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@Anorak
Is it in any way related to all that difficulty over Eric Joyce's successor in Falkirk, or is it just a coincidence?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/trade-union-threatens-to-shut-scotlands-only-oil-refinery-over-staff-suspension.217109440 -
Right, got it, thanks:Life_ina_market_town said:@RichardNabavi
As soon as a regulator is recognised by the Recognition Panel established under the draft Royal Charter, sections 34 to 42 of the Crime and Courts Act 2013 will enter into force, which will have a punitive effect in damages and costs on non-regulated newspapers.
42 (2)“Approved regulator” means a body recognised as a regulator of relevant publishers.
(3)For the purposes of subsection (2), a body is “recognised” as a regulator of relevant publishers if it is so recognised by any body established by Royal Charter (whether established before or after the coming into force of this section) with the purpose of carrying on activities relating to the recognition of independent regulators of relevant publishers.
So, no new legislation required, although I'd have thought the lawyers will be looking for highways and byways through which coaches and horses can be driven.0 -
O'Bunnies can and WILL go to France.....Neil said:
Shush! DO you want him to reduce JohnO's drinking fund pro rata?!Anorak said:
€39,000 less agent's commission and 45% tax, I assume. Still, not an untidy return...SeanT said:THE DUTCH AUCTION HAS CLOSED, THE DUTCH AUCTION HAS CLOSED.
The final bid was €18,000. Twice as much as we hoped.
Heh.
So far today I have made minimum €39,000. The six way German auction is ongoing.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE GLOATING POSTS ARE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED UNDER THE PRIOR AGREEMENT I MADE WITH JOHN 0.
With a £50 tab behind the bar JohnO might make it all the way to France this time.
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Oborne, fresh from praising Ed, moves on to his next un-Telegraphish piece:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100241007/sergey-lavrov-an-essential-new-voice-has-emerged-in-world-affairs/0 -
"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public."0
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And a plug for PB here:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100240936/ukip-isnt-going-away/0 -
If you are facing 45% tax, time to look at your pension annual allowances for this year and previous 3 yrs & consider some serious lumpsumming with your humble advisers.... if doing a Ken Livingstone and have a Ltd company then similarly might be looking at some large employer contributions as an alternative but same calcs....Anorak said:
€39,000 less agent's commission and 45% tax, I assume. Still, not an untidy return...SeanT said:THE DUTCH AUCTION HAS CLOSED, THE DUTCH AUCTION HAS CLOSED.
The final bid was €18,000. Twice as much as we hoped.
Heh.
So far today I have made minimum €39,000. The six way German auction is ongoing.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE GLOATING POSTS ARE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED UNDER THE PRIOR AGREEMENT I MADE WITH JOHN 0.
IHT = Great stuff by the way.... haven't said that for a while but the freezing of the NRB is most business-friendly, thank you George.0 -
It's interesting, as these provisions were introduced by way of amendments on consideration (the government being too haphazard and intolerant of Parliamentary scrutiny to have them approved in a second reading debate) that no statement has been made under section 19(1)(a) of the Human Rights Act 1998 in relation to sections 34 to 42.RichardNabavi said:Right, got it, thanks:
42 (2)“Approved regulator” means a body recognised as a regulator of relevant publishers.
(3)For the purposes of subsection (2), a body is “recognised” as a regulator of relevant publishers if it is so recognised by any body established by Royal Charter (whether established before or after the coming into force of this section) with the purpose of carrying on activities relating to the recognition of independent regulators of relevant publishers.
So, no new legislation required, although I'd have thought the lawyers will be looking for highways and byways through which coaches and horses can be driven.
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Press tell new regulator to do one.
Luvvy darling gets offended by story
Tries to claim big fine.
