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Up there with the 'basket of deplorables'. How to win voters and influence them - insult them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, it was worse than that. "Little Englanders" was bloody stupid. Imagine if the pro-union side in Scotland had referred to "Little Scotlanders."
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But behind the scenes both Gove and Nick Boles were desperate to make the final two and did a lot to ensure it and went to extraordinary levels (albeit it backfired)Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
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Is it related to this Tech City?taffys said:Who is saying that?
Well for example....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-backs-entrepreneurs-and-investors-at-tech-city
http://life.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/the-failure-of-londons-tech-city/
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reference?Pulpstar said:
"Virgil, quick, come see, there goes Robert E. Lee!"Charles said:@TheScreamingEagles
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For me, the failure of Bush and Rubio to die on the betting markets (despite all the evidence) was by far the most amusing and profitable bets of the year.TheScreamingEagles said:
I reckon when both your father and brother have been President there's an awful lot of pressure on Jeb to succeed.Charles said:Re: Jeb Bush. Never met him but just read an interview with Dana Bash the CNN head of politics where he says he is incredibly charismatic and personable when you meet him - it's just there are "little gremlins in the camera lenses" that kill him on screen (he also hated it, which is why he comes across as nervous)
Back in 2008 I read a piece that had Jeb won Florida in 1994 and George W Bush lost Texas in 1994, then Jeb would have been the GOP nominee in 2000, won, and the world would have been very different.
I laid so much Bush.0 -
Mr. T, quite. Clinton's outburst was demented.0
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I've heard people go on about 'little Englanders' on here but nowhere else. I don't think it actually registered much, not least because it has no novelty. 'Back of the queue' on the other hand really did put people's backs up.MTimT said:
Up there with the 'basket of deplorables'. How to win voters and influence them - insult them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, it was worse than that. "Little Englanders" was bloody stupid. Imagine if the pro-union side in Scotland had referred to "Little Scotlanders."
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JackW had a terrific success last year, though, so is still one to listen to IMHO.Pulpstar said:
Rod Crosby isn't far off becoming a prophet for profit.0 -
Well, once in the contest, making the final two was partly a matter of trying to stop Leadsom, which would have been another fine service to the country. The man's patriotism knows no bounds.TheScreamingEagles said:
But behind the scenes both Gove and Nick Boles were desperate to make the final two and did a lot to ensure it and went to extraordinary levels (albeit it backfired)Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
Plus it would have kept him at the top table.0 -
I suspect it will go down as one of the most misquoted out of context phrases in political history, up there with there's no such thing as society. The polling showed Farage was a voter repellent, which is why Vote Leave tried to hide Farage in a box, and Dave wanted to make Brexit = Farage's vision.MTimT said:
Up there with the 'basket of deplorables'. How to win voters and influence them - insult them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, it was worse than that. "Little Englanders" was bloody stupid. Imagine if the pro-union side in Scotland had referred to "Little Scotlanders."
The full quote is
'We don’t want the Little England of Nigel Farage, we want to be Great Britain’0 -
@SkyNewsBreak: The U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has resigned0
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''Trump's win reminds me a bit of a high jump.''
You could cogently argue that US politics is not much more than a racial numbers game.
I read somewhere that when Trump said make America Great Again, what he meant was Make America White Again.
I don;t think that's too far from the truth.0 -
Implicitly what does that make the people who do want the England of Nigel Farage?TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect it will go down as one of the most misquoted out of context phrases in political history, up there with there's no such thing as society. The polling showed Farage was a voter repellent, which is why Vote Leave tried to hide Farage in a box, and Dave wanted to make Brexit = Farage's vision.MTimT said:
Up there with the 'basket of deplorables'. How to win voters and influence them - insult them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, it was worse than that. "Little Englanders" was bloody stupid. Imagine if the pro-union side in Scotland had referred to "Little Scotlanders."
The full quote is
'We don’t want the Little England of Nigel Farage, we want to be Great Britain’0 -
*Applause*Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has resigned
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One virtue of the outcome is that it's shown that you can't buy American elections after all. Admittedly, the alternative, to say something so outrageous every day that the media give you free coverage, is not very appealing either.GarethoftheVale2 said:
She seems to have spent a ridiculous amount of time in safe Democratic states. Fundraising I guess?0 -
Yep. My view is that Gove sacrificed himself to make sure Boris did not got the top spot. In doing so he did us all a huge service. And personally I think he knew exactly what he was doing and what the consequences would be.Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
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The line about going to bed with Boris and waking up with Nigel was probably better if that was what was trying to be achieved. Calling people "little Englanders" in any sort of context was always bound to backfire. It's a line that Sir Lynton would never have approved of.TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect it will go down as one of the most misquoted out of context phrases in political history, up there with there's no such thing as society. The polling showed Farage was a voter repellent, which is why Vote Leave tried to hide Farage in a box, and Dave wanted to make Brexit = Farage's vision.MTimT said:
Up there with the 'basket of deplorables'. How to win voters and influence them - insult them.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, it was worse than that. "Little Englanders" was bloody stupid. Imagine if the pro-union side in Scotland had referred to "Little Scotlanders."
