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They shouldn't be banned in ordinary public situations, just disapproved of. Where they should be banned is in places like schools, colleges, courtrooms, etc.taffys said:This is one of the biggest disconnects between the rulers and the ruled.
One of the points made on the Guardian site is that this garment is being worn not for religious purposes, but to challenge the cultural norms of a free democracy. Its a political garment, not a religious one.
It's hard not to agree with that.
The only problem for me is enforcement. Imagine being a copper having to nick muslim women for wearing burqas. The lawyers will have a field day.
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''Of course if it was banned then it wouldn't quite as free a democracy and they would have succeeded with their challenge.''
Maybe Neil. Does this mean you would sanction the wearing of brownshirts? That's also a political garment, not a religious one, after all.
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Ideally women who don't want to wear them would wear something else - without fear of reprisal from within their own communities.
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''Every bleeding heart do gooder will march down the street in a burka, trying to get arrested.''
Certainly a problem.
By the way TFS, your image of a woman wearing Agent Provocateur under her burqa whilst chatting politely to relatives is one I've found difficult to shrug off in the past 24 hours.
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I have to confess that I was concerned with the amount of leeway that the Judge apparently gave to the defendant in the recent case. I do not think it is enough for the defendant to show her face when she is giving evidence. Her reaction to the evidence against her is something that juries can and do properly take into account. That should not be hidden from them.
It also seems to me that it makes it too easy for her not to give evidence and claim an unfair trial as a result. If she had to be uncovered throughout the court proceedings no such argument could be made.
The charge she faces is a serious one. If convicted she may well be sent to jail. I am not aware of the Prison service allowing those sentenced to wear such clothing. I would have thought the security risk would be unacceptable.
More generally I am concerned that in indulging this societal norm (and it is not a religous requirement as shown by the countries in the world where muslims do not wear such outfits) we are accepting something that allows women to be treated as different and second class citizens, something to be hidden away and not to take an equal part in our society. The patriarchal mindset and attitudes behind the burqa are contrary to our societal principles and beliefs. I would stop it.
Dan Hodges makes a good argument for the opposite view but he assumes that this is the free choice of the women. I just don't believe they have a choice which they can freely express. That needs to change.
The French are not often right but there is an exception to every rule and this might just be it.0 -
I'm beginning to think TFS was talking about himself ;-)taffys said:''Every bleeding heart do gooder will march down the street in a burka, trying to get arrested.''
Certainly a problem.
By the way TFS, your image of a woman wearing Agent Provocateur under her burqa whilst chatting politely to relatives is one I've found difficult to shrug off in the past 24 hours.0 -
My awesome shoes (as worn at the PB meet, which still gives Ave It, nightmares)Neil said:
I'm not aware that anyone needs my permission to made dubious fashion statements. You should see the shoes TSE goes out in.taffys said:
Does this mean you would sanction the wearing of brownshirts?
TSEofPB @TSEofPB 20 Apr
My awesome shoes
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More random jottings from the Lib Dem conference in Glasgow.
The biggest attendance in a debate yet for the defence policy motion. Although the motion was comprehensive most of the debate was on Trident, as was the crucial vote. The victory for the official line was partly due to some sections of the 'peace' movement in the party accepting that it could mean disarmament in practice.
Although not the biggest ever I am still reassured by the attendance. For every attendee in the main auditorium there will be 2,3, or 4 in training sessions, Q and A's with ministers or in the bars.
Just looking through the 6.15 fringe meetings I am intrigued by Lib Dem Women and Mining. But they are not offering ' snap' so probably not.
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Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.....TheScreamingEagles said:
My awesome shoes (as worn at the PB meet, which still gives Ave It, nightmares)Neil said:
I'm not aware that anyone needs my permission to made dubious fashion statements. You should see the shoes TSE goes out in.taffys said:
Does this mean you would sanction the wearing of brownshirts?
