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edited April 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Republican dilemma: Would dumping Trump be worth the hassle?

It is something of an irony that after months of saying outrageous things and winning more and more support off the back of it, Trump’s downfall might well be due to a sensible answer. There is, after all, nothing unusual or wrong in the principle that people who break the law should be punished.

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,451
    I think Trump has to be allowed to get the nomination (and fail in the Presidential election) to allow the GOP to have a good chance in 2020.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Another irony is that Trump's downfall might come from taking a hard line on abortion when Cruz and even Kasich are more extreme on that issue.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    No.. Trump would either stand as an independent, of if not able to, would spend a lot of money putting the boot into the GOP and whoever got the nomination. They are going to lose with Trump, and lose badly with Cruz or Ryan, what's the point of stirring up trouble.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Jimmy Savile may have had a vasectomy, so that he could rape women without risking making them pregnant, a harrowing new BBC documentary will suggest.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/08/jimmy-savile-had-vasectomy-to-avoid-impregnating-victims/
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016
    Apropos Polly "misogynist motif of the patriarchal social order" Toynbee, she wasn't too happy about the Telegraph looking into her financial affairs, but seems to feel that everyone else should publish their tax returns.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8739482/Polly-Toynbee-finally-admits-what-she-earns.html
    Incidentally, I recall how, when I first telephoned her home to inquire about her total incomings, David Walker, her other half, answered the phone and told me that she was too busy putting "her children to bed'' to talk to me. This seemed odd. It was only 6.30pm and Miss Toynbee's youngest child was then 21.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016
    Indigo said:

    Apropos Polly "misogynist motif of the patriarchal social order" Toynbee, she wasn't too happy about the Telegraph looking into her financial affairs, but seems to feel that everyone else should publish their tax returns.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8739482/Polly-Toynbee-finally-admits-what-she-earns.html

    Incidentally, I recall how, when I first telephoned her home to inquire about her total incomings, David Walker, her other half, answered the phone and told me that she was too busy putting "her children to bed'' to talk to me. This seemed odd. It was only 6.30pm and Miss Toynbee's youngest child was then 21.
    There is no way her income is "just" £100k a year. The idiot auto-cuties at the BBC get that. With her Guardian column, all the media appearnces etc etc etc, I would think £100k is just the Guardian salary and all the other stuff probably goes through a service company.

    It is laughable as Kevin Muckguire man of the people act. Giving it the whole bloody poshos, having not gone to normal schools, etc etc etc....before returning to home to the posho wife.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Another irony is that Trump's downfall might come from taking a hard line on abortion when Cruz and even Kasich are more extreme on that issue.

    He line was somewhat misreported in any case. As I recall it he said should abortion be made illegal there should obviously be a punishment for people that obtained one. For some reason the idea of punishing people for breaking the law is seen as extreme.
  • JenSJenS Posts: 91
    The reason to dump Trump is to keep the Republican downticket lock on Supreme Court nominations during a Democrat presidency.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    We will know after 15th April if Trump will win the nomination. I'm still betting he will.
    There was upward movement for "The Donald", all through yesterday evening and last night.
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    I really can't see the logic in picking Kasich. Better to pick someone who at least hasn't been conclusively rejected in the primaries, like Ryan, if you're going for someone other than Trump or Cruz. Unless Kasich can do well right at the end of the primaries and create a more favourable narrative, anyway.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,896
    edited April 2016
    Indigo said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Another irony is that Trump's downfall might come from taking a hard line on abortion when Cruz and even Kasich are more extreme on that issue.

    He line was somewhat misreported in any case. As I recall it he said should abortion be made illegal there should obviously be a punishment for people that obtained one. For some reason the idea of punishing people for breaking the law is seen as extreme.
    That situation applies in N Ireland doesn’t it?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Excellent analysis by David, as so often.

    The one thing I'd add is that it is possible, though perhaps not very likely, that Cruz might have closed part of the gap by the end of the race, if Trump's poor performance in Wisconsin turns out to be a harbinger for the remaining primaries. If so, then obviously Cruz's route to winning becomes stronger.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited April 2016
    Soll
    Gallant Oscar
    Aachen
    Goonyella

    And more rain at Aintree please.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,153
    his unpopularity could run through the down-ticket Republicans like a stomach bug on a badly-plumbed cruise ship.

