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ToryJim said:

Caught up with Tim Kaine's first speech as presumptive veep nominee over the weekend. Whilst the oratory isn't electric there is a folksy down home charm to him that is attractive. I suspect it will work for Clinton, an astute pick. It also shows a self awareness for Clinton to pick someone high on the likeability front given its an area she struggles with.

MarqueeMark said:

The Telegraph's most viewed. The URL says it all:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/23/eu-vote-over-and-the-uk-is-fine---lets-stop-the-negativity/

YellowSubmarine said:

MarqueeMark said:

The Telegraph's most viewed. The URL says it all:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/23/eu-vote-over-and-the-uk-is-fine---lets-stop-the-negativity/

It's not about disaster. It's about the length, complexity and of Brexit. The author wants us all to shut up because he knows full well we'll be taking about little for years. It's not our fault. The campaign slogan should have been " Vote Leave. Take back years of detailed and tortious hard work. "

GeoffM said:

YellowSubmarine said:

" Interesting " timing. This comes out a few days after the £8K on a " Call me Baby " viral video. A few days after he returns to the Lib Dem front bench. < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/nick-clegg-granted-former-prime-ministers-expenses-allowance-wor/

Can you have a "Front Bench" with the same number of MPs as a Norfolk farmer's fingers?

YellowSubmarine said:

" Interesting " timing. This comes out a few days after the £8K on a " Call me Baby " viral video. A few days after he returns to the Lib Dem front bench. < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/nick-clegg-granted-former-prime-ministers-expenses-allowance-wor/

Alistair said:

I see Theresa May is continuing her fine tradition of "Have Cake, Also, Eat Cake" when saying that there will be no change to the open Border between NI and RoI, yet who is this person here in the below link saying it is inconceivable that there wouldn't be any change. Why, it is Theresa May!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-36587809

What's the customs border like between NI and Mainland UK?

YellowSubmarine said:

MarqueeMark said:

The Telegraph's most viewed. The URL says it all:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/23/eu-vote-over-and-the-uk-is-fine---lets-stop-the-negativity/

It's not about disaster. It's about the length, complexity and of Brexit. The author wants us all to shut up because he knows full well we'll be taking about little for years. It's not our fault. The campaign slogan should have been " Vote Leave. Take back years of detailed and tortious hard work. "

Indigo said:

rcs1000 said:

YellowSubmarine said:

City A.M.: These two critical trade-offs will determine Britain's future EU relations. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwp8iuxyw

The London visa is not a stupid idea at all. In Australia, quite a number of visas limit you to a certain state.

London visa, local girlfriend, article 8 challenge, live where you like from then on. Seen it all before.

Its Article 8 that is the problem, it's black/white view of the issue prevents us making sensible solutions to our various immigration concerns.

GeoffM said:

YellowSubmarine said:

" Interesting " timing. This comes out a few days after the £8K on a " Call me Baby " viral video. A few days after he returns to the Lib Dem front bench. < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/nick-clegg-granted-former-prime-ministers-expenses-allowance-wor/

Can you have a "Front Bench" with the same number of MPs as a Norfolk farmer's fingers?

PlatoSaid said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Gas explosion my arse.

Now they are saying that it is unclear whether he was just trying to kill himself or take others with him.

That ladies and gentlemen is Libnial - Liberal Denial (of things that show liberalism is an untenable way to run a society)

Twitter is grimly amusing this morning - it's too easy to take the piss out of the obfuscation/deliberately misleading headlines.

One German media outlet tried to imply that the suicide bomber was just trying to kill himself. As you do.

Mortimer said:

Wow, I really can't imagine any British politician surviving such a series of attacks linked directly to an increased number of foreign nationals in the country.

How does Merkel do it?

YellowSubmarine said:

@rcs100 As an aside ' London Visas ' are an example of an area we've not begun to explore yet. Areas where Remainia can forge tactical alliances with the small minority of globalising Brexiters ( who are over represented on here ) ? If we're now in a generational and three dimensional culture war these small over laps are important. If we can keep London open, free and rich while ensuring the spasm of nihilistic ethno Nationalism that was the Leave vote in Barking will not pass then why not ? I'm adopting an unpleasant and hysterical tone as it seems to be the way to win elections at the moment.

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

German officials are in complete denial, aren't they.

Moses_ said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

GideonWise said:

Why is the phrase 'suicide bomber' not being used in connection with the latest incident from Germany? Those facts are now established.

New NUJ guidance?

Libnial

Reference to @Plato link up thread the BBC have the story as

"Syrian migrant dies in German blast"

The stupidity is laid bare when you try and write this headline kwith an IRA angle to it.....

"Irish migrant dies in British blast"

They have lost control....... they know it and we know it.

PlatoSaid said:

CD13 said:

Mr Bedfordshire,

"Libnial"

You misunderstand.

The poor lads have mental health issues because of the harsh conditions in Germany. They are trying to commit suicide as a result, but as assisted suicide is illegal (through no fault of their own), they hoping to make the police do it.

The man with the rucksack wanted to save the police the effort, but was keen on having a few minutes savouring good music before blowing himself (and only himself) up. Even that was denied him by the heartless German bastards.

A Swedish expert is saying the increase in rapes/sexual assaults there is down to the 'hot weather', absolutely unconnected to importing thousands of frustrated young men with no idea how to behave in our society.

Indigo said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

Bavarian Interior Minister appears to be off-message
Following a press conference, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann (CSU) told Germany’s DPA, that he personally considers the bombing in Ansbach to have been the work of an Islamist suicide bomber.

