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Reading his article it almost appears like some massive trolling effort which will further focus attention on the group set up to support Corbyn and mould Labour in a manner that is causing massive controversy.
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First for a long time?0
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Second like Oily Smith.0
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Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?0
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I've just the song for them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co maybe they could sing it at the holiday camps Momentum will no doubt establish.MikeK said:Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?
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We now know who the attacker was in the Mall - another nutcase called Dave - or rather a Somali called "Dahir Adan".0
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Sounds like Putin's Nashi youth group.0
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Corbyn Youth! Of course.weejonnie said:
I've just the song for them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co maybe they could sing it at the holiday camps Momentum will no doubt establish.MikeK said:Are they going to call Momentum Kids "Young Pioneers"?
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Is it just me, or do they look like mini Theresa Mays and Michael Goves.....Scott_P said:0 -
I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...0
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Every Momentumlet will be required to set up a Corbyn corner at home with anti-Blairite pictures, poems, and sayings.0
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Well at least this will help MI5 catch them while they are young.0
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Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party suffered a historic loss in Berlin state elections Sunday while the right-wing populist AfD gained fresh support, riding a wave of popular anger over her open-door refugee policy.
The anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party won around 14 percent, according to public broadcasters' projections, in the capital which has long prided itself on being a hip, diverse and multicultural city.
The strong AfD result, thanks to support especially in the vast tower block districts in Berlin's former communist east, meant it has now won opposition seats in ten of Germany's 16 states, a year ahead of national elections.
The Drudge Report.0 -
I'm now laughing out loud at the idea of MI5 agents sending their children to Momentum Kids meetings.glw said:Well at least this will help MI5 catch them while they are young.
If this thing is true it's probably the most wtf thing to come out of Corbyn Labour since McDonnell reading out of the Little Red Book.0 -
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AndyJS said:
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How representative are Berlin voters of German voters in general?
Not much! As someone else said, it's very like London. But a couple of the elements are probably meaningful - I think that elsewhere too people see the AfD as a good protest party; mainly but not only about immigration; they are doing well among the unemployed; the Left (unusually on an international scale) is generally seen as quite competent and a young person's party; CDU voters feel it's all rather a shambles.0 -
Meanwhile, the German SPD, despite following the Labour "moderates"' playbook, continue in their death spiral.NickPalmer said:FPT:
AndyJS said:
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How representative are Berlin voters of German voters in general?
Not much! As someone else said, it's very like London. But a couple of the elements are probably meaningful - I think that elsewhere too people see the AfD as a good protest party; mainly but not only about immigration; they are doing well among the unemployed; the Left (unusually on an international scale) is generally seen as quite competent and a young person's party; CDU voters feel it's all rather a shambles.0 -
Just plain f**king creepy. On first reading it could be confused with a paedophile front.0
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Drudge is wrong - the AfD did best in the outer suburbs (where there aren't many immigrants - they did worst in Kreuzberg where there are lots); the Left and the Socialists dominated the tower block areas. You can see the pattern if you scroll down onMikeK said:Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party suffered a historic loss in Berlin state elections Sunday while the right-wing populist AfD gained fresh support, riding a wave of popular anger over her open-door refugee policy.
The anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party won around 14 percent, according to public broadcasters' projections, in the capital which has long prided itself on being a hip, diverse and multicultural city.
The strong AfD result, thanks to support especially in the vast tower block districts in Berlin's former communist east, meant it has now won opposition seats in ten of Germany's 16 states, a year ahead of national elections.
The Drudge Report.
http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berlin/wahl/liveticker-spd-sackt-in-hochrechnungen-weiter-ab--afd-gewinnt-mehrere-wahlkreise-24761196
and click on the individual districts.0 -
The FBI has said it is treating a stabbing attack at a shopping centre in Minnesota that injured eight people as an act of terrorism.