TSEofPB @TSEofPB 20 Apr
My awesome shoes
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It's certainly a mischievous idea, if it does get banned, but the Mrs would kill me if I stretched her expensive knicks. It would certainly put the arresting officer on the back foot, might give me time to effect an escape.Alanbrooke said:
I'm beginning to think TFS was talking about himself ;-)taffys said:''Every bleeding heart do gooder will march down the street in a burka, trying to get arrested.''
Certainly a problem.
By the way TFS, your image of a woman wearing Agent Provocateur under her burqa whilst chatting politely to relatives is one I've found difficult to shrug off in the past 24 hours.
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Guido update on Portsmouth.
http://order-order.com/2013/09/17/hancock-committee-hearing-members-speak-out/
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Great news for Eck
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10315370/NIESR-Independent-Scotland-would-face-decade-of-economic-pain.html
"The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) found that a separate Scotland would start life with a “substantial amount” of debt that would need to be reduced over its first 10 years.
According to its calculations, the money markets would charge a separate Scotland, as a new state, billions of pounds more interest than the UK on its borrowing.
The economists said that ministers would have to squeeze Scotland's budget by 5.4 per cent to get their finances in order, requiring cuts in public spending or increases in taxation.
However, they warned this may not be enough if there was an economic shock and Scotland may require control over its own monetary policy, such as interest rates, to stabilise its finances.
This would mean a separate Scotland having to adopt its own currency as keeping sterling would mean monetary policy being dictated by the Bank of England."
Based on the NIESR estimates, the Treasury said a separate Scotland would have paid £3 billion more in interest on its borrowing between 2013/14 and 2017/18 than if it had remained part of the UK.0 -
'Gentrification' in Cambridge simply means that the prices of houses and flats are through the roof. There seems to be little demographic change.TGOHF said:
Cambridge last time out Labour grabbed 3rd from the jaws of victory - not helped by their Nazi saluting candidate - who is fighting the seat again.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mainly, but in Cambridge with C in 2nd, Lab are realistically the challenger . The Lab figure could be higher.MikeSmithson said:
When you say main rival do you mean LAB in 2nd place?TCPoliticalBetting said:Of the 11 LD MPs fighting as 1st time incumbents, 6 have Labour as the main rival.
The gentrification (caused by a "house price bubble" (c) tim ) is happening slowly inside the city - long term Labour look doomed.
One Smithson theory that seems to be on the money: it states that the tories are not trying hard enough this close to a GE to win it. He quotes direct experience in Bedford, and claims, accurately, that there is lack of tory activity on the ground all over the country.
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet.
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You could come to my fringe at 615! (SECC Alsk 2) - pb solidarity and all that? (I don't mind if you're wearing a burqa.) We have the most expensive nibbles on the planet - we asked for vegan and the conference centre said urgh, you don't want our nice chicken nibbles, we'll need to make yours SPECIALLY and it'll COST you.slade said:
Just looking through the 6.15 fringe meetings I am intrigued by Lib Dem Women and Mining. But they are not offering ' snap' so probably not.
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Maybe they'll endorse you!david_kendrick1 said:
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet.
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Shakes head at least Lab maj is nailed on.0 -
The Con finished 2nd last time with virtually zero ground game.Neil said:
Maybe they'll endorse you!david_kendrick1 said:
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet.
Kippers seemed to do well in the county but didn't feature in the city much.0 -
david_kendrick1 said:
'Gentrification' in Cambridge simply means that the prices of houses and flats are through the roof. There seems to be little demographic change.TGOHF said:
Cambridge last time out Labour grabbed 3rd from the jaws of victory - not helped by their Nazi saluting candidate - who is fighting the seat again.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mainly, but in Cambridge with C in 2nd, Lab are realistically the challenger . The Lab figure could be higher.MikeSmithson said:
When you say main rival do you mean LAB in 2nd place?TCPoliticalBetting said:Of the 11 LD MPs fighting as 1st time incumbents, 6 have Labour as the main rival.
