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Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown, when even Brexit supporting MPs are quitting over handling of Brexit you know she's messed up big style0
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I want to know more about this independent, Marianne Overton, who's kept her deposit at two successive general elections.0
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''Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown, when even Brexit supporting MPs are quitting over handling of Brexit you know she's messed up big style ''
Maybe you should have gone for Leadsom, after all?0 -
Wouldn't it be better for the type of Brexit he wants if he stayed in Parliament?0
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I believe she has a window?AlastairMeeks said:I want to know more about this independent, Marianne Overton, who's kept her deposit at two successive general elections.
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Nope, Leadsom would have been worse.taffys said:''Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown, when even Brexit supporting MPs are quitting over handling of Brexit you know she's messed up big style ''
Maybe you should have gone for Leadsom, after all?0 -
May won;t call a GE because she is scared sh8tless of UKIP.0
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This government is a mess.
Perhaps they, and May in particular, should have spend less time playing and dressing up at the Spectator awards.
They could have formulated a response to the court case and organised whips to manage their backbenchers.0 -
I think Theresa May needs to get a grip. Her insistence on not giving Parliament a vote, not spelling out (even in the broadest sense) what Brexit entails and having a tin ear on domestic matters is going to weigh the government down too much. She either needs a fresh mandate from the public or she needs to deliver the 2015 manifesto which made a commitment to staying in the single market.0
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The Battle of the Brexits.
We all know the UKIP candidate will be pushing for a leave now, hard as possible Brexit. What will the Conservative party's line be? Labour, of course, will be utterly irrelevant. A nice rehearsal for our upcoming general election.0 -
Perhaps this will help LD and Labour come to an agreement - Labour could certainly do with no LDs here to fend off the approaching kippers.0
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Has she gone and changed her name again?Alistair said:
I believe she has a window?AlastairMeeks said:I want to know more about this independent, Marianne Overton, who's kept her deposit at two successive general elections.
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General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
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Great ironies of our time, #552
David Cameron went for 2016 referendum in part because he didn't want the rest of the Parliament to be dominated by the referendum.0 -
Will Farage stand? This is his chance.Paristonda said:Perhaps this will help LD and Labour come to an agreement - Labour could certainly do with no LDs here to fend off the approaching kippers.
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It's what not having an opposition leads to. It's no good for the country and ultimately it's no good for the Tories.Jonathan said:This government is a mess.
Perhaps they, and May in particular, should have spend less time playing and dressing up at the Spectator awards.
They could have formulated a response to the court case and organised whips to manage their backbenchers.
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Yes seems odd - if he was in a marginal it might make sense, because the government could lose a seat, but here they are going to easily hold it, and all that will change is that the government loses a critic.DanSmith said:Wouldn't it be better for the type of Brexit he wants if he stayed in Parliament?
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FPT:
Still the possibility of forcing May to reveal her full negotiating position or a second referendum clause (both of which would result in a worse deal).TheScreamingEagles said:
The Leader of the Labour Peers has said they will not block Brexit.Essexit said:
The issue isn't getting Article 50 through the Commons. It'sTheScreamingEagles said:Where are those PBers who assured me that Theresa May had a rock solid majority in Parliament because of the DUP, Sinn Fein Abstentions etc
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The only way she can guarantee that is to announce that she won't be invoking Article 50 at all, but she welcomes any constructive proposals from the EU...MaxPB said:or she needs to deliver the 2015 manifesto which made a commitment to staying in the single market.
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Anyone know what Stephen Phillips ‘significant policy differences’ are. – Isn't he a Leaver?0
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(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.0 -
Was it you TSE that said the only good thing about the (very glamorous) Theresa- I added a little bit of description- is that she isn't Angela Leadsome?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Leadsom would have been worse.taffys said:''Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown, when even Brexit supporting MPs are quitting over handling of Brexit you know she's messed up big style ''
Maybe you should have gone for Leadsom, after all?
If it wasn't you it is still a very good quote...
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Will UKIP even run? Will they want to possibly dilute the Con majority given Labour and the Lib Dems want to frustrate or reverse th Brexit vote.SouthamObserver said:The Battle of the Brexits.
