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The new Select committee on Exiting the European Union, who will hold their first meeting on Wednesday, will have the opportunity to shape the debate on what Brexit actual means.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    Love that mug
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    On topic she'll have to reveal the deal.

    Others will demand the same.

    Unless we're staying in the customs union.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    edited October 2016
    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    Real first.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    If Atul can check the postal votes in Richmond, I for one would be grateful.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    tlg86 said:

    Real first.

    Recount !
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Writing off Hallam already ?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Is there any subject on which Mr Brind's opinion has proved correct? Betting tips perhaps, just not in the way intended.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,317
    Late to the observations on the weather in London: glorious.

    On Br*x*t, Nabavi has it right. She is trying to navigate through an unwholly, virtually unsquareable mess.

    No one is yet asking the right people the right questions and those who are being asked, seem to be out of their depths or terrified of saying the wrong thing (e.g. Simon Kirby to the Lords).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Writing off Hallam already ?
    With boundary changes yes but the rest of South Yorkshire is lost because of this

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/31/government-rules-out-orgreave-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Love the reuse of The Prisoner typeface. Seems apt.

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2016
    “There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue.”

    Atul Hatwal is simply wrong on this. Firstly, it's not actually the thing with Britain prizes the most, although it's probably in the top three behind getting some restriction on freedom of movement and protecting the City. Secondly, and more importantly, coming to some deal on the automotive industry is as important to the rest of the EU (including notably Germany, France, Spain, the Czech Republic and Slovakia) as it is to the UK. So the trade-off won't be about this issue.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    edited October 2016
    The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat is if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

    Step forward TSE..?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

    Nick Clegg?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Steve Schale "grizzled veteran of Florida politics" gives a detailed assessment of the latest numbers from early voting - Conclusion - It's tight :

    http://steveschale.squarespace.com/blog/2016/10/31/almost-4-million-votes-in-and-8-days-to-go.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

    Nick Clegg?
    Clegg didn't grow up in the seat.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Would she have handled things better?

    https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/747346925586784256
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The only way the Tories can take Hallam or its successor seat if they choose a charismatic one nation Tory who grew up in the seat and now lives in the seat

    Nick Clegg?
    Clegg didn't grow up in the seat.
    Before Hallam he was but a boy. It made him the man he is today.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    williamglenn said:

    Would she have handled things better?

    https://twitter.com/andrealeadsom/status/747346925586784256

    One of the most positive things you can say about TMay is that she's NOT Andrea Leadsom

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Let's suppose we drop out of all deals and end up with tariffs on imports and exports.

    We take the tariffs from the imports to pay to the exporters, and we are back on a level footing. Nissan can continue as before.

    And that's a worse-case scenario.

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

    (Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    https://twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856

    This one is Canadian but same vein..

    http://heatst.com/culture-wars/white-people-in-canoes-yes-canoes-reek-of-cultural-appropriation-says-canadian-professor/

    "According to Misao Dean, Professor of English at the University of Victoria, the canoe can be a symbol of colonialism, imperialism and genocide due to history. She also accused the canoers of cultural appropriation because they are primarily white men and have a privileged place in society."
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,844
    It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Writing off Hallam already ?
    With boundary changes yes but the rest of South Yorkshire is lost because of this

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/31/government-rules-out-orgreave-inquiry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Yes I imagine those of miner stock are long time Conservative voters.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited October 2016
    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Nebraska CD 02 - NSOR - Sample 400 RV - 20-24 Oct

    Clinton 40 .. Trump 44

    Via 538

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
    Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    Apple is more of a religion than a Tech Co now methinks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    JohnO said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

    (Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)
    I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education Secretary
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,373
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
    Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.
    The police were the ones law-breaking that day.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    “There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue.”

    Atul Hatwal is simply wrong on this. Firstly, it's not actually the thing with Britain prizes the most, although it's probably in the top three behind getting some restriction on freedom of movement and protecting the City. Secondly, and more importantly, coming to some deal on the automotive industry is as important to the rest of the EU (including notably Germany, France, Spain, the Czech Republic and Slovakia) as it is to the UK. So the trade-off won't be about this issue.

    What Theresa May prizes most, probably, is Nissan NOT saying her government is a double-dealing incompetent shower who promised there would be no tariffs or barriers to trade with the EU and didn't deliver at all. And so we leaving Sunderland and off to France.

