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What an interesting few hours where Labour are trying to look even more split than the Tory party, but I do think the plotters inside the Labour party are doing the right thing, I’ve said many times Jeremy Corbyn will lead Labour to an epochal defeat at a general election, whereas someone vaguely electable might actually defeat the Tories at the next general election.
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The Corbyn magic doesn't seem to be working on Facebook or Twitter. Opinion seems genuinely divided rather than behind him. A big change. He could be going.
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My favourite comment from the FB Labour party forum (usually a Corbyn fan club)
"I'm desperate for a Left Wing Leader. Corbyn meets the first requirement, but obviously not the second."
If Labour Remainers successfully have a coup to get a more pro-Remain leader, joining the Lib Dems in pledging to be "the party for the 48%" while the Tories elect a leave leader and that's how we go into the General Election we could be in for interesting times.
Surely UKIP would dissolve now as a threat against the Tory right with a Leave leader and have to ruthlessly target the Labour Party working class that have voted Leave.
Labour source tells me that McDonnell and Milne want Corbyn out
2) I said gravitas and experience.
A complacent believe that might not have been true. And against a credible Labour leader won't be true. Though who from Labour is both credible and not going to piss off the northern voters by going gung ho for Remain?
Hanging by a thread with a giant wedgie, waving the Union Jack.
TSE- undoubtedly the cleverest line I have read in pbCOM in my 12 years of venturing onto this site. So, I can guess you are on the anyone but Boris group.
FWIW- I know that you threatened to leave the Tory Party- but you won't. Like me with Corbyn, you'll stick around. Loyalty to your political party is too hard to shake off.
Lastly, New Order weren't that great last night. I hate myself for this, but Adele was much better.
Parliament is going to be a little like parliament was after the fall of France this week methinks.
Boris PM, government of national unity with the likes of Gisella as minister for Europe, Ian paisley Junior as education secretary, and maybe just maybe Frank Field as Welfare Secretary.
Fox....That is political speak for I am 100% certain of running for the leadership
That leaves Clive Lewis in a good position.
The problem with all the smug nonsense about Brexit having broken it so they own it is that right now they don't. Cameron is still PM and Osborne is still Chancellor. Neither Boris nor Gove (outside Justice) have any significant input into government policy.
This really cannot go on in the face of the current uncertainty. Cameron needs to accelerate the transfer of power to days rather than months. Whether that will allow the party the full membership ballot I am not sure. They would need to move very fast. It may be that the MP who gets the most support in the Parliamentary party could take over as interim leader pending the membership's decision but even that would increase the period of uncertainty in a dangerous way.
On the Labour side I think the PLP have to pick a new leader to be leader of the Opposition in Parliament. They can't stop Corbyn from carrying on with the title of leader of the Labour party but they can make that meaningless.
There's no excuse for them then, bloody well turnout!!
Of course Britain leaving was inevitable anyway. The EU is going to become one nation eventually with an army, flag, anthem the lot and the British people would just never accept that.
As for your last line, I'll pretend you didn't say that
Sterling and the markets will go into melt down next week- the 20% Brexit correction that we were warned of may come much sooner than anticipated.
Boris took a gamble with his career. He had to walk away from political friendships and political certainties. But he has bipartisan appeal. As a Tory, he got people to vote for him as the Labour city of London. I suspect that he has been the reason why a number of Labour leaning voters were prepared to vote Leave. They wouldn't if Farage had been the face of Leave. Hell, I wouldn't have voted Leave if Farage had been it.
In deciphering the polls it is vital to ask the right questions.
Many wrongly concluded that their Tory/Labour performance was the best indicator of telephone superiority last year, when their poor performance on left/right was the real giveaway.
Political Polls Retweeted Political Polls
Maine GE,
In the 2nd Congressional District:
Trump 30% (+2)
Clinton 28
If so it makes me wonder why ?
Edit - conspiracy no.1 is article 50 will never be declared, the government are waiting months in the hope something come sup to allow a second referendum.
What I want our new government to look for is:
-Access to the Single Market for both goods and services and
_ Some control on immigration from the EU such as having to have a confirmed job before you come.
We would be out of the CAP and CFP, out of the European Parliament and out of the hegemony of the CJE. We would continue to co-operate with the EU on areas of common interest such as security, pollution etc. We would pay a contribution to the EU, ideally somewhat less than half of what we pay at the moment for these market privileges.
I genuinely believe that this is a doable deal but it needs clear leadership and cool heads. At the moment our political class are providing neither.
Not talking the country down. Saying everybody should calm down and take stock.
Have the humility to stop being so fucking certain about things of which you know nothing.
Maybe not after Chilcott
So leave aside thoughts of trust and betrayal -- who is best placed to save your neck and your seat? Boris or the colourless and cynically low-profile pair of May and Hammond? Boris or some yet to be determined acolyte of George Osborne? Boris or defeat?
Of course, if MPs are high-minded and vote on who is best placed to negotiate Brexit and beyond, Boris is stuffed. But are they?
Are they shorting the London property market?