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Lock cartoonists up if they're not with the Trumpian project! (Just kidding).Theuniondivvie said:
How the hell does that cartoon say that the PEOTUS is an imbecile to anyone (thin skinned, paranoid, victimhood seekers excepted)?Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.NickPalmer said:
Um. If emboldening takes the form of swearing at harmless PB contributors, do you think you might go and embolden somewhere else for a bit? I'd say the same if we had identical political views. This is a mostly friendly blog, not a brawl.Patrick said:I think @Patrick got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!
Maybe. Maybe I'm just feeling emboldened by the excellent run of recent political events. Those of us with an instinctive distrust of authoritarian controlling political elites and their contempt for Joe Average have experienced a spiritual liberation. The fear and horror liberal lefties are feeling these days is what the rest of us have been feeling for 40 years. Maybe I'll a thousand 'Deplorable Me' t-shirts printed up. They'd sell well.
Trump is no more of an imbecile than Ceausescu was. He's a very smart guy. He's just insane.0 -
Or maybe I DID just get out of bed on the wrong side today.TheScreamingEagles said:
Patrick must have some Islamist blood in him to get this enraged over a benign cartoon.Theuniondivvie said:
How the hell does that cartoon say that the PEOTUS is an imbecile to anyone (thin skinned, paranoid, victimhood seekers excepted)?Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.NickPalmer said:
Um. If emboldening takes the form of swearing at harmless PB contributors, do you think you might go and embolden somewhere else for a bit? I'd say the same if we had identical political views. This is a mostly friendly blog, not a brawl.Patrick said:I think @Patrick got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!
Maybe. Maybe I'm just feeling emboldened by the excellent run of recent political events. Those of us with an instinctive distrust of authoritarian controlling political elites and their contempt for Joe Average have experienced a spiritual liberation. The fear and horror liberal lefties are feeling these days is what the rest of us have been feeling for 40 years. Maybe I'll a thousand 'Deplorable Me' t-shirts printed up. They'd sell well.
Either that or he's a snowflake
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Sounds sensible - but I'd fully expect a transition deal to prevent the signing of any trade deals (but not negotiation) during the term of the transition.Casino_Royale said:
Sounds to me like the HMG is talking very much about a transition period. I'd imagine they'd like it wrapped up by 2025GE, and go into the 2020GE with Brexit technically achieved.rcs1000 said:
The danger is our desire to have absolutely everything sorted in a two year window. My personal view is that a five to seven year transition period would have been a far more sensible solution, because it would give businesses time to adjust on both sides of the Channel.Casino_Royale said:
Hammond is a smart guy. He's effectively said: you can give us a fair deal, in which case we will stay part of the European family, align our interests with yours, and fully support the EU in its political project. But, if you don't, we'll become an offshore Singapore, siphon off your corporate tax base, and maybe slightly less cooperative in matters of defence and security.John_M said:
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The talk so far has been of a lose-lose economic deal because of the political need for the EU to roger a deserter. But, if that lose-lose economic deal is seen by the EU to have political consequences, then I expect the position could change.
That's why I think, at the end of the day, there will be an ok deal.
Our level of access to the single market will be restricted, and we will have to pay more for it, so the EU can wax-lyrical about its four freedoms, but, outside of that, realpolitik should win out.
I can't think of a single serious trade negotiation that's taken less than five or six years. And then you need to remember that we lose - realistically - six months of our two year window due to elections this year in Europe.
With a transition period off the table, I think the risk of a major investment slowdown in 2017 and 2018 is growing by the day. This will (a) lower our GDP growth at a time when the UK economy is already dangerously over-reliant on consumption, and (b) retard our long-term growth prospects.
After having forecast 1-1.5% growth only last week, I think the risk of us slipping into recession by the end of the year has gone from negligible to meaningful.
That way, they can trumpet the trade deals achieved in the next parliament. I expect very few, if any (possibly NZ/Aus) wrapped up by 2020GE as there will legally be barely 12 months to sort them prior to the dissolution.
One or two NA/Aus style FTAs signed before GE 2025 would make sense.
I'd be very surprised if we ever manage a FTA with the US. I'm not sure it would be in either's interest - and they're already a huge export market for us.0 -
I'm sure those Scottish readers of the Telegraph, Mail, Express etc have had that question asked of them repeatedly. It still couldn't get Leave much more than a third of the vote, or stop UKIP & Farage being a total irrelevance north of the border.Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"0 -
Well I for one am not shocked because it was announced in September. Oh hold on, that was *before* Hillary lost.PlatoSaid said:Well what a shock - video
Boston Bobblehead
Clinton Global Initiative is closing its doors for good after @HillaryClinton LOST & there's no influence to peddle https://t.co/XD50khdmxB
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-19/clinton-global-initiative-ends-run-with-some-of-shine-worn-off0 -
@Pulpstar - don't know what the "proper" value of the pound should be but, if accept the economic forecasts of OECD, PwC and OpenEurope, for a hard Brexit as the UK grows more slowly, but still getting richer overall, then by 2030 the economy might be 29% larger compared to 37%.