The gentrification (caused by a "house price bubble" (c) tim ) is happening slowly inside the city - long term Labour look doomed.
I'd disagree with that - a lot - but it would be all anecdotal based on 16yrs of living there.
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Were the Tory students shipped around to marginals instead? Or not quite fit to be let loose on people's doorsteps?TGOHF said:
The Con finished 2nd last time with virtually zero ground game.Neil said:
Maybe they'll endorse you!david_kendrick1 said:
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet.0 -
We would be happy to have Lembit as a candidate in our constituency.0
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No idea - I had lots of leaflets and doorstep visits from LDs and Labour - even the good doctor Huppert himself.Neil said:
Were the Tory students shipped around to marginals instead? Or not quite fit to be let loose on people's doorsteps?TGOHF said:
The Con finished 2nd last time with virtually zero ground game.Neil said:
Maybe they'll endorse you!david_kendrick1 said:
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet.
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@TGOHF
I would like to think it is the fault of the Telegraph, who had a political writer reporting on this rather than someone with a business brief, but that article struck me as almost incoherent.
I would certainly accept that an independent Scotland would have to pay more to borrow until it got a "track record" but why this would need Scotland to have its own currency is very unclear.
I can certainly see that when base rates start to rise to deal with a bubble in London and the SE that could be very uncomfortable for a Scotland where house prices are still falling but I don't see how that could require Scotland to have "its own interest rates". Most relevant rates are fixed by the market in any event, not by governments.
If Scotland were running a surplus, something that would take the elimination of several of the SNP goodies and quite a bit more tax, then it seems likely to me that their historic debt, which might well have a joint and several liability with RUK, would cost no more than it does at the moment. It may be different as that debt was rolled over but this would be a long term matter which would depend on how much new debt, if any, Scotland was taking on. Why this would involve selling or mortgaging the income flow from the north sea was also obscure.
Not a great bit of work really.0 -
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Here's the link to the reportDavidL said:@TGOHF
I would like to think it is the fault of the Telegraph, who had a political writer reporting on this rather than someone with a business brief, but that article struck me as almost incoherent.
Not a great bit of work really.
http://niesr.ac.uk/press/scotland’s-currency-options-11595#.Ujh7FcbksYk
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Lembit Opik = Bit like mop0
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To stop letting politicians off the hook, interviewers' first question to them should be 'what lessons have been learned?'.TwistedFireStopper said:Theresa May on Sky News talking about the Daniel Pelka case, uttering that worthless platitude "Lessons have been learned". Clearly, they haven't learned. Not until someone loses their job, or goes to prison for criminal negligence.
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I'm glad he survived the experience!TGOHF said:
No idea - I had lots of leaflets and doorstep visits from LDs and Labour - even the good doctor Huppert himself.Neil said:
Were the Tory students shipped around to marginals instead? Or not quite fit to be let loose on people's doorsteps?TGOHF said:
The Con finished 2nd last time with virtually zero ground game.Neil said:
Maybe they'll endorse you!david_kendrick1 said:
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet. 0 -
He didn't have his record to defend back then - I went easyNeil said:
I'm glad he survived the experience!TGOHF said:
No idea - I had lots of leaflets and doorstep visits from LDs and Labour - even the good doctor Huppert himself.Neil said:
Were the Tory students shipped around to marginals instead? Or not quite fit to be let loose on people's doorsteps?TGOHF said:
The Con finished 2nd last time with virtually zero ground game.Neil said:
Maybe they'll endorse you!david_kendrick1 said:
In Cambridge, a three-way marginal held in a university seat by the LDs, the tory candidate is, er, not selected yet.
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Thanks. I don't have time to read it all just now but the executive summary is as unconvincing as the Telegraph, if a little more coherent.TGOHF said:
Here's the link to the reportDavidL said:@TGOHF
I would like to think it is the fault of the Telegraph, who had a political writer reporting on this rather than someone with a business brief, but that article struck me as almost incoherent.