The full quote is
'We don’t want the Little England of Nigel Farage, we want to be Great Britain’0 -
I'm not knocking any success, God knows we need it, but rivalling silicon valley is a long way off.taffys said:Who is saying that?
Well for example....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-backs-entrepreneurs-and-investors-at-tech-city
More broadly it's good that we have companies like ARM in the UK, with SoftBank paying top whack for them, and Apple and Google establishing major offices in London, but we still have a long way to go in building and sustaining more world class technology companies of our own.0 -
Is he someone who would have resigned on Jan 20th anyway, or does he have a long term contract?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has resigned
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Osborne said something about not fumbling the next leadership election. Given that he did not stand himself, who was Osborne's fumbled champion last time? Did Osborne have a hand in Gove defenestrating Boris, for instance?Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
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Any visit from either candidate to NY, TX and CA are almost always fundraising events.GarethoftheVale2 said:
She seems to have spent a ridiculous amount of time in safe Democratic states. Fundraising I guess?0 -
As I lamented a couple of days ago, we're great at starting up innovative tech companies in the UK and in London, but invariably these all end up in the hands of overseas companies since there is no defence available for owners and directors who may not want to sell up.glw said:
I'm not knocking any success, God knows we need it, but rivalling silicon valley is a long way off.taffys said:Who is saying that?
Well for example....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-backs-entrepreneurs-and-investors-at-tech-city
More broadly it's good that we have companies like ARM in the UK, with SoftBank paying top whack for them, and Apple and Google establishing major offices in London, but we still have a long way to go in building and sustaining more world class technology companies of our own.0 -
Didn't the actual quotation refer to 'the little England of Nigel Farage'? Not really that disparaging to the rest of us.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, it was worse than that. "Little Englanders" was bloody stupid. Imagine if the pro-union side in Scotland had referred to "Little Scotlanders."
Although, interestingly, the phrase was used by Cameron in a rather different context several years before:
We're familiar with some of the arguments. Open your borders. National sovereignty is obsolete. Multilateral relationships are the only ones that matter, bilateral ones are so 20th century. And we're familiar, too, with their frankly patronising approach to those who may disagree. 'You're a Little Englander' they say. 'You don't get the modern world.' This approach - largely pursued under the last Government - didn't feel too good for ordinary people and frankly it didn't do too much for our competitiveness either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10110200/David-Cameron-dont-patronise-little-Englanders-worried-by-immigration.html0 -
Anecdote:taffys said:''Trump's win reminds me a bit of a high jump.''
You could cogently argue that US politics is not much more than a racial numbers game.
I read somewhere that when Trump said make America Great Again, what he meant was Make America White Again.
I don;t think that's too far from the truth.
I was sat on the station the other morning reading Harper Lee's "Go Set a Watchman". A black guy saw what I was reading, came over and said "Nothing's changed, has it?" To me, that summed up Trump's win more than a thousand hours of TV punditry or a thousand pages of newspaper opinion pieces.0 -
Yep, Gove did the job he had to do, in saving us from PM Boris. He'll do a year on the back benches then will come back into government. Government needs brains like Gove.Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
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I believe he was going whoever won. I am fairly sure he was quoted months ago as saying something like counting down the days left after 50 years of service.Sandpit said:
Is he someone who would have resigned on Jan 20th anyway, or does he have a long term contract?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has resigned
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It was when he was offering to keep Osborne as Chancellor that made me think Gove really wants this.Tissue_Price said:
Well, once in the contest, making the final two was partly a matter of trying to stop Leadsom, which would have been another fine service to the country. The man's patriotism knows no bounds.TheScreamingEagles said:
But behind the scenes both Gove and Nick Boles were desperate to make the final two and did a lot to ensure it and went to extraordinary levels (albeit it backfired)Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
Plus it would have kept him at the top table.
That was an attempt to get team Osborne to switch from May to Gove.0 -
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Mr. Dawning, the target may have been Farage but the line was still foolish.
Interesting quote from further back. I wonder if Cameron had forgotten that.0 -
No, I'm going to call you out on this ludicrous nonsense. Cameron did not "wipe out" the LDs - the LDs did it to themselves. It was the inevitable result of the contradiction between the pursuit of influence and the nature of those who had voted for them.TheScreamingEagles said:
You could argue that Dave changed the Tories, drove Labour mad, wiped out the Lib Dems to a near extinction level, brought the SNP and UKIP as major parties in the UK.
