not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
Mr Dancer, way back in 2001, Return to Castle Wolfenstein had someone being tortured through electrocution in the opening scene (Escape 1).
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
I think the issue here is that the player is controlling the torturer, rather than watching a cut-scene. That said, participative murder in games has been normalised for decades. Weird when you think about it.
The BBC have been trying to find a health worker who wears a veil all day and failing, although we do have a political story out of it all
Sorry to p*ss on your chips and disrupt your narrative, but that's not true.
A newly qualified nurse, Umm Sufyaan, 21, wants to be able to wear her niqab at work. She said she always felt "a bit uncomfortable on shift" when she was not wearing the full veil.
"If you're giving someone some medication, as long as they can hear you and understand you, there's no need for them to see your face."
Dr. Prasannan, I think I've heard the title but never saw the game.
Then again, I was surprised God of War... 2, I think, was an 18 because the violence was so cartoonish and over the top. I think you crush Theseus' head in a door at some point.
Mr. Anorak, that's a legitimate point. The MGS3 scene I referred to and The Last Of Us' more harrowing moments were cutscenes. However, one could argue whether tapping a button to progress is a huge step away from watching Jack Bauer electrocute someone.
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
I played GTA V for the first time today, I've got a dodgy knee, so was resting up for the day after finishing a busy set a work, my lad was at college, so I figured I'd try it out. Dunno about the torture scene, but I got sidetracked after a few minutes, and ended up in a lap dancing bar, fettling a blonde dancer called Chastity!
"An intriguing lead story tonight, a rare insight into the beginnings of the Ukip leader Nigel Farage, who attended the posh private school Dulwich College as a boy. It transpires that his behaviour was deemed so extreme that there was a question of whether he was fit material to become a prefect. Political Correspondent Michael Crick has obtained a letter from one of the teachers of the time in which she alleges Farage was a racist, a fascist and had sung Hitler Youth songs. All this when the Ukip leader was some 17 years of age. Mr Farage denies the charges in a lively interview with Michael."
I think we're all allowed to be a little foolish @17!
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
Apropos of not much, the Freedom from Torture Chief Executive Keith Best mentioned in the piece was Con MP for Anglesey.
Mr. Divvie, cheers for that info. I do wonder how many of these people play games. That said, I haven't played/watched the scene myself (may check Youtube) so I'd prefer not to comment. Games *can* go too far, but usually what happens is that people who wouldn't know Kratos from Sonic over-react about something they know little.
""Four to five-year-olds have a tendency to copy what they see on TV, whether it's this or Fireman Sam putting out fires," she said. "ATL is not calling for a ban on these games, or censorship at all. What we are asking is for parents to become aware that the little ones are seeing these things."
It's an 18-rated game. And if parents can't work out a GTA game might not be a good thing for a child of 4 to watch then I suspect that child is going to have a problematic upbringing.
This might be a good time for a second-hand anecdote.
A friend of mine was a duty solicitor in a northern town. He got called into the local nick aearly in the morning, to be greeted with a custody sergeant who was in hysterics. The story, if it is to be believed, is as follows:
A farmer had got drunk in town. As he meandered home past the local hospital, he wandered in, took a white gown off a peg and went into an all-women ward. He was on his fourth or fifth intimate examination before a woman wondered 1) Why such examinations were being done early in the morning, 2) why the doctor's breath smelt of alcohol, and 3) why he was wearing muddy wellies.
"Germany’s top economic adviser has called for a radical rethink of the country’s energy policies, warning that the green dream is going badly wrong as costs spiral out of control."
Instead of raising their salary the political class shouldn't be paid at all. They should have to work for nothing as a penance for all the harm they've done.
Constituency vote (FPTP): SNP 41% Lab 37% Con 13% LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction: Patrick Harvie +11 Alex Salmond +8 Johann Lamont +6 Ruth Davidson +/-0 Willie Rennie -5 David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders: David Cameron (among Con voters) +66 Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64 Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44 Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39 Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
Constituency vote (FPTP): SNP 41% Lab 37% Con 13% LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction: Patrick Harvie +11 Alex Salmond +8 Johann Lamont +6 Ruth Davidson +/-0 Willie Rennie -5 David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders: David Cameron (among Con voters) +66 Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64 Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44 Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39 Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
It's funny that over 40 years after 'Flower Power' the same reactionary forces are still trying to get people conform to their norms. Timothy Leary would be turning in his grave.