    Love the simile.

    Interesting article too - thanks, David.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    edited April 2016
    NickPalmer said:

    I see this detail in the Guardian report on the Panama stuff:

    "Official letters obtained under freedom of information laws show ministers were “disappointed” at being stood up after numerous attempts to meet the leaders of the British Virgin Islands and Cayman Islands."

    What? These are British territories and their leaders refuse to meet British Ministers? Who the hell do they think they are?

    This is a separate issue from what British policy on tax avoidance should be - it's a straightforward challenge to the concept of being associated with Britain.

    They should be given a choice (a referendum if that's what they want) of

    (1) full transparency and compliance with what Britain thinks appropriate or
    (2) direct rule or
    (3) expulsion from any association with Britain - let them see how they get on as independent islands.

    Don't let's make this complicated. These places aren't independent. Britain is responsible for their external relations, which includes anything to do with offshore finance. The final court of appeal for the crown dependencies and the overseas territories is the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, which has exactly the same membership as the Supreme Court.

    It's unfortunate that neither the Supreme Court nor the JCPC publishes on its website the qualifications of any of its members to act in other jurisdictions than England and Wales. (Obviously they are qualified by dint of their role in those two courts, but I mean any background as members of say the Bermudan Bar Association.)

    I'd rather like there to be a nice list online of which barristers in Britain are also qualified in the jurisdictions of Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Jersey, etc.

    There's practically no money-laundering without a lawyer being involved.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:

    http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor

    As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    edited April 2016
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  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    William_H said:

    I really can't see the logic in picking Kasich. Better to pick someone who at least hasn't been conclusively rejected in the primaries, like Ryan, if you're going for someone other than Trump or Cruz. Unless Kasich can do well right at the end of the primaries and create a more favourable narrative, anyway.

    Or unless Kasich does better in the Hillary (or Sanders) one on one match ups, which he does. I am not sure there are any polls out there giving us the Ryan on Hillary/Sanders match up.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    Blair goes fishing with Bermudan lawyer - quite a juicy article from the London Evening Standard from 2007.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    A few spots of rain in the air on Merseyside now. Thunderstorms forecast...

    Any last Aintree tips?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited April 2016
    FPT:
    Innocent_Abroad said:

    You know as much about the inner workings of the Labour Party as I do about the Tories. To-day, those of its members who envisage it as a party of Government form a minority. Mostly, and this is surely true of JC himself, they prefer the purity and serenity of Opposition to the compromises of office.


    Philip_Thompson said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    I can't imagine. Something to do with your wishing there were no Labour or LD (let alone Green) MPs. perhaps?

    I don't wish there were no Labour or LD MPs. I just view getting rid of a whole bunch of Labour MPs we in England haven't elected as a bonus of Scots going independent.

    I imagine in an independent England the Labour Party would essentially return to a more moderate New Labour in order to appeal to English swing voters. Be healthy for our democracy.

    EDIT: Don't forget every New Labour victory included getting a majority of English seats, albeit on a Tory plurality in 05.
    Today that is true. However nothing lasts forever. Eventually Labour will regain a thirst for victory, or at least be sick of losing. Eventually the public are going to get sick of the Tories.

    When that happens a Labour party appealing to Middle England will be less damaging to the nation that a party as you described propped by Welsh and Scottish socialists.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    edited April 2016
    FPT:
    frpenkridge said:

    Just come back from a morning's leafleting for "Leave" at a large public market - quite encouraging. Most of the work done for us by Cameron's £9 million leaflet drop announcement. That could be a most enormous clanger.

    Shurely shum mishtake.

    Alastair Meeks assures us that Leave banging on about the inequity of the leaflet is the huge mistake.

    :smile:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited April 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    A few spots of rain in the air on Merseyside now. Thunderstorms forecast...

    Any last Aintree tips?

    The 4 I've posted are all mudlarks, I'm on them all for a fiver e/w.

    Soll
    Gallant Oscar
    Aachen
    Goonyella
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,863
    edited April 2016
    MTimT said:

    Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:

    http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor

    As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.