Lawyers get rich...0 -
The Indie on coalition tensions on green energy taxes:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-risks-coalition-ire-with-green-taxes-review-8874797.html
Sounds like a good GE differentiator.....0 -
Golly
Liberty GB @Liberty_GB
"Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll are the bravest, most honourable men I have ever known." - Paul Weston, Liberty GB goo.gl/oeyvZT0 -
A Libertarian Rebel @A_Liberty_RebelTGOHF said:Press tell new regulator to do one.
Luvvy darling gets offended by story
Tries to claim big fine.
Lawyers get rich...
In a liberal democracy, the evening news headlines: "the main political parties have agreed a deal on how to regulate the press" Shameful0 -
120 UK Nobel Prize laureates now. That really is pretty impressive.0
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It's entirely related to that.dr_spyn said:@Anorak
Is it in any way related to all that difficulty over Eric Joyce's successor in Falkirk, or is it just a coincidence?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/trade-union-threatens-to-shut-scotlands-only-oil-refinery-over-staff-suspension.217109440 -
BNP lite applauds BNP lite - quelle surprise.Plato said:Golly
Liberty GB @Liberty_GB
"Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll are the bravest, most honourable men I have ever known." - Paul Weston, Liberty GB goo.gl/oeyvZT
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"An MP gets in touch to say it’s not fair to call it a politicians’ charter, as this stitch-up was agreed without consulting most politicians and will not be put to a vote. So a deal between the leadership of the three Westminster parties."Scott_P said:@FraserNelson: What part of 'no' don't they understand? My thoughts on the latest politicians' proposal for licensing the press: http://t.co/YIL0m2dkZU
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A reader's comment for Polly's vile article in the Guardian:
"This is pathetic click bait. I much prefer the better written and much more accurate exponent of the art Sean Thomas over at the Telegraph. People would be wise to abandon this sinking ship and go over there to see how it should be done."
Its quite appropriate she calls herself Polly, as that's a name associated with parrots, and as we know there's nothing as sick as a parrot. Toynbee is one sick minded bitch.
Didn't Cameron once describe the disgusting Toynbee as his 'favourite columnist' ?
If so that by itself explains why he's never going to give a SeanT style denounciation of Labour.
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I think he was being sarcastic...another_richard said:Didn't Cameron once describe the disgusting Toynbee as his 'favourite columnist' ?
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Can the PB Help-to-Buyers justify crap savings rates, then?0
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95% mortgages = asking for trouble debt-wise0
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"This is pathetic click bait. I much prefer the better written and much more accurate exponent of the art Sean Thomas over at the Telegraph. People would be wise to abandon this sinking ship and go over there to see how it should be done."
I wonder who might have written that ;-)0 -
Almost, but the tea party tories don't like to be reminded of such things.another_richard said:Didn't Cameron once describe the disgusting Toynbee as his 'favourite columnist' ?
Cameron told: it's time to ditch Churchill
And of course they would rather like to forget that Cammie is full signed up to global warming and not only supports but explicitly campaigned on his green credentials, unlike the kippers. Just like they would prefer not to be reminded that those tories who want OUT of Europe are also far, far closer to the beliefs of UKIP since Cammie (when he finally makes his mind up) will fairly obviously be supporting staying IN.
Polly Toynbee, not Winston, should set Tory social agenda, says adviser
One of David Cameron's key policy advisers will urge the party today to abandon its Churchillian and "out of date" ideas about the welfare state, the Guardian has learned. Greg Clark, who is overhauling the party's approach to poverty at the Tory leader's request, will urge Conservatives to look to the Guardian commentator Polly Toynbee rather than the wartime leader.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/nov/22/uk.conservatives
Makes you wonder why tory backbenchers are so loyal? Oh that's right, they aren't.
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The phrase that' all parties have reached a cross party consensus on the regulation of the press' is quite chilling in a supposed democracy imo0
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How often are newspapers successfully sued for libel?
How many times has each main national paper lost such a case in say the last 10 years?
I think it's a pretty rare event - even if they were subject to punitive damages it may not really matter to them.
