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Brilliant, Marf!
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Curse of the new thread, FPT:
Gaming/politics:
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127963-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Torture-Scene-Causes-Uproar
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.0 -
Mr Dancer, way back in 2001, Return to Castle Wolfenstein had someone being tortured through electrocution in the opening scene (Escape 1).Morris_Dancer said:Curse of the new thread, FPT:
Gaming/politics:
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127963-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Torture-Scene-Causes-Uproar
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.0 -
I think the issue here is that the player is controlling the torturer, rather than watching a cut-scene. That said, participative murder in games has been normalised for decades. Weird when you think about it.Morris_Dancer said:Curse of the new thread, FPT:
Gaming/politics:
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127963-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Torture-Scene-Causes-Uproar
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.0 -
I'm still reeling from the revelation that Baloo the Bear was a Nazi0
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What do PBTories think about today's YouGov? (Cause we all know everyone who votes Conservative and posts on PB.Com thinks exactly the same)0
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Sorry to p*ss on your chips and disrupt your narrative, but that's not true.tim said:The BBC have been trying to find a health worker who wears a veil all day and failing, although we do have a political story out of it all
A newly qualified nurse, Umm Sufyaan, 21, wants to be able to wear her niqab at work. She said she always felt "a bit uncomfortable on shift" when she was not wearing the full veil.
"If you're giving someone some medication, as long as they can hear you and understand you, there's no need for them to see your face."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24158041
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Driven to it by Short Man Syndrome, just like the Fuhrer.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm still reeling from the revelation that Baloo the Bear was a Nazi
EDIT: Darn. That was Boo Boo, not Baloo. *slinks off in shame*
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I have enough difficulty deciding what I'm going to wear without worrying about what other people want to wear.0
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Dr. Prasannan, I think I've heard the title but never saw the game.
Then again, I was surprised God of War... 2, I think, was an 18 because the violence was so cartoonish and over the top. I think you crush Theseus' head in a door at some point.
Mr. Anorak, that's a legitimate point. The MGS3 scene I referred to and The Last Of Us' more harrowing moments were cutscenes. However, one could argue whether tapping a button to progress is a huge step away from watching Jack Bauer electrocute someone.0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
Curse of the new thread, FPT:
Gaming/politics:
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127963-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Torture-Scene-Causes-Uproar
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
I played GTA V for the first time today, I've got a dodgy knee, so was resting up for the day after finishing a busy set a work, my lad was at college, so I figured I'd try it out. Dunno about the torture scene, but I got sidetracked after a few minutes, and ended up in a lap dancing bar, fettling a blonde dancer called Chastity!
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Channel 4 news may be interesting:
"An intriguing lead story tonight, a rare insight into the beginnings of the Ukip leader Nigel Farage, who attended the posh private school Dulwich College as a boy. It transpires that his behaviour was deemed so extreme that there was a question of whether he was fit material to become a prefect. Political Correspondent Michael Crick has obtained a letter from one of the teachers of the time in which she alleges Farage was a racist, a fascist and had sung Hitler Youth songs. All this when the Ukip leader was some 17 years of age. Mr Farage denies the charges in a lively interview with Michael."
I think we're all allowed to be a little foolish @17!0 -
Apropos of not much, the Freedom from Torture Chief Executive Keith Best mentioned in the piece was Con MP for Anglesey.Morris_Dancer said:Curse of the new thread, FPT:
Gaming/politics:
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127963-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Torture-Scene-Causes-Uproar
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
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Mr. Stopper, it's the parents' fault. Calling a girl Chastity is just asking for trouble down the line.0
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If Auntie had bothered to look in the operating theatres she would have found a lot of health workers wearing green veils.tim said:The BBC have been trying to find a health worker who wears a veil all day and failing, although we do have a political story out of it all
The fact the BBC didn't just confirms its liberal bias.
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Mr. Divvie, cheers for that info. I do wonder how many of these people play games. That said, I haven't played/watched the scene myself (may check Youtube) so I'd prefer not to comment. Games *can* go too far, but usually what happens is that people who wouldn't know Kratos from Sonic over-react about something they know little.
