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Even if we let him off the Cast Iron promise about Lisbon, and forget the pasty, there is the 10's of thousand for immigration, most of what we were told about the EU Renegation, pretty much all the bullshit fear stuff we have heard since he came back with his masterpiece, and that is before we get on to this sort of grip listBig_G_NorthWales said:
What has he lied aboutMikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nine-lies-david-cameron-told-6211553
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Memory can be a strange thing. Dave claimed to have eaten his pasty at Leeds railway station, but no pasty outlet is believed to have been there at the time. He travels a lot though, so perhaps it was somewhere else. Was there anywhere to buy a pasty at any British railway station during the decade preceding 2012 is what we need to establish.0
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In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.0 -
I dismissed him due to being 8 ! And Vics canvas due to being 13Barnesian said:
My place bet on Last Samurai covered my other bets and I ended slightly up. Exciting race!Pulpstar said:
Well if people will lump on top weight horses at shortish prices in heavy conditions...malcolmg said:
Must have been a great result for the bookies, they will be laughing all the way to the bank.Cyclefree said:
I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......malcolmg said:
I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.Pulpstar said:"Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)
So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.
Congratulations to all winners.
Rest pulled up/fell
Did anyone get the winner?
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People did and do anyway, I don't see that much has changed in that regard. Were it not for the internal Tory anger over EU position and tactics, I'd have no doubt he'd be perfectly safe if Remain win; as it is, his career is probably even more time limited than before even if Remain do win, but the very fact people are talking about a lie about a pasty and this latest stuff is I think a pretty good indication that while he's cocked up it's not, on its own without the EU stuff, as big a deal as people are saying, ascribing 'he has to go' because of it, but instead it may well just add to the cumulative weight of grievances that lead to his end, and a minor one at that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.0 -
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
European specialist shops are well worth browsing for those of us unafraid.0 -
I will cast the options the GOP has from Worst to least Worst.
Worst:
1. Person X
The GOP disintegrates, dissatisfies 90% of GOP voters.
2. Kasich
Both Trump and Cruz camps bolt off at least for this years election, dissatisfies 75% of GOP voters.
3. Cruz
Trump and his supporters bolt off at least for this years election, dissatisfies 55% of GOP voters.
4.Trump
The NeverTrumps bolt off at least for this years election, dissatisfies 35% of GOP voters.
All the options are bad and guarantees a GOP landslide defeat of various degrees for the Presidency, the Senate, and the House.
The GOP is badly split who ever gets the nomination:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
Of course the GOP is far from smart and logical, if they where they wouldn't have been in this no way out situation.
I think they will go for Cruz, and if he fails to get the nomination they will try the even worse options, and if even they fail they will try then the best option.
In my opinion Trump and Cruz should have the same odds somewhere in the 40's for the nomination, but the only sure bet is Winning Party: Democrats.0 -
You're serious? Over pastygate?MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.0 -
My wife chose Last Samurai because he was 8!. She was on at 14.5 to win and 5.8 for a place on Betfair. Following you, I was also on Aachen at 130 to win and laid him at 32 during the race when he was still in front.Pulpstar said:
I dismissed him due to being 8 ! And Vics canvas due to being 13Barnesian said:
My place bet on Last Samurai covered my other bets and I ended slightly up. Exciting race!Pulpstar said:
Well if people will lump on top weight horses at shortish prices in heavy conditions...malcolmg said:
Must have been a great result for the bookies, they will be laughing all the way to the bank.Cyclefree said:
I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......malcolmg said:
I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.Pulpstar said:"Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)
So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.
Congratulations to all winners.
Rest pulled up/fell
Did anyone get the winner?0 -
Errr... yesStark_Dawning said:Memory can be a strange thing. Dave claimed to have eaten his pasty at Leeds railway station, but no pasty outlet is believed to have been there at the time. He travels a lot though, so perhaps it was somewhere else. Was there anywhere to buy a pasty at any British railway station during the decade preceding 2012 is what we need to establish.
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Was there anything more hypocritical and ridiculous than Ed Balls, Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband going into Greggs and buying pasties? The look on Ed Miliband's face was priceless. He didn't have a clue.kle4 said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
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MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
This sheds some light on the mystery.
'He [Cameron] began to wax lyrical. "I think the last one I bought was from the West Cornwall Pasty Company. I seem to remember I was in Leeds station at the time and the choice was whether to have one of their small ones or one of their large ones. I have got a feeling I opted for the large one, and very good it was too."
But the West Cornwall Pasty Company outlet where he thought he enjoyed his last pasty closed two years ago. There was a Cornish Bakehouse booth at the station; that closed last week.'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/mar/29/pasty-row-david-cameron
In fairness, Dave does qualify his assertion that the station was Leeds. But the claim that he bought it from the West Country Pasty Company is on shakier ground. The existence of the Cornish Bakehouse might throw him a lifeline. Did it sell pasties? I would guess so being Cornish but can't be certain. Does anyone know?0 -
Not great.matt said:
By using that metric Pat Buchanan should have been the GOP nominee in 1996, Steve Forbes in 2000, Mike Huckabee in 2012 and Rick Santorum in 2016.