We all know the UKIP candidate will be pushing for a leave now, hard as possible Brexit. What will the Conservative party's line be? Labour, of course, will be utterly irrelevant. A nice rehearsal for our upcoming general election.0 -
For what its worth, May always going to encounter these sort of difficulties. Cameron entirely to blame for calling a referendum he had no intention of losing. We are seeing the consequences of a negligent failure to plan for all eventualities.
Saying that, May needs a mandate of her own. She'll get that if she goes for a GE now.0 -
For what its worth, May always going to encounter these sort of difficulties. Cameron entirely to blame for calling a referendum he had no intention of losing. We are seeing the consequences of a negligent failure to plan for all eventualities.
Saying that, May needs a mandate of her own. She'll get that if she goes for a GE now.0 -
That's a bloody weird move. We haven't triggered Article 50, let alone started negotiating.0
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You can pin much on Corbyn, but this is not his fault. What we are seeing are the fault-lines within the Tory party and some incompetence at the top of party.SouthamObserver said:
It's what not having an opposition leads to. It's no good for the country and ultimately it's no good for the Tories.Jonathan said:This government is a mess.
Perhaps they, and May in particular, should have spend less time playing and dressing up at the Spectator awards.
They could have formulated a response to the court case and organised whips to manage their backbenchers.0 -
Do shut up.williamglenn said:
The only way she can guarantee that is to announce that she won't be invoking Article 50 at all, but she welcomes any constructive proposals from the EU...MaxPB said:or she needs to deliver the 2015 manifesto which made a commitment to staying in the single market.
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Nah - he's got big bucks waiting for him on Trump TV surely. There's no interest for him being in Parliament now - he's won his war, and if there's any backsliding he can just as easily get his voice heard from outside parliament.Jonathan said:
Will Farage stand? This is his chance.Paristonda said:Perhaps this will help LD and Labour come to an agreement - Labour could certainly do with no LDs here to fend off the approaching kippers.
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I may have said that.tyson said:
Was it you TSE that said the only good thing about the (very glamorous) Theresa- I added a little bit of description- is that she isn't Angela Leadsome?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, Leadsom would have been worse.taffys said:''Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown, when even Brexit supporting MPs are quitting over handling of Brexit you know she's messed up big style ''
Maybe you should have gone for Leadsom, after all?
If it wasn't you it is still a very good quote...0 -
Exactly how long after the first meeting of the negotiations do you imagine each party's position will remain unclear?Essexit said:FPT:
Still the possibility of forcing May to reveal her full negotiating position or a second referendum clause (both of which would result in a worse deal).TheScreamingEagles said:
The Leader of the Labour Peers has said they will not block Brexit.Essexit said:
The issue isn't getting Article 50 through the Commons. It'sTheScreamingEagles said:Where are those PBers who assured me that Theresa May had a rock solid majority in Parliament because of the DUP, Sinn Fein Abstentions etc
a) Not being amended to death in the Commons
b) The Lords
The EU27 haven't said there will be no running commentary.0 -
Yes, but it's all consequence free politically. That's the point.Jonathan said:
You can pin much on Corbyn, but this is not his fault. What we are seeing are the fault-lines within the Tory party and some incompetence at the top of party.SouthamObserver said:
It's what not having an opposition leads to. It's no good for the country and ultimately it's no good for the Tories.Jonathan said:This government is a mess.
Perhaps they, and May in particular, should have spend less time playing and dressing up at the Spectator awards.
They could have formulated a response to the court case and organised whips to manage their backbenchers.
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OGH: "With both LAB in disarray ..."
Hehe, marvellous!0 -
I'd be shocked if they didn't. It's a huge opportunity for them.MaxPB said:
Will UKIP even run? Will they want to possibly dilute the Con majority given Labour and the Lib Dems want to frustrate or reverse th Brexit vote.SouthamObserver said:The Battle of the Brexits.
We all know the UKIP candidate will be pushing for a leave now, hard as possible Brexit. What will the Conservative party's line be? Labour, of course, will be utterly irrelevant. A nice rehearsal for our upcoming general election.
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He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?