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Young children in
North Koreathe UK are being brainwashed to ensure they will support ruler Kim Jong-unCorbyn....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278695/How-North-Korea-s-brainwashing-plans-foiled-Queen-Elsa-Children-taught-hate-U-S-kindergarten-secretly-love-pop-music-Frozen.html
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The mood music suggests the briefing from the Corbyn camp is correct. He's going to win by a bigger margin than last year. The day after Watson said Corbyn's internal reform plans would make Labour like Syriza briefing has started that next year's leadership contest will be a Corbynista challenge against Watson. We can only pray for SDP2 but t seems cultural loyalty to the Labour and Lib Dem brands is still two strong. It's an extraordinary mess. Mess doesn't really seem adequate.0
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Three servicemen who face being prosecuted for manslaughter over the death of an Iraqi teenager were cleared a decade ago, after it emerged that key witnesses had lied about the claims and were paid expenses in exchange for their testimony.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/18/soldiers-facing-prosecution-for-iraq-drowning-were-cleared-a-dec/0 -
On Topic, I've long argued that progressives should have aggressively engaged in the governments Free Schools programme. The Cooperative Movement, Unions, blue chip Charities, mutuals, blue chip campaigning organisations like Amnesty and Greenpeace. The financial, organisational and branding opportunities of these groups are enormous. So much of British Left thinking is predicated on class *immobility*. A working class reproduces it's self biologically and it's economic situation reproduces identical class consciousness. The fact this reproduction is close to dead after 50 years of social progress is a *good* thing. Though the left's necropolis cult approach to politics strangely mourns the passing of economic conditions it was created to kill. So investing in political, ethical and values based education for children s a great way forward. How we think about and create change is changing ! Old structures won't do. The churches and ( most ) ethnic minority groups are very smart at this hence there fascination with providing or colonising state education or some schools in particular. What was it the Jesuits sad ?0
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Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.0 -
Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?Black_Rook said:
Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.0 -
Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.
Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.
We all know what Trump is going to say.0 -
Labour may very well end up splitting, but even if a majority of MPs leave to set up a new party the risk is as follows:YellowSubmarine said:The mood music suggests the briefing from the Corbyn camp is correct. He's going to win by a bigger margin than last year. The day after Watson said Corbyn's internal reform plans would make Labour like Syriza briefing has started that next year's leadership contest will be a Corbynista challenge against Watson. We can only pray for SDP2 but t seems cultural loyalty to the Labour and Lib Dem brands is still two strong. It's an extraordinary mess. Mess doesn't really seem adequate.
1. That Rump Labour will fight it tooth and nail, and end up holding a lot of its seats
2. That quite a lot of what's left will become vulnerable to the Tories, and possibly even Ukip, should Rump Labour and SDP2 find themselves fighting each other hard and splitting the Left-leaning vote in a lot of seats
3. That SDP2 will end up unelectable as a Government, because many moderate voters can see it can't win a majority, and won't risk ending up with a leftist coalition that also includes the SNP and Rump Labour
It may take several electoral cycles for a serious challenger to emerge to take on the Tories - and there's no absolute guarantee that the new opposition won't come from the Conservative Party itself splitting into two Right-leaning factions, after the Left has been driven back into a few remaining strongholds and marginalised.0 -
I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?Black_Rook said:
Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.0 -
The pilot I saw was quite good. It featured 'Mr Ken' who would step out through a secret door to travel in time and reveal the true story behind often misunderstood events.Black_Rook said:
I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?Black_Rook said:
Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.0 -
No shit SherlockFrancisUrquhart said:The FBI has said it is treating a stabbing attack at a shopping centre in Minnesota that injured eight people as an act of terrorism.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
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Is anyone watching the Triathlon on BBC Red Button?
Sporting drama alright.0 -
Black_Rook said:
Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.
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Clapswilliamglenn said:
The pilot I saw was quite good. It featured 'Mr Ken' who would step out through a secret door to travel in time and reveal the true story behind often misunderstood events.Black_Rook said:
I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?Black_Rook said:
Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.0 -
All this reminds of the joke, what would happen if the Communists took control of the Sahara?