Under the modern primary system the runner-up from last time got the nomination only in 1980, 1988 and 2008 for the GOP.0 -
He completed the race and if they were facing the other way Druids Nephew would have won.0
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Salt cod, ling and herring have always been available in a diminishing number of Scottish outlets, though still pretty common in the Hebrides.foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
European specialist shops are well worth browsing for those of us unafraid.
Guga is a rarer salted delicacy, never managed to taste it myself.
http://tinyurl.com/h667gfq
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Oh the memories, remember this:Stark_Dawning said:MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
This sheds some light on the mystery.
'He [Cameron] began to wax lyrical. "I think the last one I bought was from the West Cornwall Pasty Company. I seem to remember I was in Leeds station at the time and the choice was whether to have one of their small ones or one of their large ones. I have got a feeling I opted for the large one, and very good it was too."
But the West Cornwall Pasty Company outlet where he thought he enjoyed his last pasty closed two years ago. There was a Cornish Bakehouse booth at the station; that closed last week.'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/mar/29/pasty-row-david-cameron
In fairness, Dave does qualify his assertion that the station was Leeds. But the claim that he bought it from the West Country Pasty Company is on shakier ground. The existence of the Cornish Bakehouse might throw him a lifeline. Did it sell pasties? I would guess so being Cornish but can't be certain. Does anyone know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgn6mttT0og0 -
Reality check.
Lies from PMs..
Brown "I have abolished Boom and Bust.".cost us hundreds of Billions of pounds.
Blair " I have seen incontrovertible proof that Saddam Hussein has WMD that he can deploy in 45 minutes" that one cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Cameron "I had a pasty on Leeds station"...cost about 3 quid.0 -
Thanks. That was my impression but the level of certainty that accompanied the assertion made me doubt myself.Speedy said:
Not great.matt said:
By using that metric Pat Buchanan should have been the GOP nominee in 1996, Steve Forbes in 2000, Mike Huckabee in 2012 and Rick Santorum in 2016.
Under the modern primary system the runner-up from last time got the nomination only in 1980, 1988 and 2008 for the GOP.0 -
For 2020 first of all we have to know if the GOP will survive 2016.matt said:
Thanks. That was my impression but the level of certainty that accompanied the assertion made me doubt myself.Speedy said:
Not great.matt said:
By using that metric Pat Buchanan should have been the GOP nominee in 1996, Steve Forbes in 2000, Mike Huckabee in 2012 and Rick Santorum in 2016.
Under the modern primary system the runner-up from last time got the nomination only in 1980, 1988 and 2008 for the GOP.
Hillary should be defeated in 2020 but only if the GOP manages to be intact, and for that it needs to satisfy as many as possible of it's militant Trump base in 2016 (the establishment voters will vote GOP in 2020 regardless of whether Trump is the 2016 nominee).0 -
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.kle4 said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.0 -
There was someone on TV this morning saying that it was no wonder Cameron had given up PR for politics; he was obviously no good at PR.0
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Wow, someome who thinks Blair was competent.DecrepitJohnL said:
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.kle4 said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
Don't see many of those !0 -
Blair was fine until he got tied up with that Texan eejit.Alanbrooke said:
Wow, someome who thinks Blair was competent.DecrepitJohnL said:
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.kle4 said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?MikeK said:
In that event Cameron said that he had been in a well known establishment, loved the the establishment and it's famous pasties - I think it was in a large railway station. However, it soon became evident that he had never even heard of the place let alone visit it. He wanted show that he was a man of the people, so he lied to prove it. Pastygate, though not earth shattering, showed the kind of man Cammo was and is. I've marked him since then.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
Don't see many of those !
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No-one cared about Blair's luxury holidays. There is no need for Cameron to slum it on Easyjet.Alanbrooke said:
Wow, someome who thinks Blair was competent.DecrepitJohnL said:
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.kle4 said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
Don't see many of those !0 -
The whole pasty thing was just embarassing all round. Dave mis-remembering at which station he last had one, while Ed was instructed to visit a Greggs, to which the reply will have come "Who is Greg? Should I know him? "...0
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Equally embarrassing were the middle-class ciabatta-munching journalists who claimed that Greggs was the happy climax of many a family outing, when in reality they'd never dream of feeding that cr*p to their kids and would laugh and sneer at those who did.FrancisUrquhart said:The whole pasty thing was just embarassing all round. Dave mis-remembering at which station he last had one, while Ed was instructed to visit a Greggs, to which the reply will have come "Who is Greg? Should I know him? "...
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Strange isn't it...Harmonizing taxes on things like pasties were a terrible thing for the poor. Putting a tax on sugary drinks is a good thing....Stark_Dawning said:
Equally embarrassing were the middle-class ciabatta-munching journalists who claimed that Greggs was the happy climax of many a family outing, when in reality they'd never dream of feeding that cr*p to their kids and would laugh and sneer at those who did.FrancisUrquhart said:The whole pasty thing was just embarassing all round. Dave mis-remembering at which station he last had one, while Ed was instructed to visit a Greggs, to which the reply will have come "Who is Greg? Should I know him? "...
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PastyStunt proved more hazardous than PastyGate for the now ex party leader and the exMP.FrancisUrquhart said:The whole pasty thing was just embarassing all round. Dave mis-remembering at which station he last had one, while Ed was instructed to visit a Greggs, to which the reply will have come "Who is Greg? Should I know him? "...