Tune in Turn on and Drop out and get your goose-stepping comrades to join you.
Everyone's clear that GTA is bad taste, moderated by humour and a satirical and self-mocking edge. The current one has been criticised for not having enough of the latter, and the torture scene does sound vile. But it's not clear that a society that cheerfully accepted the fond depiction of Hannibal Lecter in movies is well-placed to criticise - it's pointless to pick on computer games in particular.
Constituency vote (FPTP): SNP 41% Lab 37% Con 13% LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction: Patrick Harvie +11 Alex Salmond +8 Johann Lamont +6 Ruth Davidson +/-0 Willie Rennie -5 David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders: David Cameron (among Con voters) +66 Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64 Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44 Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39 Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
What do PBTories think about today's YouGov? (Cause we all know everyone who votes Conservative and posts on PB.Com thinks exactly the same)
Labour are in a Catch 22.
With Zero hours contracts and all the rest Labour should be having a field day but they can't because posing as champions of the oppressed can't work while they support unlimited mass immigration for what should be obvious supply and demand reasons.
As Cerise is blocked by that from going down the "Blue Labour" path that pretty much just leaves the Blairite rentboys-for-globalists position but hard to get anyone to vote for that except during a massive credit boom.
So he's stuck in no-man's land leaking support from both ends and has to rely on the Cameroons messing up (in public).
edit: And the "in public" part is something they are controlling better.
The BBC have been trying to find a health worker who wears a veil all day and failing, although we do have a political story out of it all
Sorry to p*ss on your chips and disrupt your narrative, but that's not true.
A newly qualified nurse, Umm Sufyaan, 21, wants to be able to wear her niqab at work. She said she always felt "a bit uncomfortable on shift" when she was not wearing the full veil.
"If you're giving someone some medication, as long as they can hear you and understand you, there's no need for them to see your face."
1.By the fact that she feels uncomfortable and wants to wear one suggests that she doesn't 2.Pissing on someone else's chips negates the whole point of the expression which is based around pissing specifically on your own chips
Riiiight so it's about her not the patients; well its a kind of NHS view I suppose. I wonder if its ever occurred to here a frontline job might not be her thing ?
Constituency vote (FPTP): SNP 41% Lab 37% Con 13% LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction: Patrick Harvie +11 Alex Salmond +8 Johann Lamont +6 Ruth Davidson +/-0 Willie Rennie -5 David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders: David Cameron (among Con voters) +66 Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64 Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44 Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39 Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
I've never played GTA, maybe because I've been using Macs since the mid-90s and at that time most games were only made for Windows and other non-Apple machines. SimCity was an exception at that time.
Gin1138 - you ask what do tories posting on here think about last nights YouGov. I can only speak for myself but whilst believing strongly that its an outlier,its nevertheless been great to swam around today in delusional made! Seriously though, even if it is an outlier that doesn't mean that it wonlt become reality some time soon.If I was a labour supporter I might be just a tad worried. Of course they are favourites to win in 2015 but just supposing it is neck and neck (or becomes so in the next month or so) then David Cameron only needs to reduce UKIP by 4% and he's upto 40% in the polls. On top of that if Clegg just gets 2% of his lot back fromLabour then DC is in overall majority territory. What seemed absolutely impossible just a few weeks ago now does not seem so out of reach. Interesting times. Cheers.
I just watched a snippet of the scene on Youtube. Whilst unpleasant, it's certainly no worse than what's available elsewhere in TV/films/games. The interactivity (which looks pretty limited) would seem to be the greatest difference.
An issue with games, perhaps, is that the level of violence can stay the same, but graphics improving beyond measure from the Mega Drive to the PS4 means that a handful of pixels have become an incredibly accurate depiction of violence.
In reply to, er, myself, I just thought of a dramatic difference with The Last Of Us, namely that TLOU is damned harrowing throughout and deadly serious, whereas GTA is a generally fun series. So, brutality in TLOU fits the world, whereas it could jar in GTA V (not played it so can't be sure) .
Just caught up to the polling. Tories on 36 and UKIP on 12. Where are the Tory votes coming from? Just doesn't seem likely that this poll isn't an outlier. As Mike says though, if a polling company doesn't produce an outlier every 20 polls then there is something wrong.