Nothing for five years, then it would run out of sand.0 -
@Black_Rook
'1. That Rump Labour will fight it tooth and nail, and end up holding a lot of its seats
2. That quite a lot of what's left will become vulnerable to the Tories, and possibly even Ukip, should Rump Labour and SDP2 find themselves fighting each other hard and splitting the Left-leaning vote in a lot of seats
3. That SDP2 will end up unelectable as a Government, because many moderate voters can see it can't win a majority, and won't risk ending up with a leftist coalition that also includes the SNP and Rump Labour'
Can't see an SDP2 as SDP1 with some big names got nowhere and their potential centre partners the Lib Dems are already reduced to a rump.
Unlike the early 80's the protest voters now have a wide selection of other parties.
The moderate Labour MP's that had caeers before politics will gradually throw in the towel as they won't want to hang around another 9 years in the hope that they finally get an electable leader
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No pearls of wisdom on the events in the US?Y0kel said:All this reminds of the joke, what would happen if the Communists took control of the Sahara?
Nothing for five years, then it would run out of sand.0 -
Momentum Kids
Can't wait to launch!
Timetable:
9AM-10AM: Flag waving with Seamus
10AM-11AM: 'How to Deselect' with John
12PM-1PM: Statistics with Eoin0 -
Not that different from SDP Mk1 - there were only 11 Liberal MPs elected in 1979, compared to 8 LibDems today.john_zims said:Can't see an SDP2 as SDP1 with some big names got nowhere and their potential centre partners the Lib Dems are already reduced to a rump.
But I agree that SDP Mk2 seems unlikely.0 -
Al Qaeda promoted device but its methodology is widespread. As I mentioned the other night IS has found elements of its efforts in Europe compromised and is desperately seeking to strike, as is Al Qaeda who need to remind everyone that they are still there.FrancisUrquhart said:
No pearls of wisdom on the events in the US?Y0kel said:All this reminds of the joke, what would happen if the Communists took control of the Sahara?
Nothing for five years, then it would run out of sand.
No reason to believe the US situation is any different but there are a few missing links regarding things in NY & NJ and the authorities are still piecing things. The usual IS channels have yet to inform as well.0 -
May I suggest an alternative for the 9AM programme...."Fun with Flags"PlatoSaid said:Momentum Kids
Can't wait to launch!
Timetable:
9AM-10AM: Flag waving with Seamus
10AM-11AM: 'How to Deselect' with John
12PM-1PM: Statistics with Eoin0 -
Minnesota poll - Trump closes on Hillary - gap now 6.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/survey-trump-may-beat-romney-mccain-in-blue-minnesota/article/2602137?custom_click=rss0 -
"A bomb that injured 29 people on Saturday in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan, and another that failed to detonate, were filled with shrapnel and made with pressure cookers, flip phones and Christmas lights that set off a powerful explosive compound, law enforcement officials said on Sunday.
Both bombs appeared designed to create maximum chaos and fatalities — they also provided a trove of clues even as any suspects remained unnervingly at large.
A top law enforcement official said that pressure cookers were filled with “fragmentation materials.” The bomb that exploded, at 23rd Street, was filled with small bearings or metal BBs.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/19/nyregion/new-york-explosion-chelsea.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&referer=0 -
All FIVE bombs that were found in the New York area used flip phones as a detonator: Fears grow of link between failed New Jersey attack and IED blast in Manhattan that injured 29
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3795654/Old-fashioned-flip-phones-five-explosive-devices-used-Saturday-related.html
News to me that there were in fact 3 bombs in NJ.0 -
Well that's a way to start a book review
"By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/0 -
Jeb follows that well trodden path - playing an uber driver...
Variety
#Emmys: Jeb Bush makes surprise appearance in @JimmyKimmel's opening sketch https://t.co/HgvPtPl8GX0 -
Text of Momentum Kids leaflet
Not a joke. Momentum launch socialist "kids" wing for "children’s involvement". Includes education program #TrotTots https://t.co/93jEIs18PK0 -
There are some good funnies under the #TrotTots hashtag.PlatoSaid said:Text of Momentum Kids leaflet
Not a joke. Momentum launch socialist "kids" wing for "children’s involvement". Includes education program #TrotTots https://t.co/93jEIs18PK0 -
'Twitter Blocking For Beginners' with Uncle Éoin #TrotTots0
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Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....0
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No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....
