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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,654
    First
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    It is sickening to witness the snivelling, skin crawling, sinister sycophancy from the PB Leaver Trumptons ramp up a level with every passing day. The pathetic, cap-doffing snotty slugs sliming up to the Grade A twat is a truly disgusting spectacle. Eurgh.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,654
    edited January 2017
    Fpt Trudeau at 42% in polls with 13 points lead...similar to Tessy. Hardly losing his lustre.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Lots of Labour MPs tweeting in support of Nadhim Zahawi, and Tory MPs against Trump

    If May doesn't get her act together her approval ratings are in trouble
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    Hoping trump isn't watching bbc one, might give him some ideas for his new torture regime.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    May and Trump, hand in hand, together til the end.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    For all the Hannan fans

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/825458726555488258
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Jonathan said:

    May and Trump, hand in hand, together til the end.

    May should have heeded her own advice - 'engage but beware'.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbclaurak: On landing at Heathrow Number 10 won't add anything to Trump story
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    williamglenn said:

    Jonathan said:

    May and Trump, hand in hand, together til the end.

    May should have heeded her own advice - 'engage but beware'.
    Fools rush in ...
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Scott_P said:

    Lots of Labour MPs tweeting in support of Nadhim Zahawi, and Tory MPs against Trump

    If May doesn't get her act together her approval ratings are in trouble

    Giant Twitterstorm in progress. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/825457688196820995

    When May stonewalled the question on this topic at the Turkish news conference, we don't know how much she knew of Trump's newly-minted executive order. I dare say that she was rather more interested in dealing with policy towards Turkey at the time. Given that she was in Turkey. And ordinarily you would say that another country's immigration and asylum policies were for that other country to determine, would you not?

    Give her time: if she's not in command of all the facts as of yet then she should be later tonight. If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Black_Rook said:

    Scott_P said:

    Lots of Labour MPs tweeting in support of Nadhim Zahawi, and Tory MPs against Trump

    If May doesn't get her act together her approval ratings are in trouble

    Giant Twitterstorm in progress. Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/825457688196820995

    When May stonewalled the question on this topic at the Turkish news conference, we don't know how much she knew of Trump's newly-minted executive order. I dare say that she was rather more interested in dealing with policy towards Turkey at the time. Given that she was in Turkey. And ordinarily you would say that another country's immigration and asylum policies were for that other country to determine, would you not?

    Give her time: if she's not in command of all the facts as of yet then she should be later tonight. If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/825461437090902016
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/825457942916894722
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/825457942916894722

    This makes him qualified for office, surely? :D
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/albertonardelli/status/825463150283735041
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/alison_mcgovern/status/825463229514149889
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Jobabob said:

    It is sickening to witness the snivelling, skin crawling, sinister sycophancy from the PB Leaver Trumptons ramp up a level with every passing day. The pathetic, cap-doffing snotty slugs sliming up to the Grade A twat is a truly disgusting spectacle. Eurgh.

    I don't think that merited carrying over fpt. Presumably you don't either, since you neglected to mark it fpt. The point you need to take on board is that neither the results of UK referendums, nor of US elections, are even slightly correlated with the distribution of your toys between the pram and the ground. Name-calling does not affect the situation either.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    Lets see what happens tomorrow. Marr is on at 9.00 and Sophy at 10.00

    These programmes should be interesting.

    But it is not just Theresa May can you name any leader who has condemned Trump
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/825457942916894722

    This makes him qualified for office, surely? :D
    We appear to have a new favourite for French President on Betfair. Expected it to happen, but thought it would be in reaction to the next poll.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited January 2017
    My last thought before I go to bed. We know that May was closemouthed and secretive at the Home Office. We know that she doesn't respect the news cycle. Her instincts will be to do her diplomacy in private. This is not going to play well with the media who are now (as usual) barking at the moon, because: Trump.

    While I don't agree with William that we're dependent on him being impeached, I think she's going to have to handle this incredibly carefully. First big optics test for May - and she's already been given a failing grade by a lot of people.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/825464495883616256
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,373
    Update from Leeds Central: well, we have managed to elect another Corbynite as CLP secretary, and to round off the evening we passed a policy motion calling for the renationalisation of British Airways.