    I would say M Barnier has some leverage. It also puts to bed the "don't reveal our negotiating position" nonsense.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Interesting that Mr Brind should suggest a pronunciation for Brexit of [bregzit] whereas I would have said [breksit] ..... is this a regional thing - I originate from the Midlands?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    Why do you think so? I think there's a lot of truth in it.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited October 2016
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    Using Twitter & Apple to say the whole of silicon valley & and UK have f##k all new is bollocks. Twitter are going busto & Apple are playing it safe, but so many others are not.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    edited October 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

    (Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)
    I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education Secretary
    Certainly smashing the Scargillite NUM (but the UDM were ignobly betrayed by Heseltine and Major), but democratising the unions through compulsory secret ballots is how I view it. However, turnout in elections is still dismal, hence the likes of McCluskey, Serwotka et al, so moving from exclusively postal ballots should now be on the agenda.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Paristonda said:

    It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

    Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited October 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    Apple is more of a religion than a Tech Co now methinks.
    $3k for their new laptop which has inferior specs to laptops a third of the price & the cult followers will still buy it by the boat load.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Except the iPhone, and the new lightning headphones that you can't use on your MacBook...

    I could forgive them if they were consistent.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    SeanT said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

    One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
    Only half?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    SeanT said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

    One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
    Me and my friends virtually went out of our way to be offensive at university. And we had very free speech.

    This was at Bristol.

    I'm shocked to see what it is reported to have become since.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    I think it's the wrong decision but I give you this,May seems to take tough decisions like heathrow and now this rather than throw it in the long grass or suck up to pressure groups.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
    No it's not. There were suggestions that some fans were drunk and disorderly but that's a bit different from mass intimidation with the aim of bringing down a government.

    Unlike Liverpool fans at Hillsborough, the miners were not at Orgreave on a leisure trip. (Actually, in some ways they might have been but they still shouldn't have been there.)
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Why did Labour fail to launch an
    SandyRentool said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
    Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.
    The police were the ones law-breaking that day.
    Indeed so and that reveals the humbug and hypocrisy of those who claim to believe in defending Law & Order. It does ,however, raise the question as to why Labour failed to launch an Inquiry during its 13 years in office!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    JohnO said:

    SeanT said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

    One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
    Only half?
    That's when he's offensive and drunk. The other half he's just drunk. :p (sorry Sean!)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    peter_from_putney said:

    Paristonda said:

    It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

    Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!
    Surely the definition of Brexit should be:

    "Brexit
    [bregzit/breksit]

    Brexit"

    :D
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.
    USB-C can deliver 100w - I think it's likely it'll become the worlds first universal plug socket.

    ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    An outlier, surely :o
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,165
    edited October 2016
    MarkHopkins said:

    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

    It's certainly shocking that anyone on here would be described as an extreme right-winger.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    edited October 2016
    Pong said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone USB-C. It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Just got to wait for all my device to catch up with my USB-C mobile phone, then I won't need so many chargers.
    USB-C can deliver 100w - I think it's likely it'll become the worlds first universal plug socket.

    ;)
    Only makes me think of this:

    https://xkcd.com/927/

    Notice the tooltip...
  • AllyPally_RobAllyPally_Rob Posts: 605
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Thunderous applause and prolonged standing ovation

    (Oops that's more Arthur and the NUM)
    I'm on team Thatcher and I reckon smashing the unions was one of her finest achievements up there with setting up the single market and closing/merging so many grammar schools as Education Secretary
    Certainly smashing the Scargillite NUM (but the UDM were ignobly betrayed by Heseltine and Major), but democratising the unions through compulsory secret ballots is how I view it. However, turnout in elections is still dismal, hence the likes of McCluskey, Serwotka et al, so moving from exclusively postal ballots should now be on the agenda.
    That's the great irony, Scargill was right all along about pit closures. It didn't help the Notts miners one iota in 1992 when Heseltine screwed the industry over.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    RobD said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    Paristonda said:

    It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

    Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!
    Surely the definition of Brexit should be:

    "Brexit
    [bregzit/breksit]

    Brexit"

    :D
    bregzit - the pronunciation in the areas that voted for it.
    breksit - the pronunciation in the areas that are lumbered with it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,873
    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    SeanT said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

    One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
    Me too, although I rather doubt he'd choose to return. One of his areas of expertise was US Politics ..... we punters could have done with his usually very accurate forecasting, along with his spreadsheets, etc.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    RobD said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    Paristonda said:

    It's pronounced Brek-sit not Breg-zit in the UK, surely?