    I don't see the point of removing the fat from dairy. Are people really having so much of the stuff on their cornflakes that semi skimmed milk makes any appreciable difference?

    Full fat or don't have it at all, I say.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    A few spots of rain in the air on Merseyside now. Thunderstorms forecast...

    Any last Aintree tips?

    The 4 I've posted are all mudlarks, I'm on them all for a fiver e/w.

    Soll
    Gallant Oscar
    Aachen
    Goonyella
    Coming down moderately now. Forecast to rain for the next 90 minutes...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Another irony is that Trump's downfall might come from taking a hard line on abortion when Cruz and even Kasich are more extreme on that issue.

    Sure - hardline conservatives rightly fret that he isn't really in their camp. Electing Trump is like electing a random number generator - you really have no idea what he'll do. He doesn't have any idea what he'll do. He'll give it some thought when he gets there.

    If he is nominated, I suspect that the people who've said things so harsh about him that they can't plausibly retract them will adopt the Koch brother strategy and make a big thing about their love for the GOP. For the Senate. For the House. For dog-catcher. The President? "I'm not going to comment on that: I'll leave it to the people in their wisdom to decide." Quite possibly they can insulate their candidates from the worst effects that way.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    New York is all about Trump vs 50%.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited April 2016
    Great scenes at Aintree - superb for my horses' prospects. But still need luck >< !
    Wouldn't be backing Thistlecrack at 1-4 here, no idea how he does in soft ground - win at Chelters was on good.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.

    Steer clear of sugar, salt and cured meats. Lots of veg.

    The rest is detail.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Pat Buchanan's dire warning to the beltway meddlers and schemers;

    http://www.livingstonparishnews.com/opinion/editorials/article_ed4e6426-fc41-11e5-871d-8f33d1180783.html
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.

    Eat what you want in moderation, and mostly food made directly from recognizably-fresh or only moderately processed ingredients, rather than pre-made meals and high processed foods. Cornish pasties excepted, of course.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Dr. Foxinsox, hmm. Not sure I do that :p

    Trying to remember to eat more tuna though.

    Mr. Pulpstar, have you sacrificed a goat to Nike (the Greek god, not the sportswear manufacturer)?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567
    MTimT said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.

    Eat what you want in moderation, and mostly food made directly from recognizably-fresh or only moderately processed ingredients, rather than pre-made meals and high processed foods. Cornish pasties excepted, of course.
    "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” - Michael Pollan.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2016
    Has the Druids Nephew fallen yet? :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Pat Buchanan's dire warning to the beltway meddlers and schemers;

    http://www.livingstonparishnews.com/opinion/editorials/article_ed4e6426-fc41-11e5-871d-8f33d1180783.html

    Blimey. Almost talking of revolution.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Chocolate counts as plants, right?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Chocolate counts as plants, right?

    Yes, - I have just consulted with Mrs SSC who claims it counts as almost a salad..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    SimonStClare said:

    Has the Druids Nephew fallen yet? :lol:

    Hah
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. StClare, huzzah!

    Mrs. StClare is clearly a woman of uncommon wisdom.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Rain stopped.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    RodCrosby said:

    Rain stopped.

    It's in the ground now though, which is the main thing.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited April 2016
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.

    Steer clear of sugar, salt and cured meats. Lots of veg.

    The rest is detail.
    After trying everything else and committing just about every dietary sin, that's what I have gradually converged to. For instance, I found some time ago that my cycle time trialling went better with much less salt. I now find much processed and restaurant food somewhat disagreeable, falling far outside your constraints. So as a corollary I wonder whether we shouldn't add that most of one's diet ought to be home cooked/prepared.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Mortimer said:

    FPT:

    frpenkridge said:

    Just come back from a morning's leafleting for "Leave" at a large public market - quite encouraging. Most of the work done for us by Cameron's £9 million leaflet drop announcement. That could be a most enormous clanger.

    Shurely shum mishtake.

    Alastair Meeks assures us that Leave banging on about the inequity of the leaflet is the huge mistake.