""Four to five-year-olds have a tendency to copy what they see on TV, whether it's this or Fireman Sam putting out fires," she said. "ATL is not calling for a ban on these games, or censorship at all. What we are asking is for parents to become aware that the little ones are seeing these things."
It's an 18-rated game. And if parents can't work out a GTA game might not be a good thing for a child of 4 to watch then I suspect that child is going to have a problematic upbringing.0 -
This might be a good time for a second-hand anecdote.
A friend of mine was a duty solicitor in a northern town. He got called into the local nick aearly in the morning, to be greeted with a custody sergeant who was in hysterics. The story, if it is to be believed, is as follows:
A farmer had got drunk in town. As he meandered home past the local hospital, he wandered in, took a white gown off a peg and went into an all-women ward. He was on his fourth or fifth intimate examination before a woman wondered 1) Why such examinations were being done early in the morning, 2) why the doctor's breath smelt of alcohol, and 3) why he was wearing muddy wellies.
No idea if the story is true ...0 -
Nice cartoon,but thought mixed wards had all but gone.0
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10320186/Chicago-the-murder-capital-of-America.html
Particularly bad gangstas or particularly bad paramedics?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10321173/Germany-industry-in-revolt-as-green-dream-causes-cost-spiral.html
"Germany’s top economic adviser has called for a radical rethink of the country’s energy policies, warning that the green dream is going badly wrong as costs spiral out of control."
Instead of raising their salary the political class shouldn't be paid at all. They should have to work for nothing as a penance for all the harm they've done.0 -
Are we due any polls apart from YouGov in the next 48 hours?0
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'SNP tops latest poll on Scottish Parliament voting intentions'
IpsosMORI/STV News
Scottish Parliament voting intention
Fieldwork: 9-15 September
Sample size = 1000
Constituency vote (FPTP):
SNP 41%
Lab 37%
Con 13%
LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction:
Patrick Harvie +11
Alex Salmond +8
Johann Lamont +6
Ruth Davidson +/-0
Willie Rennie -5
David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders:
David Cameron (among Con voters) +66
Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64
Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44
Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39
Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
http://news.stv.tv/politics/240014-holyrood-voting-poll-snp-on-top-while-labour-makes-gains/0 -
Can I just say that I completely agree with Richard Tyndall on the last thread. This is not the first time I have agreed with him :-)0
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Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.0
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Mid term blues Stuart, beware of swingback. :-)Stuart_Dickson said:'SNP tops latest poll on Scottish Parliament voting intentions'
IpsosMORI/STV News
Scottish Parliament voting intention
Fieldwork: 9-15 September
Sample size = 1000
Constituency vote (FPTP):
SNP 41%
Lab 37%
Con 13%
LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction:
Patrick Harvie +11
Alex Salmond +8
Johann Lamont +6
Ruth Davidson +/-0
Willie Rennie -5
David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders:
David Cameron (among Con voters) +66
Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64
Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44
Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39
Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
http://news.stv.tv/politics/240014-holyrood-voting-poll-snp-on-top-while-labour-makes-gains/0 -
It's funny that over 40 years after 'Flower Power' the same reactionary forces are still trying to get people conform to their norms. Timothy Leary would be turning in his grave.