So, very crudely, you could argue the pound should be 20% cheaper than its nominal rate, which is probably around the 1.5$/£ mark, and that 1.2$/£ is correct. But I suspect it's lower than its stable value, now, due to the uncertainty. I'd hope to see it at around 1.3-1.35$/£ following a transition deal. Though Lord knows what the global economy will look like by then.
Longer term, it's perfectly possibly the pound becomes a form of safe-haven currency, and could be well above 1.5$/£ again in the 2030s.
Right now, I think Brexit and the Pound are acting as a bit of a Trojan horse for uncertainty in the existing international order, which is probably driving it lower.0 -
Mr Dancer, the men were massacred and the women and children sold into slavery. I suppose one might call that a worst case outcome.
But of course you're right, ultimately it didn't do the Athenians a lot of good.0 -
I'm really looking forward to the next Scottish Indy vote. Next generation - so 2050?Theuniondivvie said:
I'm sure those Scottish readers of the Telegraph, Mail, Express etc have had that question asked of them repeatedly. It still couldn't get Leave much more than a third of the vote. or stop UKIP & Farage being a total irrelevance north of the border.Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
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Worth a lol in anyone's money.DecrepitJohnL said:
Well I for one am not shocked since it was announced in September. Oh hold on, that was *before* Hillary lost.PlatoSaid said:Well what a shock - video
Boston Bobblehead
Clinton Global Initiative is closing its doors for good after @HillaryClinton LOST & there's no influence to peddle https://t.co/XD50khdmxB
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-19/clinton-global-initiative-ends-run-with-some-of-shine-worn-off
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Shenanigans in Stormont latest: Paul Givan fresh from finding £50k in his sofa for the Irish-learners has found £7m for street smartening in Lisburn (his constituency) and Enniskillen (Arlene's).
Fancy that!0 -
I think there is a misunderstanding here.
If you are a whistleblower, you accept that what you are doing is misconduct, in this case gross misconduct. What you are saying is that because of X, Y and Z you cannot nevertheless be dismissed.0 -
No more pizza's ?DecrepitJohnL said:
Well I for one am not shocked because it was announced in September. Oh hold on, that was *before* Hillary lost.PlatoSaid said:Well what a shock - video
Boston Bobblehead
Clinton Global Initiative is closing its doors for good after @HillaryClinton LOST & there's no influence to peddle https://t.co/XD50khdmxB
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-19/clinton-global-initiative-ends-run-with-some-of-shine-worn-off
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On topic, I don't see why anyone would be cross about the cartoon, but it is a bit crap. What happened to Marf?0
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I remain to be convinced that this "cartoonist" could portray anything that looked like an identifiable human, still less the Prophet....TheScreamingEagles said:
Patrick must have some Islamist blood in him to get this enraged over a benign cartoon.Theuniondivvie said:
How the hell does that cartoon say that the PEOTUS is an imbecile to anyone (thin skinned, paranoid, victimhood seekers excepted)?Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.NickPalmer said:
Um. If emboldening takes the form of swearing at harmless PB contributors, do you think you might go and embolden somewhere else for a bit? I'd say the same if we had identical political views. This is a mostly friendly blog, not a brawl.Patrick said:I think @Patrick got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!
Maybe. Maybe I'm just feeling emboldened by the excellent run of recent political events. Those of us with an instinctive distrust of authoritarian controlling political elites and their contempt for Joe Average have experienced a spiritual liberation. The fear and horror liberal lefties are feeling these days is what the rest of us have been feeling for 40 years. Maybe I'll a thousand 'Deplorable Me' t-shirts printed up. They'd sell well.
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A good point. Congress vs Trump will be the order of the day by looks of things. He doesn't have any political capital there, thanks in part to some of the people he has insulted being in key position (e.g. 'liddle' Marco).SouthamObserver said:German government responds to Trump's BMW threats:
https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/820926817485852672
We are going to see the famed 'balance of powers' tested to its limits in next couple of years I suspect.0 -
In the past 30 years , the trading range has been between $1.05 and $2.00 (approx) so I expect that to continue for the next 30 (unless we declare war on the US)Casino_Royale said:@Pulpstar - don't know what the "proper" value of the pound should be but, if accept the economic forecasts of OECD, PwC and OpenEurope, for a hard Brexit as the UK grows more slowly, but still getting richer overall, then by 2030 the economy might be 29% larger compared to 37%.
So, very crudely, you could argue the pound should be 20% cheaper than its nominal rate, which is probably around the 1.5$/£ mark, and that 1.2$/£ is correct. But I suspect it's lower than its stable value, now, due to the uncertainty. I'd hope to see it at around 1.3-1.35$/£ following a transition deal. Though Lord knows what the global economy will look like by then.
Longer term, it's perfectly possibly the pound becomes a form of safe-haven currency, and could be well above 1.5$/£ again in the 2030s.