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I've no idea where they got this idea....PlatoSaid said:
No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....
http://uk.businessinsider.com/hamas-kid-summer-camp-2016-8?r=US&IR=T0 -
I just checked the comments under #MomentumKids and they couldn't be more polarised. Either an appalling idea or fantastic!!!FrancisUrquhart said:
I've no idea where they got this idea....PlatoSaid said:
No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....
http://uk.businessinsider.com/hamas-kid-summer-camp-2016-8?r=US&IR=T
It's weird.0 -
What a fantastic Paralympics closing ceremony. Moving and a great show. And uncompromisingly Brazilian which is a good thing. What on earth possesed C4 though ? Printing up viewer tweets across the bottom 20% of the screen then having the commentator read them out as well during a live performance ? An utterly bizzare, rude and disrespectful editorial decision unfitting for a publicly owned broadcaster.0
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UK business confidence at four-year low
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/19/uk-business-confidence-at-four-year-low?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
It's not the Labour moderates playbook, it's the LibDem "go into coalition with the conservatives" playbook.Danny565 said:
Meanwhile, the German SPD, despite following the Labour "moderates"' playbook, continue in their death spiral.NickPalmer said:FPT:
AndyJS said:
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How representative are Berlin voters of German voters in general?
Not much! As someone else said, it's very like London. But a couple of the elements are probably meaningful - I think that elsewhere too people see the AfD as a good protest party; mainly but not only about immigration; they are doing well among the unemployed; the Left (unusually on an international scale) is generally seen as quite competent and a young person's party; CDU voters feel it's all rather a shambles.0 -
Carmakers look to move research roles to eastern Europe after Brexit vote
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/19/carmakers-look-to-move-research-roles-to-eastern-europe-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
Nothing new, according to the article.YellowSubmarine said:Carmakers look to move research roles to eastern Europe after Brexit vote
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/19/carmakers-look-to-move-research-roles-to-eastern-europe-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
How to picket with uncle Len - special session on dealing with scabs.PlatoSaid said:
No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....
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Nazionism, a Primer. S Chakrabarti, Victoria Street Press, 2016Black_Rook said:
I'm given to understand that work is in progress on an illustrated book aimed at explaining the concept to the 7-10 age group, but that it hasn't been finished quite in time for the big launch.FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't they also need to be taught the connection between Hitler's Nazi Party and the Zionists?Black_Rook said:
Doctors and Nurses: little ones dress up as doctors and nurses, then go on a protest march against vicious Tory cuts.MP_SE said:I wonder what would be on the curriculum for the Momentum Youth group...
Proletarian Teletubbies: little ones rejoice as capitalist oppressor Tinky Winky is deposed and driven into exile, and his luxury handbag is confiscated. A soviet is established and the production of tubby tustard and tubby toast is collectivised. Later, Po is tried for counter-revolutionary activity and shot.
Screenings of various Disney princess movies, after which little ones are encouraged to denounce the many selfish and arbitrary excesses of the cruel nobles depicted, and discuss how best their downtrodden subjects might seek to overthrow them.
Computer literacy: little ones learn how to locate and denounce Tory whores on Twitter. Examples: Angela Eagle, Mary Creagh, Liz Kendall.
Where's Tony?: little ones search for images of Tony Blair hidden in a book, and scratch his eyes out with sharp implements when they are discovered.0 -
What a great book review. Wonder why it sold less than 3,000 copies in its first week.PlatoSaid said:Well that's a way to start a book review
"By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/15/clinton-kaine-book-stronger-together-sold-less-tha/0 -
one can only wonder why they bothered. probably done to get a donation from the publisher or something?MTimT said:
What a great book review. Wonder why it sold less than 3,000 copies in its first week.PlatoSaid said:Well that's a way to start a book review
"By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/15/clinton-kaine-book-stronger-together-sold-less-tha/0 -
I suspect the rebuttal line would be that children are constantly politically indoctrinated via the hegenomical (that might be a word) culture belonging to the military industrial complex by way of x-factor the daily mail and the bbc.PlatoSaid said:
No matter how I look at it, political indoctrination of children is just creepy and sinister.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently according to the Maomentum lot, criticizing #TrotTots is basically having a go at single mums and working class people.....