Not a great bit of work really.
http://niesr.ac.uk/press/scotland’s-currency-options-11595#.Ujh7FcbksYk
To take an example which Scotland do you think would pay more for its borrowing: a Scotland that was unable to print its own currency and used Sterling or a country that introduced a new, untried currency with the capacity to devalue and print as required? The cost of having our own currency would be horrendous at the moment which is why the SNP has given up on the idea.
And why would rUK want to take on the existing debt in exchange for the uncertain income flow from the north sea, especially when they would have limited control of it after independence? What is in it for them exactly?
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Free school meals for ALL 5,6 & 7 yo's from next Sept - Clegg to announce.
BRIBE !!0 -
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There is no money left (unless you are less than 7 or over 65...)
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BRIBE 2 to follow (BBC)
"At a briefing ahead of the announcement the Lib Dems suggested they had got the funding for school lunches in return for allowing Conservative plans for a marriage tax break."0 -
Is MyBurningEars around?
The Electoral Commission has a download with the 2010 election results which you'd expect to be correct:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/our-work/our-research/electoral-data0 -
Clegg ain't endorsing lowering the voting age down to infant school, is he?TGOHF said:Free school meals for ALL 5,6 & 7 yo's from next Sept - Clegg to announce.
BRIBE !!
Still, I think its a good policy, given the big story today.0 -
There was quite an interesting critique of the Serious Case review on Today this morning. Basically, the criticism was that the report was written with the benefit of hindsight and with the benefit (if that is the word) of knowing what actually happened. It would have been more useful, it was said, to review the evidence that was before the various officials at the time and ask what alarm bells should have been ringing at that point.David_Evershed said:
To stop letting politicians off the hook, interviewers' first question to them should be 'what lessons have been learned?'.TwistedFireStopper said:Theresa May on Sky News talking about the Daniel Pelka case, uttering that worthless platitude "Lessons have been learned". Clearly, they haven't learned. Not until someone loses their job, or goes to prison for criminal negligence.
Of course such a review would be a lot more pointed and involve a lot of second guessing but it might also have provided better guidance about when, how and where those in authority need to intervene.
Instead we got the usual that no one in particular was to blame (other than the criminals of course), that opportunities to co-ordinate what was known were missed etc etc. The stuff we have heard time and time again.0 -
Sco, NI and Wales to get funds to give free school meals too if they so desire.0
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TGOHF said:
BRIBE 2 to follow (BBC)
"At a briefing ahead of the announcement the Lib Dems suggested they had got the funding for school lunches in return for allowing Conservative plans for a marriage tax break."
Since free school meals for all came out of a Tory inspired review then Gove has done well to trade it for a married couple tax break"
FRIDAY 12 JULY 2013
"All primary school children could get free school meals under proposals being considered by the Education Secretary, Michael Gove.
A review of school food recommends that giving out free lunches to all primary pupils could help improve their health and educational achievement. The scheme could be trialled in the most deprived parts of England.
The review, published this morning, also recommends that headteachers consider banning packed lunches altogether, claiming that just 1 per cent of them meet the nutritional standards of a cooked school meal. The School Food Plan was commissioned by the Education Secretary last year to examine pupils’ unhealthy eating. It was conducted by the co-founders of the Leon restaurant chain, Henry Dimbleby and John Vincent, who say “every word” was endorsed and “signed off” by Mr Gove himself."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/free-school-meals-for-every-primary-school-pupil-education-secretary-michael-gove-joins-the-war-on-packed-lunches-8704861.html0 -
In the year that Margaret Thatcher died bringing back school milk as well was clearly just too much for Conservatives to swallow !!TwistedFireStopper said:
Clegg ain't endorsing lowering the voting age down to infant school, is he?TGOHF said:Free school meals for ALL 5,6 & 7 yo's from next Sept - Clegg to announce.