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Cruz will not be the GOP candidate in 2020. I feel pretty sure on this prediction.Speedy said:
For 2020 first of all we have to know if the GOP will survive 2016.matt said:
Thanks. That was my impression but the level of certainty that accompanied the assertion made me doubt myself.Speedy said:
Not great.matt said:
By using that metric Pat Buchanan should have been the GOP nominee in 1996, Steve Forbes in 2000, Mike Huckabee in 2012 and Rick Santorum in 2016.
Under the modern primary system the runner-up from last time got the nomination only in 1980, 1988 and 2008 for the GOP.
Hillary should be defeated in 2020 but only if the GOP manages to be intact, and for that it needs to satisfy as many as possible of it's militant Trump base in 2016 (the establishment voters will vote GOP in 2020 regardless of whether Trump is the 2016 nominee).0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
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No, it is better. Try Cod and Chips Portuguese style (a.k.a. Bacalhau à Brás).0 -
Of course there isn't but the fact that Cameron does it anyway says rather a lot about him and, perhaps, what he thinks other people think is important.DecrepitJohnL said:
No-one cared about Blair's luxury holidays. There is no need for Cameron to slum it on Easyjet.Alanbrooke said:
Wow, someome who thinks Blair was competent.DecrepitJohnL said:
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.kle4 said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
Don't see many of those !0 -
Once Cameron commented on Jimmy Carr's tax affairs he made it clear that tax was not a personal matter.LadyBucket said:I know it's an understatement to say the PM has handled this badly. He was right the first time, that this was a private matter and should have left it there for his accusers to provide the evidence.
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Do you know if one can get in Madeira?HurstLlama said:foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
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No, it is better. Try Cod and Chips Portuguese style (a.k.a. Bacalhau à Brás).0 -
OldKingCole said:
No he was total shit.Alanbrooke said:
Blair was fine until he got tied up with that Texan eejit.DecrepitJohnL said:
Wow, someome who thinks Blair was competent.kle4 said:
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.MikeK said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evarked him since then.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
Don't see many of those !
Most of our current problems go back to his premiership.0 -
Wait, I thought it was Thatcher's fault?Alanbrooke said:
No he was total shit.OldKingCole said:
Blair was fine until he got tied up with that Texan eejit.
Most of our current problems go back to his premiership.
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Hillary CLinton has won Laramie county (Biggest one in Wyoming)
#Wyomingcaucus
#Imwithher
#Bernstersburnt0 -
Not the Man from Laramie, then!Pulpstar said:Hillary CLinton has won Laramie county (Biggest one in Wyoming)
#Wyomingcaucus
#Imwithher
#Bernstersburnt0 -
Are BSE having a laugh?
Straight after scooping £9 million for their leaflet.
Britain Stronger in Europe, the main campaign pressing for a Remain vote in June, said today that Vote Leave will be “indulging in hypocritical point-scoring” unless it waives the right to a taxpayer-funded mailshot and £600,000 of public funding.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/73619/pro-eu-campaign-challenges-vote-leave-reject-all0 -
Bernie had a huge in room advantage, but Hillary won by "surrogates"...OldKingCole said:
Not the Man from Laramie, then!Pulpstar said:Hillary CLinton has won Laramie county (Biggest one in Wyoming)
#Wyomingcaucus
#Imwithher
#Bernstersburnt0 -
Alanbrooke said:
He should have implemented the Jenkins Electoral Reform package, of course. Prescott blocked it, though.OldKingCole said:
No he was total shit.Alanbrooke said:
Blair was fine until he got tied up with that Texan eejit.DecrepitJohnL said:
Wow, someome who thinks Blair was competent.kle4 said:
Tony Blair was annually seen taking luxury holidays (often freebies from rich mates). Rather than learn the obvious lesson from that -- voters don't care -- David Cameron chooses to pretend he is struggling to cope on the national living wage, eats pasties and watches West Ham or Aston Villa or some other team in claret and blue. It only matters because David Cameron thinks it does. Voters don't want the PM to be just like them: they want someone who can make a decent fist of running the country.MikeK said:
You're serious? Over pastygate?Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evarked him since then.MikeK said:
@Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.MonikerDiCanio said:
Thou shalt not get caught.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
Politicians are desperate to appear like they are normal and I have no doubt many pretend to be so in myriad ways. Lying about eating a pasty is a sad way to do it, but is more desperate than anything more nefarious.
Don't see many of those !
Most of our current problems go back to his premiership.0 -
Hmm. Have you got a link to that, please?Pulpstar said:
Bernie had a huge in room advantage, but Hillary won by "surrogates"...OldKingCole said:
Not the Man from Laramie, then!Pulpstar said:Hillary CLinton has won Laramie county (Biggest one in Wyoming)
#Wyomingcaucus
#Imwithher
#Bernstersburnt0 -
http://www.crowdsourcingdemocracy.org/results.html Live results.
Bernie's target according to my model is 71% in Wyoming, and I expected him to crush it fairly easily - so those results look relatively good for Hillary.0 -
Totally ignorant as to the demographics, so can't offer a comment. Quite a lot of counties still to report, though.Pulpstar said:http://www.crowdsourcingdemocracy.org/results.html Live results.