I do think though that the full burka should be banned in some places - nudist beaches, for example. I mean, for all we know, it could be JackW fiddling away with himself under that lot.
I thought he came out of it fine - airily waving away the concerns of "left-wing teachers" who wanted to "stop poppy wearing".....I doubt its lost him a single vote.....pity for him that those inclined to his world view don't watch C4 news in great numbers....
Max PB 23% of voters voted LD in 2010, in this poll that is down to 10% but Labour only up 7 to 36%, clearly Cameron is now winning some 2010 LDs and not just Miliband
This might be a good time for a second-hand anecdote.
A friend of mine was a duty solicitor in a northern town. He got called into the local nick aearly in the morning, to be greeted with a custody sergeant who was in hysterics. The story, if it is to be believed, is as follows:
A farmer had got drunk in town. As he meandered home past the local hospital, he wandered in, took a white gown off a peg and went into an all-women ward. He was on his fourth or fifth intimate examination before a woman wondered 1) Why such examinations were being done early in the morning, 2) why the doctor's breath smelt of alcohol, and 3) why he was wearing muddy wellies.
No idea if the story is true ...
While I haven't heard this one before, and it's a while since I worked in a hospital there are always a few anecdotes like this floating about. Not, of course, about one's own hospital!
PS. Marf's cartoon appears to show a mixed sex ward. Are there still any inte NHS, or only in the Torygraphs imagination?
Taffys a few of the 23% the LDs got were not just disaffected leftwingers who have returned to Labour but undoubtedly a few who voted for Blair, disliked Brown but were unsure about Cameron, some of those could now have moved to the Cameron camp.
Taffys a few of the 23% the LDs got were not just disaffected leftwingers who have returned to Labour but undoubtedly a few who voted for Blair, disliked Brown but were unsure about Cameron, some of those could now have moved to the Cameron camp.
Lord Ashcroft's poll of the Con/LD marginals had 53 2010 voters moving from LD to Con but 78 moving from Conservative to LD .
MarkSenior Maybe, but national polls show a net Tory gain from LDs, and the picture may be different in Tory Labour marginals in terms of Tory LD movement
As a full time cyclist & walker I have worries about drivers, of any sex, covering their faces. Yes, I have seen it happen, but, no, I haven't yet seen anyone with a covered face using a mobile while driving.
We may need to intervene in Syria: to help Assad. These ISIS guys have to lose. How did we end up getting this so WRONG that we nearly assisted our sworn enemies?
Didn't EdM get this one right, SeanT, by asking for restraint, evidence and UN backing, as appropriate?
MarkSenior Maybe, but national polls show a net Tory gain from LDs, and the picture may be different in Tory Labour marginals in terms of Tory LD movement
Lord Ashcroft's poll of Con/Lab marginals had 82 2010 LD voters moving to Conservative and 62 the other way , the net 20 being dwarved by 247 Con to UKIP , a net 224 LD to Labour and a net 118 Con to Labour
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
Not all UKIP branches are like MikeK. I would ask that you at least find out what your local branch is like.
I still get the impression that the leadership of the party are broadly libertarian and small state believers. As I say the announcement today about the change in policy on banning the burqa is very welcome. Trouble is I think they have seen the recent jump in membership off the back of the gay marriage issue as just too good to miss and so have put popularity first in this case. I know some feel that is sensible even if they do not agree with the underlying view. I just feel it is something that will very quickly come back to bite them unless they are able to manage a transition back to a more laisse faire attitude very carefully.
We may need to intervene in Syria: to help Assad. These ISIS guys have to lose. How did we end up getting this so WRONG that we nearly assisted our sworn enemies?
To be fair it was hard to spot. There were several Christians they didn't behead.
Current University Hospitals Leicester Dress code bans facial veils (among other things such obscene tattoos on visible areas). Religious headscarves are permitted in colours that match uniform provided that they are tucked into the uniform top so cannot dangle onto patients. Veiled patients are not unusual.
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.
Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
I was about three yards from those headers riding their bikes around Britain earlier. Me, the dog and my boy. Alone on a pavement. First the police bikes came screaming past, then the cars, then the cyclists. Geeeez, they go at a fair old lick. And boy do they ride close to one another? I knew they were coming and popped down my Mam in Laws to watch them shoot past but I was caught a bit unawares on a nasty, tight piece of road, with no railing - away from all the good vantage points. I was genuinely surprised at how fast they go and how dead I would've been, along with my dog and child, if one of those nutters clipped someone elses bike and flipped about 33 of the cyclists into us.