BRIBE !!
Still, I think its a good policy, given the big story today.
Next year perhaps ....
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Nick Clegg - ""I am the leader" and Lib Dems will go on in Govt until May 2015"0
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@David Evershed
"Dan Hodges makes a good argument for the opposite view but he assumes that this is the free choice of the women. I just don't believe they have a choice which they can freely express. That needs to change."
Ultra orthodox Jewish women shave their heads and wear wigs for the same reason that Muslim women wear burqas. That is to avoid being attractive to men.
They are obliged to do this when they get married and continue the practice for the rest of their lives even if they become widowed.
I very much doubt any of these women would accept that they were doing it because their husbands insisted. It is just part of the traditions and obligations they choose to live their lives by (which incidentally are dwarfed by the obligations placed on their husbands.)
I know many and I know for certain they would find your attitude patronizing. I don't personally know any Muslim women who wear the burqa but I have no reason to suppose they wouldn't feel the same.0 -
Since free school meals for all came out of a Tory inspired review then Gove has done well to trade it for a married couple tax break"
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You could argue that their attitude is actually insulting to men in that it assumes that men wouldn't be able to control themselves if they didn't cover/shave their hair, etc.Roger said:@David Evershed
"Dan Hodges makes a good argument for the opposite view but he assumes that this is the free choice of the women. I just don't believe they have a choice which they can freely express. That needs to change."
Ultra orthodox Jewish women shave their heads and wear wigs for the same reason that Muslim women wear burqas. That is to avoid being attractive to men.
They are obliged to do this when they get married and continue the practice for the rest of their lives even if they become widowed.
I very much doubt any of these women would accept that they were doing it because their husbands insisted. It is just part of the traditions and obligations they choose to live their lives by (which incidentally are dwarfed by the obligations placed on their husbands.)
I know many and I know for certain they would find your attitude patronizing. I don't personally know any Muslim women who wear the burqa but I have no reason to suppose they wouldn't feel the same.0 -
Replying to the news that the Coalition was to fund free school meals for 5-7 year old Ed Miliband said :
"With soring obesity rates among the young this government is now wasting precious funds on the indolent children of benefit cheats and those scrounging offspring of millionaires who instead of sending their kids to Eton take up places rightly meant for the lovely boys and girls of hard working Guardian readers."0 -
Bit naughty of Clegg to announce a policy during conference season - puts pressure on Ed for next week to pull a baby panda out of his rear.
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Scotland would have to pay different interest rates to the rUK regardless of the currency they use. The Eurozone have different bond yields, as we very well know by now.TGOHF said:Great news for Eck
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10315370/NIESR-Independent-Scotland-would-face-decade-of-economic-pain.html
"The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) found that a separate Scotland would start life with a “substantial amount” of debt that would need to be reduced over its first 10 years.
According to its calculations, the money markets would charge a separate Scotland, as a new state, billions of pounds more interest than the UK on its borrowing.
The economists said that ministers would have to squeeze Scotland's budget by 5.4 per cent to get their finances in order, requiring cuts in public spending or increases in taxation.
However, they warned this may not be enough if there was an economic shock and Scotland may require control over its own monetary policy, such as interest rates, to stabilise its finances.
This would mean a separate Scotland having to adopt its own currency as keeping sterling would mean monetary policy being dictated by the Bank of England."
Based on the NIESR estimates, the Treasury said a separate Scotland would have paid £3 billion more in interest on its borrowing between 2013/14 and 2017/18 than if it had remained part of the UK.