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And UKIP aren't in disarray?!0
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Toys out of the pram. He rejects the way the government has gone about this. Not unreasonable, but my guess is that he isn't a leaver and just said that to get the seat in the first place.SimonStClare said:Anyone know what Stephen Phillips ‘significant policy differences’ are. – Isn't he a Leaver?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_IndependentsAlastairMeeks said:I want to know more about this independent, Marianne Overton, who's kept her deposit at two successive general elections.
https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/news/new-year-honour-for-councillor-marianne-overton/118970.article
She seems to be quite highly regarded at the LGA0 -
Still the Brexiteers persist with the line that A Tory MP resigning explicitly because of May's handling of Brexit is Cameron's fault...0
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To lose one MP may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.
It's quite bizarre that the Tories, who have found themselves in such a strong position, are in such a state of disarray. Perhaps it's symptomatic of being too powerful, perhaps it's symptomatic of the general malaise in UK politics, perhaps it's symptomatic of TM not really being a very good leader.
Because of the depression in politics no-one is probably very keen to do so, but perhaps this would be the ideal time for someone to start a new political party.0 -
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Zac won't vote against the Conservatives on anything other than Heathow and Phillips is either staying on or will be replaced by another Conservative (would be interesting to see if a europhile or brexiter was selected).
So Idon't think much will change.0 -
Margaret Thatcher.tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?0 -
She's lost three MPs in less than 2 months.Dadge said:To lose one MP may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.
It's quite bizarre that the Tories, who have found themselves in such a strong position, are in such a state of disarray. Perhaps it's symptomatic of being too powerful, perhaps it's symptomatic of the general malaise in UK politics, perhaps it's symptomatic of TM not really being a very good leader.
Because of the depression in politics no-one is probably very keen to do so, but perhaps this would be the ideal time for someone to start a new political party.
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Both genuine whopping gains as well.Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/11/03/tonights-local-by-election-previewed-by-harry-hayfield/0 -
Has Mr. Fear been reincarnated? I have a suspicion he's posted more than 13 times.0
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No doubt it's random chance but it's curious that there have been so many by-elections recently in greater Manchester and now this one is adjacent to Newark.0
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I wouldn't. UKIP are in turmoil, if they fail to come second it might hasten their decline. Tactically not standing and supporting the Tories makes sense here, possibly splitting the Brexit vote and letting another remain MP into the house is reason enough to stand down.SouthamObserver said:
I'd be shocked if they didn't. It's a huge opportunity for them.MaxPB said:
Will UKIP even run? Will they want to possibly dilute the Con majority given Labour and the Lib Dems want to frustrate or reverse th Brexit vote.SouthamObserver said:The Battle of the Brexits.
We all know the UKIP candidate will be pushing for a leave now, hard as possible Brexit. What will the Conservative party's line be? Labour, of course, will be utterly irrelevant. A nice rehearsal for our upcoming general election.0 -
This just seems a bit weird. More to this than meets the eye?0
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Doesn't two vacancies reduce the Tory majority to 10? The majority only drops by two if a seat is lost to another party.
On topic, it is helpful for the Conservatives that the only MPs resigning are ones with 20k+ majorities.
Assuming that Phillips is not standing again - it doesn't sound as if he is - I should have thought that this will be a routine hold with a Leave candidate selected quickly.0 -
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 3m3 minutes ago
Stephen Phillips's "irreconcilable differences" with Govt included Brexit court case and child refugees0 -
Hard Brexit is something he doesn't like - even though I suspect all discussions about it are to establish our negotiation starting positionSimonStClare said:Anyone know what Stephen Phillips ‘significant policy differences’ are. – Isn't he a Leaver?
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Think this is spot on, there are quite a few Tory 'Leavers' in strong leave areas who lied to get the nomination. Likewise quite a few nominal 'Remainers' who thought they were picking the winning side over personal views.tlg86 said:
Toys out of the pram. He rejects the way the government has gone about this. Not unreasonable, but my guess is that he isn't a leaver and just said that to get the seat in the first place.SimonStClare said:Anyone know what Stephen Phillips ‘significant policy differences’ are. – Isn't he a Leaver?