Even if they lost say £5m every 2 or 3 years so what?
They would need to be under the threat of losing say £50m to £100m and I doubt in practice that such an amount would ever be awarded - and stand up on appeal etc.0 -
@MikeL
It is provisions relating to the award of costs which will cause more difficulty for the newspapers.0 -
Good on the Spectator for its position, and I say that as someone who rarely reads their work. A lot of what the press has done has been disgraceful, but if its already illegal no more needs be done, and public revulsion at their actions is its own consequence in my view
Even the hint of politicians controlling the industry further, which is what many are clearly salivating about, protests aside, cannot be permitted to stand. The supposed benefits in bringing to heel an industry out of control are not worth the precedent this sort of action would set, even if it is argued the 'regulation' is slight.
I've gone back and forth on the issue a bit, but at present it's as close to disgusted in our country as I've come since the Commons voted for 90 day detention.0 -
Well there will have to be an awful lot of cases to run up costs of £100m.Life_ina_market_town said:@MikeL
It is provisions relating to the award of costs which will cause more difficulty for the newspapers.
I think the papers will just see how it goes. They'll obviously be a bit more careful and take their chances.
They can always join later if they think that is a less worse option.0 -
I thought Tommy Robinsons interview this week was one of the more interesting political events of the week.
TR tends to interview well, and his point is one that resonates. He did well on Monday night on Newsnight. He has left the EDL, because he opposes far right extremism, being anti extremist rather than racist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449542/Tommy-Robinson-quits-leader-EDL.htmlTheuniondivvie said:
BNP lite applauds BNP lite - quelle surprise.Plato said:Golly
Liberty GB @Liberty_GB
"Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll are the bravest, most honourable men I have ever known." - Paul Weston, Liberty GB goo.gl/oeyvZT0 -
Tom Knox ?SouthamObserver said:"This is pathetic click bait. I much prefer the better written and much more accurate exponent of the art Sean Thomas over at the Telegraph. People would be wise to abandon this sinking ship and go over there to see how it should be done."
I wonder who might have written that ;-)0 -
Wrong, for reasons that obviously cannot be discussed on here but even Ian Hislop has conceded when pressed about the mechanics and logistics of enforcement.kle4 said:but if its already illegal no more needs be done
So clear you want to name some names? Or perhaps you mean the press themselves who are so disgusted with the very thought of operating under a legislative backstop they have given back all their profits from the sales of their sister publications in Ireland who operate under one? Like fork they have.kle4 said:Even the hint of politicians controlling the industry further which is what many are clearly salivating about
Some of us are simply tired of the rank hypocrisy displayed by the press on such matters (over decades) but if you really want more of this kind of stupendously foolish situation, and where it will inevitably lead, then be my guest.Peter Jukes @peterjukes 7 Oct
There are far worse things than merely making a PCC that isn't a complete joke with a minor legislative backstop and it was Cameron himself who raised it.
@MartinRowson Dacre still head of current PCC editorial ethics committee. Like King Herod in charge of day care nurseryPrivacy law should be made by MPs, not judges, says David Cameron
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/apr/21/cameron-superinjunctions-parliament-should-decide-law0 -
That, surely, would be dependent on me not reading PB at the dinner table!saddened said:
Are you in line to inherit a mortgage free house from your mother?Sunil_Prasannan said:Help To Buy = giant Ponzi Scheme!
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was amused to read this - albeit several years later.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy
Mussolini paid by M15 to write articles in 1917...paid by Sam Hoare0 -
And of course they would rather like to forget that Cammie is full signed up to global warming and not only supports but explicitly campaigned on his green credentials, unlike the kippers. Just like they would prefer not to be reminded that those tories who want OUT of Europe are also far, far closer to the beliefs of UKIP since Cammie (when he finally makes his mind up) will fairly obviously be supporting staying IN.Mick_Pork said:
Almost, but the tea party tories don't like to be reminded of such things.another_richard said:Didn't Cameron once describe the disgusting Toynbee as his 'favourite columnist' ?