    :smile:
    I received the VL "Facts about Europe" leaflet. Pretty clear from it that the screaming is not so much that the VL is in 6 point, but that is obviously HASN'T been written by swivel-eyed loons and fruitcakes.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.

    Steer clear of sugar, salt and cured meats. Lots of veg.

    The rest is detail.
    I've always had lowish blood pressure (it's what makes me serene on PB...) so I theorise that I can get away with salt, which I've always loved ever since I discovered klipfisk, cod preserved in a thick layer of salt from the days before Scandinavia had fridges. The official recommendation is to soak it for a while to take the edge off, but real men eat it just like that, lightly fried in oil.

    Sugar, cured meats, meh.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735
    GIN1138 said:

    I think Trump has to be allowed to get the nomination (and fail in the Presidential election) to allow the GOP to have a good chance in 2020.

    Except Cruz is now next in line for 2020
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    I know it's an understatement to say the PM has handled this badly. He was right the first time, that this was a private matter and should have left it there for his accusers to provide the evidence.

    Is there any journalist doing any serious work on how all these 11million documents were hacked/leaked? This is a criminal offence, is it not? The fact that Edward Snowden has made a reappearance and demanding the PM's resignation is extremely concerning, is it not?
    There is an absolutely massive story behind all this and I want are so-called investigate journalists to have the cojones to get behind it. I'm not holding my breath.

    We could take a hit from IS at any time, is anyone seriously suggesting we can do without a PM at this time? Perhaps if we do take a hit, Jeremy from Islington can invite them in for a cup of tea, to discuss their problems!


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Maggio wins at 50-1... Soft ground in play.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Rain stopped.

    It's in the ground now though, which is the main thing.
    Forecast to start raining again in 30 mins.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    LadyBucket said:

    Is there any journalist doing any serious work on how all these 11million documents were hacked/leaked? This is a criminal offence, is it not? The fact that Edward Snowden has made a reappearance and demanding the PM's resignation is extremely concerning, is it not?
    There is an absolutely massive story behind all this and I want are so-called investigate journalists to have the cojones to get behind it. I'm not holding my breath.

    Snowden rightly observed that the PM was rather blase about people's privacy until it was his under discussion.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    LadyBucket said:

    I know it's an understatement to say the PM has handled this badly. He was right the first time, that this was a private matter and should have left it there for his accusers to provide the evidence.

    Is there any journalist doing any serious work on how all these 11million documents were hacked/leaked? This is a criminal offence, is it not? The fact that Edward Snowden has made a reappearance and demanding the PM's resignation is extremely concerning, is it not?
    There is an absolutely massive story behind all this and I want are so-called investigate journalists to have the cojones to get behind it. I'm not holding my breath.

    We could take a hit from IS at any time, is anyone seriously suggesting we can do without a PM at this time? Perhaps if we do take a hit, Jeremy from Islington can invite them in for a cup of tea, to discuss their problems!


    Pass the sick bucket.
    The heir to Blairmore is the security risk, not Corbyn.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    World Bank Chief Economist refuses to join Cameron's chorus of catastrophe

    'Britain could be better off outside the EU if it forged new trade ties and cemented old ones.'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/09/no-end-in-sight-for-global-economic-misery-warns-world-bank/

    I wonder if the 'Davos Consensus' is breaking down a bit here. Given the closeness of the polls, it would make sense not have all your eggs in one basket.

    Many of my professional colleagues are often keen to argue that matters economic will go on much as before, regardless of political events, in the case of other countries - so why not also the UK...?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,735
    edited April 2016
    MTimT said:

    William_H said:

    I really can't see the logic in picking Kasich. Better to pick someone who at least hasn't been conclusively rejected in the primaries, like Ryan, if you're going for someone other than Trump or Cruz. Unless Kasich can do well right at the end of the primaries and create a more favourable narrative, anyway.

    Or unless Kasich does better in the Hillary (or Sanders) one on one match ups, which he does. I am not sure there are any polls out there giving us the Ryan on Hillary/Sanders match up.
    Hillary beat Ryan 40% to 34% in a Rasmussen poll earlier this month while Sanders led Ryan 41% to 34%. Ryan was the losing VP nominee in 2012 too
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    kle4 said:

    MTimT said:

    Oh, the irony! First margarine is bad for you and way worse than butter. Now this:

    http://www.modernreaders.com/full-fat-dairy-diabetes-obesity/43732/melissa-taylor

    As a West Country boy, glad to say I've done the full fat dairy all my life.