which may contain an element of truth. on the other hand most people are probably happy with said indoctrination. rather than indoctrination by revolutionary cults, like the Salvation army and so on0 -
The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.0
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How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
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Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
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Off-topic, but might be of interest to some. The rise of megagaming.
http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016/09/what-is-megagame/
Diplomacy is mentioned.0 -
On-topic: a friend of mine is extremely left-wing/green/hippy. He regularly goes down to Calais to help the people in the camp, casts hatred on everything Conservative or right-wing, and sees himself as some form of God of righteousness. (*)
He is raising his children to have a similar state of mind. I do worry what happens if / when they start to form their own opinions and differ from him. Most of all, what happens if one of them becomes a Conservative who serves in the military!
This is rather similar to the way many view religion. And I do believe, for him, his views have replaced religion. It would be interesting to know the percentage of Momentum members who count themselves as religious versus the general population.
(*) Despite this, he's actually a really nice chap. You just avoid many, many topics of conversation.
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I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.0 -
Update on the NI legal challenge to Brexit which is being heard next month. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/northern-irelands-attorney-general-john-larkin-eyes-role-in-landmark-court-efforts-to-block-brexit-35055034.html0
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I think you are splitting hairs. Most religions organise formal outside-school classes for kids that include a mix of doctrine and fun activities - singing or whatever - intended to direct them into whatever is the faith. And encourage adults to send their children along. Of course the decision to participate is, up to a certain age, with the parents (possibly under some social pressure); this doesn't detract from the point I was making.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.0 -
Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.0 -
Morning. So this is not a religious cult, right?0
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Is there any chance of his asylum application being denied?PlatoSaid said:0 -
The problem with splitting is the electoral system. The only way that it could work is for any new parties to conclude electoral pacts with each other and the LibDems/Greens. It would help if they also called themselves a new name (Alliance has been used before so check the Thesaurus for a different one).Black_Rook said:
Labour may very well end up splitting, but even if a majority of MPs leave to set up a new party the risk is as follows:YellowSubmarine said:The mood music suggests the briefing from the Corbyn camp is correct. He's going to win by a bigger margin than last year. The day after Watson said Corbyn's internal reform plans would make Labour like Syriza briefing has started that next year's leadership contest will be a Corbynista challenge against Watson. We can only pray for SDP2 but t seems cultural loyalty to the Labour and Lib Dem brands is still two strong. It's an extraordinary mess. Mess doesn't really seem adequate.
1. That Rump Labour will fight it tooth and nail, and end up holding a lot of its seats
2. That quite a lot of what's left will become vulnerable to the Tories, and possibly even Ukip, should Rump Labour and SDP2 find themselves fighting each other hard and splitting the Left-leaning vote in a lot of seats
3. That SDP2 will end up unelectable as a Government, because many moderate voters can see it can't win a majority, and won't risk ending up with a leftist coalition that also includes the SNP and Rump Labour
It may take several electoral cycles for a serious challenger to emerge to take on the Tories - and there's no absolute guarantee that the new opposition won't come from the Conservative Party itself splitting into two Right-leaning factions, after the Left has been driven back into a few remaining strongholds and marginalised.
The SNP seem to have settled down and become reasonably responsible after their first few months. Maybe they will be more difficult to cast as bogeymen in 2020.0 -
My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
"The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."
