    Too close.

    If Le Pen doesn't make it, now that'd be embarrassing after being most likely to get through to the final poll for so long.

    rcs1000 said:

    This is clearly some new definition of five that I was not previously aware of.

    SECOND!

    Sigh: original article said Five horse race, but my dad edited it to say Four. So the joke(s) are lost.

    Parents always let you down.
    She would still make the runoff on every poll released today (except the Russian Sputnik) and she is still polling higher in the first round than the FN have ever got before
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    SeanT said:

    I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to watch the new Top Gear again.

    It's arguably WORSE than the unwatchable Chris Evans version.

    TV viewers agree: it has ended on a series low viewership, and, I suspect, the lowest viewing figures in many many years. Top Gear is the Scottish Labour of great TV shows, discuss.

    http://www.tellymix.co.uk/ratings/307951-ratings-line-duty-tops-viewing-figures-top-gear-sinks-series-low.html

    1.6m. Desperate. Just desperate.

    The Telegraph has been super positive about it saying it is better than clarkson etc...How much are the bbc paying them to write that load of fake news?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Hmph, that looks rather optimistic for Labour, surely.
    Well, predictions are so bad for them, at some point we'll cross over into being pessimistic about their chances.
    Well, they only got 24% on the List in Glasgow for the Scottish Parliament last year, and things have only got worse for SLAB since then.
    2012 -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_City_Council_election,_2012#Election_result
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    SeanT said:

    I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to watch the new Top Gear again.

    It's arguably WORSE than the unwatchable Chris Evans version.

    TV viewers agree: it has ended on a series low viewership, and, I suspect, the lowest viewing figures in many many years. Top Gear is the Scottish Labour of great TV shows, discuss.

    http://www.tellymix.co.uk/ratings/307951-ratings-line-duty-tops-viewing-figures-top-gear-sinks-series-low.html

    1.6m. Desperate. Just desperate.


    Well at least they had more viewers than Naughty Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud.

    Just.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    edited April 2017
    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
    If that were the case, the mass spinning from graves would turn Glasgow into the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
    If that were the case, the mass spinning from graves would turn Glasgow into the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy.
    I know someone who stood as a Tory candidate in Glasgow over a decade ago, he said when he was out campaigning he felt like Captain Oates after he decided to leave the camp.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,172
    rcs1000 said:

    This is clearly some new definition of five that I was not previously aware of.

    SECOND!

    Sigh: original article said Five horse race, but my dad edited it to say Four. So the joke(s) are lost.

    New definition of horse, too. They all look like Thunderbird puppets to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    On topic, please don't let it be Fillon or Le Pen.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
    If that were the case, the mass spinning from graves would turn Glasgow into the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy.
    I know someone who stood as a Tory candidate in Glasgow over a decade ago, he said when he was out campaigning he felt like Captain Oates after he decided to leave the camp.

    I know the weather in Scotland can be rough, but it's not quite as bad as the Antarctic.

  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    edited April 2017
    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
    If that were the case, the mass spinning from graves would turn Glasgow into the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy.
    I know someone who stood as a Tory candidate in Glasgow over a decade ago, he said when he was out campaigning he felt like Captain Oates after he decided to leave the camp.

    I know the weather in Scotland can be rough, but it's not quite as bad as the Antarctic.

    I think his observation was more to do with the loneliness than the weather.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,835
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
    If that were the case, the mass spinning from graves would turn Glasgow into the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy.
    I know someone who stood as a Tory candidate in Glasgow over a decade ago, he said when he was out campaigning he felt like Captain Oates after he decided to leave the camp.
    The unforgiving hostility of the local environment may not have been solely meteorological?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    Clear transposition error by Gerry Braiden.

    He meant to type Tories 44, SNP 7
    If that were the case, the mass spinning from graves would turn Glasgow into the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy.
    I know someone who stood as a Tory candidate in Glasgow over a decade ago, he said when he was out campaigning he felt like Captain Oates after he decided to leave the camp.

    I know the weather in Scotland can be rough, but it's not quite as bad as the Antarctic.

