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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,976

    Moses_ said:

    He's going to resign by the looks
    Someone else to carry this forward?

    So when he said he wouldnt resign he didn't mean it ?
    Alan , He kept to his usual policy , he could not be seen to have been telling the truth.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    I like Cameron but he ran a terrible referendum campaign which relied on scaring people into voting the way he wanted.

    Yes, I think he blotted his copybook quite badly there. Other than that, he was a class act. I'll miss him. I won't be alone.
    I'm certainly sad to see him go, which I definitely wasn't about Blair or Brown at all!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,976

    Corbyn got to go as well - David Cameron has just shown the Nation how to resign

    Corbyn has no principles, he will need to be dragged out kicking and screaming.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,132

    Boris in the end proved himself in the campaign, so it would make sense that he becomes next prime minister, Gove as Chancellor perhaps, and I can certainly see a negotiated deal involving some sort of EFTA type option, to be approved in a general election soon after.

    Inevitable that Cameron resigned, a good speech from him, his voice broke a little towards the end.

    I'm going for anyone but Boris. He belittled himself in the campaign: mainly because his heart was not with leave. Hence his rather contradictory statements.

    What is more, he won't be a good PM. He was hardly a 'good' mayor. (*)

    The Conservatives need a caretaker from October - the Howard role - to steady the ship, and then one of the 2010 or even 2015 intake to take over before 2020.

    (*) And yes, I said this long before the referendum.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,128
    Jobabob said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
    I don't see what Corbyn has done wrong, his honesty about the EU was one of the reasons I felt able to vote remain.
    He has deliberately failed to lead his people across the line. He is culpable.
    Well more importantly I've got bet on him to see out 2016.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    Tebbit telling Soubrey off. Good on him. Dreadful woman.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,132
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
    I don't see what Corbyn has done wrong, his honesty about the EU was one of the reasons I felt able to vote remain.
    He has generally been against the EU, yet felt compelled to campaign for remain for party reasons. He did so lacklusterly, and did not deliver the Labour vote.

    Conversely, Cameron fought for what he felt was right as hard as he could.

    Cameron led and lost. Corbyn did not lead and lost. Both losers yesterday, but at least one of them tried.

    I doubt Labour - especially their MPs - are going to forgive Corbyn.
  • pinball13pinball13 Posts: 89
    And now Cameron's gone too. I can't take it all in. Still can't believe I didn't get to vote last night!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032
    Pound at $1.37.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,790

    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
    I don't see what Corbyn has done wrong, his honesty about the EU was one of the reasons I felt able to vote remain.
    He has generally been against the EU, yet felt compelled to campaign for remain for party reasons. He did so lacklusterly, and did not deliver the Labour vote.

    Conversely, Cameron fought for what he felt was right as hard as he could.

    Cameron led and lost. Corbyn did not lead and lost. Both losers yesterday, but at least one of them tried.

    I doubt Labour - especially their MPs - are going to forgive Corbyn.
    Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsain - for the sake of tactical advantage and party management, he offered the electorate an option that he believes (rightly in my view) would do both Britain and the wider world lasting serious damage.

    Corbyn was simply inconveniently honest - yes, membership meant unlimited immigration, and we should try to make that positive.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,032
    Where's Nigel Lawson to tell us all to stop worrying.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,132

    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
    I don't see what Corbyn has done wrong, his honesty about the EU was one of the reasons I felt able to vote remain.
    He has generally been against the EU, yet felt compelled to campaign for remain for party reasons. He did so lacklusterly, and did not deliver the Labour vote.

    Conversely, Cameron fought for what he felt was right as hard as he could.

    Cameron led and lost. Corbyn did not lead and lost. Both losers yesterday, but at least one of them tried.

    I doubt Labour - especially their MPs - are going to forgive Corbyn.
    Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsain - for the sake of tactical advantage and party management, he offered the electorate an option that he believes (rightly in my view) would do both Britain and the wider world lasting serious damage.

    Corbyn was simply inconveniently honest - yes, membership meant unlimited immigration, and we should try to make that positive.
    "Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsai"

    No, that was Brown. You do remember his skulking signing of the Lisbon treaty?

    "he offered the electorate an option"

    I can understand why a loser such as yourself might not like democracy. I'm just glad he gave us a choice.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
    I don't see what Corbyn has done wrong, his honesty about the EU was one of the reasons I felt able to vote remain.
    He has generally been against the EU, yet felt compelled to campaign for remain for party reasons. He did so lacklusterly, and did not deliver the Labour vote.

    Conversely, Cameron fought for what he felt was right as hard as he could.

    Cameron led and lost. Corbyn did not lead and lost. Both losers yesterday, but at least one of them tried.

    I doubt Labour - especially their MPs - are going to forgive Corbyn.
    Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsain - for the sake of tactical advantage and party management, he offered the electorate an option that he believes (rightly in my view) would do both Britain and the wider world lasting serious damage.

    Corbyn was simply inconveniently honest - yes, membership meant unlimited immigration, and we should try to make that positive.
    "Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsai"

    No, that was Brown. You do remember his skulking signing of the Lisbon treaty?

    "he offered the electorate an option"

    I can understand why a loser such as yourself might not like democracy. I'm just glad he gave us a choice.
    I remember Nick Palmer sniggering when the treaty of Lisbon was ratified without a referendum, after Labour had undertook to hold a referendum on the treaty that was dropped but this replaced. Gordon Brown signed it when everyone else had gone, out of view.

    If we had had the referendum then, it is unlikely to have passed, and we wouldnt be having this one now.

    The demand for this referendum comes from that single act. Nick sniggered.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good God, what have we done.

    If Corbyn had any decency he would resign also. But he won't.

    Can we have a government of national unity with sensible MPs from both sides?
    I don't see what Corbyn has done wrong, his honesty about the EU was one of the reasons I felt able to vote remain.
    He has generally been against the EU, yet felt compelled to campaign for remain for party reasons. He did so lacklusterly, and did not deliver the Labour vote.

    Conversely, Cameron fought for what he felt was right as hard as he could.

    Cameron led and lost. Corbyn did not lead and lost. Both losers yesterday, but at least one of them tried.

    I doubt Labour - especially their MPs - are going to forgive Corbyn.
    Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsain - for the sake of tactical advantage and party management, he offered the electorate an option that he believes (rightly in my view) would do both Britain and the wider world lasting serious damage.

    Corbyn was simply inconveniently honest - yes, membership meant unlimited immigration, and we should try to make that positive.
    "Cameron is the most destructive, ineffective PM we've had since Chamberlsai"

    No, that was Brown. You do remember his skulking signing of the Lisbon treaty?

    "he offered the electorate an option"

    I can understand why a loser such as yourself might not like democracy. I'm just glad he gave us a choice.
    lol. i just typed the same thing!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,679
    Winner of polling - John harris bell weather co
  • John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553
    edited June 2016
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,679
    edited June 2016
    I see fasil Islam is pumping a narrative that labour didn't come out in their heartlands so leave won....when it was then opposite, all those northern towns turn out up & massive votes for leave.

    In Sunderland, Stoke, in wales etc etc etc they couldn't get to the polls fast enough to give junker the two fingers.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,800
    Congrats to the leave campaign. And thanks to this website- which convinced me leave was possible and helped me make a little money on it...

    Fingers crossed leavers know what they're doing!
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