Bernie's target according to my model is 71% in Wyoming, and I expected him to crush it fairly easily - so those results look relatively good for Hillary.0 -
If only Thailand, Japan and India would join the EU... then we'd be easily able to buy the ingredients to try their specialist dishes at home. Might be a bit scary for us xenophobic Leavers, though.foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
European specialist shops are well worth browsing for those of us unafraid.
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Great story from after the Grand National
And just to emphasise Mullins’s junior status, he immediately had to go and get on another horse for the final race of the day. The race in question was restricted to amateur and conditional (for which read “apprentice”) jockeys – scheduling that was deliberately intended to avoid a need for the National-winning jockey to go back out again minutes after achieving his moment of greatest glory.0 -
If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot, he's probably done. He has belatedly hired a convention manager - Paul Manafort - but his campaign didn't anticipate an open convention.
Meanwhile Cruz - who unlike Trump has a fantastic ground campaign - is quietly getting shedloads of delegates to commit from the second ballot onwards.
Trump is a babe in arms compared to Cruz when the elbowing starts at the convention.
Also the Rules committee has not been seated yet and will not be until the primary voting is over. Who knows what rule changes they will vote on.
This may be very ugly indeed.0 -
I was actually intending to ask David H (or anybody with good knowledge about US politics) about this.Speedy said:For 2020 first of all we have to know if the GOP will survive 2016.
The GOP is in a serious, serious hole right now. It's ripping itself to pieces in a way that makes one wonder whether the planets that hold its current political coalition together are losing all hope of realignment, and the whole orrery is undergoing a celestial breakdown.
Are there serious moves underway (possibly backstage in the modern equivalent of "smoke-filled rooms", and quite probably involving big donors and philosophical heavyweights, rather than the party's frontline politico cadres) to sort out the party's deep structural and ideological issues? At the moment they seem nowhere even near finding a sticking plaster.
Moreover, do fears - maybe even existential fears, by this stage - about preserving the fabric of the party cloud high-level decision-making over, say, Trump and Ryan?0 -
I don't know about you xenophobic leavers but this leaver has no problem in buying authentic ingredients to make Thai, Indian and Chinese dishes at home and the local Tesco has shelves full of Japanese stuff, though I have never tried any of them.LucyJones said:
If only Thailand, Japan and India would join the EU... then we'd be easily able to buy the ingredients to try their specialist dishes at home. Might be a bit scary for us xenophobic Leavers, though.foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
European specialist shops are well worth browsing for those of us unafraid.0 -
I don't, but if you see it on the menu then I suggest you whistle up a bottle or two of Vinho Verde and get stuck in.OldKingCole said:
Do you know if one can get in Madeira?HurstLlama said:foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.
Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
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No, it is better. Try Cod and Chips Portuguese style (a.k.a. Bacalhau à Brás).0 -
You only get rabies from margarine made from dead dogs. Actually some margarine tastes as if it was.SeanT said:
Hah. I'm now convinced that whatever tastes good is basically good for you, IN MODERATION.MTimT said:Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:
http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor
As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
It makes Darwinian sense. Butter tastes better than margarine, by a great distance. Relatedly, we now find that margarine probably gives you lung cancer, or tertiary syphilis, or rabies.
Conclusion? Eat butter. But in MODERATION.0 -
Some of the others will have 1 man and their dog at them. Big Horn had 38 caucus goers on the GOP sideOldKingCole said:
Totally ignorant as to the demographics, so can't offer a comment. Quite a lot of counties still to report, though.Pulpstar said:http://www.crowdsourcingdemocracy.org/results.html Live results.
Bernie's target according to my model is 71% in Wyoming, and I expected him to crush it fairly easily - so those results look relatively good for Hillary.0 -
Friend of a friend was suffering a dilemma this lunch time.
They had made a slightly ludicrous 3 bet £10 accumulator the first two of which had come in
Lewis Hamilton to win 2015 Championship 10/11
Machester City to win Capitol Cup 7/1
He's now got a cash-out option as the third bet still isn't settled
Leicester City win Premiership 5000/1
Cashout value is around £550000
Winnings of whole accumulator if it comes in £840168
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Bet365 have £250,000 max payout on Formula 1 even if it's part of a multiple iirc.Alistair said:Friend of a friend was suffering a dilemma this lunch time.
They had made a slightly ludicrous 3 bet £10 accumulator the first two of which had come in
Lewis Hamilton to win 2015 Championship 10/11
Machester City to win Capitol Cup 7/1
He's now got a cash-out option as the third bet still isn't settled
Leicester City win Premiership 5000/1
Cashout value is around £550000
Winnings of whole accumulator if it comes in £840168
What do you do?0 -
There's a Thai festival this weekend, it being (almost) their New Year, aka Songkran, somewhere in Wimbledon. There, I'm reliably informed, one will be able to buy all sorts of Thai food. My informant and I were discussing how to get there, and when I said that train/tube was the best option, was told that it would be necessary to have a car to bring everything back.HurstLlama said:
I don't know about you xenophobic leavers but this leaver has no problem in buying authentic ingredients to make Thai, Indian and Chinese dishes at home and the local Tesco has shelves full of Japanese stuff, though I have never tried any of them.LucyJones said:
If only Thailand, Japan and India would join the EU... then we'd be easily able to buy the ingredients to try their specialist dishes at home. Might be a bit scary for us xenophobic Leavers, though.foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
European specialist shops are well worth browsing for those of us unafraid.