A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."0 -
There's a world view behind most children's organisations, including the scouts and the boys' brigade. I can't get too worked up about this.0
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AlastairMeeks said:
There's a world view behind most children's organisations, including the scouts and the boys' brigade. I can't get too worked up about this.
especially in Scotland...AlastairMeeks said:There's a world view behind most children's organisations, including the scouts and the boys' brigade.
me and my brother reacted with abject horror when our C of E Sunday school suggested evangelical summer camp. luckily my parents were wise enough allow us to escape0 -
That's really quite a funny review. Several good bits including:PlatoSaid said:Well that's a way to start a book review
"By the time I finished this book, I resented its existence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2016/09/16/the-new-clintonkaine-campaign-book-is-just-deplorable/
"And we know their reforms are right because they’re all deemed “smart” — smart investments and smart federal standards and smart defense budgets and smart solutions. The rich must pay their “fair share” in taxes, with fairness less defined than obviously understood among friends. It’s the adjectival school of policymaking."
The fact that the Washington Post of all places is quite so contemptuous is not good news for Hillary. Being a wonk is supposed to be one of her USPs against the unpredictable Trump.0 -
From the rival tweets so far - those in favour seem to be strong Corbynistas, so its preaching what they'd do themselves/a mix of less ardent who equate it to Sunday school cum creche so parents can participate in political events - and that it'd be a good thing to get children more politically engaged.Sandpit said:Morning. So this is not a religious cult, right?
And everyone else who reflexively goes Urgh including a lot of Labour members/supporters.
I really don't agree with overt religious teaching for children - in this instance, I see it as all rather Communist/denounce your parents for crimes against Corbyn et al.0 -
MarqueeMark said:
My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
"The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."
A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."
I've been wading through comments under various NYC bombing articles - and it's about 90% critical of the media non-reporting/misleading/treating us like children. It's reassuring that this recent fashion for infantalising the public isn't going down well anywhere.
Hopefully, they'll stop patronising us soon - the piss taking is making a mockery of them. NYT readers were particularly indignant.0 -
Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.Bromptonaut said:
Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
As I recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.
You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.0 -
Ye Gods. Even the NSDAP struggled for votes in 'Red Berlin'MikeK said:Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's party suffered a historic loss in Berlin state elections Sunday while the right-wing populist AfD gained fresh support, riding a wave of popular anger over her open-door refugee policy.
The anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party won around 14 percent, according to public broadcasters' projections, in the capital which has long prided itself on being a hip, diverse and multicultural city.
The strong AfD result, thanks to support especially in the vast tower block districts in Berlin's former communist east, meant it has now won opposition seats in ten of Germany's 16 states, a year ahead of national elections.
The Drudge Report.0 -
Pet Shop boys said it best:IanB2 said:
I think you are splitting hairs. Most religions organise formal outside-school classes for kids that include a mix of doctrine and fun activities - singing or whatever - intended to direct them into whatever is the faith. And encourage adults to send their children along. Of course the decision to participate is, up to a certain age, with the parents (possibly under some social pressure); this doesn't detract from the point I was making.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
"At school they taught me how to be,
So pure in thought and word and deed,
They didn't quite succeed."
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I thought there was a problem with students not wanting to hear a range of opinions?ydoethur said:
Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.Bromptonaut said:
Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
As I recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.
You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.
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We'd the Anti-Vivisection League turn up at my school and given a whole double PE period to preach/recruit. I presume one of the PE staff were members. Our sex education was delivered by a lady from Tampax... clearly none of the regular staff fancied doing it.ydoethur said:
Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.Bromptonaut said:
Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
As recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.
You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.0 -
Do you blame him. Attacks like that in the US are much more likely to fail because the odds are someone in the crowd will have a gun on them and take out David. Hillary wants to end that.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.
Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.
We all know what Trump is going to say.0 -
More likely the BBC hasn't got a reporter anywhere near Minnesota, and the FBI statement did not mention it, so the BBC is reporting third hand. Ironically then, the BBC is going further in the direction you claim to want in order to make the link with Islamism.MarqueeMark said:My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
"The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."
A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."0 -
Sting went to the same school. Perhaps the music teacher should get a medal ... or shot.DavidL said:
Pet Shop boys said it best:IanB2 said:
I think you are splitting hairs. Most religions organise formal outside-school classes for kids that include a mix of doctrine and fun activities - singing or whatever - intended to direct them into whatever is the faith. And encourage adults to send their children along. Of course the decision to participate is, up to a certain age, with the parents (possibly under some social pressure); this doesn't detract from the point I was making.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
"At school they taught me how to be,
So pure in thought and word and deed,
They didn't quite succeed."