    I don't see the point of removing the fat from dairy. Are people really having so much of the stuff on their cornflakes that semi skimmed milk makes any appreciable difference?

    Full fat or don't have it at all, I say.
    The amount of fat in full fat pasteurised milk is 4%, semi skinned is 2% fat. So, Why! After the dairies took out the fat from the milk for cheese and cream, they had a resultant that went down the drain - until, somebody had the bright idea of only taking half the fat and selling it as a "Health Product" which is half the fat of normal milk.

    As for margarine, it was first made industrially after the WW2 when the oils for animal feed were in short supply (in Holland or Denmark I believe), a big factory was built and went into production. Only one eensie teensie problem, a flock of turkeys fed on feed with marge included did something unexpected - they all died. Turns out a material made on oils out of the ground (rather than from animals or plants), mechanically treated, hydrogenated, heated and pressurised was totally inert - you can leave a block of margarine out, uncovered and not only will no flies go on it, neither will any molds. So someone had the bright idea of wrapping blocks up in fancy paper and selling it as a healthy alternative to butter.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited April 2016
    LadyBucket said:

    I know it's an understatement to say the PM has handled this badly. He was right the first time, that this was a private matter and should have left it there for his accusers to provide the evidence.

    Is there any journalist doing any serious work on how all these 11million documents were hacked/leaked? This is a criminal offence, is it not? The fact that Edward Snowden has made a reappearance and demanding the PM's resignation is extremely concerning, is it not?
    There is an absolutely massive story behind all this and I want are so-called investigate journalists to have the cojones to get behind it. I'm not holding my breath.

    We could take a hit from IS at any time, is anyone seriously suggesting we can do without a PM at this time? Perhaps if we do take a hit, Jeremy from Islington can invite them in for a cup of tea, to discuss their problems!


    The trouble with the "private matter" defence is that David Cameron was all over Jimmy Carr when he was in the firing line over tax.

    Politically, the original story was nothing -- every voter in the land takes it as read that rich people have fancy accountants for this sort of thing. Attacking Cameron over this is as asinine as attacking him for being a toff. It's priced in: everyone knows; no-one cares.

    But Cameron's last explanation should have been his first and CCHQ and even pb Tories should have STFU and let it blow over. Throwing up chaff about Tony Blair and assorted lefties only keeps the story running.

    Edit: maybe there are too many broadcasters and not enough old newspaper hands in the press office.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    MonikerDiCanio..If you think CORBYN is not a security risk then you are living in cloud cuckoo land
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    LadyBucket said:

    I know it's an understatement to say the PM has handled this badly. He was right the first time, that this was a private matter and should have left it there for his accusers to provide the evidence.

    Is there any journalist doing any serious work on how all these 11million documents were hacked/leaked? This is a criminal offence, is it not? The fact that Edward Snowden has made a reappearance and demanding the PM's resignation is extremely concerning, is it not?
    There is an absolutely massive story behind all this and I want are so-called investigate journalists to have the cojones to get behind it. I'm not holding my breath.

    We could take a hit from IS at any time, is anyone seriously suggesting we can do without a PM at this time? Perhaps if we do take a hit, Jeremy from Islington can invite them in for a cup of tea, to discuss their problems!


    The trouble with the "private matter" defence is that David Cameron was all over Jimmy Carr when he was in the firing line over tax.

    Politically, the original story was nothing -- every voter in the land takes it as read that rich people have fancy accountants for this sort of thing. Attacking Cameron over this is as asinine as attacking him for being a toff. It's priced in: everyone knows; no-one cares.

    But Cameron's last explanation should have been his first and CCHQ and even pb Tories should have STFU and let it blow over. Throwing up chaff about Tony Blair and assorted lefties only keeps the story running.