    I think his observation was more to do with the loneliness than the weather.
    And the death of hope I'd imagine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    Talking of tv, silicon valley is back next week....

    https://youtu.be/0a2lv4IwZFY
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    The other 15?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    If they had some decent editorial oversight, they'd have dropped celebrity brain crash after the first episode.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    IMo TGT is better than the last season of clarkson top gear on bbc (which wasn't very good)...However the TGT is inconsistent...1/3 great episodes, 1/3 fine, 1/3 not good at all.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    'Punchy' producer :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    edited April 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    If they had some decent editorial oversight, they'd have dropped celebrity brain crash after the first episode.
    That was horrific...It is like they asked Chris Evans to come up with a segment!

    On the positive side...The h'american was good.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    If they had some decent editorial oversight, they'd have dropped celebrity brain crash after the first episode.
    That was horrific...It is like they asked Chris Evans to come up with a segment!

    On the positive side...The h'american was good.
    Yeah.

    Where Top Gear also struggles is that unlike The Grand Tour, it ain't filmed in 4k.

    Watching things in 4k is an absolute treat.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    edited April 2017
    This is an interesting one. Le Terrain picked up the Melenchon surge in their previous poll a week or two before all the other polls did.
    Macron 24 (-0.5)
    Melenchon 22 (+2.5)
    Le Pen 21.5 (-2.5)
    Fillon 17.5 (+2)

    https://blog-scanresearch.leterrain.fr/2017/04/17/jl-melenchon-devance-de-peu-m-le-pen/

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    chestnut said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Braiden's usually pretty clear eyed with no axe to grind, and lots of good contacts.

    https://twitter.com/BraidenHT/status/854032447461261312

    Only 7 Kippertories would surely be disappointing in the home of the Scottish ultra Yoon.

    The other 15?
    Not sure, but DKs, not voting and 'eff off, am no' saying' I'd guess.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist C

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    If they had some decent editorial oversight, they'd have dropped celebrity brain crash after the first episode.
    That was horrific...It is like they asked Chris Evans to come up with a segment!

    On the positive side...The h'american was good.
    The opening episode of TGT when they "attacked" some special forces basein Jodan was, to my mind, one of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV. They knew it was overly scripted, they told us it was overly scripted, they *played* with the fact it was overly scripted and it was very very funny (to me). It was meta-meta-meta amusing

    I thought then: this is going to be genius. But it dropped off. Yet they still had some great moments.

    The new Top Gear is just dreck.

    The new Top Gear is so bad the last episode got fewer viewers than Simon Reeves' Colombia, where he talks to obscure beachside developers and FARC guerilllas about land reform and then discusses seats in Bogota Congress.
    That wasn't the first episode...I think it was the second. First episode was one of the best with the epic (in 4k) & piss taking opening
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,222
    Two points of pedantry. Firstly, Fillon is a point behind, not within a point. Secondly, he's also only a point behind Macron. I can't think why Mike focussed on Le Pen.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    A lot of people seem to forget at the end Clarkson Top Gear was dying on its arse anyway, I think I watched only one episode from the last series on first showing. I've watched a couple of Joey TGs (mainly 'cos of the Alfa Giulia & Ducati v Bugatti slots), and they weren't unbearably rank.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    BudG said:

    This is an interesting one. Le Terrain picked up the Melenchon surge in their previous poll a week or two before all the other polls did.
    Macron 24 (-0.5)
    Melenchon 22 (+2.5)
    Le Pen 21.5 (-2.5)
    Fillon 17.5 (+2)

    https://blog-scanresearch.leterrain.fr/2017/04/17/jl-melenchon-devance-de-peu-m-le-pen/

    It's a good puzzle for sure !
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    edited April 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    This is an interesting one. Le Terrain picked up the Melenchon surge in their previous poll a week or two before all the other polls did.
    Macron 24 (-0.5)
    Melenchon 22 (+2.5)
    Le Pen 21.5 (-2.5)
    Fillon 17.5 (+2)

    https://blog-scanresearch.leterrain.fr/2017/04/17/jl-melenchon-devance-de-peu-m-le-pen/

    It's a good puzzle for sure !
    They had him on 19 when all the rest had him at 15

    Are they ahead of the curve or is it an outlier?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SeanT said:

    I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to watch the new Top Gear again.

    It's arguably WORSE than the unwatchable Chris Evans version.

    TV viewers agree: it has ended on a series low viewership, and, I suspect, the lowest viewing figures in many many years. Top Gear is the Scottish Labour of great TV shows, discuss.

    http://www.tellymix.co.uk/ratings/307951-ratings-line-duty-tops-viewing-figures-top-gear-sinks-series-low.html

    1.6m. Desperate. Just desperate.