It was a little bit scary.
I was also impressed by one cyclist talking into the car window to his team, at about 50mph, an inch away from the car. Cool as you like.
And there's me thinking rugby is a tough sport. Surely those cyclists risk death if they fall off? Surely.
Current University Hospitals Leicester Dress code bans facial veils (among other things such obscene tattoos on visible areas). Religious headscarves are permitted in colours that match uniform provided that they are tucked into the uniform top so cannot dangle onto patients. Veiled patients are not unusual.
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.
Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
Current University Hospitals Leicester Dress code bans facial veils (among other things such obscene tattoos on visible areas). Religious headscarves are permitted in colours that match uniform provided that they are tucked into the uniform top so cannot dangle onto patients. Veiled patients are not unusual.
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.
Anecdotal, I know, but I've spent a fair bit of time in Leicester's hospitals over the last few years, what with having elderly parents, and a few serious illnesses and injuries within my clan. I have to report that I have never seen a member of staff in a full veil. I don't know if Leicester NHS Trusts have any regulations on it, but, if you were going to see a veiled nurse, you think you'd find one in as diverse a city as Leicester.
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
How I miss smoking tobacco! but it really is rather stupid.
I did have a week sniffing glue for a toxicology practical once, the department was trying to devise a breathalyser for glue sniffers. It gave me a stinker of a headache all week. Not much fun at all>
Buprenorphine is Temgesic. It is a narcotic given for pail relief under the tongue, and gives an injection like effect. It was a prescription drug originally, but became a controlled drug in the 90's because of abuse.
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self!
I think (I haven't googled) that Buprenorphine is the toad-drug. Tramadol is an opoid - I did it last year, inadvertently, in Thailand (thinking it was a humble version of paracetamol). Exquisite, but dangerous.
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
I'm staid and boring. Only one (the obvious one), and I got spiked with an E once, so make that 1.5.
However, I was more or less addicted to Codeine for a good while, which was only a marginally more pleasant experience than the pain. I guess it was an addiction as it was blooming hard to stop taking it once the pain had stopped, and I felt both elated (no more pain) and awful (I wanted some Codeine).
"I just feel it is something that will very quickly come back to bite them unless they are able to manage a transition back to a more laisse faire attitude very carefully."
These are your lines, Richard, from an earler post talking about UKIP. Which proves to me that when you talk of UKIP as 'THEM' and not 'US', where your true feelings are. Give Cleggie a bell; he'll welcome you.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
The only one I've ever tried is alcohol and I've never liked it. You could probably fit my entire lifetime alcohol consumption into a small ice cream tub.
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
I can proudly announce I have done none of them! Unless "mushrooms" includes the eating variety
That is truly amazing. And you seem such a good laugh too. If you fancy a weird night get some LSD into you and wander around a casino or some place with flashing lights. It is epiphanic.
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"
Freedom.
No, Twisted. That way lies the road to slavery. You have a funny idea of freedom, I suppose you also support female genital mutilation in the name of freedom?
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
Nice work. I've done 11, perhaps 12, but I don't know what Buprenorphine is (does Tramadol come under that).
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
I can proudly announce I have done none of them! Unless "mushrooms" includes the eating variety
That is truly amazing. And you seem such a good laugh too. If you fancy a weird night get some LSD into you and wander around a casino or some place with flashing lights. It is epiphanic.
Not for the faint hearted though!
If there is one drug I wouldn't mind trying for, ah, "experimental" purposes, it would have to be DMT or ayahuasca.
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"
Freedom.
Freedom for women to be enslaved like medieval chattels, but much, much worse. Centuries of western feminism erased in a day. Well done.
Laydeez and gennulmem, here is UKIP's and TwistedFireStopper's version of Freedom:
Few more incidents like that and maybe something will be done about inner-city crime other than building a wall of CCTV around the estates to keep it penned in the estates.
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"
Freedom.
No, Twisted. That way lies the road to slavery. You have a funny idea of freedom, I suppose you also support genital mutilation in the name of freedom?
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
Only alcohol, and I think max was 3 glasses of wine. I occasionally wonder if I've missed anything. Another glass and I might have become a Daily Telegraph columnist, or something. Next life!