    More interesting were Hilary's comments on Brexit. He thinks we might have to concede preferential immigration access for EU citizens in order to get the deal we want on the Single Market / Customs Union. He is also concerned about Irish cross-border issues; his committee is off to Dublin and NI to take evidence.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    edited January 2017
    SandyRentool said:

    Update from Leeds Central: well, we have managed to elect another Corbynite as CLP secretary, and to round off the evening we passed a policy motion calling for the renationalisation of British Airways.

    Erm is British Airways a top priority for being government run? I know it got derision, but wider public involvement in the social care sector sounded the best bet, followed by railways and energy. To me BA would rank #949, a couple of places behind Thomas Cook...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,373
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Update from Leeds Central: well, we have managed to elect another Corbynite as CLP secretary, and to round off the evening we passed a policy motion calling for the renationalisation of British Airways.

    Erm is British Airways a top priority for being government run? I know it got derision, but wider public involvement in the social care sector sounded the best bet, followed by railways and energy. To me BA would rank #949, a couple of places behind Thomas Cook...
    Quite!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    How many PBers are at their best after a flight, to compose themselves to deal with a minor kerfuffle?

    Perhaps the media should be told to Foxtrot Oscar, and wait until the morning.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/arjunsethi81/status/825439167366721538
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    Give it a rest
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    Give it a rest
    All May has to do is stand up for British citizens. She needn't criticise the order head on, just say it goes a little too far to achieve its aims.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/arjunsethi81/status/825439167366721538

    I can see the trump response tweet now...Failing NY cabs, always said Uber is the future...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    Give it a rest
    Fools rush in
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,597
    Jobabob said:

    It is sickening to witness the snivelling, skin crawling, sinister sycophancy from the PB Leaver Trumptons ramp up a level with every passing day. The pathetic, cap-doffing snotty slugs sliming up to the Grade A twat is a truly disgusting spectacle. Eurgh.

    Your posts here consist almost universally of malevolent vituperation. You seem like quite a troubled individual, and I pity you.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: So Theresa May has now arrived back from Turkey. Into an enormous shit storm.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    But the pace was 100% set by Trump. Are you suggesting she should have said sorry, too busy now, maybe April (thereby snubbing and angering Trump)? Is that what say Cameron or Miliband would have done if they were now PM?
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    May's great mistake was legging it like a smitten puppy to Washington. Sadly there are enough sycophants on her side and morons in the nonexistent Opposition that she will probably get away with it. But she is a weak, weak, weak PM.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    Give it a rest
    Fools rush in
    Predictable
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    @williamglenn Are you still supporting Trump?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    Jobabob said:

    May's great mistake was legging it like a smitten puppy to Washington. Sadly there are enough sycophants on her side and morons in the nonexistent Opposition that she will probably get away with it. But she is a weak, weak, weak PM.

    You are in the minority
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @malachybrowne: Trump's order implemented at Irish airports with US pre-clearance. Nationals of those countries also told not to turn up for visa interviews
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,373
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    Has TSE been banned from the US?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    But the pace was 100% set by Trump. Are you suggesting she should have said sorry, too busy now, maybe April (thereby snubbing and angering Trump)? Is that what say Cameron or Miliband would have done if they were now PM?
    You're not telling me Downing Street wasn't active in pushing for an early meeting? It obviously riled them that Farage was lording his good relationship with Trump over them.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    People who think that May shouldn't have accepted a visit with our #1 military partner, our #1 intelligence partner, our #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market (yes, pedants, individual countries) are, frankly, fuckwits.

    Night all.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    Give her ten f****** minutes! It's ten o'clock, she just needs something out for when people wake up tomorrow.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: So Theresa May has now arrived back from Turkey. Into an enormous shit storm.

    That is the role of a Prime Minister.

    Have you ever suffered jetlag. You can hardly stand up after long transatlantic flights let alone think clearly.

    See what happens in the morning
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Jobabob said:

    May's great mistake was legging it like a smitten puppy to Washington. Sadly there are enough sycophants on her side and morons in the nonexistent Opposition that she will probably get away with it. But she is a weak, weak, weak PM.