"My personal opinion is that, unfortunately I think, it is very obvious that there has been a real Islamist suicide attack here," Herrmann said early Monday.

MaxPB said:

Indigo said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

Bavarian Interior Minister appears to be off-message
Following a press conference, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann (CSU) told Germany’s DPA, that he personally considers the bombing in Ansbach to have been the work of an Islamist suicide bomber.

"My personal opinion is that, unfortunately I think, it is very obvious that there has been a real Islamist suicide attack here," Herrmann said early Monday.

The CSU are to the right of the CDU and want a much more restrictive migrant programme and rapid deportation of failed asylum seekers. This is the CSU telling their partner "we told you so".

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone.

Just seen the suicide bomber headline. Tragic that another David, a loner, whose motives are unclear, exploded for reasons that are uncertain.

It sounds like the only person he managed to kill was himself, so that's something.

Could be wrong, but I don't the BBC News at Ten last night even mentioned the machete attack.

john_zims said:

@YellowSubmarine

' Interesting " timing. This comes out a few days after the £8K on a " Call me Baby " viral video. A few days after he returns to the Lib Dem front bench. < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/nick-clegg-granted-former-prime-ministers-expenses-allowance-wor/'


So now Clegg with his snout in the trough,what a surprise.

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

German officials are in complete denial, aren't they.

Or not jumping (sorry) to conclusions? And yes I know about quacking like a duck!

Moses_ said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

German officials are in complete denial, aren't they.

Or not jumping (sorry) to conclusions? And yes I know about quacking like a duck!

Doesn't seem to stop them " jumping to conclusions" the opposite way within minutes of an incident though does it?

1) mental health
2) was working alone
3) No connection to terrorism
4) No Connection to ISIS.

Charles said:

YellowSubmarine said:

MarqueeMark said:

The Telegraph's most viewed. The URL says it all:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/23/eu-vote-over-and-the-uk-is-fine---lets-stop-the-negativity/

It's not about disaster. It's about the length, complexity and of Brexit. The author wants us all to shut up because he knows full well we'll be taking about little for years. It's not our fault. The campaign slogan should have been " Vote Leave. Take back years of detailed and tortious hard work. "

Most things worth doing take years of detailed and hard work.

YellowSubmarine said:

@rcs100 As an aside ' London Visas ' are an example of an area we've not begun to explore yet. Areas where Remainia can forge tactical alliances with the small minority of globalising Brexiters ( who are over represented on here ) ? If we're now in a generational and three dimensional culture war these small over laps are important. If we can keep London open, free and rich while ensuring the spasm of nihilistic ethno Nationalism that was the Leave vote in Barking will not pass then why not ? I'm adopting an unpleasant and hysterical tone as it seems to be the way to win elections at the moment.

IanB2 said:

YellowSubmarine said:

GideonWise said:

Why is the phrase 'suicide bomber' not being used in connection with the latest incident from Germany? Those facts are now established.

New NUJ guidance?

Because while there may not be direct causality between the three attacks in southern Germany they certainly aren't a coincidence. Three attacks all of a sudden in Germany , who had previously been spared, if not entirely then largely fitting the Demos/Stranger Danger metanarative. Two Asylum Seekers and and Iranian German. An Iranian German who were now told may have discussed his plan with an Afghan friend. All happening as we approach the one year count down to the Federal elections and in southern Germany where it causes Merkel problems with the CSU not just AfD.

Direct causality for a Collectively Unconscious synchronicity these attacks are *deeply* significant. It's the sound of the first creak of the centre not holding. Journalism tends to be a liberal trade. If it takes them 12hrs to 24hrs to shift from using " man with a bomb who committed suicide " to " Suicide Bomber " that's a good sign. It means journalists have understood exactly what's happened, what it means and how truly grim it is.

Perceptive.

I fear this shift in approach will have a profound effect on attitudes. The carefully planned major attacks a la 7/7 were meant to terrify en masse but, just as with London and the IRA, people adapt to the fact that these major incidents don't happen very often, tend to be focused on major population centres, and the chance of being caught up in one is small. Now we face random small scale incidents that don't need a lot of preparation and could take place pretty much anytime anywhere a reasonable number of people are gathered together. And the frequency could be high and the sense of threat therefore relentless. You are right that the prospect is grim.

PlatoSaid said:

Indigo said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

Bavarian Interior Minister appears to be off-message
Following a press conference, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann (CSU) told Germany’s DPA, that he personally considers the bombing in Ansbach to have been the work of an Islamist suicide bomber.

"My personal opinion is that, unfortunately I think, it is very obvious that there has been a real Islamist suicide attack here," Herrmann said early Monday.

Does Bavaria have an especially large number of Islamic migrants? All the recent attacks have happened there. Coincidence or a coordinated set of events - at least in part? The police there must be knackered after the last week.

Freggles said:

Moses_ said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

It might just be German way / translation but guardian report German official actually querying if he just meant to blow himself up or lots of people...despite his rucksack full of screws / nails.& trying to get into the music festival.

If all you want to do is kill yourself most people take lot of pills or jump off a building etc.

Immediate question, was he working alone or did people help him make the bomb?

German officials are in complete denial, aren't they.

Or not jumping (sorry) to conclusions? And yes I know about quacking like a duck!

Doesn't seem to stop them " jumping to conclusions" the opposite way within minutes of an incident though does it?

1) mental health
2) was working alone
3) No connection to terrorism
4) No Connection to ISIS.

This may come as a surprise to you, but mental illness makes people more vulnerable to radicalisation