    Snap - I've just seen your earlier version of my post!
    Surely the definition of Brexit should be:

    "Brexit
    [bregzit/breksit]

    Brexit"

    :D
    Brilliant.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
    Oh if only people could just.... BEHAVE when they reply to the pollsters.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    peter_from_putney said:

    SeanT said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    SeanT said:

    The death of the American University, part 934

    twitter.com/JonHaidt/status/793085279024377856


    Is it any different elsewhere, like on here?

    Say something legitimately critical about Clinton, and get accused of being an extreme right-winger. Or worse.

    One reason I use PB so much is that it welcomes such a broad spectrum of views, and allows commenters to be downright offensive, and drunk (e.g. me half the time).

    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.
    Me too, although I rather doubt he'd choose to return. One of his areas of expertise was US Politics ..... we punters could have done with his usually very accurate forecasting, along with his spreadsheets, etc.
    IIRC he has been banned before and did return?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    He denied your arbeit macht frei line.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Does 7 hours charge too in 15 minutes too apparently.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,891
    Good afternoon, everyone.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    JohnO said:

    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    He denied your arbeit macht frei line.
    In that case he deserved to be banned.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,403
    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    He propagated the most obscene and dangerous conspiracy theory in human history: that the Stratford man didn't write the plays of Shakespeare.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    Anecdotal: Saw two Trump adverts to zero Hillary whilst watching US TV on sunday.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
    Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.
  • PrinceofTarantoPrinceofTaranto Posts: 335
    LA Times rolling is Trump 46.6 ; Clinton 43.2 .Pulling away.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,100
    PrinceofTaranto said:

    LA Times rolling is Trump 46.6 ; Clinton 43.2 .Pulling away.

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Tears of stone, heart of laughter etc.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Does 7 hours charge too in 15 minutes too apparently.
    USB-C charging really is great. You can put it on for 5 minutes between remembering it was low and leaving the house and that will be a meaningful improvement.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,873
    SandyRentool said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
    Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.
    The police were the ones law-breaking that day.
    One battle in a war with no angels on either side. The miners invited a kicking by taking on the state. Was anyone really surprised when they got one?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,759
    edmundintokyo said:

    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.
    He went from Holocaust denial to pure anti-Semite because Michael Foster, who brought the court case about Corbyn automatically being on the ballot, is Jewish.

    Some real anti Semitic tropes were used and Mike's patience expired.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
    Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.
    Yes, that and Maine CD2. Bush won NH in 2000...
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Correction: and Gorilla Glass, so you don't have to treat it like it's made of fine bone china. I'm seriously tempted too but the price is astronomical.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,317
    edmundintokyo said:

    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.
    Why are @Indigo and @Ishmael_X banned?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    TOPPING said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    justin124 said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    SeanT said:


    Still think Rod Crosby should be allowed back in, after doing his probation, tho.

    Seconded.
    What did he do that caused him to be banned?
    Can't remember the details, I think it was holocaust-related.
    Why are @Indigo and @Ishmael_X banned?
    Are they? No idea.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Pulpstar said:

    If Atul can check the postal votes in Richmond, I for one would be grateful.

    Some years ago councils were instructed not to show the party voted for when postal votes are opened and checked.

    So in theory nothing can be gained by observing postal votes until the night of the count.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,539
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.
    Putting aside missing USB connections, the post Brexit pricing for the MacBooks is so insane they can't be justified.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    brokenwheel said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
    Indeed although IIRC, it's the closest of the New England States.
    Yes, that and Maine CD2. Bush won NH in 2000...
    Vermont used to be solidly Republican too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,165
    MarqueeMark said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well the Tories won't be taking any South Yorkshire seats at the next general election now.

    Absolutely the right decision on Orgreave. About time someone politely told the victim culture class where to go.

    Apart from being 32 years ago, where many witnesses will be at best some way removed from the events and susceptible to selective memories, or 'memories' reinforced by the popular narrative that's since developed. A skewed inquiry into just Orgreave would also miss the fundamental point that the miners were illegally on strike, were illegally picketing and were aiming to put their union above the law.