    The Telegraph has been super positive about it saying it is better than clarkson etc...How much are the bbc paying them to write that load of fake news?
    Their TV/motoring journos absolutely loathe Clarkson (I've no idea why)

    But there's no arguing with the viewer stats. Appalling. This is a dying programme. There's no way the BBC are gonna make squillions abroad with this tedious shit. It's not even a very good programme for hardcore petrolheads. It's just awkward and dull.
    The ratings don't matter because if you shut the programme down they are gone anyway. FWIW it was the most popular show on BBC2 and the shows that beat it on BBC1 are Antiques Roadshow etc, that are hardly edgy and pushing the envelope. They need to do two slightly contradictory things with the series: stabilise it without the presenters that became synonymous with the Top Gear brand, so viewers who want to watch a show about cars can tune into the show on its standalone merits, and at the same time try out new things and to accept the inevitable mis-steps along the way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited April 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Two points of pedantry. Firstly, Fillon is a point behind, not within a point. Secondly, he's also only a point behind Macron. I can't think why Mike focussed on Le Pen.

    I think the likelihood is it will still be Macron v Le Pen but I also think the second most likely outcome now is Fillon v Le Pen, just ahead of Fillon v Macron, I think Melenchon will underperform his polling
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist C

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    If they had some decent editorial oversight, they'd have dropped celebrity brain crash after the first episode.
    That was horrific...It is like they asked Chris Evans to come up with a segment!

    On the positive side...The h'american was good.
    The opening episode of TGT when they "attacked" some special forces basein Jodan was, to my mind, one of the

    The new Top Gear is just dreck.

    The new Top Gear is so bad the last episode got fewer viewers than Simon Reeves' Colombia, where he talks to obscure beachside developers and FARC guerilllas about land reform and then discusses seats in Bogota Congress.
    Simon Reeves on Colombia was actually very interesting and well informed as most of his programmes are, I am not surprised it got more viewers than the new Top Gear
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 609
    Anyone know how French election work? Do they have canvassing and telling and the parties get the rolls and knock up. I mean how much advantage does Fillon have from being from an established party? And do the Republicans get the records of the predecessor parties? Or is there a data protection act. Because either we are missing something or Macron should still be odds on.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    gettingbetter said:

    Anyone know how French election work? Do they have canvassing and telling and the parties get the rolls and knock up. I mean how much advantage does Fillon have from being from an established party? And do the Republicans get the records of the predecessor parties? Or is there a data protection act. Because either we are missing something or Macron should still be odds on.

    I think in the first round of the presidential election it should not matter too much for Macron his party is not established but in the legislative elections Les Republicains will have the advantage on that front over En Marche which is why I think the most likely outcome of the French elections is that Macron will win the Presidency but Les Republicains will win the most seats in the National Assembly leading to co-habitation
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Assuming, as is the case with the UK electorate, there are a number of so-called "shy" voters, I imagine that this will help rather than hinder Fillon's chances. If the number of such shy voters is considerable which may well be the case following Fillon's (and his wife's) recent adverse media coverage, then this element could prove crucial in determining the first round outcome and indeed the final result.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    Flip flop Andy living up to his nickname...

    https://order-order.com/2017/04/17/no-mug-burnham-not-a-fan-of-posh-coffee/
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    I've spent a weekend in the Lake District walking, so haven't been engaged, so this may already have been shared, but I very much enjoyed this from our absent friend:
    https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/853749857567346688
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    edited April 2017
    Anorak said:

    I've spent a weekend in the Lake District walking, so haven't been engaged, so this may already have been shared, but I very much enjoyed this from our absent friend:
    https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/853749857567346688

    Unless you are a member of the cult of corbynism then it is your dream to be banged by the supreme leader!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    peter_from_putney said:

    Assuming, as is the case with the UK electorate, there are a number of so-called "shy" voters, I imagine that this will help rather than hinder Fillon's chances. If the number of such shy voters is considerable which may well be the case following Fillon's (and his wife's) recent adverse media coverage, then this element could prove crucial in determining the first round outcome and indeed the final result.

    Coupled with the fact most of his core support comes from pensioners who are very likely to vote
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SeanT said:

    I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to watch the new Top Gear again.