Right now, I think Brexit and the Pound are acting as a bit of a Trojan horse for uncertainty in the existing international order, which is probably driving it lower.0 -
Ah well! You're actually alienating people who normally agree with you, as you may have noticed. Carry on! The "you're evil or stupid" meme is tedious but not the preserve of lefties (cf. SeanT and your good self).Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.
Incidentally, I don't think we know yet what sort of President Trump will be. I suspect he will turn out more pragmatic, and probably in some respects liberal, than people respectively hope or fear. Whether he'll be able to carry Congress if he is may be a different question - the combination of partisan Democrats and dubious Republicans may prove difficult to overcome. I think he's a bit dim not to realise that and start building bridges, but he's won so he's entitled to try whatever he thinks will work.0 -
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"0 -
An average of the Opinium, Survation and Yougov polls we have seen in the last few days suggests a Tory lead of circa 10% . That would imply a Tory majority of circa 40.0
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Through the EU's EAC free trade agreement, there is already free trade between the EU and Burundi.williamglenn said:
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"0 -
Interesting article in yesterday's Sunday Times by Nial Fergusan, asking whether the Left will be able to cope if Trump's policies actually turn out to work.NickPalmer said:
Ah well! You're actually alienating people who normally agree with you, as you may have noticed. Carry on! The "you're evil or stupid" meme is tedious but not the preserve of lefties (cf. SeanT and your good self).Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.
Incidentally, I don't think we know yet what sort of President Trump will be. I suspect he will turn out more pragmatic, and probably in some respects liberal, than people respectively hope or fear. Whether he'll be able to carry Congress if he is may be a different question - the combination of partisan Democrats and dubious Republicans may prove difficult to overcome. I think he's a bit dim not to realise that and start building bridges, but he's won so he's entitled to try whatever he thinks will work.0 -
There's one with South Korea and now Canada too but that didn't stop Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove's 'Change Britain' from claiming these as benefits of leaving the EU.rcs1000 said:
Through the EU's EAC free trade agreement, there is already free trade between the EU and Burundi.williamglenn said:
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"0 -
Who is this Sion Simon that Guido is talking about ?
https://order-order.com/2017/01/16/sion-simon-impersonating-a-brexiteer/0 -
The 'I agree with Nick' voting block is poised to take the lead. The Lib Dems have a credible alternative PM - at some point they should take the opportunity to bring him back.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
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Just imagine if the Tories lost a by-election where they were the favorites.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/820956230399262720
What would that say about Theresa May ?0 -
All administrations solves some things, but in doing so creates new problems. It's the latter that usually creates the oxygen for what comes next. Trump will not be immune from that.rottenborough said:
Interesting article in yesterday's Sunday Times by Nial Fergusan, asking whether the Left will be able to cope if Trump's policies actually turn out to work.NickPalmer said:
Ah well! You're actually alienating people who normally agree with you, as you may have noticed. Carry on! The "you're evil or stupid" meme is tedious but not the preserve of lefties (cf. SeanT and your good self).Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.
Incidentally, I don't think we know yet what sort of President Trump will be. I suspect he will turn out more pragmatic, and probably in some respects liberal, than people respectively hope or fear. Whether he'll be able to carry Congress if he is may be a different question - the combination of partisan Democrats and dubious Republicans may prove difficult to overcome. I think he's a bit dim not to realise that and start building bridges, but he's won so he's entitled to try whatever he thinks will work.
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He passed away in 2015 didn't he?williamglenn said:
The 'I agree with Nick' voting block is poised to take the lead. The Lib Dems have a credible alternative PM - at some point they should take the opportunity to bring him back.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
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That government seldom gain seats at by elections.Pulpstar said:
Just imagine if the Tories lost a by-election where they were the favorites.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/820956230399262720
What would that say about Theresa May ?
Cf The Darlington by election in 19830 -
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On Stargate: there are, apparently, plans for a reboot, following the original film rather than continuing the various TV series.0
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What's the crossover? 'Don't knows' and May?Pulpstar said:
Just imagine if the Tories lost a by-election where they were the favorites.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/820956230399262720
What would that say about Theresa May ?0 -
Jesus, the rule with cartoonists really is: be Matt, or go home. Putting little labels in is the cartoonist's shorthand for "I am crap at this".Scott_P said:0 -
rcs1000 said:
He passed away in 2015 didn't he?williamglenn said:
The 'I agree with Nick' voting block is poised to take the lead. The Lib Dems have a credible alternative PM - at some point they should take the opportunity to bring him back.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
In 2015 Nick Clegg won his own parliamentary constituency seat in Sheffield - despite everything.0 -
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:0 -
Take Back Control, St George's Cross.
http://www.sion-simon.com/
Nothing like stealing rivals' clothes.0 -
It also undermines the credibility of the threat if the EU27 can see that the UK becoming a greater Singapore is not remotely politically possible.Stark_Dawning said:I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.