Tune in Turn on and Drop out and get your goose-stepping comrades to join you.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ffzwm1pe1rf0vt2o1_500.jpg-1 -
Everyone's clear that GTA is bad taste, moderated by humour and a satirical and self-mocking edge. The current one has been criticised for not having enough of the latter, and the torture scene does sound vile. But it's not clear that a society that cheerfully accepted the fond depiction of Hannibal Lecter in movies is well-placed to criticise - it's pointless to pick on computer games in particular.0
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Err... "swingback" is from the opposition to the government Alan. So, plenty of swingback would be lovely.Alanbrooke said:
Mid term blues Stuart, beware of swingback. :-)Stuart_Dickson said:'SNP tops latest poll on Scottish Parliament voting intentions'
IpsosMORI/STV News
Scottish Parliament voting intention
Fieldwork: 9-15 September
Sample size = 1000
Constituency vote (FPTP):
SNP 41%
Lab 37%
Con 13%
LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction:
Patrick Harvie +11
Alex Salmond +8
Johann Lamont +6
Ruth Davidson +/-0
Willie Rennie -5
David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders:
David Cameron (among Con voters) +66
Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64
Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44
Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39
Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
http://news.stv.tv/politics/240014-holyrood-voting-poll-snp-on-top-while-labour-makes-gains/0 -
Labour are in a Catch 22.GIN1138 said:What do PBTories think about today's YouGov? (Cause we all know everyone who votes Conservative and posts on PB.Com thinks exactly the same)
With Zero hours contracts and all the rest Labour should be having a field day but they can't because posing as champions of the oppressed can't work while they support unlimited mass immigration for what should be obvious supply and demand reasons.
As Cerise is blocked by that from going down the "Blue Labour" path that pretty much just leaves the Blairite rentboys-for-globalists position but hard to get anyone to vote for that except during a massive credit boom.
So he's stuck in no-man's land leaking support from both ends and has to rely on the Cameroons messing up (in public).
edit: And the "in public" part is something they are controlling better.
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Riiiight so it's about her not the patients; well its a kind of NHS view I suppose. I wonder if its ever occurred to here a frontline job might not be her thing ?tim said:
1.By the fact that she feels uncomfortable and wants to wear one suggests that she doesn'tAnorak said:
Sorry to p*ss on your chips and disrupt your narrative, but that's not true.tim said:The BBC have been trying to find a health worker who wears a veil all day and failing, although we do have a political story out of it all
A newly qualified nurse, Umm Sufyaan, 21, wants to be able to wear her niqab at work. She said she always felt "a bit uncomfortable on shift" when she was not wearing the full veil.
"If you're giving someone some medication, as long as they can hear you and understand you, there's no need for them to see your face."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24158041
2.Pissing on someone else's chips negates the whole point of the expression which is based around pissing specifically on your own chips0 -
Toby Harnden @tobyharnden 1m
"Damian McPrickface" - what Tony Blair aide Benjamin Wegg-Prosser called Gordon Brown aide Damian McBride in email
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/19/tony-blair-gordon-brown0 -
Hence the smilie Stuart, I hadn't realised irony was dead in Sweden. :-)Stuart_Dickson said:
Err... "swingback" is from the opposition to the government Alan. So, plenty of swingback would be lovely.Alanbrooke said:
Mid term blues Stuart, beware of swingback. :-)Stuart_Dickson said:'SNP tops latest poll on Scottish Parliament voting intentions'
IpsosMORI/STV News
Scottish Parliament voting intention
Fieldwork: 9-15 September
Sample size = 1000
Constituency vote (FPTP):
SNP 41%
Lab 37%
Con 13%
LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction:
Patrick Harvie +11
Alex Salmond +8
Johann Lamont +6
Ruth Davidson +/-0
Willie Rennie -5
David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders:
David Cameron (among Con voters) +66
Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64
Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44
Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39
Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
http://news.stv.tv/politics/240014-holyrood-voting-poll-snp-on-top-while-labour-makes-gains/0 -
C4 News laying into Farage right now.0
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I've never played GTA, maybe because I've been using Macs since the mid-90s and at that time most games were only made for Windows and other non-Apple machines. SimCity was an exception at that time.0
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Gin1138 - you ask what do tories posting on here think about last nights YouGov. I can only speak for myself but whilst believing strongly that its an outlier,its nevertheless been great to swam around today in delusional made! Seriously though, even if it is an outlier that doesn't mean that it wonlt become reality some time soon.If I was a labour supporter I might be just a tad worried. Of course they are favourites to win in 2015 but just supposing it is neck and neck (or becomes so in the next month or so) then David Cameron only needs to reduce UKIP by 4% and he's upto 40% in the polls. On top of that if Clegg just gets 2% of his lot back fromLabour then DC is in overall majority territory. What seemed absolutely impossible just a few weeks ago now does not seem so out of reach. Interesting times. Cheers.0
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Mr. Palmer, cheers for your response to that.