I am not entirely sure why in the long run the Scottish interest rates would necessarily be higher. I am not convinced on that. It would depend both on the monetary policies [ initially same as the rUK or later the ECB, say ] as well as their overall economic performance. If they achieve good growth rates, their bond yields will begin to come down.0 -
I posted the whole report later - main thrust was that report seemed to suggest that Scotland would be in a better position during a down turn by having own currency.surbiton said:
Scotland would have to pay different interest rates to the rUK regardless of the currency they use. The Eurozone have different bond yields, as we very well know by now.TGOHF said:Great news for Eck
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10315370/NIESR-Independent-Scotland-would-face-decade-of-economic-pain.html
"The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) found that a separate Scotland would start life with a “substantial amount” of debt that would need to be reduced over its first 10 years.
According to its calculations, the money markets would charge a separate Scotland, as a new state, billions of pounds more interest than the UK on its borrowing.
The economists said that ministers would have to squeeze Scotland's budget by 5.4 per cent to get their finances in order, requiring cuts in public spending or increases in taxation.
However, they warned this may not be enough if there was an economic shock and Scotland may require control over its own monetary policy, such as interest rates, to stabilise its finances.
This would mean a separate Scotland having to adopt its own currency as keeping sterling would mean monetary policy being dictated by the Bank of England."
Based on the NIESR estimates, the Treasury said a separate Scotland would have paid £3 billion more in interest on its borrowing between 2013/14 and 2017/18 than if it had remained part of the UK.
I am not entirely sure why in the long run the Scottish interest rates would necessarily be higher. I am not convinced on that. It would depend both on the monetary policies [ initially same as the rUK or later the ECB, say ] as well as their overall economic performance. If they achieve good growth rates, their bond yields will begin to come down.
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All those Lloyds share profits.tim said:
The magic money tree is producing - spending more than Labour and giveaways for conference too.TGOHF said:Bit naughty of Clegg to announce a policy during conference season - puts pressure on Ed for next week to pull a baby panda out of his rear.
Marriage breaks for the Mail too.
"There is no money left"
Perhaps Ed could cancel the free meals to pay for his bedroom tax cut ?
You must be gutted.
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The Belfast Telegraph has conducted a poll of NI voting intentions. Biggest winner is NOTA with 44% of voters saying they couldn't be bothered. Only 3.8% want a united Ireland.
Slugger has the vote breakdown by community.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/poll-alliance-on-the-rise-as-unionists-lose-ground-in-voting-intentions-survey-29584151.html
http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/09/17/voting-intentions-survey-44-wouldnt-vote/0 -
Lol tim's smiling through gritted teeth - and the idea came from Gove!TGOHF said:
All those Lloyds share profits.tim said:
The magic money tree is producing - spending more than Labour and giveaways for conference too.TGOHF said:Bit naughty of Clegg to announce a policy during conference season - puts pressure on Ed for next week to pull a baby panda out of his rear.
Marriage breaks for the Mail too.
"There is no money left"
Perhaps Ed could cancel the free meals to pay for his bedroom tax cut ?
You must be gutted.0 -
GO, Gove and Clegg finally bring out a big fat Labour Brownite bribe and he's whining ?felix said:
Lol tim's smiling through gritted teeth - and the idea came from Gove!TGOHF said:
All those Lloyds share profits.tim said:
The magic money tree is producing - spending more than Labour and giveaways for conference too.TGOHF said:Bit naughty of Clegg to announce a policy during conference season - puts pressure on Ed for next week to pull a baby panda out of his rear.
Marriage breaks for the Mail too.
"There is no money left"
Perhaps Ed could cancel the free meals to pay for his bedroom tax cut ?
You must be gutted.
No pleasing some people...
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All that extra revenue from cutting the top rate of tax being used to help children. Conservative principles in action.tim said:Free school meals pay down the debt
Marriage tax breaks pay down the debt
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I predict a lot more wailing and gnashing of teeth from timville before May 2015. Sit back and enjoy the fun. I know I will.TGOHF said:
GO, Gove and Clegg finally bring out a big fat Labour Brownite bribe and he's whining ?felix said:
Lol tim's smiling through gritted teeth - and the idea came from Gove!TGOHF said:
All those Lloyds share profits.tim said:
The magic money tree is producing - spending more than Labour and giveaways for conference too.TGOHF said:Bit naughty of Clegg to announce a policy during conference season - puts pressure on Ed for next week to pull a baby panda out of his rear.