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Random Monday morning work from home wandering - do many of our exporters source entirely from UK?
Movement away from the GBP is good for the mid-level antiques trade, as most of what is sold is UK sourced. I'm aware we're likely the exception - but would be useful to know how much of an exception....0 -
Does sounds hypocritical from a Labour MEP, but has the benefit of testing the Glassman/Crudas theory of Blue Labour - family, faith, flag and all that.dr_spyn said:Take Back Control, St George's Cross.
http://www.sion-simon.com/
Nothing like stealing rivals' clothes.0 -
We are certainly a long way from that ! Some sign though that the gap has narrowed a bit - certainly when compared with the 17 point gap Yougov was showing in early December!Mortimer said:
Corbynism sweeping the nation!justin124 said:An average of the Opinium, Survation and Yougov polls we have seen in the last few days suggests a Tory lead of circa 10% . That would imply a Tory majority of circa 40.
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Welsh slate mines?Mortimer said:Random Monday morning work from home wandering - do many of our exporters source entirely from UK?
Movement away from the GBP is good for the mid-level antiques trade, as most of what is sold is UK sourced. I'm aware we're likely the exception - but would be useful to know how much of an exception....0 -
You clearly don't understand how to negotiate.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
Put down a marker from a subordinate so his boss can say "well that's not my position and what I hope to avoid,,,, but if I don't do a deal acceptable to people like Hammond, that's the kind of pressure I'll be under".
No different from the pronouncements of various EU leaders...0 -
Any slight improvement is a disaster for Labour as it keeps Corbyn in place for longer.justin124 said:
We are certainly a long way from that ! Some sign though that the gap has narrowed a bit - certainly when compared with the 17 point gap Yougov was showing in early December!Mortimer said:
Corbynism sweeping the nation!justin124 said:An average of the Opinium, Survation and Yougov polls we have seen in the last few days suggests a Tory lead of circa 10% . That would imply a Tory majority of circa 40.
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It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
"To be a success outside the single market, to be attractive to businesses and to investment, we would need to be a European offshore low-cost competitive mecca for companies.
We would have to offset the increased cost of doing business here that leaving brings (in the form of barriers, both tariff and non-tariff, to European trade) by cutting our own costs even more sharply.
We would need to have lower taxes on foreign rich people than the Continent, pay lower wages to unskilled people than elsewhere in Europe and cut public spending further to keep taxes down. We would need to make old people work longer. Oh, and we would need a huge influx of immigrants, both skilled and unskilled, to ensure that we had a very competitive workforce.
We would also need new trade deals to replace the ones we had abandoned. In Europe, for all its faults, corporate interests are balanced by those of workers but in any other trade deal we would need to overlook these. Our regulation would have to be more attractive to corporate elites, not less. It would be vital that corporate lobbying was even more successful than it has been in the past."0 -
Your 500 million EU population includes 65m UK population.williamglenn said:
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"
99% of the world has access to the EU 'single market'. In what circumstances would the EU ban imports from the UK?
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Tory held right up till 2005 I see.TheScreamingEagles said:
That government seldom gain seats at by elections.Pulpstar said:
Just imagine if the Tories lost a by-election where they were the favorites.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/820956230399262720
What would that say about Theresa May ?
Cf The Darlington by election in 19830 -
Darlington was gained by Labour in 1992.Pulpstar said:
Tory held right up till 2005 I see.TheScreamingEagles said:
That government seldom gain seats at by elections.Pulpstar said:
Just imagine if the Tories lost a by-election where they were the favorites.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/820956230399262720
What would that say about Theresa May ?
Cf The Darlington by election in 19830 -
Economic logic can be and often is avoided. We are as likely, if not more, to return to being the dysfunctional 'sick man of Europe', lurching from failed intervention to failed intervention.JonathanD said:
It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:0 -
By Tsar Alan Milburnjustin124 said:
Darlington was gained by Labour in 1992.Pulpstar said:
Tory held right up till 2005 I see.TheScreamingEagles said:
That government seldom gain seats at by elections.Pulpstar said:
Just imagine if the Tories lost a by-election where they were the favorites.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/820956230399262720
What would that say about Theresa May ?
Cf The Darlington by election in 19830 -
I hope you will make the same argument with equal conviction when SindyRef 2 comes around.David_Evershed said:
Your 500 million EU population includes 65m UK population.williamglenn said:
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"
99% of the world has access to the EU 'single market'. In what circumstances would the EU ban imports from the UK?0 -
Panto in Stormont starts from Noon, for anyone who wants to see what truly shambolic pretendy Government looks like.
http://niassembly.tv/live-stream-1/0 -
Nirvana.JonathanD said:
It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
"To be a success outside the single market, to be attractive to businesses and to investment, we would need to be a European offshore low-cost competitive mecca for companies.
We would have to offset the increased cost of doing business here that leaving brings (in the form of barriers, both tariff and non-tariff, to European trade) by cutting our own costs even more sharply.