*They'll be saying he put party before country if Brexit turns out to be a disaster.
The paradox was simple - many of those who voted LD from 1997-2010 did so not (regrettably) because they had genuine liberal sympathies but because they were either anti-Conservative, anti-Labour or anti-Both. The LDs were a safe repository for the registration of disillusionment and discontent and with the Iraq War, a cause of sorts.
The higher the LD spider climbed up the bowl of support the more likely would come the day when it would be faced with the very real possibility of power which would inevitably mean backing either a Conservative or Labour minority administration at which point the LD coalition would collapse since both sides would feel betrayed.
Cameron's failure to win a majority (and if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else on either the Conservative or Labour side) put the LDs on the spot. Had they walked away from power to preserve their voting coalition, they would forever have been tarnished with the badge of cowardice and irrelevance. Backing a minority Government on a simple Supply & Confidence basis meant all risk and no reward and allegations of promoting political instability.
Faced with the inevitable, Nick Clegg in 2010 did the only thing he could do and the Party has paid for it ever since. Perversely, had Cameron won the majority the pre-election polls suggested he would in 2010, the LDs would be a much stronger force today.
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Gove and Osborne will be on the backbenches whilst Mrs May is PM.Sandpit said:
Yep, Gove did the job he had to do, in saving us from PM Boris. He'll do a year on the back benches then will come back into government. Government needs brains like Gove.Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
She holds grudges.0 -
What is defined as fake news? Does Drudge count? or National Enquirer? or Alex Jones? or Daily Mash? BBC lumped Daily Mash in as an example in an article the other day.TheScreamingEagles said:Sort of on topic
https://twitter.com/CraigSilverman/status/7990145102374584320 -
Mr. Eagles, bad graph. There's no third option for non-mainstream news that's true. Like Cologne, or Rotherham, before the Establishment caught up with reality.0
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Given the balls up re: 'leaked memo' this week, the dividing line between 'real' and 'fake' news must surely be being tested to destruction....FrancisUrquhart said:
What is defined as fake news? Drudge? National Enquirer? Alex Jones? Daily Mash? BBC lumped Daily Mash in their article the other day.TheScreamingEagles said:Sort of on topic
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No, he could of stayed on, Trump willing judging by this:Sandpit said:
Is he someone who would have resigned on Jan 20th anyway, or does he have a long term contract?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has resigned
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/national-intelligence-chief-clapper-resigns-2315470 -
It is a Presidential appointmentSandpit said:
Is he someone who would have resigned on Jan 20th anyway, or does he have a long term contract?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: The U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has resigned
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Curious, numbers seem low. One website I know had >100m uniques on election day alone.0
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Back in October 2015, I wrote that the picture of Trump as “the white power candidate” and “the first openly white supremacist candidate to have a shot at the Presidency in the modern era” was overblown. I said that “the media narrative that Trump is doing some kind of special appeal-to-white-voters voodoo is unsupported by any polling data”, and predicted that:taffys said:''Trump's win reminds me a bit of a high jump.''
You could cogently argue that US politics is not much more than a racial numbers game.
I read somewhere that when Trump said make America Great Again, what he meant was Make America White Again.
I don;t think that's too far from the truth.
If Trump were the Republican nominee, he could probably count on equal or greater support from minorities as Romney or McCain before him.
Now the votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him.
(From Scott Alexander's You Are Still Crying Wolf)0 -
Is looking at 'engagement' at the top 20 stories a good metric? You would have thought there would be more activity closer to the election, so the activity may be more spread out as it were.
Still, a worrying decline for the mainstream news outlets if it is indeed accurate!0 -
Read the book by Tim Ross, Cameron wiping out the Lib Dems is how Paddy Ashdown describes it, specifically the 27 seats the Tories gained from the Lib Dems.stodge said:
No, I'm going to call you out on this ludicrous nonsense. Cameron did not "wipe out" the LDs - the LDs did it to themselves. It was the inevitable result of the contradiction between the pursuit of influence and the nature of those who had voted for them.TheScreamingEagles said:
You could argue that Dave changed the Tories, drove Labour mad, wiped out the Lib Dems to a near extinction level, brought the SNP and UKIP as major parties in the UK.
*They'll be saying he put party before country if Brexit turns out to be a disaster.
The paradox was simple - many of those who voted LD from 1997-2010 did so not (regrettably) because they had genuine liberal sympathies but because they were either anti-Conservative, anti-Labour or anti-Both. The LDs were a safe repository for the registration of disillusionment and discontent and with the Iraq War, a cause of sorts.
The higher the LD spider climbed up the bowl of support the more likely would come the day when it would be faced with the very real possibility of power which would inevitably mean backing either a Conservative or Labour minority administration at which point the LD coalition would collapse since both sides would feel betrayed.