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If only Cameron had been a man of his word and invoked Article 50 when he said he would...TheScreamingEagles said:Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown, when even Brexit supporting MPs are quitting over handling of Brexit you know she's messed up big style
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Politics in general seems a bit weird.MarqueeMark said:This just seems a bit weird. More to this than meets the eye?
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At least she still has her handbag.Dadge said:To lose one MP may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.
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Mr Tyson,
Isaac Newton. Arguably the greatest scientist who ever lived (and as mad as a hatter).
Tennyson.0 -
Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/7945032772621107200 -
Well I fell into that one. She was born in Grantham wasn't she? Not that I would have a clue where Grantahm is....I guess it's in Lincolnshire....Sean_Fear said:
Margaret Thatcher.tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?
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Well, Zac's seat is lost since we're not defending it, but his "replacement" isn't in the Commons yet. So 10 is right for now, down to 9 after Richmond, probably back up to 10 after Sleaford, probably up to 110 by May.david_herdson said:Doesn't two vacancies reduce the Tory majority to 10? The majority only drops by two if a seat is lost to another party.
On topic, it is helpful for the Conservatives that the only MPs resigning are ones with 20k+ majorities.
Assuming that Phillips is not standing again - it doesn't sound as if he is - I should have thought that this will be a routine hold with a Leave candidate selected quickly.0 -
I did tell you that on the previous thread!tyson said:
Well I fell into that one. She was born in Grantham wasn't she? Not that I would have a clue where Grantahm is....I guess it's in Lincolnshire....Sean_Fear said:
Margaret Thatcher.tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?0 -
The Conservative surge from Scotland spells awful news for Ayrshire turnip futures .....
But great news for John McCain ....0 -
How many of them were "losses" is debatable.....what is it with millionaire public school boys?TheScreamingEagles said:
She's lost three MPs in less than 2 months.Dadge said:To lose one MP may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness.
It's quite bizarre that the Tories, who have found themselves in such a strong position, are in such a state of disarray. Perhaps it's symptomatic of being too powerful, perhaps it's symptomatic of the general malaise in UK politics, perhaps it's symptomatic of TM not really being a very good leader.
Because of the depression in politics no-one is probably very keen to do so, but perhaps this would be the ideal time for someone to start a new political party.0 -
The Banff vote's a kick in the balls for fat Eck. Perhaps he should do his job and get off the B list celeb circuit.Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/7945032772621107200 -
The irony is that many of the first SNP seats to fall will actually be their pre-surge seats, like Banff & Buchan, from back when they were Tartan Tories.nunu said:Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!
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Isaac NewtonSean_Fear said:
Margaret Thatcher.tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?
Tennyson
John Wesley0 -
I think he's probably a secret remainer and isn't pleased with the way Brexit is proceeding. He also has a pretty decent second job so walking away isn't a big deal. It's an easy Con hold.MarqueeMark said:This just seems a bit weird. More to this than meets the eye?
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I note in the middle class England battle there was very little change in Eastleigh or Reigate (although Lab/UKIP doing badly in seats they were third/fourth).JackW said:The Conservative surge from Scotland spells awful news for Ayrshire turnip futures .....
But great news for John McCain ....0 -
There are quite a few you may have heard of :-)tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?
Isaac Newton
William Cecil.
Alfred Lord Tennyson.
John Whitgift
Guy Gibson
William Marwood (invented the Long Drop)
Sybil Thorndike
Also, some "Borises" who go by their Christian names.
Hugh of Lincoln.
Aaron of Lincoln.
etc
and recently
Nicholas Parsons
Colin Dexter
Patricia Hodge
Sam Cam (!)
A well-wikipedia'd county.
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nunu said:
Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/794503277262110720
Philip Sim @BBCPhilipSim 9m9 minutes ago
One Tory gain from the SNP, one technical gain from Lib Dems (although former co-leader Martin Kitts-Hayes was sitting as an independent)
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Given Ukip's response yesterday it's not clear they have much time for the law! I see them standing. Fascinating stuff though.MaxPB said:
Will UKIP even run? Will they want to possibly dilute the Con majority given Labour and the Lib Dems want to frustrate or reverse th Brexit vote.SouthamObserver said:The Battle of the Brexits.