    It's arguably WORSE than the unwatchable Chris Evans version.

    TV viewers agree: it has ended on a series low viewership, and, I suspect, the lowest viewing figures in many many years. Top Gear is the Scottish Labour of great TV shows, discuss.

    http://www.tellymix.co.uk/ratings/307951-ratings-line-duty-tops-viewing-figures-top-gear-sinks-series-low.html

    1.6m. Desperate. Just desperate.

    The Telegraph has been super positive about it saying it is better than clarkson etc...How much are the bbc paying them to write that load of fake news?
    Their TV/motoring journos absolutely loathe Clarkson (I've no idea why)

    But there's no arguing with the viewer stats. Appalling. This is a dying programme. There's no way the BBC are gonna make squillions abroad with this tedious shit. It's not even a very good programme for hardcore petrolheads. It's just awkward and dull.
    The ratings don't matter because if you shut the programme down they are gone anyway. FWIW it was the most popular show on BBC2 and the shows that beat it on BBC1 are Antiques Roadshow etc, that are hardly edgy and pushing the envelope. They need to do two slightly contradictory things with the series: stabilise it without the presenters that became synonymous with the Top Gear brand, so viewers who want to watch a show about cars can tune into the show on its standalone merits, and at the same time try out new things and to accept the inevitable mis-steps along the way.
    lol. It's down to 1.6m. It's heading for Channel 5 territory. It's over. And this is the second attempt at revival. It's like digging up Lazarus the SECOND time, when first he was a bit whiffy, and now this second time he's got, like, all maggots wiggling in his eyes and stuff.

    How do you come back from that? The brand is moribund.

    The BBC will have to admit that it was Clarkson's unique (but irascible) persona which turned a very very niche car programme into a global phenomenon, and that trick probably isn't going to be repeated.

    I remember having this debate with Roger at the time of Clarkson's sacking. He claimed that Clarkson would be easily replaced, and the genius of the BBC would ensure the continued success of the programme, as Jeremy dwindled away.

    Basically, Roger has no idea how artistic talent works, which, I submit, is why he spent a TV career mired in advertising, rather than doing anything significant in any truly creative genre.
    Those tampon ads don't direct themselves...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    SeanT said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist Clarkson should have been hired by the Remain campaign. His words were far more heartfelt and positive than most from that side of the argument even if they must have caused some of his Mail-reading fans to choke in horror

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    A lot of people seem to forget at the end Clarkson Top Gear was dying on its arse anyway, I think I watched only one episode from the last series on first showing. I've watched a couple of Joey TGs (mainly 'cos of the Alfa Giulia & Ducati v Bugatti slots), and they weren't unbearably rank.
    The viewer stats would seem to disagree with you. Like the Scots.

    I agree the last series of Top Gear showed signs of decline (like series before), and yet some of the special trips were amongst the best ever. Especially that number plate in Patagonia. Probably less amusing to a perverted, pedophile Scot Nat like you who actually wanted Britain to lose the Falklands to Fascists, tho.
    I can almost hear the squeak of the cork being eased from the second bottle..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rural_voter said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I take it that the last episode of reverse gear was still as painful as the first episode....Which was truly truly terrible ..It needs taking out the back and shooting.

    The BBC will I suggest have to grovel and re-hire Clarkson, May and Hammond (NB not the PM and Chancellor, that might be even worse than watching the current TG!!). The BBC has a history of grovelling after a suitable period has elapsed.

    Too late now but Euro-federalist C

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/03/13/jeremy-clarkson-remaining-european-union_n_9450576.html
    They can't afford him...And Amazon have him signed up for another two seasons and bbc wouldn't have let some of TGT air as some of the comments / ideas would never have passed the bbc pc ethics approval board.
    The Grand Tour is, however, not proving a huge success either (tho nothing like the disaster of post-Clarkson Top Gear).

    I reckon (and I'm not the first to say this) Clarkson needed the BBC as something to kick against, and to rein him in when he went too far. Every great writer needs a fine editor. Ezra Pound made a great poet of T S Eliot. On the Grand Tour, Clarkson feels wholly unedited. Over-indulged. Flabby.