I just watched a snippet of the scene on Youtube. Whilst unpleasant, it's certainly no worse than what's available elsewhere in TV/films/games. The interactivity (which looks pretty limited) would seem to be the greatest difference.
An issue with games, perhaps, is that the level of violence can stay the same, but graphics improving beyond measure from the Mega Drive to the PS4 means that a handful of pixels have become an incredibly accurate depiction of violence.
In reply to, er, myself, I just thought of a dramatic difference with The Last Of Us, namely that TLOU is damned harrowing throughout and deadly serious, whereas GTA is a generally fun series. So, brutality in TLOU fits the world, whereas it could jar in GTA V (not played it so can't be sure) .0 -
I think this is a Bundestag poll for Bavaria only:
CSU 47%
SPD 22%
Green 8%
FDP 5%
AfD 4%
FW 3%
Linke 2%
Pirates 2%
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Yep, CSU are Bavaria-only.Andy_JS said:I think this is a Bundestag poll for Bavaria only:
CSU 47%
SPD 22%
Green 8%
FDP 5%
AfD 4%
FW 3%
Linke 2%
Pirates 2%
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Just caught up to the polling. Tories on 36 and UKIP on 12. Where are the Tory votes coming from? Just doesn't seem likely that this poll isn't an outlier. As Mike says though, if a polling company doesn't produce an outlier every 20 polls then there is something wrong.0
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New Hampshire 2016 PPP
•Rand Paul 20% {28%} [4%] (10%)
•Chris Christie 19% {14%} [21%] (24%)
•Jeb Bush 14% {7%} [11%] (15%)
•Kelly Ayotte 12%
•Ted Cruz 10%
•Paul Ryan 7% {7%} [10%] (8%)
•Marco Rubio 7% {25%} [14%] (12%)
•Bobby Jindal 3% {1%}
•Rick Santorum 2% {4%} [5%] (7%)
•Someone else/Not sure 6% {11%} [10%] (2%)
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NH 2016 general
•Hillary Clinton (D) 43%
•Chris Christie (R) 39%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 50%
•Kelly Ayotte (R) 42%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 49%
•Jeb Bush (R) 40%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 50%
•Paul Ryan (R) 41%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 51% (52%)
•Rand Paul (R) 41% (41%)
•Hillary Clinton (D) 50%
•Ted Cruz (R) 38%
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Rasmussen 2016
•Chris Christie (R) 39%
•Joe Biden (D) 35%
•Joe Biden (D) 44%
•Rand Paul (R) 36%
•Joe Biden (D) 44%
•Marco Rubio (R) 34%
•Joe Biden (D) 43%
•Ted Cruz (R) 32%
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In German an INSA/Yougov has AfD on 5%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_German_federal_election,_20130 -
Nice cartoon, Marf.
I do think though that the full burka should be banned in some places - nudist beaches, for example. I mean, for all we know, it could be JackW fiddling away with himself under that lot.
Perish the thought.0 -
"Tony Blair's daughter Kathryn held at gunpoint in attempted robbery":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-241571610 -
I thought it was a regional Parliament poll to begin with but since they just had that election a few days ago it seemed unlikely.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yep, CSU are Bavaria-only.Andy_JS said:I think this is a Bundestag poll for Bavaria only:
CSU 47%
SPD 22%
Green 8%
FDP 5%
AfD 4%
FW 3%
Linke 2%
Pirates 2%
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I thought he came out of it fine - airily waving away the concerns of "left-wing teachers" who wanted to "stop poppy wearing".....I doubt its lost him a single vote.....pity for him that those inclined to his world view don't watch C4 news in great numbers....Sunil_Prasannan said:C4 News laying into Farage right now.