Cameron told: it's time to ditch Churchill
Polly Toynbee, not Winston, should set Tory social agenda, says adviser
One of David Cameron's key policy advisers will urge the party today to abandon its Churchillian and "out of date" ideas about the welfare state, the Guardian has learned. Greg Clark, who is overhauling the party's approach to poverty at the Tory leader's request, will urge Conservatives to look to the Guardian commentator Polly Toynbee rather than the wartime leader.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/nov/22/uk.conservatives
Makes you wonder why tory backbenchers are so loyal? Oh that's right, they aren't.
Don't know whether this has been posted before, but it was announced today that the Red Cross has launched an emergency food aid plan for UK's poor for first time since the war.
Admittedly the story was in the Mirror, but there was a Beeb link.
Cameron and Osborne should be ashamed. And as for Clegg!!!!!!
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FPT RN:
" Now come on, a-r. You're a sensible chap.
Is it really the case that even you, let alone the average man is the street, are so ignorant that you don't understand what a 'financial institution' is? That you think it's some cabal of the rich?
If so, we really are f*cked. "
I know full well what a 'financial institution' is and I don't doubt that my own pension fund now has a few Royal Mail shares in it in addition to the ones I bought myself.
But the distinction between 'financial institutions' themselves and the ordinary pension or life assurance contributions of investors ISN'T well understood by the average person. And that is what I was trying to explain to Charles.
This is where the RM flotation looks bad - its 30% for 'us' and 70% for 'them' in the eyes of the swing voter in the marginal constituency.
Compare with the Thatcher privatisations there were clawbacks so that 'us' gained at the expense of 'them'.
And that's before we get onto the issue of the 'dubious foreigners' aka the sovereign wealth funds.
Really RN there's a vast section of society with beliefs and (mis)understandings which the likes of you, Charles and Avery - not to mention the Cameroons - aren't picking up on.
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Don't know whether this has been posted before, but it was announced today that the Red Cross has launched an emergency food aid plan for UK's poorOldKingCole said:
And of course they would rather like to forget that Cammie is full signed up to global warming and not only supports but explicitly campaigned on his green credentials, unlike the kippers. Just like they would prefer not to be reminded that those tories who want OUT of Europe are also far, far closer to the beliefs of UKIP since Cammie (when he finally makes his mind up) will fairly obviously be supporting staying IN.Mick_Pork said:
Almost, but the tea party tories don't like to be reminded of such things.another_richard said:Didn't Cameron once describe the disgusting Toynbee as his 'favourite columnist' ?
Cameron told: it's time to ditch Churchill
Polly Toynbee, not Winston, should set Tory social agenda, says adviser
One of David Cameron's key policy advisers will urge the party today to abandon its Churchillian and "out of date" ideas about the welfare state, the Guardian has learned. Greg Clark, who is overhauling the party's approach to poverty at the Tory leader's request, will urge Conservatives to look to the Guardian commentator Polly Toynbee rather than the wartime leader.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/nov/22/uk.conservatives
Makes you wonder why tory backbenchers are so loyal? Oh that's right, they aren't.
That's not how the British Red Cross describe it:
"For three days Red Cross volunteers at Tesco stores across the UK will collect food donations and encourage shoppers to buy extra items to give to FareShare.
Fareshare will then redistribute the donations – as well as surplus perishable food from supermarkets and producers – to hundreds of charities such as lunch clubs for older people, women’s refuges and food banks."
http://www.redcross.org.uk/About-us/News/2013/October/Red-Cross-and-FareShare-tackle-hunger-in-the-UK
Fareshare don't mention it at all on their website.
http://www.fareshare.org.uk
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abour History Group @LabourHistory 4m
David Heath becomes 7th LibDem MP (and 2nd this week) to announce they will stand down at the next election: http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-heath-announces-he-will-stand-down-as-an-mp-in-2015-36661.html#utm_source=tweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter …0 -
Attention seeking, right wing demagogue has Damascene moment, displays contrition, gets lots more attention.foxinsoxuk said:I thought Tommy Robinsons interview this week was one of the more interesting political events of the week.