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Children in my experience are very open to considering all views.Bromptonaut said:
I thought there was a problem with students not wanting to hear a range of opinions?ydoethur said:
Dawkins ran a summer camp for children to teach them about his neo-atheist views.Bromptonaut said:
Last time I looked, Madrasahs (to pick just one religion) were a real actual thing. Whereas Atheistahs and Humanistahs are words I just made up.RobD said:
I think you'll find it is the parents doing that, not the religion.IanB2 said:
Because to the best of my knowledge homosexuals don't organise young kids into classes and teach them doctrine from a very early age.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
How would you like it if people made sweeping bigoted statements like "the better parallel is what every homosexual tries to do to kids?"IanB2 said:The better parallel is with what every religion tries to do to kids.
I apologise if my meaning was sufficiently vague for you to conclude I was referring to somthing else. I wasn't.
As I recall, it had to be cancelled for the second year because nobody wanted to go on it.
You also get various pressure groups coming into schools to lecture children and try to push them towards their worldview. Animal rights activists are the most common, but you do get gay rights groups as well. Most disturbingly, I once had to attend a talk by a group very anxious to legalise all drugs.
They can however spot pseuds or agenda pushers at half a mile. This is why agnostics make the best RS teachers and dogmatists of any creed (including secularists) make very bad ones.0 -
How many violent deaths in the UK would be prevented each year if we had unfettered access to guns, do you estimate?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Do you blame him. Attacks like that in the US are much more likely to fail because the odds are someone in the crowd will have a gun on them and take out David. Hillary wants to end that.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.
Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.
We all know what Trump is going to say.
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The St Clouds mall was No Guns - it was only the off-duty cop who had been allowed to keep his.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Do you blame him. Attacks like that in the US are much more likely to fail because the odds are someone in the crowd will have a gun on them and take out David. Hillary wants to end that.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently the ISIS inspired stabbing could have been a lot lot worse, but an off duty police officer was attacked and managed to take him down while being attacked.
Attacker is allegedly from Somali. Apparently, 11 people have in the past few months have been charged with terrorist offences in Twin Cities.
We all know what Trump is going to say.
IIRC the gay nightclub was also gun free. It certainly helps to pick a soft target full of unarmed crowds.
Police have arrested 5 so far - a car full of men.
Reports I've seen so far have sources saying the pressure cooker bombs are much more sophisticated than the usual domestic nutter stuff [black powder pipe].
These two were remote detonation - with shrapnel - explosive mix of ammonia/aluminium powder and something called Tannerite, which I gather is used for tree root type blasting jobs.0 -
The American media are all calling it terrorism and referring to an FBI official.DecrepitJohnL said:
More likely the BBC hasn't got a reporter anywhere near Minnesota, and the FBI statement did not mention it, so the BBC is reporting third hand. Ironically then, the BBC is going further in the direction you claim to want in order to make the link with Islamism.MarqueeMark said:My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
"The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."
A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."0 -
Trump must be laughing so much he is near wetting himselfPlatoSaid said:MarqueeMark said:My current favourite piece of non-reporting reporting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37403875
"The attacker, who was dressed in a security uniform and reportedly made references to Allah, was shot dead by an off-duty police officer on Saturday."
A bit of passing chit-chat whilst he was being taken down maybe? "I had that Allah in the back of my cab once...."
I've been wading through comments under various NYC bombing articles - and it's about 90% critical of the media non-reporting/misleading/treating us like children. It's reassuring that this recent fashion for infantalising the public isn't going down well anywhere.
Hopefully, they'll stop patronising us soon - the piss taking is making a mockery of them. NYT readers were particularly indignant.0 -
"I Used to Be a Human Being
An endless bombardment of news and gossip and images has rendered us manic information addicts. It broke me. It might break you, too.
By Andrew Sullivan"
http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/09/andrew-sullivan-technology-almost-killed-me.html0