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Max PB 23% of voters voted LD in 2010, in this poll that is down to 10% but Labour only up 7 to 36%, clearly Cameron is now winning some 2010 LDs and not just Miliband0
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A nurses uniform when on duty in the ward should be scrubs.. no veils.. if you don't want to buy into that then get another job..0
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Crosby has been busy again.
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Clearly Cameron is now winning some 2010 LDs and not just Miliband
Lib Dem voters NEVER switch to the tories. They either vote Lib dem or switch to labour. Isn't that one of PB's rules?0 -
While I haven't heard this one before, and it's a while since I worked in a hospital there are always a few anecdotes like this floating about. Not, of course, about one's own hospital!JosiasJessop said:This might be a good time for a second-hand anecdote.
A friend of mine was a duty solicitor in a northern town. He got called into the local nick aearly in the morning, to be greeted with a custody sergeant who was in hysterics. The story, if it is to be believed, is as follows:
A farmer had got drunk in town. As he meandered home past the local hospital, he wandered in, took a white gown off a peg and went into an all-women ward. He was on his fourth or fifth intimate examination before a woman wondered 1) Why such examinations were being done early in the morning, 2) why the doctor's breath smelt of alcohol, and 3) why he was wearing muddy wellies.
No idea if the story is true ...
PS. Marf's cartoon appears to show a mixed sex ward. Are there still any inte NHS, or only in the Torygraphs imagination?0 -
Very nice marf.
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Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL0
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I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.0 -
Taffys a few of the 23% the LDs got were not just disaffected leftwingers who have returned to Labour but undoubtedly a few who voted for Blair, disliked Brown but were unsure about Cameron, some of those could now have moved to the Cameron camp.0
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Lord Ashcroft's poll of the Con/LD marginals had 53 2010 voters moving from LD to Con but 78 moving from Conservative to LD .HYUFD said:Taffys a few of the 23% the LDs got were not just disaffected leftwingers who have returned to Labour but undoubtedly a few who voted for Blair, disliked Brown but were unsure about Cameron, some of those could now have moved to the Cameron camp.
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MarkSenior Maybe, but national polls show a net Tory gain from LDs, and the picture may be different in Tory Labour marginals in terms of Tory LD movement0
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As a full time cyclist & walker I have worries about drivers, of any sex, covering their faces. Yes, I have seen it happen, but, no, I haven't yet seen anyone with a covered face using a mobile while driving.0
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SeanT said:
Another remarkable Syria report by the dauntless Antony Loyd. Frightening.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article3873007.ece
We may need to intervene in Syria: to help Assad. These ISIS guys have to lose. How did we end up getting this so WRONG that we nearly assisted our sworn enemies?
Didn't EdM get this one right, SeanT, by asking for restraint, evidence and UN backing, as appropriate?
Just asking.
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Lord Ashcroft's poll of Con/Lab marginals had 82 2010 LD voters moving to Conservative and 62 the other way , the net 20 being dwarved by 247 Con to UKIP , a net 224 LD to Labour and a net 118 Con to LabourHYUFD said:MarkSenior Maybe, but national polls show a net Tory gain from LDs, and the picture may be different in Tory Labour marginals in terms of Tory LD movement
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Not all UKIP branches are like MikeK. I would ask that you at least find out what your local branch is like.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
I still get the impression that the leadership of the party are broadly libertarian and small state believers. As I say the announcement today about the change in policy on banning the burqa is very welcome. Trouble is I think they have seen the recent jump in membership off the back of the gay marriage issue as just too good to miss and so have put popularity first in this case. I know some feel that is sensible even if they do not agree with the underlying view. I just feel it is something that will very quickly come back to bite them unless they are able to manage a transition back to a more laisse faire attitude very carefully.0 -
"Greece: On the edge
The mood in the Greek capital is at the boiling point":
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21586574-mood-greek-capital-boiling-point-edge0 -
To be fair it was hard to spot. There were several Christians they didn't behead.SeanT said:Another remarkable Syria report by the dauntless Antony Loyd. Frightening.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article3873007.ece
We may need to intervene in Syria: to help Assad. These ISIS guys have to lose. How did we end up getting this so WRONG that we nearly assisted our sworn enemies?0 -
MarkSenior But still a net move to the Tories, showing the yougov figure today is not implausible0
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Current University Hospitals Leicester Dress code bans facial veils (among other things such obscene tattoos on visible areas). Religious headscarves are permitted in colours that match uniform provided that they are tucked into the uniform top so cannot dangle onto patients. Veiled patients are not unusual.