Cameron's failure to win a majority (and if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else on either the Conservative or Labour side) put the LDs on the spot. Had they walked away from power to preserve their voting coalition, they would forever have been tarnished with the badge of cowardice and irrelevance. Backing a minority Government on a simple Supply & Confidence basis meant all risk and no reward and allegations of promoting political instability.
Faced with the inevitable, Nick Clegg in 2010 did the only thing he could do and the Party has paid for it ever since. Perversely, had Cameron won the majority the pre-election polls suggested he would in 2010, the LDs would be a much stronger force today.0 -
Fake news about fake news ;-)RobD said:Is looking at 'engagement' at the top 20 stories a good metric? You would have thought there would be more activity closer to the election, so the activity may be more spread out as it were.
Still, a worrying decline for the mainstream news outlets if it is indeed accurate!0 -
You do have to wonder in view of Sky News You Gov Brexit poll today that quoted that 68% think Britain should leave the EU that the publicity around the election of Trump and the move away from the liberal consensus has actually increased those in the UK wanting to leave the EU.
68% for leave seems higher than previous polls
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The irony is that Osborne probably did think "sod the government borrowing requirement," at least once he'd been Chancellor for more than five minutes and the Treasury had explained to him how the economy works. The problem is he kept the name, the targets and the slogans about a long term economic plan not because he intended to meet them but to embarrass and hem in the Labour Party.rural_voter said:
Cameron claimed to admire Macmillan but possibly he wasn't prepared to think the unthinkable; e.g.: 'sod the government borrowing requirement'. It's hard to construct capital assets without spending money now. Attempts to do otherwise lead to the negative consequences seen with PFI.TheScreamingEagles said:
For next month, I'm writing my review on David Cameron, I do toy with those thoughts you mention.rural_voter said:
Hello all, few recent posts from me because finishing some outside building work before winter arrives is top priority. But I took a break and found this famous quote with which I tend to disagree - I think some political careers were on balance quite successful.TheScreamingEagles said:
Pulpstar is very thorough when it comes to his bets.Richard_Nabavi said:A great read, Pulpstar!
Still, I'm worried about one thing. You watched two Owen Smith/Jeremy Corbyn debates? 'Obsessive' hardly covers it!
Harold Wilson combined a moral crusade with electoral success. Four victories, though only one a landslide (1966). He craftily neutralised Tory opposition and set up the Open University, having nicked the basic idea from the Soviet Union. Millions of mature students benefited.
So successful were some of Clem Attlee's policies that Harold Macmillan continued them. In hindsight, Attlee was one of the most successful PMs of all time, especially given that Britain was broke during the 1945-51 parliaments.
Harold Macmillan himself deserves credit for showing how to build 300,000-500,000 homes per year. People right now are claiming that 200,000 is a high figure. It's not; we need over 300,000 or even more to solve the crisis.
We have already seen that President-elect Trump is talking about stimulating the economy. As Dick Cheney said of another icon of the right: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. So yes, once more Cameron and Osborne were too clever by half.0 -
What do you think of their current positioning? Being the recognisably anti-Brexit party seems like a way to build a surer base. But the tension between social democracy & liberalism has not gone away.stodge said:The paradox was simple - many of those who voted LD from 1997-2010 did so not (regrettably) because they had genuine liberal sympathies but because they were either anti-Conservative, anti-Labour or anti-Both. The LDs were a safe repository for the registration of disillusionment and discontent and with the Iraq War, a cause of sorts.
The higher the LD spider climbed up the bowl of support the more likely would come the day when it would be faced with the very real possibility of power which would inevitably mean backing either a Conservative or Labour minority administration at which point the LD coalition would collapse since both sides would feel betrayed.0 -
You can see it from two perspectives though. Firstly things haven't gotten worse overnight, so if you think progress has been made in the area of civil rights Trump's election doesn't wipe that out, or alternately if you think things are terrible now they were terrible before the election you just weren't aware of it.SandyRentool said:Anecdote:
I was sat on the station the other morning reading Harper Lee's "Go Set a Watchman". A black guy saw what I was reading, came over and said "Nothing's changed, has it?" To me, that summed up Trump's win more than a thousand hours of TV punditry or a thousand pages of newspaper opinion pieces.
As I've said before I think one potential positive of Trump's victory is that it might force both Republicans and Democrats to field better candidates in future who appeal to a wider part of the electorate. I certainly hope it won't be back to business as usual.
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Right, but that's as much a function of Obama as anything.Chelyabinsk said:Now the votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him.