I do think though that the full burka should be banned in some places - nudist beaches, for example. I mean, for all we know, it could be JackW fiddling away with himself under that lot
Perish the thought.
As an aside, the full burqa is not a religious item (at least not required by the Qu'ran).
It was very very rare (mainly worn by whack jobs in the desert) until the 19th century, when the Brits occupied Egypt. Being good Liberals they promptly banned the burqa as representing the subjugation of women. Naturally, this lead to nationalists adopting the burqa as a symbol of rejection of Western values...
It's this history that makes me so nervous about permitting it in the UK. It is, very simply, an expression of 'apartness' and a rejection of everything out society stands for.
I've done 14 out of 20, including the top 8. Can any pb-er beat that?
I've done most of those (apart from 3 whose name i don't recognize so i might have done them under a different name) but most of them only once so not quite the same.
Sweet, Marf. Actually I thought I saw Mr Tyndall under the niqab showing how really libertarian he is. LOL
I was contemplating getting involved with my local UKIP branch, as I want an alternative to Tory, Labour and Lib Dem.
You've put me off.
I cannot for the life of me fathom how little old me put you off going to your local branch, unless you yourself have a reason to want women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around your local high street.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
I do have a very good reason to want "women and others in full body burqas and niqabs swanning around my local high street"
Freedom.
The libertarian position would be to ban them completely. I could explain why but i won't till one of the big papers does it first.
I'm not a libertarian so I wouldn't ban them completely personally but they make a good issue for arguing over the principle that should apply when considering the rights and wrongs of restricting freedom when it comes to clothing, in particular (imo) that it should be considered on a case by case basis dependent on context i.e. court rooms.
Also useful for trying to force multicultists to state a single principle explicitly rather thanlet them have one principle in theory but in reality two because they ignore it when it conflicts with the multicult e.g. FGM, gender-based abortion etc.
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Gaming/politics:
not entirely unpredictably, there's a GTA V related outcry. A torture scene, apparently (don't have the game due to poverty and also lacking the time, really).
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127963-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Torture-Scene-Causes-Uproar
Has anyone here seen that scene, and also played The Last of Us? It'd need to go some to be more harrowing. Also, the torture scene in MGS3 didn't stop that game being rated 15 (a guy's electrocuted whilst suspended from the ceiling and hooded).
On-topic: nice cartoon. I do think it should be banned in at least some circumstances.
A newly qualified nurse, Umm Sufyaan, 21, wants to be able to wear her niqab at work. She said she always felt "a bit uncomfortable on shift" when she was not wearing the full veil.
"If you're giving someone some medication, as long as they can hear you and understand you, there's no need for them to see your face."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24158041
EDIT: Darn. That was Boo Boo, not Baloo. *slinks off in shame*
Then again, I was surprised God of War... 2, I think, was an 18 because the violence was so cartoonish and over the top. I think you crush Theseus' head in a door at some point.
Mr. Anorak, that's a legitimate point. The MGS3 scene I referred to and The Last Of Us' more harrowing moments were cutscenes. However, one could argue whether tapping a button to progress is a huge step away from watching Jack Bauer electrocute someone.
I played GTA V for the first time today, I've got a dodgy knee, so was resting up for the day after finishing a busy set a work, my lad was at college, so I figured I'd try it out. Dunno about the torture scene, but I got sidetracked after a few minutes, and ended up in a lap dancing bar, fettling a blonde dancer called Chastity!
"An intriguing lead story tonight, a rare insight into the beginnings of the Ukip leader Nigel Farage, who attended the posh private school Dulwich College as a boy. It transpires that his behaviour was deemed so extreme that there was a question of whether he was fit material to become a prefect. Political Correspondent Michael Crick has obtained a letter from one of the teachers of the time in which she alleges Farage was a racist, a fascist and had sung Hitler Youth songs. All this when the Ukip leader was some 17 years of age. Mr Farage denies the charges in a lively interview with Michael."
I think we're all allowed to be a little foolish @17!
The fact the BBC didn't just confirms its liberal bias.
""Four to five-year-olds have a tendency to copy what they see on TV, whether it's this or Fireman Sam putting out fires," she said. "ATL is not calling for a ban on these games, or censorship at all. What we are asking is for parents to become aware that the little ones are seeing these things."