Before you ask, SeanT, no water will be thrown, and there'll be no girls in wet tee-shirts.
Oh, and Mr L, I shall bear your advice in mind.0 -
Let it ride.Alistair said:Friend of a friend was suffering a dilemma this lunch time.
They had made a slightly ludicrous 3 bet £10 accumulator the first two of which had come in
Lewis Hamilton to win 2015 Championship 10/11
Machester City to win Capitol Cup 7/1
He's now got a cash-out option as the third bet still isn't settled
Leicester City win Premiership 5000/1
Cashout value is around £550000
Winnings of whole accumulator if it comes in £840168
What do you do?0 -
Fine point, well made.Pulpstar said:
Bet365 have £250,000 max payout on Formula 1 even if it's part of a multiple iirc.Alistair said:Friend of a friend was suffering a dilemma this lunch time.
They had made a slightly ludicrous 3 bet £10 accumulator the first two of which had come in
Lewis Hamilton to win 2015 Championship 10/11
Machester City to win Capitol Cup 7/1
He's now got a cash-out option as the third bet still isn't settled
Leicester City win Premiership 5000/1
Cashout value is around £550000
Winnings of whole accumulator if it comes in £840168
What do you do?
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big hedge on betfair?0
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Dangerous with Bet365 maxpayout rules.initforthemoney said:big hedge on betfair?
Cashout might be the way to go here.0 -
certainly if they are offering more than their max payout!0
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Yeah, depending on the T&C's of the cashout you may be guaranteeing yourself the max £250,000 pay out risk free.Pulpstar said:
Dangerous with Bet365 maxpayout rules.initforthemoney said:big hedge on betfair?
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I agreeSeanT said:
Hah. I'm now convinced that whatever tastes good is basically good for you, IN MODERATION.MTimT said:Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:
http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor
As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
It makes Darwinian sense. Butter tastes better than margarine, by a great distance. Relatedly, we now find that margarine probably gives you lung cancer, or tertiary syphilis, or rabies.
Conclusion? Eat butter. But in MODERATION.0 -
The cashout might actually get round the max payout rules !Alistair said:
Yeah, depending on the T&C's of the cashout you may be guaranteeing yourself the max £250,000 pay out risk free.Pulpstar said:
Dangerous with Bet365 maxpayout rules.initforthemoney said:big hedge on betfair?
Cashout might be the way to go here.
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Had a great time at the Khon Kaen Songkran festival 4 yearsago. Superb carnival.SeanT said:
Songkran is a nightmare, in Thailand. Five days of forced jollity/insanity. Most expats I know leave Bangkok for the duration. Eye infections proliferate from the water-throwing. Road deaths quadruple from the drunkenness.OldKingCole said:
There's a Thai festival this weekend, it being (almost) their New Year, aka Songkran, somewhere in Wimbledon. There, I'm reliably informed, one will be able to buy all sorts of Thai food. My informant and I were discussing how to get there, and when I said that train/tube was the best option, was told that it would be necessary to have a car to bring everything back.HurstLlama said:
I don't know about you xenophobic leavers but this leaver has no problem in buying authentic ingredients to make Thai, Indian and Chinese dishes at home and the local Tesco has shelves full of Japanese stuff, though I have never tried any of them.LucyJones said:
If only Thailand, Japan and India would join the EU... then we'd be easily able to buy the ingredients to try their specialist dishes at home. Might be a bit scary for us xenophobic Leavers, though.foxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is not cod as we know it.Moses_ said:
Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever againfoxinsoxuk said:
Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.NickPalmer said:
Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.HurstLlama said:
Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
FFS......
European specialist shops are well worth browsing for those of us unafraid.
Before you ask, SeanT, no water will be thrown, and there'll be no girls in wet tee-shirts.
Oh, and Mr L, I shall bear your advice in mind.
And met quite of expats when we were in BKK two years ago.0 -
PBModerator said:
I agreeSeanT said:
Hah. I'm now convinced that whatever tastes good is basically good for you, IN MODERATION.MTimT said:Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:
http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor
As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
It makes Darwinian sense. Butter tastes better than margarine, by a great distance. Relatedly, we now find that margarine probably gives you lung cancer, or tertiary syphilis, or rabies.
Conclusion? Eat butter. But in MODERATION.
LOL. Moderator thinks you should eat in moderation.
Very good.
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Question re max payout rules re accas.
If a potential bet payout exceeds the bookies t&c's
Should the stake not be limited at the time?
It seems somewhat unfair accepting a stake knowing that potential payout will never be made if it comes in.
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Oh you...PBModerator said:
I agreeSeanT said:
Hah. I'm now convinced that whatever tastes good is basically good for you, IN MODERATION.MTimT said:Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:
http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor
As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
It makes Darwinian sense. Butter tastes better than margarine, by a great distance. Relatedly, we now find that margarine probably gives you lung cancer, or tertiary syphilis, or rabies.