(From Scott Alexander's You Are Still Crying Wolf)0 -
Have you a link to the Sky News poll? I'm not seeing anything on their website, nor on YouGov's website and feed.Big_G_NorthWales said:You do have to wonder in view of Sky News You Gov Brexit poll today that quoted that 68% think Britain should leave the EU that the publicity around the election of Trump and the move away from the liberal consensus has actually increased those in the UK wanting to leave the EU.
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Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
68% of people think that Britain should go ahead with Brexit, unchanged from when we asked the same question in October. People who voted to Remain in June are evenly divided between those who opposed Brexit, but think the government has a duty to implement the decision and leave, and those who would like to see the government ignore or overturn the referendum result.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/11/17/brexit-briefing/0 -
Betting Post:
Ed Balls:
"I think if you’ve got a bet on me, I’d cash out.”
Unfortunately for those betting on him being Lab leader, he is talking about Strictly:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ed-balls-strictly-come-dancing-trust-the-voters-let-the-public-decide-rope-today-programme_uk_582d7c9de4b0c6c8bc148a8f?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics
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Oh dear, this is going to upset some people.
By a narrow margin people think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on whether or not the government has the power to invoke Article 50. 43% think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on the issue, 39% think they are involving themselves in political matters they should leave alone.0 -
Interesting that 8% of Leave voters don't support Brexit, nad 4% don't support Brexit and don't think the government should follow throughTheScreamingEagles said:Found it
68% of people think that Britain should go ahead with Brexit, unchanged from when we asked the same question in October. People who voted to Remain in June are evenly divided between those who opposed Brexit, but think the government has a duty to implement the decision and leave, and those who would like to see the government ignore or overturn the referendum result.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/11/17/brexit-briefing/
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I'm with the rule of law and courts decide on points of law. If the politicians don't like the law as is, write and pass a new one.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, this is going to upset some people.
By a narrow margin people think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on whether or not the government has the power to invoke Article 50. 43% think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on the issue, 39% think they are involving themselves in political matters they should leave alone.0 -
Oh dear:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, this is going to upset some people.
By a narrow margin people think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on whether or not the government has the power to invoke Article 50. 43% think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on the issue, 39% think they are involving themselves in political matters they should leave alone.
However, while they think it is legitimate for the judges to rule on the case, the public don’t agree with the outcome. By 47% to 36% respondents thought that the government should have the right to invoke Article 50 itself, without getting the permission of Parliament. 0 -
''If Trump were the Republican nominee, he could probably count on equal or greater support from minorities as Romney or McCain before him.''
How can Trump administration be a 'white' administration if minorities voted for him?
Discuss. Some very awkward and difficult conclusions lie ahead.0 -
I wonder if Balls reads PB...rottenborough said:Betting Post:
Ed Balls:
"I think if you’ve got a bet on me, I’d cash out.”
Unfortunately for those betting on him being Lab leader, he is talking about Strictly:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ed-balls-strictly-come-dancing-trust-the-voters-let-the-public-decide-rope-today-programme_uk_582d7c9de4b0c6c8bc148a8f?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics0 -
Trump may have been elected but Jobabob might equally have had a point about the ludicrous ramping of Trump by some on pb -- posting all sorts of nonsense from tin-foil tweets and fake news sites. Only yesterday pb saw attacks on CNN for a "false" CBS story about security clearance for Trump's children -- yet within the hour it was confirmed a Trump staffer had made the enquiry. And I speak as a punter who did back Trump before the polls closed.Mortimer said:
Its Bobajobabobajobabobajob I feel sorry for. All those anti 'Trump ramper' rants in vain......FrancisUrquhart said:
LOL...nope....Just like IoS after GE 2015. It was as if they were you know paid to post.Mortimer said:Sad to see 619 not merit an honourable mention.
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And, they think the court is right to decide, but they don't like the result.RobD said:
Oh dear:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, this is going to upset some people.
By a narrow margin people think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on whether or not the government has the power to invoke Article 50. 43% think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on the issue, 39% think they are involving themselves in political matters they should leave alone.
However, while they think it is legitimate for the judges to rule on the case, the public don’t agree with the outcome. By 47% to 36% respondents thought that the government should have the right to invoke Article 50 itself, without getting the permission of Parliament.
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https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/799269000496574465Tissue_Price said:What do you think of their current positioning? Being the recognisably anti-Brexit party seems like a way to build a surer base. But the tension between social democracy & liberalism has not gone away.
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I am a happy punter as far as Strictly goes, thanks to an early bet on Balls I am now green on all dancers and still left with a handsome pay day on Ed.RobD said:
I wonder if Balls reads PB...rottenborough said:Betting Post:
Ed Balls:
"I think if you’ve got a bet on me, I’d cash out.”