    That's not good. Nonetheless The Grand Tour is 49 times more watchable than the necrophiliac weirdness of Top Gear. So Clarkson's show might survive, and thrive, if he learns to hire some punchy producer who is prepared to argue with *the talent*

    I see no hope for Top Gear

    If they had some decent editorial oversight, they'd have dropped celebrity brain crash after the first episode.
    That was horrific...It is like they asked Chris Evans to come up with a segment!

    On the positive side...The h'american was good.
    The opening episode of TGT when they "attacked" some special forces basein Jodan was, to my mind, one of the

    The new Top Gear is Congress.
    Simon Reeves on Colombia was actually very interesting and well informed as most of his programmes are, I am not surprised it got more viewers than the new Top Gear
    Agreed. I like Simon Reeves. He's brave, candid and engaging. Always watchable.
    Yes and the fact he was up against Line of Duty makes his viewing figures even more impressive. Giles Coren and Monica Galetti's 'Amazing Hotels' also on the BBC2 9pm slot now is worth a watch too
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SeanT said:

    I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to watch the new Top Gear again.

    It's arguably WORSE than the unwatchable Chris Evans version.

    TV viewers agree: it has ended on a series low viewership, and, I suspect, the lowest viewing figures in many many years. Top Gear is the Scottish Labour of great TV shows, discuss.

    http://www.tellymix.co.uk/ratings/307951-ratings-line-duty-tops-viewing-figures-top-gear-sinks-series-low.html

    1.6m. Desperate. Just desperate.

    The Telegraph has been super positive about it saying it is better than clarkson etc...How much are the bbc paying them to write that load of fake news?
    Their TV/motoring journos absolutely loathe Clarkson (I've no idea why)

    But there's no arguing with the viewer stats. Appalling. This is a dying programme. There's no way the BBC are gonna make squillions abroad with this tedious shit. It's not even a very good programme for hardcore petrolheads. It's just awkward and dull.
    The ratings don't matter because if you shut the programme down they are gone anyway. FWIW it was the most popular show on BBC2 and the shows that beat it on BBC1 are Antiques Roadshow etc, that are hardly edgy and pushing the envelope. They need to do two slightly contradictory things with the series: stabilise it without the presenters that became synonymous with the Top Gear brand, so viewers who want to watch a show about cars can tune into the show on its standalone merits, and at the same time try out new things and to accept the inevitable mis-steps along the way.
    lol. It's down to 1.6m. It's heading for Channel 5 territory. It's over. And this is the second attempt at revival. It's like digging up Lazarus the SECOND time, when first he was a bit whiffy, and now this second time he's got, like, all maggots wiggling in his eyes and stuff.

    How do you come back from that? The brand is moribund.

    The BBC will have to admit that it was Clarkson's unique (but irascible) persona which turned a very very niche car programme into a global phenomenon, and that trick probably isn't going to be repeated.

    I remember having this debate with Roger at the time of Clarkson's sacking. He claimed that Clarkson would be easily replaced, and the genius of the BBC would ensure the continued success of the programme, as Jeremy dwindled away.

    Basically, Roger has no idea how artistic talent works, which, I submit, is why he spent a TV career mired in advertising, rather than doing anything significant in any truly creative genre.
    Come now, I'm sure Roger's worked on some thoroughly absorbent material.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    Can the French president invoke article 13 of the NATO treaty and pull France out of NATO without parliamentary approval?

    Mélenchon promises to withdraw. Le Pen and Dupont-Aignan promise to withdraw from the integrated command structure. Fillon and Macron are basically fine with NATO as it is.

    Say you're Putin. Who are you going to support?

    Meanwhile, on the front page of his website Fillon is telling people how to vote by proxy. I suppose proxy is one of the things that established party machines are good at.

  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    SeanT said:



    lol. It's down to 1.6m. It's heading for Channel 5 territory. It's over. And this is the second attempt at revival. It's like digging up Lazarus the SECOND time, when first he was a bit whiffy, and now this second time he's got, like, all maggots wiggling in his eyes and stuff.

    How do you come back from that? The brand is moribund.

    The BBC will have to admit that it was Clarkson's unique (but irascible) persona which turned a very very niche car programme into a global phenomenon, and that trick probably isn't going to be repeated.

    I remember having this debate with Roger at the time of Clarkson's sacking. He claimed that Clarkson would be easily replaced, and the genius of the BBC would ensure the continued success of the programme, as Jeremy dwindled away.