Marriage breaks for the Mail too.
"There is no money left"
Perhaps Ed could cancel the free meals to pay for his bedroom tax cut ?
You must be gutted.
No pleasing some people...0 -
@TGOHF
"puts pressure on Ed for next week to pull a baby panda out of his rear."
http://www.teknemedia.net/esposizioni/2011/TKimg4df08a8c33e4a.jpg0 -
Quick send the Rainbow Warrior down to Adelaide
http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/1.2574941
"The new Australian Cabinet will be the first in six years to not have a ministerial role for climate change issues, merging instead global warming with the wider environment portfolio.
Announcing his Cabinet on Monday, incoming Prime Minister Tony Abbott appointed Greg Hunt, the Liberal-National Coalition’s spokesman on climate change issues since 2009, as the new Minister for the Environment.(Hunt) will have responsibility for the abolition of the carbon tax.."0 -
Of course these free school meals aren't included in the all new and splendid "wages vs inflation" calculations.
Nor tax cuts - including a marriage tax cut.0 -
Oh dear - lol.
@paulwaugh: Lib Dem free school meals policy will be funded by spending cuts elsewhere, I'm told.!0 -
O/T Global Climate
The world remains anamoulously warm - August 2013 was the 4th warmest August ever recorded according to NOAA.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/8
Examples of poor interpretation of science:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html
Just mirrors some of the right-wing fruitcakes on here I guess...0 -
TGOHF said:
Oh dear - lol.
@paulwaugh: Lib Dem free school meals policy will be funded by spending cuts elsewhere, I'm told.!
Time to finally end the free school milk scheme?
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Good post. I too think the Judge was wrong not to say that the jury needed to see her reactions to others evidence.DavidL said:I have to confess that I was concerned with the amount of leeway that the Judge apparently gave to the defendant in the recent case. I do not think it is enough for the defendant to show her face when she is giving evidence. Her reaction to the evidence against her is something that juries can and do properly take into account. That should not be hidden from them.
It also seems to me that it makes it too easy for her not to give evidence and claim an unfair trial as a result. If she had to be uncovered throughout the court proceedings no such argument could be made.
The charge she faces is a serious one. If convicted she may well be sent to jail. I am not aware of the Prison service allowing those sentenced to wear such clothing. I would have thought the security risk would be unacceptable.
More generally I am concerned that in indulging this societal norm (and it is not a religous requirement as shown by the countries in the world where muslims do not wear such outfits) we are accepting something that allows women to be treated as different and second class citizens, something to be hidden away and not to take an equal part in our society. The patriarchal mindset and attitudes behind the burqa are contrary to our societal principles and beliefs. I would stop it.
Dan Hodges makes a good argument for the opposite view but he assumes that this is the free choice of the women. I just don't believe they have a choice which they can freely express. That needs to change.
The French are not often right but there is an exception to every rule and this might just be it.
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No threads on PB.com as yet on this weekend's important German Elections!
Today's Times has an interesting piece by Andrew Gimson suggesting that the recently-formed, eurosceptic AfD (Alternative for Germany) party appears capable of winning more than the 5% of votes necessary to entitle it to seats in the Bundestag and could win as much as 7%-9% of the vote - apparently the pollsters are having some difficulty in determining their true level of support.
Should they indeed enter the Bundestag, who knows just how well they might do in next year's Euro elections.0 -
Has there ever been a poll of NI residents where they were asked what party they would vote for if they lived on the GB mainland?Alanbrooke said:
The Belfast Telegraph has conducted a poll of NI voting intentions. Biggest winner is NOTA with 44% of voters saying they couldn't be bothered. Only 3.8% want a united Ireland.