We would need to have lower taxes on foreign rich people than the Continent, pay lower wages to unskilled people than elsewhere in Europe and cut public spending further to keep taxes down. We would need to make old people work longer. Oh, and we would need a huge influx of immigrants, both skilled and unskilled, to ensure that we had a very competitive workforce.
We would also need new trade deals to replace the ones we had abandoned. In Europe, for all its faults, corporate interests are balanced by those of workers but in any other trade deal we would need to overlook these. Our regulation would have to be more attractive to corporate elites, not less. It would be vital that corporate lobbying was even more successful than it has been in the past."0 -
Interesting post. Thanks.hamiltonace said:Logged on the site to try and get some guidance for what comes next and realise that still no-one knows.
We are a medical device manufacturer making core items such as vasectomy kits that keep the NHS going. Most of what we make is exported and we buy in a lot internationally.
At the ground level you can see how Brexit has added to the chaos of the NHS. Our industry is governed by the MEDDEV a massive tome prepared by the European Parliament. When a change is made industry has a 2 year period to adopt the updated standard. Any change is a massive cost in terms of manpower and external audit fees. We need to comply as the EC is our biggest customer.
So if the UK is to set up its own Medical Device regulatory set up it will need to get someone to assist. We can outsource to USA (no way), Australia (complicated) or maybe Canada. The transition phase will be ... who knows. Who will pay the cost?
The UK is a net importer of medical devices and many core items such as cardiac catheters are almost fully imported. Will we stop procedures until these devices meet the new guidelines?
So what to do? Well like many other companies I am diverting my efforts from supporting NHS customers to international customers and putting my domestic prices up. In the meantime things are good. My staff get less on a global basis. Demand is high and the NHS has nowhere to go when I put my prices up. Sometimes they complain and then I stop supply at which point they come back.
I am not a great believer in EC but I am not sure our politicians understand the difference between what works and what does not. The present crisis in the NHS is probably an inevitable casualty of Brexit. One day it will all settle down but I would say a hard Brexit would create 5 years of chaos. Will Theresa May be honest in her speech?
I would imagine in the aftermath of us leaving we would leave all standards the same as currently - so nothing would change for a good while.0 -
Have you self-reported to the monopolies commission ?hamiltonace said:Demand is high and the NHS has nowhere to go
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BMW would just source car parts in the USA, provide specs for engineering and tool-making firms - and increase the number of jobs in the USA and reduce those in Europe. Foot shoot by Germany.rottenborough said:
A good point. Congress vs Trump will be the order of the day by looks of things. He doesn't have any political capital there, thanks in part to some of the people he has insulted being in key position (e.g. 'liddle' Marco).SouthamObserver said:German government responds to Trump's BMW threats:
https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/820926817485852672
We are going to see the famed 'balance of powers' tested to its limits in next couple of years I suspect.0 -
I’m not sure Charlie Kennedy would have been a good PM. He’d have been a great LoTO, though. If ever someone died of a broken heart, both meanings ........David_Evershed said:rcs1000 said:
He passed away in 2015 didn't he?williamglenn said:
The 'I agree with Nick' voting block is poised to take the lead. The Lib Dems have a credible alternative PM - at some point they should take the opportunity to bring him back.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
In 2015 Nick Clegg won his own parliamentary constituency seat in Sheffield - despite everything.0 -
I keep looking again at the cartoon to see if I have missed something....Theuniondivvie said:
How the hell does that cartoon say that the PEOTUS is an imbecile to anyone (thin skinned, paranoid, victimhood seekers excepted)?Patrick said:
It's NOT harmless Nick. The endless drip drip drip of condescension towards those not in the project is damaging. Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example). Lefties tend to disparage righties by saying 'you're evil or stupid' (most of what comes out of any given lefty's gob). Yes I'm a political nerd as are most on here. Delighted to have a feisty debate about content. Less delighted to start the day with a 'harmless' cartoon saying that the new POTUS is an imbecile just because. He's obviously a smarter guy than all the loser lefties in the USA! Can we please put identity politics and disdain back in their box.NickPalmer said:
Um. If emboldening takes the form of swearing at harmless PB contributors, do you think you might go and embolden somewhere else for a bit? I'd say the same if we had identical political views. This is a mostly friendly blog, not a brawl.Patrick said:I think @Patrick got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning!
Maybe. Maybe I'm just feeling emboldened by the excellent run of recent political events. Those of us with an instinctive distrust of authoritarian controlling political elites and their contempt for Joe Average have experienced a spiritual liberation. The fear and horror liberal lefties are feeling these days is what the rest of us have been feeling for 40 years. Maybe I'll a thousand 'Deplorable Me' t-shirts printed up. They'd sell well.0 -
Yep - this is why I voted Remain. Brexit almost inevitably means a race to the bottom - lower wages, less job security, more public spending cuts, longer working lives.JonathanD said:
It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
"To be a success outside the single market, to be attractive to businesses and to investment, we would need to be a European offshore low-cost competitive mecca for companies.