    Perhaps Dennis Skinner could resign to fight a byelection?
    Except that's what they said about the Hillsborough inquiry.
    Except 96 people died there. The only death at Orgreave was the miners dream that they could overthrow a government by law breaking.
    The police were the ones law-breaking that day.
    One battle in a war with no angels on either side. The miners invited a kicking by taking on the state. Was anyone really surprised when they got one?
    Strange* then that the government and police don't want to allow an enquiry to validate that view of events.

    *not strange.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    An outlier, surely :o

    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
    This is a landline only poll that previously was Trump +9. Most polls have Clinton outside the MoE and 538 average has her up about +5.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    I was ready to buy one until I tried it. The UI has sliders that don't slide - you have to press them like buttons. Android just isn't as refined, sadly.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh dear.

    You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

    It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Its better because it's Google.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear.

    You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

    It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

    airpods = pile of shit.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    BANG ON.

    I am am/was an Apple fanboy but the headphone jack omission is beyond stupid. The 3.5mm jack was one of those rare things of beauty in hifi tech - a bone fide industry standard, that worked, was ubiquitous and backwards and forwards* compatible. Almost every household has a 3.5mm cable, meaning music can be played anywhere by anyone. It was seriously stupid to remove the jack. I love my iPhone 6+ and will not be upgrading.
  • PrinceofTarantoPrinceofTaranto Posts: 335
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    An outlier, surely :o

    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?
    This is a landline only poll that previously was Trump +9. Most polls have Clinton outside the MoE and 538 average has her up about +5.
    Wasn't that in July that Trump was plus 9 ? Different times.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    MarqueeMark said:

    JackW said:

    New Hampshire - Inside Sources - Sample 408 - 26-28 Oct

    Clinton 45.5 .. Trump 47.1

    http://www.insidesources.com/poll-ayotte-leads-in-final-stretch-as-hassan-faces-headwinds-from-clinton-support/

    Weren't there some big Clinton leads in NH?

    Yes – that is a terrible poll for Clinton.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear.

    You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

    It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

    It's depressing that some people like Remainers follow Apple like a cult and convince themselves that no headphone jack and shattertastic screens are just great.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear.

    You can absolutely connect your iPhone to your Macbook Pro.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    And you can listen you your Macbook Pro on your iPhone Airpods.

    Without Wires! It's like Magic !

    Kinda sorta seems like maybe the future. Like Apple has been inventing for decades...

    It's depressing that some people like Brexiteers are still mourning the loss of the floppy disk...

    I often charge my phone from my laptop while traveling. That wouldn't be possible without said adaptor. Utterly stupid they didn't include a USB-C cable inside the iPhone box.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jobabob said:

    I am am/was an Apple fanboy but the headphone jack omission is beyond stupid. The 3.5mm jack was one of those rare things of beauty in hifi tech - a bone fide industry standard, that worked, was ubiquitous and backwards and forwards* compatible. Almost every household has a 3.5mm cable, meaning music can be played anywhere by anyone. It was seriously stupid to remove the jack. I love my iPhone 6+ and will not be upgrading.

    Every household had a 3.5" floppy

    My phone connects Bluetooth to the devices I use for playback and calls.

    It's like MAGIC !

    The only thing I plug into it is a charger.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,705
    Gardenwalker said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    Pong said:

    SeanT said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    One of the most incorrect & frankly ridiculously articles I have read in a long time.

    http://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-apple-and-silicon-valley-no-longer-own-the-future-10639377

    He's right about Apple tho. They're running on fumes. The new iPhone doesn't have a headphone jack, the new MacBooks don't have normal USBs (so you can't connect them to your iPhone!!)

    They're innovating for the sake of it, rather than actually "innovating". They're making their products worse just so they can say they've changed. Dim.
    I'm really grateful apple has gone with USB-C.

    It's the way forward.

    Finally, one wire for everything.
    Yes, unfortunately you can't connect your new iPhone to your new Macbook without buying an adaptor. The same goes for the headphones that come with the iPhone. Ridiculous, and I'm a user of both.
    Yes, this is what amazed me. Did the people who designed the new Apple MacBook not talk to the people who designed the new Apple iPhone???

    That's a seriously dysfunctional company.

    I'm gonna try the new Google Pixel, it's apparently just like an iPhone, but it has a headphone jack.
    Same as me - currently have both a Macbook and an iPhone and am seriously considering switching when I want to upgrade.
    Putting aside missing USB connections, the post Brexit pricing for the MacBooks is so insane they can't be justified.
    I think the price has gone up here in the US too, but maybe not by as much.
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