Unfortunately for those betting on him being Lab leader, he is talking about Strictly:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ed-balls-strictly-come-dancing-trust-the-voters-let-the-public-decide-rope-today-programme_uk_582d7c9de4b0c6c8bc148a8f?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics0 -
What a delicious split of the vote on the left.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/799269000496574465Tissue_Price said:What do you think of their current positioning? Being the recognisably anti-Brexit party seems like a way to build a surer base. But the tension between social democracy & liberalism has not gone away.
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They announced it at lunchtime and my post at 12.29 was as followsTheScreamingEagles said:
Have you a link to the Sky News poll? I'm not seeing anything on their website, nor on YouGov's website and feed.Big_G_NorthWales said:You do have to wonder in view of Sky News You Gov Brexit poll today that quoted that 68% think Britain should leave the EU that the publicity around the election of Trump and the move away from the liberal consensus has actually increased those in the UK wanting to leave the EU.
68% for leave seems higher than previous polls
Sky now reporting You Gov Brexit poll:
52% think the government is doing badly
18% think the government is doing well
68% think Britain should leave the EU
62% think it is the most important issue currently facing Britain.
They seemed to emphasise the 52% government doing badly point but not realising that a good percentage of that figure will be from leavers who are frustrated it is not happening fast enough.
And the surprise in the presenters voice when he had to quote 68% want us to leave the EU was noticeable.
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Which seems like a more sensible question to ask, since that's the government's intention!TheScreamingEagles said:Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
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For the record I think it is legitimate for the Court to rule on whether Parliament has the right to pass A50 or the ExecutiveTheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, this is going to upset some people.
By a narrow margin people think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on whether or not the government has the power to invoke Article 50. 43% think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on the issue, 39% think they are involving themselves in political matters they should leave alone.0 -
It's not a positioning with which I am personally comfortable - the Party should be arguing for a liberal internationalist open economy with (it has to be said) an emphasis on skilled migration into the country. We should be looking to promote free trade while at the same time recognising global problems (pollution, resource depletion) need global rather than regional responses and championing the globalist (rather than globalised) approach.Tissue_Price said:
What do you think of their current positioning? Being the recognisably anti-Brexit party seems like a way to build a surer base. But the tension between social democracy & liberalism has not gone away.
Unfortunately, the tide of history and opinion seems to be running toward insularity and protectionism and that is to be regretted.
Politically, the Party has always done best when it has a single easily definable USP - a penny on tax for education under Paddy and opposition to the Iraq War under Charles Kennedy. Tim presumably feels the 23% who oppose Brexit under any circumstances and elements of the 32% who are holding fire until the terms of withdrawal are clear are the possible supporters and the 33% who want out at any price are lost to the LDs for now.0 -
Indeed, I partook in this poll, I'm in the 68%Tissue_Price said:
Which seems like a more sensible question to ask, since that's the government's intention!TheScreamingEagles said:Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
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I hope common sense has prevailed - the idea was stupidTheScreamingEagles said:
And, they think the court is right to decide, but they don't like the result.RobD said:
Oh dear:TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, this is going to upset some people.
By a narrow margin people think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on whether or not the government has the power to invoke Article 50. 43% think it is legitimate for the Courts to rule on the issue, 39% think they are involving themselves in political matters they should leave alone.
However, while they think it is legitimate for the judges to rule on the case, the public don’t agree with the outcome. By 47% to 36% respondents thought that the government should have the right to invoke Article 50 itself, without getting the permission of Parliament.
It would explain why Nigel's gone quiet on his million 100,000 man march on the Supreme Court.0 -
All of which was foreseeable, which begs the question why they ever embarked on a strategy that was bound to end in disaster (answer: because it would be someone else's disaster and in the meantime there was lots of fun to be had).stodge said:
No, I'm going to call you out on this ludicrous nonsense. Cameron did not "wipe out" the LDs - the LDs did it to themselves. It was the inevitable result of the contradiction between the pursuit of influence and the nature of those who had voted for them.TheScreamingEagles said:
You could argue that Dave changed the Tories, drove Labour mad, wiped out the Lib Dems to a near extinction level, brought the SNP and UKIP as major parties in the UK.
*They'll be saying he put party before country if Brexit turns out to be a disaster.
The paradox was simple - many of those who voted LD from 1997-2010 did so not (regrettably) because they had genuine liberal sympathies but because they were either anti-Conservative, anti-Labour or anti-Both. The LDs were a safe repository for the registration of disillusionment and discontent and with the Iraq War, a cause of sorts.
The higher the LD spider climbed up the bowl of support the more likely would come the day when it would be faced with the very real possibility of power which would inevitably mean backing either a Conservative or Labour minority administration at which point the LD coalition would collapse since both sides would feel betrayed.
