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The new Select committee on Exiting the European Union, who will hold their first meeting on Wednesday, will have the opportunity to shape the debate on what Brexit actual means.
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Love that mug0
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On topic she'll have to reveal the deal.
Others will demand the same.
Unless we're staying in the customs union.0 -
Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.0
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Real first.0
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If Atul can check the postal votes in Richmond, I for one would be grateful.0
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Writing off Hallam already ?TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
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Is there any subject on which Mr Brind's opinion has proved correct? Betting tips perhaps, just not in the way intended.0
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Late to the observations on the weather in London: glorious.
On Br*x*t, Nabavi has it right. She is trying to navigate through an unwholly, virtually unsquareable mess.
No one is yet asking the right people the right questions and those who are being asked, seem to be out of their depths or terrified of saying the wrong thing (e.g. Simon Kirby to the Lords).0 -
With boundary changes yes but the rest of South Yorkshire is lost because of thisPulpstar said:
Writing off Hallam already ?TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/31/government-rules-out-orgreave-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Love the reuse of The Prisoner typeface. Seems apt.
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“There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue.”
Atul Hatwal is simply wrong on this. Firstly, it's not actually the thing with Britain prizes the most, although it's probably in the top three behind getting some restriction on freedom of movement and protecting the City. Secondly, and more importantly, coming to some deal on the automotive industry is as important to the rest of the EU (including notably Germany, France, Spain, the Czech Republic and Slovakia) as it is to the UK. So the trade-off won't be about this issue.0 -
The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat is if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat0
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Step forward TSE..?TheScreamingEagles said:The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat
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Nick Clegg?TheScreamingEagles said:The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat
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Steve Schale "grizzled veteran of Florida politics" gives a detailed assessment of the latest numbers from early voting - Conclusion - It's tight :
http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/31/almost-4-million-votes-in-and-8-days-to-go.html0 -
Clegg didn't grow up in the seat.Jonathan said:
Nick Clegg?TheScreamingEagles said:The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat
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Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
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Before Hallam he was but a boy. It made him the man he is today.TheScreamingEagles said:
Clegg didn't grow up in the seat.Jonathan said:
Nick Clegg?TheScreamingEagles said:The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat
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One of the most positive things you can say about TMay is that she's NOT Andrea Leadsomwilliamglenn said:Would she have handled things better?
https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/747346925586784256
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Let's suppose we drop out of all deals and end up with tariffs on imports and exports.
We take the tariffs from the imports to pay to the exporters, and we are back on a level footing. Nissan can continue as before.
And that's a worse-case scenario.
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Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovationdavid_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)0 -
This one is Canadian but same vein..SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/white-people-in-canoes-yes-canoes-reek-of-cultural-appropriation-says-canadian-professor/
"According to Misao Dean, Professor of English at the University of Victoria, the canoe can be a symbol of colonialism, imperialism and genocide due to history. She also accused the canoers of cultural appropriation because they are primarily white men and have a privileged place in society."0 -
It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?0
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Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
Yes I imagine those of miner stock are long time Conservative voters.....TheScreamingEagles said:
With boundary changes yes but the rest of South Yorkshire is lost because of thisPulpstar said:
Writing off Hallam already ?TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/31/government-rules-out-orgreave-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-106393770 -
Nebraska CD 02 - NSOR - Sample 400 RV - 20-24 Oct
Clinton 40 .. Trump 44
Via 538
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SeanT said:
The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.
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Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
Apple is more of a religion than a Tech Co now methinks.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.0 -
I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education SecretaryJohnO said:
Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovationdavid_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)0 -
The police were the ones law-breaking that day.TGOHF said:
Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
What Theresa May prizes most, probably, is Nissan NOT saying her government is a double-dealing incompetent shower who promised there would be no tariffs or barriers to trade with the EU and didn't deliver at all. And so we leaving Sunderland and off to France.Richard_Nabavi said:“There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue.”
Atul Hatwal is simply wrong on this. Firstly, it's not actually the thing with Britain prizes the most, although it's probably in the top three behind getting some restriction on freedom of movement and protecting the City. Secondly, and more importantly, coming to some deal on the automotive industry is as important to the rest of the EU (including notably Germany, France, Spain, the Czech Republic and Slovakia) as it is to the UK. So the trade-off won't be about this issue.
I would say M Barnier has some leverage. It also puts to bed the "don't reveal our negotiating position" nonsense.0 -
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.0 -
Interesting that Mr Brind should suggest a pronunciation for Brexit of [bregzit] whereas I would have said [breksit] ..... is this a regional thing - I originate from the Midlands?0
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Why do you think so? I think there's a lot of truth in it.FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-106393770 -
Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
Finally, one wire for everything.0 -
Using Twitter & Apple to say the whole of silicon valley & and UK have f##k all new is bollocks. Twitter are going busto & Apple are playing it safe, but so many others are not.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
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Certainly smashing the Scargillite NUM (but the UDM were ignobly betrayed by Heseltine and Major), but democratising the unions through compulsory secret ballots is how I view it. However, turnout in elections is still dismal, hence the likes of McCluskey, Serwotka et al, so moving from exclusively postal ballots should now be on the agenda.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education SecretaryJohnO said:
Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovationdavid_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)
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Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!Paristonda said:It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?