It's an 18-rated game. And if parents can't work out a GTA game might not be a good thing for a child of 4 to watch then I suspect that child is going to have a problematic upbringing.
A friend of mine was a duty solicitor in a northern town. He got called into the local nick aearly in the morning, to be greeted with a custody sergeant who was in hysterics. The story, if it is to be believed, is as follows:
A farmer had got drunk in town. As he meandered home past the local hospital, he wandered in, took a white gown off a peg and went into an all-women ward. He was on his fourth or fifth intimate examination before a woman wondered 1) Why such examinations were being done early in the morning, 2) why the doctor's breath smelt of alcohol, and 3) why he was wearing muddy wellies.
No idea if the story is true ...
Particularly bad gangstas or particularly bad paramedics?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10321173/Germany-industry-in-revolt-as-green-dream-causes-cost-spiral.html
"Germany’s top economic adviser has called for a radical rethink of the country’s energy policies, warning that the green dream is going badly wrong as costs spiral out of control."
Instead of raising their salary the political class shouldn't be paid at all. They should have to work for nothing as a penance for all the harm they've done.
IpsosMORI/STV News
Scottish Parliament voting intention
Fieldwork: 9-15 September
Sample size = 1000
Constituency vote (FPTP):
SNP 41%
Lab 37%
Con 13%
LD 7%
Net leader satisfaction:
Patrick Harvie +11
Alex Salmond +8
Johann Lamont +6
Ruth Davidson +/-0
Willie Rennie -5
David Cameron -28
Party supporters' net satisfaction with leaders:
David Cameron (among Con voters) +66
Alex Salmond (among SNP voters) +64
Willie Rennie (among LD voter) +44
Ruth Davidson (among Con voters) +39
Johann Lamont (among Lab voters) +39
http://news.stv.tv/politics/240014-holyrood-voting-poll-snp-on-top-while-labour-makes-gains/
Tune in Turn on and Drop out and get your goose-stepping comrades to join you.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ffzwm1pe1rf0vt2o1_500.jpg
With Zero hours contracts and all the rest Labour should be having a field day but they can't because posing as champions of the oppressed can't work while they support unlimited mass immigration for what should be obvious supply and demand reasons.
As Cerise is blocked by that from going down the "Blue Labour" path that pretty much just leaves the Blairite rentboys-for-globalists position but hard to get anyone to vote for that except during a massive credit boom.
So he's stuck in no-man's land leaking support from both ends and has to rely on the Cameroons messing up (in public).
edit: And the "in public" part is something they are controlling better.
"Damian McPrickface" - what Tony Blair aide Benjamin Wegg-Prosser called Gordon Brown aide Damian McBride in email
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/19/tony-blair-gordon-brown
I just watched a snippet of the scene on Youtube. Whilst unpleasant, it's certainly no worse than what's available elsewhere in TV/films/games. The interactivity (which looks pretty limited) would seem to be the greatest difference.
An issue with games, perhaps, is that the level of violence can stay the same, but graphics improving beyond measure from the Mega Drive to the PS4 means that a handful of pixels have become an incredibly accurate depiction of violence.
In reply to, er, myself, I just thought of a dramatic difference with The Last Of Us, namely that TLOU is damned harrowing throughout and deadly serious, whereas GTA is a generally fun series. So, brutality in TLOU fits the world, whereas it could jar in GTA V (not played it so can't be sure) .
CSU 47%
SPD 22%
Green 8%
FDP 5%
AfD 4%
FW 3%
Linke 2%
Pirates 2%
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/laender.htm#by
•Rand Paul 20% {28%} [4%] (10%)
•Chris Christie 19% {14%} [21%] (24%)
•Jeb Bush 14% {7%} [11%] (15%)
•Kelly Ayotte 12%
•Ted Cruz 10%
•Paul Ryan 7% {7%} [10%] (8%)
•Marco Rubio 7% {25%} [14%] (12%)
•Bobby Jindal 3% {1%}
•Rick Santorum 2% {4%} [5%] (7%)
•Someone else/Not sure 6% {11%} [10%] (2%)
•Hillary Clinton (D) 43%
•Chris Christie (R) 39%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 50%
•Kelly Ayotte (R) 42%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 49%
•Jeb Bush (R) 40%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 50%
•Paul Ryan (R) 41%
•Hillary Clinton (D) 51% (52%)
•Rand Paul (R) 41% (41%)
•Hillary Clinton (D) 50%
•Ted Cruz (R) 38%
•Chris Christie (R) 39%
•Joe Biden (D) 35%
•Joe Biden (D) 44%
•Rand Paul (R) 36%
•Joe Biden (D) 44%
•Marco Rubio (R) 34%
•Joe Biden (D) 43%
•Ted Cruz (R) 32%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_German_federal_election,_2013
I do think though that the full burka should be banned in some places - nudist beaches, for example. I mean, for all we know, it could be JackW fiddling away with himself under that lot.