We would have to offset the increased cost of doing business here that leaving brings (in the form of barriers, both tariff and non-tariff, to European trade) by cutting our own costs even more sharply.
We would need to have lower taxes on foreign rich people than the Continent, pay lower wages to unskilled people than elsewhere in Europe and cut public spending further to keep taxes down. We would need to make old people work longer. Oh, and we would need a huge influx of immigrants, both skilled and unskilled, to ensure that we had a very competitive workforce.
We would also need new trade deals to replace the ones we had abandoned. In Europe, for all its faults, corporate interests are balanced by those of workers but in any other trade deal we would need to overlook these. Our regulation would have to be more attractive to corporate elites, not less. It would be vital that corporate lobbying was even more successful than it has been in the past."
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Finkelstein wrote that as a Remainer not a Leaver. He was campaigning furiously for Remain in his articles.JonathanD said:
It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
"To be a success outside the single market, to be attractive to businesses and to investment, we would need to be a European offshore low-cost competitive mecca for companies.
We would have to offset the increased cost of doing business here that leaving brings (in the form of barriers, both tariff and non-tariff, to European trade) by cutting our own costs even more sharply.
We would need to have lower taxes on foreign rich people than the Continent, pay lower wages to unskilled people than elsewhere in Europe and cut public spending further to keep taxes down. We would need to make old people work longer. Oh, and we would need a huge influx of immigrants, both skilled and unskilled, to ensure that we had a very competitive workforce.
We would also need new trade deals to replace the ones we had abandoned. In Europe, for all its faults, corporate interests are balanced by those of workers but in any other trade deal we would need to overlook these. Our regulation would have to be more attractive to corporate elites, not less. It would be vital that corporate lobbying was even more successful than it has been in the past."0 -
Actually the question you should be asking is whether it is worth having barriers to trade with 93% of the world so that we can have barrier free trade with the 6% in the EU.williamglenn said:
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"0 -
Many are suggesting they should be in order to discourage others from leaving.rcs1000 said:
Are they being beastly to us?Patrick said:I agree. But the price of reacquiring control over our own affairs was never going to be zero. For sure there will be some financial impact in the early years. I don't think most Leave voters thought otherwise. It wasn't really about the money.
It is interesting, though, that the EU side have this morning a couple of nuggets to chew on (Hammond's tax warning and Trump's position). IF they do go for being beastly to us there will be blowback.
Being beastly to us is tantamount to admitting that the EU is a prison. 'Try to leave in a democratic fashion for your own interests and we'll try to screw you' is not the mantra of a winning organisation.
Some politicians have said some things, other politicians have said others. There's been a lot of kite flying, but has anyone really been beastly?0 -
MD, where did that come from? Interested to hear anything about SG but came as a bit of a surpriseMorris_Dancer said:On Stargate: there are, apparently, plans for a reboot, following the original film rather than continuing the various TV series.
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And if the UK were the world's superpower that might be a question worth asking. As we aren't, and the US and China are more protectionist in instinct than the EU, it seems nothing more than a pipe dream.Richard_Tyndall said:
Actually the question you should be asking is whether it is worth having barriers to trade with 93% of the world so that we can have barrier free trade with the 6% in the EU.williamglenn said:
Or an equally unbiased question:Dromedary said:
They should have asked people in ScotlandTheuniondivvie said:
'In hindsight, do you think Britain was right ordr_spyn said:
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave 47%
Wrong to leave 43%'
Hardly the enthusiastic embrace of Leave by pragmatic Remainers that's touted on here.
Otoh in Scotland it's 30-59 which suggests the will of the Scots is fairly settled.
"Do you think unrestricted immigration to Scotland from Romania, Bulgaria and Poland is a price worth paying for Scotland to continue to be able to send 10% of its exports outside of Britain to countries in the EU?"
"Do you think giving up a single market of 500m people is a price worth paying to give Westminster to ability to sign its own trade deal with Burundi?"0 -
It was all for charidee - honest.MarqueeMark said:
Losing the election must have cost Clan Clinton hundreds of millions of dollars in lost "influence" revenues.PlatoSaid said:Well what a shock - video
Boston Bobblehead
Clinton Global Initiative is closing its doors for good after @HillaryClinton LOST & there's no influence to peddle https://t.co/XD50khdmxB0 -
Yes, the US single and common market is large enough to have the scale to be able to provide all of what it needs internally if necessary and resist trade pressure from other nations.weejonnie said:
BMW would just source car parts in the USA, provide specs for engineering and tool-making firms - and increase the number of jobs in the USA and reduce those in Europe. Foot shoot by Germany.rottenborough said:
A good point. Congress vs Trump will be the order of the day by looks of things. He doesn't have any political capital there, thanks in part to some of the people he has insulted being in key position (e.g. 'liddle' Marco).SouthamObserver said:German government responds to Trump's BMW threats:
https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/820926817485852672
We are going to see the famed 'balance of powers' tested to its limits in next couple of years I suspect.