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Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.0 -
$3k for their new laptop which has inferior specs to laptops a third of the price & the cult followers will still buy it by the boat load.Pulpstar said:
Apple is more of a religion than a Tech Co now methinks.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.0 -
Except the iPhone, and the new lightning headphones that you can't use on your MacBook...Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
I could forgive them if they were consistent.0 -
Only half?SeanT said:
One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).MarkHopkins said:SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Me and my friends virtually went out of our way to be offensive at university. And we had very free speech.SeanT said:
One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).MarkHopkins said:SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
This was at Bristol.
I'm shocked to see what it is reported to have become since.0 -
I think it's the wrong decision but I give you this,May seems to take tough decisions like heathrow and now this rather than throw it in the long grass or suck up to pressure groups.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
No it's not. There were suggestions that some fans were drunk and disorderly but that's a bit different from mass intimidation with the aim of bringing down a government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
Unlike Liverpool fans at Hillsborough, the miners were not at Orgreave on a leisure trip. (Actually, in some ways they might have been but they still shouldn't have been there.)0 -
Why did Labour fail to launch an
Indeed so and that reveals the humbug and hypocrisy of those who claim to believe in defending Law & Order. It does ,however, raise the question as to why Labour failed to launch an Inquiry during its 13 years in office!SandyRentool said:
The police were the ones law-breaking that day.TGOHF said:
Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
That's when he's offensive and drunk. The other half he's just drunk.JohnO said:
Only half?SeanT said:
One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).MarkHopkins said:SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
(sorry Sean!) 0 -
New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Surely the definition of Brexit should be:peter_from_putney said:
Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!Paristonda said:It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?
"Brexit
[bregzit/breksit]
Brexit"
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USB-C can deliver 100w - I think it's likely it'll become the worlds first universal plug socket.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
Finally, one wire for everything.
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An outlier, surelyJackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/
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What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
It's certainly shocking that anyone on here would be described as an extreme right-winger.MarkHopkins said:SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.0 -
Only makes me think of this:Pong said:
USB-C can deliver 100w - I think it's likely it'll become the worlds first universal plug socket.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
Finally, one wire for everything.
https://xkcd.com/927/
Notice the tooltip...0 -
That's the great irony, Scargill was right all along about pit closures. It didn't help the Notts miners one iota in 1992 when Heseltine screwed the industry over.JohnO said:
Certainly smashing the Scargillite NUM (but the UDM were ignobly betrayed by Heseltine and Major), but democratising the unions through compulsory secret ballots is how I view it. However, turnout in elections is still dismal, hence the likes of McCluskey, Serwotka et al, so moving from exclusively postal ballots should now be on the agenda.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education SecretaryJohnO said:
Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovationdavid_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
(Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)0 -
bregzit - the pronunciation in the areas that voted for it.RobD said:
Surely the definition of Brexit should be:peter_from_putney said:
Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!Paristonda said:It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?
"Brexit
[bregzit/breksit]
Brexit"
breksit - the pronunciation in the areas that are lumbered with it.0 -
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
Me too, although I rather doubt he'd choose to return. One of his areas of expertise was US Politics ..... we punters could have done with his usually very accurate forecasting, along with his spreadsheets, etc.SeanT said:
One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).MarkHopkins said:SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Brilliant.RobD said:
Surely the definition of Brexit should be:peter_from_putney said:
Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!Paristonda said:It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?
"Brexit
[bregzit/breksit]
Brexit"0 -
Oh if only people could just.... BEHAVE when they reply to the pollsters.MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
IIRC he has been banned before and did return?peter_from_putney said:
Me too, although I rather doubt he'd choose to return. One of his areas of expertise was US Politics ..... we punters could have done with his usually very accurate forecasting, along with his spreadsheets, etc.SeanT said:
One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).MarkHopkins said:SeanT said:The death of the American University, part 934
twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856
Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?
Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
He denied your arbeit macht frei line.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Does 7 hours charge too in 15 minutes too apparently.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.0
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In that case he deserved to be banned.JohnO said:
He denied your arbeit macht frei line.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
He propagated the most obscene and dangerous conspiracy theory in human history: that the Stratford man didn't write the plays of Shakespeare.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
Anecdotal: Saw two Trump adverts to zero Hillary whilst watching US TV on sunday.0
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Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
LA Times rolling is Trump 46.6 ; Clinton 43.2 .Pulling away.0
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PrinceofTaranto said:
LA Times rolling is Trump 46.6 ; Clinton 43.2 .Pulling away.