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.TwistedFireStopper said:Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
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I was about three yards from those headers riding their bikes around Britain earlier. Me, the dog and my boy. Alone on a pavement. First the police bikes came screaming past, then the cars, then the cyclists. Geeeez, they go at a fair old lick. And boy do they ride close to one another? I knew they were coming and popped down my Mam in Laws to watch them shoot past but I was caught a bit unawares on a nasty, tight piece of road, with no railing - away from all the good vantage points. I was genuinely surprised at how fast they go and how dead I would've been, along with my dog and child, if one of those nutters clipped someone elses bike and flipped about 33 of the cyclists into us.
It was a little bit scary.
I was also impressed by one cyclist talking into the car window to his team, at about 50mph, an inch away from the car. Cool as you like.
And there's me thinking rugby is a tough sport. Surely those cyclists risk death if they fall off? Surely.
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Surely a hospital dress code is about hygiene?foxinsoxuk said:Current University Hospitals Leicester Dress code bans facial veils (among other things such obscene tattoos on visible areas). Religious headscarves are permitted in colours that match uniform provided that they are tucked into the uniform top so cannot dangle onto patients. Veiled patients are not unusual.
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.TwistedFireStopper said:Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
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Hygiene is a major factor, but so is a professional appearance.
The same rules apply to medical students etc.anotherDave said:
Surely a hospital dress code is about hygiene?foxinsoxuk said:Current University Hospitals Leicester Dress code bans facial veils (among other things such obscene tattoos on visible areas). Religious headscarves are permitted in colours that match uniform provided that they are tucked into the uniform top so cannot dangle onto patients. Veiled patients are not unusual.
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.TwistedFireStopper said:Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
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Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.0 -
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.0 -
just three.
How I miss smoking tobacco! but it really is rather stupid.
I did have a week sniffing glue for a toxicology practical once, the department was trying to devise a breathalyser for glue sniffers. It gave me a stinker of a headache all week. Not much fun at all>SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?0 -
Buprenorphine is Temgesic. It is a narcotic given for pail relief under the tongue, and gives an injection like effect. It was a prescription drug originally, but became a controlled drug in the 90's because of abuse.SeanT said:
I think (I haven't googled) that Buprenorphine is the toad-drug. Tramadol is an opoid - I did it last year, inadvertently, in Thailand (thinking it was a humble version of paracetamol). Exquisite, but dangerous.Fenster said:
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self!0 -
I'm staid and boring. Only one (the obvious one), and I got spiked with an E once, so make that 1.5.SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
However, I was more or less addicted to Codeine for a good while, which was only a marginally more pleasant experience than the pain. I guess it was an addiction as it was blooming hard to stop taking it once the pain had stopped, and I felt both elated (no more pain) and awful (I wanted some Codeine).
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I can proudly announce I have done none of them! Unless "mushrooms" includes the eating varietyFenster said:
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out. 0 -
@Richard_tyndall
"I just feel it is something that will very quickly come back to bite them unless they are able to manage a transition back to a more laisse faire attitude very carefully."
These are your lines, Richard, from an earler post talking about UKIP. Which proves to me that when you talk of UKIP as 'THEM' and not 'US', where your true feelings are. Give Cleggie a bell; he'll welcome you.0 -
The only one I've ever tried is alcohol and I've never liked it. You could probably fit my entire lifetime alcohol consumption into a small ice cream tub.Fenster said:
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Good shout - I love Tom Waits.tim said:Best songs referring to the top twenty drugs
Alcohol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p809FSIFas
Incidentally, I love the "harm to others" bit: zero on mushrooms. Lol!