TR tends to interview well, and his point is one that resonates. He did well on Monday night on Newsnight. He has left the EDL, because he opposes far right extremism, being anti extremist rather than racist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449542/Tommy-Robinson-quits-leader-EDL.htmlTheuniondivvie said:
BNP lite applauds BNP lite - quelle surprise.Plato said:Golly
Liberty GB @Liberty_GB
"Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll are the bravest, most honourable men I have ever known." - Paul Weston, Liberty GB goo.gl/oeyvZT
It's in the handbook.
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Artificial "them" & "us" lines being drawn. Kipper tendency?another_richard said:FPT RN:
" Now come on, a-r. You're a sensible chap.
Is it really the case that even you, let alone the average man is the street, are so ignorant that you don't understand what a 'financial institution' is? That you think it's some cabal of the rich?
If so, we really are f*cked. "
I know full well what a 'financial institution' is and I don't doubt that my own pension fund now has a few Royal Mail shares in it in addition to the ones I bought myself.
But the distinction between 'financial institutions' themselves and the ordinary pension or life assurance contributions of investors ISN'T well understood by the average person. And that is what I was trying to explain to Charles.
This is where the RM flotation looks bad - its 30% for 'us' and 70% for 'them' in the eyes of the swing voter in the marginal constituency.
Compare with the Thatcher privatisations there were clawbacks so that 'us' gained at the expense of 'them'.
And that's before we get onto the issue of the 'dubious foreigners' aka the sovereign wealth funds.
Really RN there's a vast section of society with beliefs and (mis)understandings which the likes of you, Charles and Avery - not to mention the Cameroons - aren't picking up on.
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Same place as usual I would have thought.Neil said:@JonathanD
So Osborne's fiscal policies didnt kill growth (according to the stats tim posted) and he allowed more capital spending than Labour planned for.
Where on earth does this leave tim?!0 -
David Heath to stand down in 2015 as LD MP for Somerton & Frome:
http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-heath-announces-he-will-stand-down-as-an-mp-in-2015-36661.html
The Tories' chances of winning the seat must be enormously enhanced by his decision to retire.0 -
I see you're unable to address the point I made.perdix said:
Artificial "them" & "us" lines being drawn. Kipper tendency?another_richard said:FPT RN:
" Now come on, a-r. You're a sensible chap.
Is it really the case that even you, let alone the average man is the street, are so ignorant that you don't understand what a 'financial institution' is? That you think it's some cabal of the rich?
If so, we really are f*cked. "
I know full well what a 'financial institution' is and I don't doubt that my own pension fund now has a few Royal Mail shares in it in addition to the ones I bought myself.
But the distinction between 'financial institutions' themselves and the ordinary pension or life assurance contributions of investors ISN'T well understood by the average person. And that is what I was trying to explain to Charles.
This is where the RM flotation looks bad - its 30% for 'us' and 70% for 'them' in the eyes of the swing voter in the marginal constituency.
Compare with the Thatcher privatisations there were clawbacks so that 'us' gained at the expense of 'them'.
And that's before we get onto the issue of the 'dubious foreigners' aka the sovereign wealth funds.
Really RN there's a vast section of society with beliefs and (mis)understandings which the likes of you, Charles and Avery - not to mention the Cameroons - aren't picking up on.
I also see you're unaware of the irony of a cheerleader like yourself accusing others of 'artificial them and us lines being drawn'.
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Interesting article. Seems like the government tried to increase the price to 350p, but key investors threatened to pull out (ie the book cover declined rapidly). Of course IPOs are always in part a negotiation, but it does suggest the share price is fragile.