    Edit: maybe there are too many broadcasters and not enough old newspaper hands in the press office.
    If he had taken the explanation I suggested from the start, he (or rather the Tory outriders) could have closed down the "what about Jimmy Carr" angle, because Cameron invested in a Unit Trust, which everybody who has a pension will be invested in. Jimmy Carr invested in a scheme whereby you gave it money and it loaned it back to you over the course of a number of years. Hence why HMRC say unit trusts ok, Jimmy Carr type scheme erhh not so ok.

    He could have even argued this is why I criticised these "aggressive" avoidance schemes i.e. I invested and paid my taxes on it, these other schemes individuals don't pay full tax.

    Instead everything looks shady as hell, when all the financial experts, even Labourite Peston, basically said Cameron's father's fund was about as boring as it got when it comes to this.

    Now the question about the Jersey stuff, now that is a different matter. That definitely looks like some nifty Bennite footwork, and I would guess Cameron's mother and siblings have got a good chunk of change of it.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,504
    Right, the Cyclefree family Grand National hopefuls:-

    - Ballycasey

    - Many Clouds

    - Saint Are

    - Silviniaco Conti

    - The Last Samuri
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,346
    I'm on Silviniaco Conti and Aachen.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    richardDodd said:

    MonikerDiCanio..If you think CORBYN is not a security risk then you are living in cloud cuckoo land

    Dear Dear
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    This can't be right, Katherine Jenkins ain't doing the national anthem. I thought that was the law, big sports event Jenkers has to do the warbling.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Many Clouds will have to be some horse to win in these conditions off 11-10.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    NickPalmer said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Worth noting sentiment may weigh on those figures. An awful lot of people want to believe Trump will fail.

    On health - I ignore the vast majority of such stories. Eat what I like, in moderation.

    Steer clear of sugar, salt and cured meats. Lots of veg.

    The rest is detail.
    I've always had lowish blood pressure (it's what makes me serene on PB...) so I theorise that I can get away with salt, which I've always loved ever since I discovered klipfisk, cod preserved in a thick layer of salt from the days before Scandinavia had fridges. The official recommendation is to soak it for a while to take the edge off, but real men eat it just like that, lightly fried in oil.

    Sugar, cured meats, meh.
    Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.

    Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.

    Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Well all my horses have shortened (Particularly Goonyella). No prizes for that, though.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    edited April 2016
    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Shame that guy on TV with his "alleged girlfriend " and then legged it was not at the starting line.

    He would have been joint fave.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Gives them a different day out than complaining about animal cruelty at the Grand National....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Moses_ said:

    Shame that guy on TV with his "alleged girlfriend " and then legged it was not at the starting line.

    He would have been joint fave.

    LOL
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    HurstLlama said:



    Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.

    Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.

    Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.

    Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.

    Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think Trump has to be allowed to get the nomination (and fail in the Presidential election) to allow the GOP to have a good chance in 2020.

    Except Cruz is now next in line for 2020
    I've seen that sort of thing said a lot but is there material evidence that it's true?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    NickPalmer said:

    HurstLlama said:



    Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.

    Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.

    Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.

    Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.

    Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
    Look for garfish and you'll find it around.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited April 2016
    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    NickPalmer said:

    HurstLlama said:



    Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.

    Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.

    Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.

    Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.

    Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
    Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JournoStephen: Explosive stuff in @kezdugdale's tax return. https://t.co/qA9lgTtmEy
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    foxinsoxuk said:

    NickPalmer said:

    HurstLlama said:



    Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.

    Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.

    Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.

    Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.

    Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
    Bacalau is indeed delicious, though an acquired taste. One of the many advantages of the EU is that it can be found in specialist Portuguese shops fairly easily.
    Ha! Another one for project fear. Vote remain or no cod and chips ever again

    FFS......
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Moniker Di Canio..So what exactly is Cameron guilty of.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    Pulpstar said:

    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell

    I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.
    Did anyone get the winner?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    For sure he has been shown up as a multi-faced lying , taxing avoiding , lying baw faced cheat.
    Like his hero Clegg he will remembered best for being a shifty two faced liar.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,504
    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell

    I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.
    Did anyone get the winner?
    I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    @Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    richardDodd said:

    Moniker Di Canio..So what exactly is Cameron guilty of.