    Basically, Roger has no idea how artistic talent works, which, I submit, is why he spent a TV career mired in advertising, rather than doing anything significant in any truly creative genre.

    The official BARB figures aren't out for the latest two episodes. They were consistently above 3 million for the first five episodes, which is OK, if half what Clarkson et al were getting latterly. Personally, I am ambivalent about whether the BBC should have killed Top Gear off to do something completely different, but I think a case can be made for it. The BBC's big mistake was allowing the Top Gear brand to be taken over by Clarkson, but once it was they didn't want to kill the goose laying the golden eggs. And of course they made a tidy packet out of it. Now they are trying to wrest the brand back again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    I wish I could say I was surprised by this but....

    https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/854059951106424836
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    edited April 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wish I could say I was surprised by this but....

    twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/854059951106424836

    Wonder what he was eating for dessert when he did so?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited April 2017
    It's probably oxymoronic and cretinous to ask this. Do they produce the odd TV programme that inspires activity rather than the passivity of watching other people do things?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Toms said:

    It's probably oxymoronic to suggest this. Do they produce the odd TV programme that inspires activity rather than the passivity of watching other people do things?

    No, that TV format has not been around since the test card.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Toms said:

    It's probably oxymoronic and cretinous to ask this. Do they produce the odd TV programme that inspires activity rather than the passivity of watching other people do things?

    QVC is committed to getting it's viewers to shop. Does that count?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Well duh.. we haven't left yet. :smiley:
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I wish I could say I was surprised by this but....

    https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/854059951106424836

    Now they can do business.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,252
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    You do know deals cannot be made before we leave, though all the groundwork will be done beforehand
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,614
    I didn't realise macron met his wife at school...Where she was his teacher...And he has 7 step grand children at the grand old age of 39.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    edited April 2017
    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Two points of pedantry. Firstly, Fillon is a point behind, not within a point. Secondly, he's also only a point behind Macron. I can't think why Mike focussed on Le Pen.

    I think the likelihood is it will still be Macron v Le Pen but I also think the second most likely outcome now is Fillon v Le Pen, just ahead of Fillon v Macron, I think Melenchon will underperform his polling
    Two other polls put Fillon at a less close 19.5%:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

    If you do fancy Fillon, I'd suggest going for the first round win stakes - you can get 7 there and are basically gambling on a late surge putting him over. If he takes out Le Pen, he simply loses to Macron. I agree that if he takes out Macron, he wins, but that still looks unlikely.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,934
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    RMS Brexitania
  • RepublicanToryRepublicanTory Posts: 563
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I didn't realise macron met his wife at school...Where she was his teacher...And he has 7 step grand children at the grand old age of 39.

    The more you read and hear about him the more you think
    Mmm
    President of France ??

    And if you look at the polls he has plateaued since he became the front runner and the more you look at this the more it looks like Fillion really has a chance of not only getting into R2 but the Elysee

    Utterly ridiculous.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like
    [a href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/a] is the article
    replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".

    That comes out like this:
    this is the article.
    Less bother than going to tinyurl.com.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like "[T href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/T] is the article", replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".
    Yeah, HTML tags are another way to go. It isn't that smartphones can't use the symbols, it's that posting a long link messes up the formatting when the website is viewed on some smartphones.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,194
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    No.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like
    [a href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/a] is the article
    replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".

    That comes out like this:
    this is the article.
    Less bother than going to tinyurl.com.
    I haven't ever had any problems with long links on my phone anyway? Is it a problem with Ios or something?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like "[T href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/T] is the article", replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".
    Yeah, HTML tags are another way to go. It isn't that smartphones can't use the symbols, it's that posting a long link messes up the formatting when the website is viewed on some smartphones.
    I'm going hazard a guess that this isn't why Divvie is using tinyurl.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Theuniondivvie said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    No.
    Ok, I'll just continue to not bother clicking.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    ThreeQuidder said:

    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like
    [a href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/a] is the article
    replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".

    That comes out like this:
    this is the article.
    Less bother than going to tinyurl.com.
    I haven't ever had any problems with long links on my phone anyway? Is it a problem with Ios or something?
    Yes, is an issue with iPhones and iPads.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Theuniondivvie said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    No.
    First rule of rhetoric: consider your audience :)
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like
    [a href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/a] is the article
    replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".