We all know the UKIP candidate will be pushing for a leave now, hard as possible Brexit. What will the Conservative party's line be? Labour, of course, will be utterly irrelevant. A nice rehearsal for our upcoming general election.0 -
Ruth is bringing the Scottish Tories off life support.fitalass said:nunu said:
Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/794503277262110720
Philip Sim @BBCPhilipSim 9m9 minutes ago
One Tory gain from the SNP, one technical gain from Lib Dems (although former co-leader Martin Kitts-Hayes was sitting as an independent)
She'd be wasted at Westminster.
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Hmm you may be right. Born in Chiswick and lives in Hampstead, which is not exactly a leaver hotbed.tlg86 said:
Toys out of the pram. He rejects the way the government has gone about this. Not unreasonable, but my guess is that he isn't a leaver and just said that to get the seat in the first place.SimonStClare said:Anyone know what Stephen Phillips ‘significant policy differences’ are. – Isn't he a Leaver?
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"Very significant policy differences with the current government mean that I am unable properly to represent the people who elected me."
Normal human beings can recognise a non sequitur when they see one.0 -
''Yes UKIP were 6% to 8% down yet again in all the by-elections, except those where they hadn't stood before. ''
Point conceded. But you don;t vote UKIP for local matters. You vote UKIP to put the sh8ts up the government on a 'look what we could do, if we wanted' basis.0 -
As I said yesterday, we need a General Election, especially after the Court ruling and it's heavy emphasis on Parliamentary Sovereignty. A majority of 12 is not going to be enough for Brexit.
"Soft" Brexit is a con, if we stay in the Single market, keep FoM, stay in the jurisdiction of the ECJ and carrying on paying into the EU budget. That's not soft Brexit, it's not any kind of Brexit at all.0 -
You should have held your nerve and acted outraged that no one got your droll political joke.tyson said:
I am beginning to sound a little like John Cleese in Life of Brian....What have the Romans done for us?CD13 said:Mr Tyson,
Isaac Newton. Arguably the greatest scientist who ever lived (and as mad as a hatter).
Tennyson.0 -
You may have a point, his article for the Guardian last month certainly gives the impression of a reluctant Leave supporter, shocked by the Brexit result.tlg86 said:
Toys out of the pram. He rejects the way the government has gone about this. Not unreasonable, but my guess is that he isn't a leaver and just said that to get the seat in the first place.SimonStClare said:Anyone know what Stephen Phillips ‘significant policy differences’ are. – Isn't he a Leaver?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/11/we-voted-brexit-keep-parliament-sovereign-wont-be-gagged
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Mr. Tyson, don't feel too bad. I didn't know which county Newton or Thatcher were from either.0
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I don't know, put her in Number 10. Definitely not wasted then!TheWhiteRabbit said:
Ruth is bringing the Scottish Tories off life support.fitalass said:nunu said:
Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/794503277262110720
Philip Sim @BBCPhilipSim 9m9 minutes ago
One Tory gain from the SNP, one technical gain from Lib Dems (although former co-leader Martin Kitts-Hayes was sitting as an independent)
She'd be wasted at Westminster.0 -
Entitled public school boy overlooked for preferment returns to main job?MarqueeMark said:This just seems a bit weird. More to this than meets the eye?
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John Shuttleworth?MattW said:
There are quite a few you may have heard of :-)tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?
Isaac Newton
William Cecil.
Alfred Lord Tennyson.
John Whitgift
Guy Gibson
Also, some "Borises" who go by their Christian names.
Hugh of Lincoln.0 -
The SNP and their ongoing quest for independence are bringing the Scottish Tories off life support, via Newton's Third Law of Motion. But Ruth is absolutely accelerating the process.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Ruth is bringing the Scottish Tories off life support.fitalass said:nunu said:
Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/794503277262110720
Philip Sim @BBCPhilipSim 9m9 minutes ago
One Tory gain from the SNP, one technical gain from Lib Dems (although former co-leader Martin Kitts-Hayes was sitting as an independent)
She'd be wasted at Westminster.0 -
Imagine the scene in 2026: Labour could be complaining that they'll never win a UK-wide general election again because of the Tories' block of Scottish seats.nunu said:Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!