Conclusion? Eat butter. But in MODERATION.0 -
You should start drinking furniture polish - that way whatever the way of your passing you'll have a lovely finishSeanT said:
Ah, but if only I could apply my advice to enjoy things IN MODERATION to my own life. I drink a bottle or a bottle and a half of red wine every night, almost without fail. I have regular and risky sex with multiple different partners.PBModerator said:
I agreeSeanT said:
Hah. I'm now convinced that whatever tastes good is basically good for you, IN MODERATION.MTimT said:Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:
http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor
As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
It makes Darwinian sense. Butter tastes better than margarine, by a great distance. Relatedly, we now find that margarine probably gives you lung cancer, or tertiary syphilis, or rabies.
Conclusion? Eat butter. But in MODERATION.
If I make it to 70 - or 80! - I will donate my remains to science. But this longevity is unlikely, I feel.
Ah well. So it goes.
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Sicario - what do ppl see in it?
Worst. Film. Ever.
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It once took me a few seconds to realise why a supermarket had a sign designating a whole aisle as selling polish, which I thought would come under household cleaning.Tim_B said:
You should start drinking furniture polish - that way whatever the way of your passing you'll have a lovely finishSeanT said:
Ah, but if only I could apply my advice to enjoy things IN MODERATION to my own life. I drink a bottle or a bottle and a half of red wine every night, almost without fail. I have regular and risky sex with multiple different partners.PBModerator said:
I agreeSeanT said:
Hah. I'm now convinced that whatever tastes good is basically good for you, IN MODERATION.MTimT said:Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:
http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor
As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
It makes Darwinian sense. Butter tastes better than margarine, by a great distance. Relatedly, we now find that margarine probably gives you lung cancer, or tertiary syphilis, or rabies.
Conclusion? Eat butter. But in MODERATION.
If I make it to 70 - or 80! - I will donate my remains to science. But this longevity is unlikely, I feel.
Ah well. So it goes.0 -
sounds like BlackhatMarkHopkins said:Sicario - what do ppl see in it?
Worst. Film. Ever.0 -
MarkHopkins said:
Sicario - what do ppl see in it?
Worst. Film. Ever.
On the review aggregator website, Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 93%, based on 221 reviews, with an average rating of 8/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "Led by outstanding work from Emily Blunt and Benicio del Toro, Sicario is a taut, tightly wound thriller with much more on its mind than attention-getting set pieces."[28] On Metacritic, the film has a weighted average score of 81 out of 100, based on 41 critics, indicating "universal acclaim".[29] On CinemaScore, audiences gave the film an average grade of "A−" on an A+ to F scale.[26]
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In one of John le Carré's novels he has a character "launder lawyers", whereby a law firm instructs another law firm without telling them the identity of their client.perdix said:
....."list of lawyers"..... An excellent idea. More trouble is caused these days by lawyers than by politicians.John_N said:
Don't let's make this complicated. These places aren't independent. Britain is responsible for their external relations, which includes anything to do with offshore finance. The final court of appeal for the crown dependencies and the overseas territories is the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, which has exactly the same membership as the Supreme Court.
It's unfortunate that neither the Supreme Court nor the JCPC publishes on its website the qualifications of any of its members to act in other jurisdictions than England and Wales. (Obviously they are qualified by dint of their role in those two courts, but I mean any background as members of say the Bermudan Bar Association.)
I'd rather like there to be a nice list online of which barristers in Britain are also qualified in the jurisdictions of Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Jersey, etc.
There's practically no money-laundering without a lawyer being involved.
Meanwhile, here is a list of the "Magic Circle" law firms, the top firms headquartered in London:
Allen & Overy
Clifford Chance
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer
Linklaters
Slaughter and May
And here is the list suggested by Legal Business magazine of the "Offshore Magic Circle" law firms, the top firms handling offshore business in the global British network. (I think this means the top firms handling such business inside that network but outside Britain itself, but I'm not sure. London remains a major offshore and money-laundering centre. Smaller, apparently, than the Cayman Islands or the Channel Islands, but still.)
Appleby
Bedell Cristin
Carey Olsen
Conyers
Harneys
Maples
Mourant Ozannes
Ogier
Walkers
Those nine employ more than 1500 lawyers.
There's no overlap between the two lists. Which is doubtless convenient for some.0 -
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Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkHopkins said:
Sicario - what do ppl see in it?
Worst. Film. Ever.
On the review aggregator website, Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 93%, based on 221 reviews, with an average rating of 8/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "Led by outstanding work from Emily Blunt and Benicio del Toro, Sicario is a taut, tightly wound thriller with much more on its mind than attention-getting set pieces."[28] On Metacritic, the film has a weighted average score of 81 out of 100, based on 41 critics, indicating "universal acclaim".[29] On CinemaScore, audiences gave the film an average grade of "A−" on an A+ to F scale.[26]
I stand by my statement.
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Update on a calculation I made a couple of weeks ago, implied odds for the winner of brokered convention based on PredictIt price for (1) brokered convention (currently 69%) and (2) the individual odds. Assumed of the 31% for non-brokered convention, 30% for Trump reaching 1237, 1% for Cruz.
So, the brokered convention implied odds:
Trump 22% (-3 since 17/3)
Cruz 41% (+14)
Ryan 16% (+3)
Kasich 14% (-5)
Rubio 3% (in amongst others last time out)
Romney 3% (-5)
Note that PredictIt's nomination percentages are somewhat different from Betfair's above, but wanted to source brokered convention odds and candidate odds from the same source and Betfair aren't carrying brokered convention odds as far as I can see.0 -
You're wrong. It's not a good film, but it is leagues better than SPECTRE which has a much stronger claim to that titleMarkHopkins said:Sicario - what do ppl see in it?