    The suggestion that she could or should have declined the invitation or proposed a later date is a non-starter.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    John_M said:

    People who think that May shouldn't have accepted a visit with our #1 military partner, our #1 intelligence partner, our #1 bilateral investment partner and #1 export market (yes, pedants, individual countries) are, frankly, fuckwits.

    Night all.

    Harsh, but fair.

  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    But the pace was 100% set by Trump. Are you suggesting she should have said sorry, too busy now, maybe April (thereby snubbing and angering Trump)?
    Just "no thanks". What if he asked her to stick her head in the gas oven? Or back Scottish independence?
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    So the US citizen who is currently the British foreign secretary has nothing to say? Or is Alan Duncan responsible for British relations with the US given Mophead's conflict of interest?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Another hand-wringing leftie ...
    https://twitter.com/heidiallen75/status/825466030726189056
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    Perhaps they are trying to find out from Trump if his XO is being interpreted correctly? And it being Saturday night trump at the moment unavailable as he is preparing to get angry at SNL and send out some zinger tweets.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    She was right to go. It remains to be seen whether or not she can have any positive influence on Trump, but it's necessary to try. And the visit to the Congressional Republicans went well. That said...
    John_M said:

    My last thought before I go to bed. We know that May was closemouthed and secretive at the Home Office. We know that she doesn't respect the news cycle. Her instincts will be to do her diplomacy in private. This is not going to play well with the media who are now (as usual) barking at the moon, because: Trump.

    While I don't agree with William that we're dependent on him being impeached, I think she's going to have to handle this incredibly carefully. First big optics test for May - and she's already been given a failing grade by a lot of people.

    She's not going to be able to get away with diving and downing periscope on this one - and questioning discrimination against British dual nationals would not only be the right thing to do under the circumstances, it's also the best option politically. At least if she has to do something that could annoy Trump, she'll also be demonstrating to the audience at home that she's not in his pocket.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    Shame on this weak Prime Minister when echoes of the 1930's are clearly audible.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,403
    Scott_P said:

    Lots of Labour MPs tweeting in support of Nadhim Zahawi, and Tory MPs against Trump

    If May doesn't get her act together her approval ratings are in trouble

    If Theresa is damaged by this, then all the blame will have to be laid at Farage's door. He spooked Theresa into this who-can-meet-Trump-first contest with that silliness in the lift. They should have let Trump bed in for a few months so everyone could acclimatise to him. Instead Theresa is looking like a Trump courtier. She is in danger of losing her reputation for cool detachment.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Black_Rook said:

    She was right to go. It remains to be seen whether or not she can have any positive influence on Trump, but it's necessary to try. And the visit to the Congressional Republicans went well. That said...

    @GuardianHeather: Also May used (excellent) Philadelphia speech to set UK and US up as defenders of liberty and rights.

    She dug herself a giant hole, dived in with both feet, now claiming no ladder required...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    Dromedary said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    But the pace was 100% set by Trump. Are you suggesting she should have said sorry, too busy now, maybe April (thereby snubbing and angering Trump)?
    Just "no thanks". What if he asked her to stick her head in the gas oven? Or back Scottish independence?
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    So the US citizen who is currently the British foreign secretary has nothing to say? Or is Alan Duncan responsible for British relations with the US given Mophead's conflict of interest?
    Grow up
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    But the pace was 100% set by Trump. Are you suggesting she should have said sorry, too busy now, maybe April (thereby snubbing and angering Trump)? Is that what say Cameron or Miliband would have done if they were now PM?
    You're not telling me Downing Street wasn't active in pushing for an early meeting? It obviously riled them that Farage was lording his good relationship with Trump over them.
    Again, a non-starter of a suggestion. Not a scrap of evidence for it, and no reason to believe the approach would have worked. And actually too dangerous to try, because Trump in a bad mood would be more than capable of tweeting his rejection of the approach.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbclaurak: Corbyn-'May should have stood up for Britain and our values by condemning his actions. It should sadden our country that she chose not to'
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Scott_P said:

    @malachybrowne: Trump's order implemented at Irish airports with US pre-clearance. Nationals of those countries also told not to turn up for visa interviews

    Has the whole nationals/country of birth thing been clarified?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Dromedary said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    Not rushed to visit the White House so quickly.
    But the pace was 100% set by Trump. Are you suggesting she should have said sorry, too busy now, maybe April (thereby snubbing and angering Trump)?
    Just "no thanks". What if he asked her to stick her head in the gas oven? Or back Scottish independence?
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    So the US citizen who is currently the British foreign secretary has nothing to say? Or is Alan Duncan responsible for British relations with the US given Mophead's conflict of interest?
    Grow up
    +1
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jobabob said:

    May's great mistake was legging it like a smitten puppy to Washington. Sadly there are enough sycophants on her side and morons in the nonexistent Opposition that she will probably get away with it. But she is a weak, weak, weak PM.

    You are in the minority
    Yep. Just like Trump supporters in the United States. Your point is?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @malachybrowne: Trump's order implemented at Irish airports with US pre-clearance. Nationals of those countries also told not to turn up for visa interviews

    Has the whole nationals/country of birth thing been clarified?
    Yeah, it was definitely Hawaii.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @malachybrowne: Trump's order implemented at Irish airports with US pre-clearance. Nationals of those countries also told not to turn up for visa interviews

    Has the whole nationals/country of birth thing been clarified?
    Yeah, it was definitely Hawaii.
    Oh you!
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    Also, re the previous thread: pleased to see the reaction to comments regarding Lee Rigby's murderers being Black. But I do find it odd that some PBers seem to see being in an interracial relationship as being some sort of litmus test for integration. There are plenty of immigrants, such as my grandparents on my mother's side (Jamacian immigrants) who have integrated while being married to people of the same race.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Scott_P said:

    Lots of Labour MPs tweeting in support of Nadhim Zahawi, and Tory MPs against Trump

    If May doesn't get her act together her approval ratings are in trouble

    If Theresa is damaged by this, then all the blame will have to be laid at Farage's door. He spooked Theresa into this who-can-meet-Trump-first contest with that silliness in the lift. They should have let Trump bed in for a few months so everyone could acclimatise to him. Instead Theresa is looking like a Trump courtier. She is in danger of losing her reputation for cool detachment.
    Nigel Farage holds no public office other than as an MEP. He can meet who he likes. A prime minister should be responsible for their own actions.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/albertonardelli/status/825468939555717121
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    This is week one. This ban will be clarified, Trump will back-peddle, say it was all misinterpreted, and we'll move on. Then something else will happen and then something else and then something else. And each time we'll see that photo of Trump and May hand in hand.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    Jobabob said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jobabob said:

    May's great mistake was legging it like a smitten puppy to Washington. Sadly there are enough sycophants on her side and morons in the nonexistent Opposition that she will probably get away with it. But she is a weak, weak, weak PM.

    You are in the minority
    Yep. Just like Trump supporters in the United States. Your point is?
    Indeed. While he obviously won the electoral college, it's important to remember that most of the American electorate voted for Hilary Clinton. Then there are his dire approval ratings.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Did anyone notice Tezza in the US saying she would speak to her fellow leaders in Europe?

    She will be lonely...
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
    She was a model of icy distance compared to Blair Brown and Cameron's respective feats of rectal mountaineering with their respective POTUSes.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    SouthamObserver said:

    This is week one. This ban will be clarified, Trump will back-peddle, say it was all misinterpreted, and we'll move on. Then something else will happen and then something else and then something else. And each time we'll see that photo of Trump and May hand in hand.

    Yes, no doubt it'll be posted on here ad nauseam :p
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @OwenJones84: I now have four British friends banned from entering the United States, abandoned by their own government
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/jpags/status/825469177242800128
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Jobabob said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jobabob said:

    May's great mistake was legging it like a smitten puppy to Washington. Sadly there are enough sycophants on her side and morons in the nonexistent Opposition that she will probably get away with it. But she is a weak, weak, weak PM.