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I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"MikeK said:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
Freedom.0 -
That is truly amazing. And you seem such a good laugh too. If you fancy a weird night get some LSD into you and wander around a casino or some place with flashing lights. It is epiphanic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I can proudly announce I have done none of them! Unless "mushrooms" includes the eating varietyFenster said:
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
Not for the faint hearted though!
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No, Twisted. That way lies the road to slavery. You have a funny idea of freedom, I suppose you also support female genital mutilation in the name of freedom?TwistedFireStopper said:
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"MikeK said:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
Freedom.0 -
If there is one drug I wouldn't mind trying for, ah, "experimental" purposes, it would have to be DMT or ayahuasca.Fenster said:
That is truly amazing. And you seem such a good laugh too. If you fancy a weird night get some LSD into you and wander around a casino or some place with flashing lights. It is epiphanic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I can proudly announce I have done none of them! Unless "mushrooms" includes the eating varietyFenster said:
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
Not for the faint hearted though!0 -
Four! One was on prescription though it went down OK with a few beers.SeanT said:
Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?0 -
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Please not UKIP SeanTSeanT said:
Freedom for women to be enslaved like medieval chattels, but much, much worse. Centuries of western feminism erased in a day. Well done.TwistedFireStopper said:
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"MikeK said:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
Freedom.
Laydeez and gennulmem, here is UKIP's and TwistedFireStopper's version of Freedom:
http://wearburqaday.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/burqa4.jpg0 -
Few more incidents like that and maybe something will be done about inner-city crime other than building a wall of CCTV around the estates to keep it penned in the estates.Andy_JS said:"Tony Blair's daughter Kathryn held at gunpoint in attempted robbery":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24157161
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MikeK said:
No, Twisted. That way lies the road to slavery. You have a funny idea of freedom, I suppose you also support genital mutilation in the name of freedom?TwistedFireStopper said:
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"MikeK said:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
Freedom.
You would suppose incorrectly, obviously.
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Only alcohol, and I think max was 3 glasses of wine. I occasionally wonder if I've missed anything. Another glass and I might have become a Daily Telegraph columnist, or something. Next life!Fenster said:
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
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As an aside, the full burqa is not a religious item (at least not required by the Qu'ran).Peter_the_Punter said:Nice cartoon, Marf.
I do think though that the full burka should be banned in some places - nudist beaches, for example. I mean, for all we know, it could be JackW fiddling away with himself under that lot
Perish the thought.
It was very very rare (mainly worn by whack jobs in the desert) until the 19th century, when the Brits occupied Egypt. Being good Liberals they promptly banned the burqa as representing the subjugation of women. Naturally, this lead to nationalists adopting the burqa as a symbol of rejection of Western values...
It's this history that makes me so nervous about permitting it in the UK. It is, very simply, an expression of 'apartness' and a rejection of everything out society stands for.0 -
I've done most of those (apart from 3 whose name i don't recognize so i might have done them under a different name) but most of them only once so not quite the same.SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Adrenaline was always my fave.0 -
Tramadol is good enough - they are both morphine-derivativesFenster said:
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).SeanT said:Thursday Night PB Quiz.
How many of these drugs have pb-ers done?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_cause_most_harm
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.0 -
The libertarian position would be to ban them completely. I could explain why but i won't till one of the big papers does it first.TwistedFireStopper said:
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"MikeK said:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.TwistedFireStopper said:
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.MikeK said:Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
You've put me off.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
Freedom.
I'm not a libertarian so I wouldn't ban them completely personally but they make a good issue for arguing over the principle that should apply when considering the rights and wrongs of restricting freedom when it comes to clothing, in particular (imo) that it should be considered on a case by case basis dependent on context i.e. court rooms.
Also useful for trying to force multicultists to state a single principle explicitly rather thanlet them have one principle in theory but in reality two because they ignore it when it conflicts with the multicult e.g. FGM, gender-based abortion etc.
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