It's strange the Germans don't understand that since so much of the EU common market was about replicating the US single market and provide Europe with the same scale and strength.0 -
Yes and now what he predicted is coming to pass. Hammonds threat to the EU about the UKs future economic model was well received by most of the Leavers on here.Philip_Thompson said:
Finkelstein wrote that as a Remainer not a Leaver. He was campaigning furiously for Remain in his articles.JonathanD said:
It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
"To be a success outside the single market, to be attractive to businesses and to investment, we would need to be a European offshore low-cost competitive mecca for companies.
We would have to offset the increased cost of doing business here that leaving brings (in the form of barriers, both tariff and non-tariff, to European trade) by cutting our own costs even more sharply.
We would need to have lower taxes on foreign rich people than the Continent, pay lower wages to unskilled people than elsewhere in Europe and cut public spending further to keep taxes down. We would need to make old people work longer. Oh, and we would need a huge influx of immigrants, both skilled and unskilled, to ensure that we had a very competitive workforce.
We would also need new trade deals to replace the ones we had abandoned. In Europe, for all its faults, corporate interests are balanced by those of workers but in any other trade deal we would need to overlook these. Our regulation would have to be more attractive to corporate elites, not less. It would be vital that corporate lobbying was even more successful than it has been in the past."0 -
Mr. Rog, it was murmured about some time ago, either last year or even the year before.
There are also plans for a new Farscape film with a following series if it's a success, and a new Star Trek series, due to start filming soon. The Star Trek series is entitled Discovery, producing a rather unfortunate acronym.0 -
Once again, that's not the issue. It's certification.rkrkrk said:I would imagine in the aftermath of us leaving we would leave all standards the same as currently - so nothing would change for a good while.
We can make things to the standard, but they must be certified by an independent and ratified body. Currently in the EU. Replicating that is the problem, not making the widgets.0 -
What's wrong with Subscriber Trunk Dialling?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rog, it was murmured about some time ago, either last year or even the year before.
There are also plans for a new Farscape film with a following series if it's a success, and a new Star Trek series, due to start filming soon. The Star Trek series is entitled Discovery, producing a rather unfortunate acronym.0 -
The flier is even worse..er, sorry..more patriotic.dr_spyn said:Take Back Control, St George's Cross.
http://www.sion-simon.com/
Nothing like stealing rivals' clothes.
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/8209576588071485440 -
Betway go 12/1 Lib Dems in Stoke
Ignoring the Greens its a 95.8% book
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/stoke-on-trent-central-by-election/winning-party0 -
@BBCRobertCooper: Jeremy Corbyn was in Copeland yesterday for a private meeting with party members, but no media told0
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"They can take my dignity, but they can never take my circumflex!"Theuniondivvie said:
The flier is even worse..er, sorry..more patriotic.dr_spyn said:Take Back Control, St George's Cross.
http://www.sion-simon.com/
Nothing like stealing rivals' clothes.0 -
Yes - but in the interim we will presumably just continue to use the EU body and presumably pay them?Scott_P said:
Once again, that's not the issue. It's certification.rkrkrk said:I would imagine in the aftermath of us leaving we would leave all standards the same as currently - so nothing would change for a good while.
We can make things to the standard, but they must be certified by an independent and ratified body. Currently in the EU. Replicating that is the problem, not making the widgets.
Edit - I may have misunderstood. I'm not sure what you mean.0 -
Calling salary caps insane is the politest thing I can think of to say about them.Patrick said:Righties tend to disparage lefties because 'such and such a policy is insane' (salary caps being last weeks' example).
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In other words, as we have no choice they have us over a barrel in the negotiations.rkrkrk said:
Yes - but in the interim we will presumably just continue to use the EU body and presumably pay them?Scott_P said:
Once again, that's not the issue. It's certification.rkrkrk said:I would imagine in the aftermath of us leaving we would leave all standards the same as currently - so nothing would change for a good while.
We can make things to the standard, but they must be certified by an independent and ratified body. Currently in the EU. Replicating that is the problem, not making the widgets.0 -
Sion Simon... didn't he write an article once... I seem to recall
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So it should be. Because we believe in low tax rates encouraging competition and ultimately boosting efficiency and productivity and causing economic growth. Which results in higher tax revenues and higher wages.JonathanD said:
Yes and now what he predicted is coming to pass. Hammonds threat to the EU about the UKs future economic model was well received by most of the Leavers on here.Philip_Thompson said:
Finkelstein wrote that as a Remainer not a Leaver. He was campaigning furiously for Remain in his articles.JonathanD said:
It's the unavoidable economic logic of Brexit - and probably what a few of Leave's wealthier backers were banking on... As Finkelstein wrote before the referendum:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm not sure what Hammond was trying to achieve with his tax-haven remarks. This could be an absolute gift to the Tories' enemies. A Brexit that principally benefits oligarchs and foreign millionaires will still infuriate most of the Remain community, but will any Leavers be particularly enthused either? Seems to me that's it's courting all the political problems of Brexit but none of the benefits. All right, Labour may not be currently equipped to exploit it, but what about the Lib Dems or even UKIP? This has got to go down as the first blot on Hammond's copybook.Scott_P said:
"To be a success outside the single market, to be attractive to businesses and to investment, we would need to be a European offshore low-cost competitive mecca for companies.