Cameron's failure to win a majority (and if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else on either the Conservative or Labour side) put the LDs on the spot. Had they walked away from power to preserve their voting coalition, they would forever have been tarnished with the badge of cowardice and irrelevance. Backing a minority Government on a simple Supply & Confidence basis meant all risk and no reward and allegations of promoting political instability.
Faced with the inevitable, Nick Clegg in 2010 did the only thing he could do and the Party has paid for it ever since.0 -
Yes. I found it strange how shameless and maniacal spamming for your preferred winner came to be regarded by some as 'insight'.DecrepitJohnL said:
Trump may have been elected but Jobabob might equally have had a point about the ludicrous ramping of Trump by some on pb -- posting all sorts of nonsense from tin-foil tweets and fake news sites. Only yesterday pb saw attacks on CNN for a "false" CBS story about security clearance for Trump's children -- yet within the hour it was confirmed a Trump staffer had made the enquiry. And I speak as a punter who did back Trump before the polls closed.Mortimer said:
Its Bobajobabobajobabobajob I feel sorry for. All those anti 'Trump ramper' rants in vain......FrancisUrquhart said:
LOL...nope....Just like IoS after GE 2015. It was as if they were you know paid to post.Mortimer said:Sad to see 619 not merit an honourable mention.
Has he reappeared since Trump started winning?0 -
Welcome backTheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I partook in this poll, I'm in the 68%Tissue_Price said:
Which seems like a more sensible question to ask, since that's the government's intention!TheScreamingEagles said:Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
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So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.0
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That's not the question asked.Patrick said:So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.
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I never left. I'm still in the tent, to borrow a phrase from the great LBJ.Tissue_Price said:
Welcome backTheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I partook in this poll, I'm in the 68%Tissue_Price said:
Which seems like a more sensible question to ask, since that's the government's intention!TheScreamingEagles said:Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
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Brains like Gove? It's a view. How about framing Gove as the Keith Joseph of Cameron's government. His grand plans for enlightened and liberal reform might have been laudable but Gove was hopeless at the bread and butter of service delivery. Gove as EdSec gave us a shortage of school places; at Justice to a shortage of prison officers.Sandpit said:
Yep, Gove did the job he had to do, in saving us from PM Boris. He'll do a year on the back benches then will come back into government. Government needs brains like Gove.Tissue_Price said:
You don't subscribe to the Gove-as-suicide-bomber view, then? I think it's fairly plausible myself.Pulpstar said:
The manner in which Gove, Johnson and Leadsom blew their chances at the big prize is what got them included. Leadsom was always a longshot, but she was a brexiteer against a remainer in the final two. That was fundamentally a strong position given the Tory membership.AlastairMeeks said:It depends what you mean by failures. Some of these, George Osborne and Michael Gove for example, may yet have further and greater successes in the future. Two of those named are current Cabinet ministers. And the commentariat (and yes, to the extent that includes me, me) will continue completely unabashed. Cockroaches have nothing on them.
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A resurgent lib dem now would doom the labour party utterly, they're increasing fishing in the same pool of voters.RobD said:
What a delicious split of the vote on the left.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/799269000496574465Tissue_Price said:What do you think of their current positioning? Being the recognisably anti-Brexit party seems like a way to build a surer base. But the tension between social democracy & liberalism has not gone away.
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Remainers are all profound and unwavering democrats - the collective decision trumps personally preference every time.Patrick said:So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.
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Yes, I wonder how it works out in absolute vote numbers rather than precentages from the dodgy dodgy exit poll.Tissue_Price said:
Right, but that's as much a function of Obama as anything.Chelyabinsk said:Now the votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him.
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Indeed, unlike Farage and John Redwood who would have ignored the result if Remain had won.Stark_Dawning said:
Remainers are all profound and unwavering democrats - the collective decision trumps personally preference every time.Patrick said:So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.
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It is surely an acceptance of Brexit means Brexit though.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's not the question asked.Patrick said:So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.
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So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
Well, half the time, looking at the crosstabs.Stark_Dawning said:
Remainers are all profound and unwavering democrats - the collective decision trumps personally preference every time.Patrick said:So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.
Just teasing, don't rise to it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I never left. I'm still in the tent, to borrow a phrase from the great LBJ.Tissue_Price said:
Welcome backTheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I partook in this poll, I'm in the 68%Tissue_Price said:
Which seems like a more sensible question to ask, since that's the government's intention!TheScreamingEagles said:Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
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I know. I've had the outline of that LBJ quote for a PB thread in my head for daysTissue_Price said:
Well, half the time, looking at the crosstabs.Stark_Dawning said:
Remainers are all profound and unwavering democrats - the collective decision trumps personally preference every time.Patrick said:So much for all the Bremorse horseshit then. 68% of us now want to Leave. Colour me unshocked.