Worst. Film. Ever.0 -
Mail giving Cameron a kicking.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/718905350221651968
Another media group with complex financial arrangements and off shore trusts, unless I'm very much mistaken.0 -
This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.0
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Barclay brothers casting a stone, aren't they Jersey based? For a former PR man, David Cameron seems to be slow to close down the story. His team aren't heirs to Alistair Campbell.0
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Astonishing how modest the sums are re Cameron's inheritance.
These sort of numbers occur every day of the week, especially in the South.
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Of course there's no overlap, they do different things. They all do extensive client due diligence though. Still I'm sure you'll find sone more shit to fling, like some simpleton baboon.John_N said:
In one of John le Carré's novels he has a character "launder lawyers", whereby a law firm instructs another law firm without telling them the identity of their client.perdix said:
....."list of lawyers"..... An excellent idea. More trouble is caused these days by lawyers than by politicians.John_N said:
Don't let's make this complicated. These places aren't independent. Britain is responsible for their external relations, which includes anything to do with offshore finance. The final court of appeal for the crown dependencies and the overseas territories is the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, which has exactly the same membership as the Supreme Court.
It's unfortunate that neither the Supreme Court nor the JCPC publishes on its website the qualifications of any of its members to act in other jurisdictions than England and Wales. (Obviously they are qualified by dint of their role in those two courts, but I mean any background as members of say the Bermudan Bar Association.)
I'd rather like there to be a nice list online of which barristers in Britain are also qualified in the jurisdictions of Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Jersey, etc.
There's practically no money-laundering without a lawyer being involved.
Meanwhile, here is a list of the "Magic Circle" law firms, the top firms headquartered in London:
Allen & Overy
Clifford Chance
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer
Linklaters
Slaughter and May
And here is the list suggested by Legal Business magazine of the "Offshore Magic Circle" law firms, the top firms handling offshore business in the global British network. (I think this means the top firms handling such business inside that network but outside Britain itself, but I'm not sure. London remains a major offshore and money-laundering centre. Smaller, apparently, than the Cayman Islands or the Channel Islands, but still.)
Appleby
Bedell Cristin
Carey Olsen
Conyers
Harneys
Maples
Mourant Ozannes
Ogier
Walkers
Those nine employ more than 1500 lawyers.
There's no overlap between the two lists. Which is doubtless convenient for some.0 -
@foxinsox
"For those afraid to browse European stores? "
Don't need to do that as I spend most of my time working across Europe and have done for years.
By the way I had the salted cod when working out of Akureyri in Iceland. I also had this in Ilulissat in Greenland. Personally it's not really to my taste but hey!
The Icelandic dish of smoked puffin and whale meat was certainly different. Not for the feint hearted I fear though or those non adventurous types.0 -
"The Shares are assets situated outside the United Kingdom for the purposes of United Kingdom inheritance tax. A liability to United Kingdom inheritance tax may arise in respect of gifts by, or on the death of, individuals domiciled, or deemed to be domiciled, in the United Kingdom."FrancisUrquhart said:This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.
From the prospectus of 2006.0 -
The bottom right story (or at least the headline so I assume the story) is probably the most relevant one.dr_spyn said:Mail giving Cameron a kicking.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/718905350221651968
Another media group with complex financial arrangements and off shore trusts, unless I'm very much mistaken.0 -
I was quite taken by a Frank Booth post yesterday about Cameron, a poster whom I rate very highly.
I have been converted to Cameron of late, and was not to be dissuaded by the Panama thing. But today, the stuff he said about his dad. Please. Cameron cannot be incredibly proud that his dad's career was spent in making money for rich people. Maybe, he could be proud that his dad was good at his job, was a clever man, was a good father...but not in his choice of career.
Possibly Frank is right, and Cameron is nothing more than a cynical little shit who doesn't believe in anything really other than himself.
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Scott_P said:
You're wrong. It's not a good film, but it is leagues better than SPECTRE which has a much stronger claim to that titleMarkHopkins said:Sicario - what do ppl see in it?
Worst. Film. Ever.
Spectre was a parody of Austin Powers.
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Yeah, but it's not really about Cameron's financial or tax arrangements per se is it? The "game" is "Get Cameron". Destroy him and his public standing because he is by far REMAINS greatest asset.RodCrosby said:Astonishing how modest the sums are re Cameron's inheritance.
These sort of numbers occur every day of the week, especially in the South.
Massive hysteria over nothing...
It's a shame it's come to this but Cameron's brought most of it on himself with his silly EU non-negotiation and everything he's done and said since "The Deal".0 -
Agree 100% with you.FrancisUrquhart said:This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.
It shows how the Brexit referendum is skewing the debate.0 -
@iainjwatson: The key details from David Cameron's recent tax returns will be broadcast @BBCRadio4 News at midnight and available @BBCNews online0
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It's a shame the papers won't turn their fire on Osborne... Despite everything I still like Cameron really and I'm sorry to see his late Father tarnished this way.
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Tens or thousands of people gift their property to their children to avoid tax - the mail and telegraph are a disgraceHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Agree 100% with you.FrancisUrquhart said:This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.