    You are in the minority
    Yep. Just like Trump supporters in the United States. Your point is?
    Indeed. While he obviously won the electoral college, it's important to remember that most of the American electorate voted for Hilary Clinton. Then there are his dire approval ratings.
    When I see the word most, I think it'd be something like 70%, or 80%. Not 48% ;)
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @malachybrowne: Trump's order implemented at Irish airports with US pre-clearance. Nationals of those countries also told not to turn up for visa interviews

    Has the whole nationals/country of birth thing been clarified?
    Yeah, it was definitely Hawaii.
    Fake news. Sad
  • isamisam Posts: 42,608
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Also, re the previous thread: pleased to see the reaction to comments regarding Lee Rigby's murderers being Black. But I do find it odd that some PBers seem to see being in an interracial relationship as being some sort of litmus test for integration. There are plenty of immigrants, such as my grandparents on my mother's side (Jamacian immigrants) who have integrated while being married to people of the same race.

    I know someone who smoked like a chimney but lived to 100 so smoking isn't necessarily linked to bad health
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,202
    I think everyone needs to calm down and get a good night.

    It hasn't featured on tomorrows papers apart from the Observer and is still ongoing news.

    Reserve your judgements until tomorrow and see how the story evolves.

    Remember the Trident test problem when everyone rushed to blame Theresa May when after a few days it turned out it was Obama who had asked Cameron too treat it as classified as it was a US missile failure

    Hope everyone gets a good night's sleep
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/825469205415882752
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
    She was a model of icy distance compared to Blair Brown and Cameron's respective feats of rectal mountaineering with their respective POTUSes.
    I'd imagine Cameron at least would have dealt far better with the situation. Sure I recall both he and Osborne making their views on Trump very clear.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    Shame on this weak Prime Minister when echoes of the 1930's are clearly audible.
    You have to go back several decades to find a weaker Tory PM than Theresa May. She capitulated to the Tory Right within weeks of coming to power then brown-nosed a bigoted moron in the White House soon after. Sir John Major and David Cameron look like lionhearts compared to her.

    Only Corbyn is keeping her from being in deep trouble. Her support is a mile wide, and a millimetre deep.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @cbsMcCormick: CBS News: US AMB to Iraq has warned Trump Adm the Iraqi Government is considering banning all American passport holders entry to the country
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/825469205415882752

    Are Trump's actions unconstitutional? Arguable?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,165
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Number 10, Home Office and Foreign Office declining to comment on Trump ban impacting Brits. Uh oh.

    Shame on this weak Prime Minister when echoes of the 1930's are clearly audible.
    https://twitter.com/notafrododo/status/825135762295422976
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/825471015824216065
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited January 2017
    SouthamObserver said:

    This is week one. This ban will be clarified, Trump will back-peddle, say it was all misinterpreted, and we'll move on. Then something else will happen and then something else and then something else. And each time we'll see that photo of Trump and May hand in hand.

    This is where the media keep making the same mistake. They have got right at this, total outrage, when there is still elements which aren't clear. Then when Trump "clarifies" he is able to claim fake news media.

    We know they have to deal with the lying and slippery moves / backtracking etc, but they have already been caught this week on the wrong end of the "mass resignation" story.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/825471015824216065

    Vomit.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jobabob said:

    Are Trump's actions unconstitutional? Arguable?

    There is already at least 1 legal case that argues it is unconstitutional
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,373
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/jpags/status/825469177242800128

    Trump will clearly have to build a northern border wall now to stop folks sneaking in through the back door.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    isam said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Also, re the previous thread: pleased to see the reaction to comments regarding Lee Rigby's murderers being Black. But I do find it odd that some PBers seem to see being in an interracial relationship as being some sort of litmus test for integration. There are plenty of immigrants, such as my grandparents on my mother's side (Jamacian immigrants) who have integrated while being married to people of the same race.

    I know someone who smoked like a chimney but lived to 100 so smoking isn't necessarily linked to bad health
    Being pro-interracial relationships used to be about letting others date whoever they wanted to. Not about proving how much you identify with Britain. And I say as someone who is mixed race.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Jobabob said:

    It is sickening to witness the snivelling, skin crawling, sinister sycophancy from the PB Leaver Trumptons ramp up a level with every passing day. The pathetic, cap-doffing snotty slugs sliming up to the Grade A twat is a truly disgusting spectacle. Eurgh.