Slugger has the vote breakdown by community.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/poll-alliance-on-the-rise-as-unionists-lose-ground-in-voting-intentions-survey-29584151.html
http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/09/17/voting-intentions-survey-44-wouldnt-vote/0 -
''Should they indeed enter the Bundestag, who knows just how well they might do in next year's Euro elections.''
There are a couple of other polls on Conhome that suggest the political tide is flowing with David Cameron as he heads for re-negotiations in 2014.
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Latest polls:peter_from_putney said:No threads on PB.com as yet on this weekend's important German Elections!
Today's Times has an interesting piece by Andrew Gimson suggesting that the recently-formed, eurosceptic AfD (Alternative for Germany) party appears capable of winning more than the 5% of votes necessary to entitle it to seats in the Bundestag and could win as much as 7%-9% of the vote - apparently the pollsters are having some difficulty in determining their true level of support.
Should they indeed enter the Bundestag, who knows just how well they might do in next year's Euro elections.
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Jonathan Freedland:
"Washington DC shootings: America's gun disease diminishes its soft power
The spate of shootings in the US and the lack of political will to tackle gun control shows the country as a basket case, not a model state"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/washington-dc-shootings-america-gun-disease0 -
Their eagerness to use violence in their dispute with Assad is reflected in the violence on their own streets.Andy_JS said:Jonathan Freedland:
"Washington DC shootings: America's gun disease diminishes its soft power
The spate of shootings in the US and the lack of political will to tackle gun control shows the country as a basket case, not a model state"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/washington-dc-shootings-america-gun-disease0 -
@Sunil
"Their eagerness to use violence in their dispute with Assad is reflected in the violence on their own streets."
Indeed. This even moreso
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Ordinary people in America need guns to protect themselves from the government — which has nuclear weapons and daisy cutters. Makes sense...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Their eagerness to use violence in their dispute with Assad is reflected in the violence on their own streets.Andy_JS said:Jonathan Freedland:
"Washington DC shootings: America's gun disease diminishes its soft power
The spate of shootings in the US and the lack of political will to tackle gun control shows the country as a basket case, not a model state"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/washington-dc-shootings-america-gun-disease0 -
I've not come across one Sunil. My guess is NI is more like Northern constituencies. Belfast, Derry Bann and Lagan Valley would most likely return a mix of Lab\LDs North Down and S. Antrim probably Con., the rural constituencies would probably be Con\LD marginals.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Has there ever been a poll of NI residents where they were asked what party they would vote for if they lived on the GB mainland?Alanbrooke said:
The Belfast Telegraph has conducted a poll of NI voting intentions. Biggest winner is NOTA with 44% of voters saying they couldn't be bothered. Only 3.8% want a united Ireland.
Slugger has the vote breakdown by community.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/poll-alliance-on-the-rise-as-unionists-lose-ground-in-voting-intentions-survey-29584151.html
http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/09/17/voting-intentions-survey-44-wouldnt-vote/
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Free school meals is a good idea and should go some way to reimbursing me for the idiotic CB tax hike when my boy starts school next year. As I am also married, who knows, I could end up better off. Why Ozzy forced me into the SA system only to pay me back with my own money is a question only he can answer.0
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Yup. Ban them. Obama should just do it.Andy_JS said:Jonathan Freedland:
"Washington DC shootings: America's gun disease diminishes its soft power
The spate of shootings in the US and the lack of political will to tackle gun control shows the country as a basket case, not a model state"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/washington-dc-shootings-america-gun-disease
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That's the story of tax and spending BaJ. They take your money off you, take a cut and then give it back expecting you to be grateful.Bobajob said:Free school meals is a good idea and should go some way to reimbursing me for the idiotic CB tax hike when my boy starts school next year. As I am also married, who knows, I could end up better off. Why Ozzy forced me into the SA system only to pay me back with my own money is a question only he can answer.
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