Tears of stone, heart of laughter etc.JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
USB-C charging really is great. You can put it on for 5 minutes between remembering it was low and leaving the house and that will be a meaningful improvement.Pulpstar said:
Does 7 hours charge too in 15 minutes too apparently.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
One battle in a war with no angels on either side. The miners invited a kicking by taking on the state. Was anyone really surprised when they got one?SandyRentool said:
The police were the ones law-breaking that day.TGOHF said:
Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?0 -
He went from Holocaust denial to pure anti-Semite because Michael Foster, who brought the court case about Corbyn automatically being on the ballot, is Jewish.edmundintokyo said:
Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
Some real anti Semitic tropes were used and Mike's patience expired.0 -
Yes, that and Maine CD2. Bush won NH in 2000...peter_from_putney said:
Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/
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Correction: and Gorilla Glass, so you don't have to treat it like it's made of fine bone china. I'm seriously tempted too but the price is astronomical.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
Why are @Indigo and @Ishmael_X banned?edmundintokyo said:
Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Are they? No idea.TOPPING said:
Why are @Indigo and @Ishmael_X banned?edmundintokyo said:
Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.justin124 said:
What did he do that caused him to be banned?edmundintokyo said:
Seconded.SeanT said:
Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.0 -
Some years ago councils were instructed not to show the party voted for when postal votes are opened and checked.Pulpstar said:If Atul can check the postal votes in Richmond, I for one would be grateful.
So in theory nothing can be gained by observing postal votes until the night of the count.0 -
Putting aside missing USB connections, the post Brexit pricing for the MacBooks is so insane they can't be justified.RobD said:
Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
Vermont used to be solidly Republican too.brokenwheel said:
Yes, that and Maine CD2. Bush won NH in 2000...peter_from_putney said:
Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
Strange* then that the government and police don't want to allow an enquiry to validate that view of events.MarqueeMark said:
One battle in a war with no angels on either side. The miners invited a kicking by taking on the state. Was anyone really surprised when they got one?SandyRentool said:
The police were the ones law-breaking that day.TGOHF said:
Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.david_herdson said:
Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.
Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
*not strange.0 -
RobD said:
An outlier, surely
This is a landline only poll that previously was Trump +9. Most polls have Clinton outside the MoE and 538 average has her up about +5.MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
I was ready to buy one until I tried it. The UI has sliders that don't slide - you have to press them like buttons. Android just isn't as refined, sadly.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
Oh dear.
You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...
It's depressing that some peoplelike Brexiteersare still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...0 -
Its better because it's Google.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0 -
airpods = pile of shit.Scott_P said:Oh dear.
You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...
It's depressing that some peoplelike Brexiteersare still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...0 -
BANG ON.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
I am am/was an Apple fanboy but the headphone jack omission is beyond stupid. The 3.5mm jack was one of those rare things of beauty in hifi tech - a bone fide industry standard, that worked, was ubiquitous and backwards and forwards* compatible. Almost every household has a 3.5mm cable, meaning music can be played anywhere by anyone. It was seriously stupid to remove the jack. I love my iPhone 6+ and will not be upgrading.0 -
Wasn't that in July that Trump was plus 9 ? Different times.JackW said:RobD said:An outlier, surely
This is a landline only poll that previously was Trump +9. Most polls have Clinton outside the MoE and 538 average has her up about +5.MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/0 -
MarqueeMark said:
Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?JackW said:New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct
Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1
http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/
Yes – that is a terrible poll for Clinton.0 -
It's depressing that some peopleScott_P said:Oh dear.
You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...
It's depressing that some peoplelike Brexiteersare still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...like Remainersfollow Apple like a cult and convince themselves that no headphone jack and shattertastic screens are just great.0 -
I often charge my phone from my laptop while traveling. That wouldn't be possible without said adaptor. Utterly stupid they didn't include a USB-C cable inside the iPhone box.Scott_P said:Oh dear.
You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.
Without Wires! It's like Magic !
Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...
It's depressing that some peoplelike Brexiteersare still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...0 -
Every household had a 3.5" floppyJobabob said:I am am/was an Apple fanboy but the headphone jack omission is beyond stupid. The 3.5mm jack was one of those rare things of beauty in hifi tech - a bone fide industry standard, that worked, was ubiquitous and backwards and forwards* compatible. Almost every household has a 3.5mm cable, meaning music can be played anywhere by anyone. It was seriously stupid to remove the jack. I love my iPhone 6+ and will not be upgrading.
My phone connects Bluetooth to the devices I use for playback and calls.
It's like MAGIC !
The only thing I plug into it is a charger.0 -
I think the price has gone up here in the US too, but maybe not by as much.Gardenwalker said:
Putting aside missing USB connections, the post Brexit pricing for the MacBooks is so insane they can't be justified.RobD said:
Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.SeanT said:
Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???RobD said:
Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.Pong said:
I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.SeanT said:
He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)FrancisUrquhart said:One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
It's the way forward.
Finally, one wire for everything.
That's a seriously dysfunctional company.
I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.0