Just teasing, don't rise to it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I never left. I'm still in the tent, to borrow a phrase from the great LBJ.Tissue_Price said:
Welcome backTheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I partook in this poll, I'm in the 68%Tissue_Price said:
Which seems like a more sensible question to ask, since that's the government's intention!TheScreamingEagles said:Found it, so it's not how would you vote in a future referendum question, more should June's result be implemented.
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23% of Remainers are patriotic upstanding members of society. 22% of them are quisling traitor EUphiles.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
So half of Remainers are not democrats. Now we know.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
Look at the cross tabs, there's some Leavers that don't want us to Leave.SandyRentool said:
So half of Remainers are not democrats. Now we know.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
UKIP supporters who don't want theit party to die.TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at the cross tabs, there's some Leavers that don't want us to Leave.SandyRentool said:
So half of Remainers are not democrats. Now we know.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
I am one of the 23% who voted remain and am considered a patriotic upstanding member of society. I like thatMaxPB said:
23% of Remainers are patriotic upstanding members of society. 22% of them are quisling traitor EUphiles.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
False recall, I suppose.TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at the cross tabs, there's some Leavers that don't want us to Leave.SandyRentool said:
So half of Remainers are not democrats. Now we know.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain0 -
I think "Traitors" is the term, right?TheScreamingEagles said:Look at the cross tabs, there's some Leavers that don't want us to Leave.
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Electoral calculus seat figures, shaving these percentages down to 94.5% (to account for Nats)RobD said:
What a delicious split of the vote on the left.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/jamin2g/status/799269000496574465Tissue_Price said:What do you think of their current positioning? Being the recognisably anti-Brexit party seems like a way to build a surer base. But the tension between social democracy & liberalism has not gone away.
Lab Pro-Brexit: Con 382, Lab 154, LD 32, UKIP 4 (Maj 114)
Lab Soft Brexit: Con 342, Lab 201, LD 26, UKIP 2 (Maj 34)
Lab 2nd Ref: Con 366, Lab 191, LD 11, UKIP 2 (Maj 82)0 -
Unlikely, a lot of the YouGov panel were asked shortly after June 23rd how they actually voted, so YouGov keep that on their profile to stop false recall.RobD said:
False recall, I suppose.TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at the cross tabs, there's some Leavers that don't want us to Leave.SandyRentool said:
So half of Remainers are not democrats. Now we know.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain
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Hm, Then I suppose that 8% have changed their mind in the interim! Unless they forgot how they voted over the course of a few days!TheScreamingEagles said:
Unlikely, a lot of the YouGov panel were asked shortly after June 23rd how they actually voted, so YouGov keep that on their profile to stop false recall.RobD said:
False recall, I suppose.TheScreamingEagles said:
Look at the cross tabs, there's some Leavers that don't want us to Leave.SandyRentool said:
So half of Remainers are not democrats. Now we know.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain
You're more likely to get false recall in phone poll.0 -
Don't be intimidated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am one of the 23% who voted remain and am considered a patriotic upstanding member of society. I like thatMaxPB said:
23% of Remainers are patriotic upstanding members of society. 22% of them are quisling traitor EUphiles.TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain
We voted to Leave so now I think we should leave but be absolutely clear, it is permissible to hold any damn political opinion you want about the matter.
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On the previous thread, several posters were saying Sky was biased for not reporting that 68% of respondents to this YouGov poll favoured us leaving the EU. Surprise, surprise, it turns out that it's a bit more complicated than that!!TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain
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Boris Johnson features in this week's Popbitch email
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he probably got more black voters but not more Hispanic votes, according to county level results. I'm sorry but their exit polls are rubbish, that exit also shows him getting 1% less white vote than Romney, er nope.Tissue_Price said:
Right, but that's as much a function of Obama as anything.Chelyabinsk said:Now the votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him.
(From Scott Alexander's You Are Still Crying Wolf)
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I reported that Sky DID report the 68% IN FAVOUR of us leaving just after they had announced it. See my post 12.29SouthamObserver said:
On the previous thread, several posters were saying Sky was biased for not reporting that 68% of respondents to this YouGov poll favoured us leaving the EU. Surprise, surprise, it turns out that it's a bit more complicated than that!!TheScreamingEagles said:So before another inaccurate meme begins
Thinking about the result of the EU referendum, which of the following best reflects your view?
I support Britain leaving the EU, and the British government should ensure that Britain does leave the EU - 45%
I did not support Britain leaving the EU, but now the British people have voted to leave the government has a duty to carry out their wishes and leave - 23%
I do not support Britain leaving the EU and the government should ignore the result of the referendum or seek to overturn it in a second referendum - 22%
IIRC - The last time YouGov asked a straight Remain/Leave question it was something like 45 Leave and 44% Remain
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Brilliant article. Thank you.0
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