Perish the thought.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24157161
LOL
Lib Dem voters NEVER switch to the tories. They either vote Lib dem or switch to labour. Isn't that one of PB's rules?
PS. Marf's cartoon appears to show a mixed sex ward. Are there still any inte NHS, or only in the Torygraphs imagination?
You've put me off.
Didn't EdM get this one right, SeanT, by asking for restraint, evidence and UN backing, as appropriate?
Just asking.
I still get the impression that the leadership of the party are broadly libertarian and small state believers. As I say the announcement today about the change in policy on banning the burqa is very welcome. Trouble is I think they have seen the recent jump in membership off the back of the gay marriage issue as just too good to miss and so have put popularity first in this case. I know some feel that is sensible even if they do not agree with the underlying view. I just feel it is something that will very quickly come back to bite them unless they are able to manage a transition back to a more laisse faire attitude very carefully.
The mood in the Greek capital is at the boiling point":
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21586574-mood-greek-capital-boiling-point-edge
Surgical masks are worn in operating theatres of course, but not in public areas.
It was a little bit scary.
I was also impressed by one cyclist talking into the car window to his team, at about 50mph, an inch away from the car. Cool as you like.
And there's me thinking rugby is a tough sport. Surely those cyclists risk death if they fall off? Surely.
50mph being an exaggeration, but if felt like it!
The same rules apply to medical students etc.
Only five of the top eight though. No crack, or smack or crystal meth for me. I was a social druggy, not a lifestyle one like your good self.
And I'd be impressed if someone has done none of them. Now that would be far out.
Tyndall is right in one respect in that UKIP represents various shades of opinion and thats healthy. We are not a party of automations or robots; our councillors have no whip telling them what to say, unlike the Lab/Lib/Cons that are always made to toe the current line, even if it's against their own philosophy.
So have a go, put your dainty toe in UKIP waters, you'll end up feeling refreshed.
How I miss smoking tobacco! but it really is rather stupid.
I did have a week sniffing glue for a toxicology practical once, the department was trying to devise a breathalyser for glue sniffers. It gave me a stinker of a headache all week. Not much fun at all>
However, I was more or less addicted to Codeine for a good while, which was only a marginally more pleasant experience than the pain. I guess it was an addiction as it was blooming hard to stop taking it once the pain had stopped, and I felt both elated (no more pain) and awful (I wanted some Codeine).
Strange times ...
"I just feel it is something that will very quickly come back to bite them unless they are able to manage a transition back to a more laisse faire attitude very carefully."
These are your lines, Richard, from an earler post talking about UKIP. Which proves to me that when you talk of UKIP as 'THEM' and not 'US', where your true feelings are. Give Cleggie a bell; he'll welcome you.
Incidentally, I love the "harm to others" bit: zero on mushrooms. Lol!
Freedom.
Not for the faint hearted though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ineCyWAOvqA
You would suppose incorrectly, obviously.
It was very very rare (mainly worn by whack jobs in the desert) until the 19th century, when the Brits occupied Egypt. Being good Liberals they promptly banned the burqa as representing the subjugation of women. Naturally, this lead to nationalists adopting the burqa as a symbol of rejection of Western values...
It's this history that makes me so nervous about permitting it in the UK. It is, very simply, an expression of 'apartness' and a rejection of everything out society stands for.
Adrenaline was always my fave.
I'm not a libertarian so I wouldn't ban them completely personally but they make a good issue for arguing over the principle that should apply when considering the rights and wrongs of restricting freedom when it comes to clothing, in particular (imo) that it should be considered on a case by case basis dependent on context i.e. court rooms.
Also useful for trying to force multicultists to state a single principle explicitly rather thanlet them have one principle in theory but in reality two because they ignore it when it conflicts with the multicult e.g. FGM, gender-based abortion etc.