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"Soft" Brexit is a con, if we stay in the Single market, keep FoM, stay in the jurisdiction of the ECJ and carrying on paying into the EU budget. That's not soft Brexit, it's not any kind of Brexit at all.
Absolutely, and that is what the remainers want.0 -
This is bad news for those who don't want a Hard Brexit.
The Tory Party and Parliament is losing a pro Single market not obsessed by immigration Leaver.0 -
UKIP should stand in areas where the Lab, Con or Lib Dem MP is Remain and in the constituencies where the candidate (likely winner) is Leave they should not field a candidate, simple as that.0
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Never heard of him, I confess. If the LDs offered not to stand in exchange for Labour doing the same in Richmond, we might live in interesting times.0
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Quite a change in Gloucester though:TheWhiteRabbit said:
I note in the middle class England battle there was very little change in Eastleigh or Reigate (although Lab/UKIP doing badly in seats they were third/fourth).JackW said:The Conservative surge from Scotland spells awful news for Ayrshire turnip futures .....
But great news for John McCain ....
Britain Elects @britainelects 12h12 hours ago
Longlevens (Gloucester) result:
CON: 46.2% (+3.7)
LDEM: 36.9% (+23.7)
LAB: 9.7% (-8.2)
UKIP: 7.2% (-6.6)
I'm not sure how that adds up, where did the LibDems +23.7% come from? A bit from Lab and UKIP but mostly from somewhere else (Green or Independent?)0 -
Who do leavers vote for in a straight fight between a pro-Brexit Tory and UKIP?
Remember they had a pro-Brexit Tory, who just resigned...0 -
Sorry - there's more but someone hit post early.rottenborough said:
John Shuttleworth?MattW said:
There are quite a few you may have heard of :-)tyson said:
He could get lost as he wanders away from Islington to places he didn't even know existed....like Lincolnshire for instance.Tissue_Price said:
(a) Yes (b) How?MarkHopkins said:
General Election. TMay can get clear mandate for A50. Labour can get rid of Corbyn.
BTW....can someone please tell me if Lincolnshire has produced anyone of any note in the whole history of our great nation?
Isaac Newton
William Cecil.
Alfred Lord Tennyson.
John Whitgift
Guy Gibson
Also, some "Borises" who go by their Christian names.
Hugh of Lincoln.0 -
A General Election needs to be held.0
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There's more to this I'll wager. Maybe the Sunday's have something?Scott_P said:Who do leavers vote for in a straight fight between a pro-Brexit Tory and UKIP?
Remember they had a pro-Brexit Tory, who just resigned...0 -
From the Greens who got 13% last time.logical_song said:
Quite a change in Gloucester though:TheWhiteRabbit said:
I note in the middle class England battle there was very little change in Eastleigh or Reigate (although Lab/UKIP doing badly in seats they were third/fourth).JackW said:The Conservative surge from Scotland spells awful news for Ayrshire turnip futures .....
But great news for John McCain ....
Britain Elects @britainelects 12h12 hours ago
Longlevens (Gloucester) result:
CON: 46.2% (+3.7)
LDEM: 36.9% (+23.7)
LAB: 9.7% (-8.2)
UKIP: 7.2% (-6.6)
I'm not sure how that adds up, where did the LibDems +23.7% come from? A bit from Lab and UKIP but mostly from somewhere else (Green or Independent?)
Labour being hollowed out further, something positive for the Lib Dems but no gain. Lab should have taken a chunk of the Green vote.0 -
She's also a soft Leaver, so would have no chance of being anything other than a very backbench MP.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Ruth is bringing the Scottish Tories off life support.fitalass said:nunu said:
Wow, Tories finally developing a real base in rural north east and south Scotland now, as Labour lose one. Go Ruth!Scott_P said:Meanwhile, Scottish Tory Surge KLAXON!
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/794503277262110720
Philip Sim @BBCPhilipSim 9m9 minutes ago
One Tory gain from the SNP, one technical gain from Lib Dems (although former co-leader Martin Kitts-Hayes was sitting as an independent)
She'd be wasted at Westminster.
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