We would have to offset the increased cost of doing business here that leaving brings (in the form of barriers, both tariff and non-tariff, to European trade) by cutting our own costs even more sharply.
We would need to have lower taxes on foreign rich people than the Continent, pay lower wages to unskilled people than elsewhere in Europe and cut public spending further to keep taxes down. We would need to make old people work longer. Oh, and we would need a huge influx of immigrants, both skilled and unskilled, to ensure that we had a very competitive workforce.
We would also need new trade deals to replace the ones we had abandoned. In Europe, for all its faults, corporate interests are balanced by those of workers but in any other trade deal we would need to overlook these. Our regulation would have to be more attractive to corporate elites, not less. It would be vital that corporate lobbying was even more successful than it has been in the past."
Fink mistakenly claimed there would be lower revenues and lower wages. That is where he was wrong. We don't believe that and we don't want that. We do want lower tax rates. Look up the Laffer Curve.0 -
I wish they'd bring back The Champions and a real life version of the cartoon CenturiansMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Rog, it was murmured about some time ago, either last year or even the year before.
There are also plans for a new Farscape film with a following series if it's a success, and a new Star Trek series, due to start filming soon. The Star Trek series is entitled Discovery, producing a rather unfortunate acronym.0 -
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Mr. Rog, must admit, never heard of either of those.0
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No, no. Leaving the EU means we won’t pay anything to it, or it’s bodies.rkrkrk said:
Yes - but in the interim we will presumably just continue to use the EU body and presumably pay them?Scott_P said:
Once again, that's not the issue. It's certification.rkrkrk said:I would imagine in the aftermath of us leaving we would leave all standards the same as currently - so nothing would change for a good while.
We can make things to the standard, but they must be certified by an independent and ratified body. Currently in the EU. Replicating that is the problem, not making the widgets.
Edit - I may have misunderstood. I'm not sure what you mean.0 -
read the thread...OldKingCole said:No, no. Leaving the EU means we won’t pay anything to it, or it’s bodies.
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Also I think SG Universe was a complete waste of time and the last series of SG1 likewise. After the goauld were defeated there was no need for a follow on.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rog, it was murmured about some time ago, either last year or even the year before.
There are also plans for a new Farscape film with a following series if it's a success, and a new Star Trek series, due to start filming soon. The Star Trek series is entitled Discovery, producing a rather unfortunate acronym.0 -
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Are you feeling ok?williamglenn said:
The 'I agree with Nick' voting block is poised to take the lead. The Lib Dems have a credible alternative PM - at some point they should take the opportunity to bring him back.TheScreamingEagles said:Crossover soon.
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Well I didn't vote for Brexit...Scott_P said:
So, it's more expensive, we have no input, and the ECJ still calls the shots.rkrkrk said:I would have thought so yes.
Brexit is BRILLIANT!
In the long run I am sure we will be able to set up an alternative regulatory system to replace EU institutions... But in the short to medium term I dont see how we could manage without continuing to use EU stuff to decide on disputes etc.0 -
So we're going to get this unpleasant election. Awful.0
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Mr. Rog, they had planned to end SG-1 after the eighth series, with the two-parter (or maybe it was a TV film, I forget). Then they ended up with two more series before being surprised that the 10th would be the last, so they had to cobble together an ending and then had two TV films to round things off. Little bit stop-start.
Universe was a good idea but half the characters were forgettable the sombre tone really didn't match SG-1 (or the even lighter Atlantis). I think if it had been set in a different sci-fi, er, universe it would've been rather better.
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Well as a matter of fact there are countries outside the EU who pay into it.OldKingCole said:
No, no. Leaving the EU means we won’t pay anything to it, or it’s bodies.rkrkrk said:
Yes - but in the interim we will presumably just continue to use the EU body and presumably pay them?Scott_P said:
Once again, that's not the issue. It's certification.rkrkrk said:I would imagine in the aftermath of us leaving we would leave all standards the same as currently - so nothing would change for a good while.
We can make things to the standard, but they must be certified by an independent and ratified body. Currently in the EU. Replicating that is the problem, not making the widgets.
Edit - I may have misunderstood. I'm not sure what you mean.
But in our specific case - I suspect we will end up paying something k some way or the other.0 -
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@SamCoatesTimes: Snr gvt figures are worried that a UK-US deal will be a "quick win" for Trump but less good for the UK, and they have capacity which we dont0 -
Services will be a big issue here. Are we going to give huge american health companies more access to UK?Scott_P said:0
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