    Basically they are racists! Trump is their hero. They have finally found a voice.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    midwinter said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
    She was a model of icy distance compared to Blair Brown and Cameron's respective feats of rectal mountaineering with their respective POTUSes.
    I'd imagine Cameron at least would have dealt far better with the situation. Sure I recall both he and Osborne making their views on Trump very clear.
    I don't think so. I'd have thought the trip to the States would have been much the same, albeit a bit frostier, and without the whole "holding hands" thing to distract. Maybe Cameron would have had a statement out, but not a substantive one. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this situation can't resolved in fifteen minutes?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    This is week one. This ban will be clarified, Trump will back-peddle, say it was all misinterpreted, and we'll move on. Then something else will happen and then something else and then something else. And each time we'll see that photo of Trump and May hand in hand.

    This is where the media keep making the same mistake. They have got right at this, total outrage, when there is still elements which aren't clear. Then when Trump "clarifies" he is able to claim fake news media.

    We know they have to deal with the lying and slippery moves / backtracking etc, but they have already been caught this week on the wrong end of the "mass resignation" story.
    I wasn't following, what wasn't true in the resignation story?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/825470999483252736

    Exactly. We haven't long to find out. That said...

    https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/825095953648644101

    It remains to be seen, but this could turn into her bacon sandwich moment. Only rather less trivial.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    surbiton said:

    Jobabob said:

    It is sickening to witness the snivelling, skin crawling, sinister sycophancy from the PB Leaver Trumptons ramp up a level with every passing day. The pathetic, cap-doffing snotty slugs sliming up to the Grade A twat is a truly disgusting spectacle. Eurgh.

    Basically they are racists! Trump is their hero. They have finally found a voice.
    Moderators. Please remove the above post. Ta.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    midwinter said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
    She was a model of icy distance compared to Blair Brown and Cameron's respective feats of rectal mountaineering with their respective POTUSes.
    I'd imagine Cameron at least would have dealt far better with the situation. Sure I recall both he and Osborne making their views on Trump very clear.
    Cameron would never have got himself into this position, he would have triangulated effectively and professionally. She just looks like a hand holding shill.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    midwinter said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
    She was a model of icy distance compared to Blair Brown and Cameron's respective feats of rectal mountaineering with their respective POTUSes.
    I'd imagine Cameron at least would have dealt far better with the situation. Sure I recall both he and Osborne making their views on Trump very clear.
    I don't think so. I'd have thought the trip to the States would have been much the same, albeit a bit frostier, and without the whole "holding hands" thing to distract. Maybe Cameron would have had a statement out, but not a substantive one. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this situation can't resolved in fifteen minutes?
    Yeah No 10 would be very wise to actually say something on this issue, Even if it is to disagree with Trump, which May said she would do in public if necessary. Doubly so if British citizens without any other nationality are being banned.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    Jobabob said:

    Are Trump's actions unconstitutional? Arguable?

    There is already at least 1 legal case that argues it is unconstitutional
    No Executive order can override laws passed by Congress. Since Green card is issued based on US Federal law, any ban on them is unconstitutional.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Jobabob said:

    midwinter said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Black_Rook said:

    If by tomorrow lunchtime there's no response, or no appropriate response at any rate, on this subject then, by all means, go to town.

    She's snookered herself. If she gives an appropriate response she destroys the goodwill she's created with Trump. If she doesn't then she loses credibility at home. Her strategy now fully depends on Trump being impeached.
    What should she have done differently?
    She should have maintained a distance and not try to give an enthusiastic impression about their meeting. Always use the long spoon when you sup with the devil !
    She was a model of icy distance compared to Blair Brown and Cameron's respective feats of rectal mountaineering with their respective POTUSes.
    I'd imagine Cameron at least would have dealt far better with the situation. Sure I recall both he and Osborne making their views on Trump very clear.
    Cameron would never have got himself into this position, he would have triangulated effectively and professionally. She just looks like a hand holding shill.
    Just like he triangulated effectively and professionally the 'renegotiation'?

    *innocent face*
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