    That comes out like this:
    this is the article.
    Less bother than going to tinyurl.com.
    There's a link option above the comment box. Type the alt text, highlight, click "link" and you get a box to enter the URL - and Vanilla handles the HTML.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    NickPalmer said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Two points of pedantry. Firstly, Fillon is a point behind, not within a point. Secondly, he's also only a point behind Macron. I can't think why Mike focussed on Le Pen.

    I think the likelihood is it will still be Macron v Le Pen but I also think the second most likely outcome now is Fillon v Le Pen, just ahead of Fillon v Macron, I think Melenchon will underperform his polling
    Two other polls put Fillon at a less close 19.5%:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

    If you do fancy Fillon, I'd suggest going for the first round win stakes - you can get 7 there and are basically gambling on a late surge putting him over. If he takes out Le Pen, he simply loses to Macron. I agree that if he takes out Macron, he wins, but that still looks unlikely.
    I don't think he wins the first round, I think if Fillon gets to the runoff it will be by knocking out either Macron or Le Pen to face the other
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    edited April 2017
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    RMS Brexitania
    So Britannia goes from the royal ship for HMQ to the Brexit ship for Liam Fox!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    You do know deals cannot be made before we leave, though all the groundwork will be done beforehand
    He wouldn't feel need to hide a Daily Mirror article behind that tinyurl link if he didn't know.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,934
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like
    [a href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/a] is the article
    replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".

    That comes out like this:
    this is the article.
    Less bother than going to tinyurl.com.
    I haven't ever had any problems with long links on my phone anyway? Is it a problem with Ios or something?
    Yes, is an issue with iPhones and iPads.
    crApple :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    edited April 2017
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Any chance you could post URLs without hiding the source behind tinyurl?
    Could add the name of the publication, but a tinyurl is a good way to avoid the comments crapping out for people on phones. If the link is too long it becomes almost unreadable.
    I haven't got a smartphone, but if they can accept "<" and ">" one can surely use HTML and type something like
    [a href="http://www.some-website.com/index.html"]This[/a] is the article
    replacing "[" and "]" with "<" and ">".

    That comes out like this:
    this is the article.
    Less bother than going to tinyurl.com.
    I haven't ever had any problems with long links on my phone anyway? Is it a problem with Ios or something?
    Yes, is an issue with iPhones and iPads.
    crApple :lol:
    I browse the main site when on my laptop, and through vanilla when I'm on my phone. Simples!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I didn't realise macron met his wife at school...Where she was his teacher...And he has 7 step grand children at the grand old age of 39.

    "In praise of the older woman"..............
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Irrefutable proof that a royal yacht is required.

    'Liam Fox's team travelled 240,000 miles during 35 trips - but have made NO post-Brexit trade deals'

    http://tinyurl.com/kf4zw3j

    Wow ! Enough Air Miles to take a "friend " on holiday !!!!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,822
    For all those of you that may be interested, the BBC radio adaptation of the well written (tho incredibly plagiarised) Stephen Baxter book "Voyage", about an alternate 1980's mission to Mars, can be found in toto on iPlayer. You can find it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lh6t1/episodes/player
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    BudG said:

    This is an interesting one. Le Terrain picked up the Melenchon surge in their previous poll a week or two before all the other polls did.
    Macron 24 (-0.5)
    Melenchon 22 (+2.5)
    Le Pen 21.5 (-2.5)
    Fillon 17.5 (+2)

    https://blog-scanresearch.leterrain.fr/2017/04/17/jl-melenchon-devance-de-peu-m-le-pen/

    It's a good puzzle for sure !
    Hamon voters will definitely switch now. Melenchon for President.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    viewcode said:

    For all those of you that may be interested, the BBC radio adaptation of the well written (tho incredibly plagiarised) Stephen Baxter book "Voyage", about an alternate 1980's mission to Mars, can be found in toto on iPlayer. You can find it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lh6t1/episodes/player

    Thanks, sounds interesting!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited April 2017
    NickPalmer said:


    Two other polls put Fillon at a less close 19.5%:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
    ...

    Quite so. The thread's headline 'new poll has [Fillon] within a point of Le Pen' could just as accurately be 'new Elabe poll has Macron pulling further ahead against Fillon'.

    Overall, Macron and Le Pen still look neck-and-neck in the first round, with Fillon and Mélenchon disputing third place and around three to four points behind the top two.
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