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/6d3c7114-329b-11e3-b3a7-00144feab7de.html0 -
@ Mickpork
As I said I've gone back and forth on this issue, I'm not being an apologist for the press, but I have come to think the worst of things as they are are not worth some of the dangers if the current path us taken. And I will freely admit, the approach taken by the Spectator on this has been a lot more convincing for me. Those advocating more substantial change have done a piss poor job of things, as since I despise coming off the fence I would never have done so had they done even a mediocre job of not making what is being proposed, or rather the manner, seem so troubling.
So clear you want to name some names?
Fine, I was guilty of a hyperbolic statement regarding the motivations of those I disagree with - unless no-one else here has ever done the same, I defend this occurence on my part as not unreasonable if used sparingly and ask those criticising such a use if they do not display near daily displays of partisan hyperbolism.
What's that? Absurdly partisan hyperbolic statements are the stock in trade of the majority of the political classes (oh noes, I've employed exagerration again!) and those who comment on it? Well I am surprised.
Attempting an affect of being neutral, objective and above it all can be intolerably smug from those who are so uncertain they remain almost always on the fence, as when I do it, but if the most hyperbolic exagerators try the same tactic of a pretense of neutrality and objectivity, it's just laughable to attempt to criticise the hyperbolic failings of others from that position. There can be no credibility in casting aspertions on tactics one routinely employs oneself.
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So it is acceptable that a newspaper not mixed up in any wrongdoing should be forced to pay the costs of unsuccessful claimants in civil proceedings, because it didn't sign up to a government approved regulator?Mick_Pork said:There are far worse things than merely making a PCC that isn't a complete joke with a minor legislative backstop and it was Cameron himself who raised it.
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@ another_richard
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A_R - I total get that there are people in the media and various opponents of the decision to privatise the RM who are trying to make political capital out of the floation.perdix said:
Artificial "them" & "us" lines being drawn. Kipper tendency?another_richard said:FPT RN:
" Now come on, a-r. You're a sensible chap.
Is it really the case that even you, let alone the average man is the street, are so ignorant that you don't understand what a 'financial institution' is? That you think it's some cabal of the rich?
If so, we really are f*cked. "
I know full well what a 'financial institution' is and I don't doubt that my own pension fund now has a few Royal Mail shares in it in addition to the ones I bought myself.
But the distinction between 'financial institutions' themselves and the ordinary pension or life assurance contributions of investors ISN'T well understood by the average person. And that is what I was trying to explain to Charles.
This is where the RM flotation looks bad - its 30% for 'us' and 70% for 'them' in the eyes of the swing voter in the marginal constituency.
Compare with the Thatcher privatisations there were clawbacks so that 'us' gained at the expense of 'them'.
And that's before we get onto the issue of the 'dubious foreigners' aka the sovereign wealth funds.
Really RN there's a vast section of society with beliefs and (mis)understandings which the likes of you, Charles and Avery - not to mention the Cameroons - aren't picking up on.
It seems that, however, a pretty decent job has been done by the bookrunners - in part this is based on my high personal regard for Rupert HK and Justin A who lead the team. It's too soon to tell for sure.
However - once the political decision to float RM had been made, I find it rather refreshing that we have a government that tries to do the best job from a technical perspective and isn't that worried about the politics of how it appears0 -
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It's designed primarily as a carrot for the new PCC. There are distinct advantages to being in it that they obviously won't get if they are not. If they are fine with a PCC that covers them all designed by the press barons then they shouldn't act surprised that a PCC which isn't is still designed to cover them all and utilises pooled resources for the benefit of them all.Life_ina_market_town said:
So it is acceptable that a newspaper not mixed up in any wrongdoing should be forced to pay the costs of unsuccessful claimants in civil proceedings, because it didn't sign up to a government approved regulator?Mick_Pork said:There are far worse things than merely making a PCC that isn't a complete joke with a minor legislative backstop and it was Cameron himself who raised it.
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