It shows how the Brexit referendum is skewing the debate.0 -
@matt You might be right on that, given the use of trusts and off shore accounts by media groups and some of their key figures there is a degree of hypocrisy. Blair's shredded expenses ought to have damaged him, had the media decided to go after him.
I wasn't convinced that Darling, Ussher, and other Treasury Ministers were acting wholly above board when it came to expense claims against taxes during the last Labour government.
Cameron does need a better team to play the 24 hour media operation.0 -
While I still like him and am finding a lot of the stuff lately overblown (and when it comes to his EU tactics, ineffective as I hope they will prove and stupid they may well be, a lot of the complaints are so tinged with astonished hurt that it is just plain comical), I would have to agree with the sentiment that he has lost the press, who if Remain win the rightwing part at least will, from the salvoes fired, do all they can to keep the anti-Cameron fervour that has emerged among some Tories going.SeanT said:
He really HAS lost most of the rightwing press, tho, and thereby, most of the press, in toto.dr_spyn said:Mail giving Cameron a kicking.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/718905350221651968
Another media group with complex financial arrangements and off shore trusts, unless I'm very much mistaken.
He will still likely win his referendum, but after that they will take their revenge. Post-vote Cameron will depart, quickly, and with a sense of serious disgrace. Enough of this lying Etonian twat.
I shall have to do more reading on this, as from the splash page it seems the story is that Cameron is from a rich family, and like rich people do that family took steps to maximise its wealth. I assume there's more to it than that.0 -
Is that the party line or did you think of that all by yourself?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tens or thousands of people gift their property to their children to avoid tax - the mail and telegraph are a disgraceHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Agree 100% with you.FrancisUrquhart said:This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.
It shows how the Brexit referendum is skewing the debate.0 -
Dont forget that darling charged the tax payer for tax efficiency advice on his own personal income.dr_spyn said:@matt You might be right on that, given the use of trusts and off shore accounts by media groups and some of their key figures there is a degree of hypocrisy. Blair's shredded expenses ought to have damaged him, had the media decided to go after him.
I wasn't convinced that Darling, Ussher, and other Treasury Ministers were acting wholly above board when it came to expense claims against taxes during the last Labour government.
Cameron does need a better team to play the 24 hour media operation.0 -
It worked for Wilson, but they should have realized we live in vastly less reverential times and people can't be fooled into thinking a non-deal is some huge act of reform.SeanT said:
Yes. The DEAL is all. With that one big fat lie, Cameron sowed the seeds of his own self destruction. It was the act of a very very lazy and arrogant man, at best.GIN1138 said:
Yeah, but it's not really about Cameron's financial or tax arrangements per se is it? The "game" is "Get Cameron". Destroy him and his public standing because he is by far REMAINS greatest asset.RodCrosby said:Astonishing how modest the sums are re Cameron's inheritance.
These sort of numbers occur every day of the week, especially in the South.
Massive hysteria over nothing...
It's a shame it's come to this but Cameron's brought most of it on himself with his silly EU non-negotiation and everything he's done and said since "The Deal".
I've still got a feeling this whole episode could be Cameron and the Conservatives Iraq. Sure, Cameron probably will win his referendum but it's likely to be at such a high price to him and his party that in the end it would have been better if he'd lost.
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SeanT said:
Yes. The DEAL is all. With that one big fat lie, Cameron sowed the seeds of his own self destruction. It was the act of a very very lazy and arrogant man, at best.GIN1138 said:
Yeah, but it's not really about Cameron's financial or tax arrangements per se is it? The "game" is "Get Cameron". Destroy him and his public standing because he is by far REMAINS greatest asset.RodCrosby said:Astonishing how modest the sums are re Cameron's inheritance.
These sort of numbers occur every day of the week, especially in the South.
Massive hysteria over nothing...
It's a shame it's come to this but Cameron's brought most of it on himself with his silly EU non-negotiation and everything he's done and said since "The Deal".
I thought he did it to support George "support Leave or have a career" Osborne.
Ironic.
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Therefore people like the Camerons, domiciled (and deemed-domiciled) in the UK could derive no IHT benefit...dr_spyn said:
"The Shares are assets situated outside the United Kingdom for the purposes of United Kingdom inheritance tax. A liability to United Kingdom inheritance tax may arise in respect of gifts by, or on the death of, individuals domiciled, or deemed to be domiciled, in the United Kingdom."FrancisUrquhart said:This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.
From the prospectus of 2006.
The shares' situs is irrelevant, since IHT is payable on all worldwide assets, for the UK-domiciled.0 -
No - again you use insults when you do not know that in 40 years in my work I evidenced many thousand of people using this perfectly legitimate process to either mitigate nursing home fees or death duties. You really do not understand tax planning do younigel4england said:
Is that the party line or did you think of that all by yourself?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tens or thousands of people gift their property to their children to avoid tax - the mail and telegraph are a disgraceHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Agree 100% with you.FrancisUrquhart said:This is getting stupid now..headlines of Cameron tax dodge when his mum has gifted him money which is laid out in the tax rules & requires his mum to live for I believe 7 years. There is nothing "dodgy", abnormal or tax avoidance-y about it.
It shows how the Brexit referendum is skewing the debate.0