    LYING
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    He may have been ham fisted but he didn't do anything wrong. The fund he invested in is similar to many that pension funds use to the benefit of many millions in the UK - are you going to say these should be closed down. He will continue in office despite your hopes otherwise
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell

    I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.
    Did anyone get the winner?
    I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......
    Must have been a great result for the bookies, they will be laughing all the way to the bank.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    MikeK said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    @Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.
    What has he lied about
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    MikeK said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    @Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.
    Exactly , you can never trust a liar.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,171
    malcolmg said:

    richardDodd said:

    Moniker Di Canio..So what exactly is Cameron guilty of.

    LYING
    What did he lie about?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited April 2016
    malcolmg said:

    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell

    I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.
    Did anyone get the winner?
    I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......
    Must have been a great result for the bookies, they will be laughing all the way to the bank.
    Well if people will lump on top weight horses at shortish prices in heavy conditions...
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    NickPalmer said:

    HurstLlama said:



    Bacalhau is the Portuguese equivalent, the fish was dried and salted on board ship to preserve it for the long run home. I can remember long queues outside the Lisbon fishmongers When the fishing fleet came in, and rightly so because Bacalhau is delicious regardless of whichever of the hundreds of recipes one chooses. My favourite used to be Bacalhau à Gomes de Sá, with a bottle of Vinho Verde served on a sunny terrace - that was a close to heaven as I am likely to get.

    Nowadays my Kidneys are creaking and I am very salt intolerant - more than a small amount in a meal and I have a raging thirst all night. This is a great shame because, with one exception, at least only one I have found so far, I can no longer enjoy a curry in a indian restaurant (something that has been a passion for me since I was about 14). Even the posh curry houses (e.g. Veeraswamy and the Taj in Crawley, where one is talking £50 a head, seem to use salt by the tablespoonful), delicious food but not worth the suffering afterwards.

    Actually it is surprising, judging by my reaction to the stuff, how much salt gets thrown into restaurant/pub meals, even those that one would think would be relatively salt free.

    Mm, sympathies. I've never had the pelasure of visiting Portugal, but will look out for bacalhau if I get the chance.

    Klipfisk has become very unfashionable in Denmark as the traditional fish have given way to international generic fish like cod and plaice, yawn. Another favourite when I lived there, again rare now and one I've never seen outside Scandinavia, is hornfish, which is like a miniature swordfish but much tastier, distinguished by green bones visible through the translucent skin. If there was anywhere in London that served it, I'd go there every month.
    Nick, You are a Europhile, beyond sixty years of age and you have never been to Portugal. Well I am gob-smacked. If ever here was a nation state that looked to the EU, as it is now, to pull it out of its authoritarian past into the sunlit uplands of libertarian prosperity it was Portugal. And it got royally kicked in the teeth.

    MAybe you would have done better to have become an MEP
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    John_N said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I see this detail in the Guardian report on the Panama stuff:

    "Official letters obtained under freedom of information laws show ministers were “disappointed” at being stood up after numerous attempts to meet the leaders of the British Virgin Islands and Cayman Islands."

    What? These are British territories and their leaders refuse to meet British Ministers? Who the hell do they think they are?

    This is a separate issue from what British policy on tax avoidance should be - it's a straightforward challenge to the concept of being associated with Britain.

    They should be given a choice (a referendum if that's what they want) of

    (1) full transparency and compliance with what Britain thinks appropriate or
    (2) direct rule or
    (3) expulsion from any association with Britain - let them see how they get on as independent islands.

    Don't let's make this complicated. These places aren't independent. Britain is responsible for their external relations, which includes anything to do with offshore finance. The final court of appeal for the crown dependencies and the overseas territories is the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, which has exactly the same membership as the Supreme Court.

    It's unfortunate that neither the Supreme Court nor the JCPC publishes on its website the qualifications of any of its members to act in other jurisdictions than England and Wales. (Obviously they are qualified by dint of their role in those two courts, but I mean any background as members of say the Bermudan Bar Association.)

    I'd rather like there to be a nice list online of which barristers in Britain are also qualified in the jurisdictions of Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Jersey, etc.

    There's practically no money-laundering without a lawyer being involved.

    ....."list of lawyers"..... An excellent idea. More trouble is caused these days by lawyers than by politicians.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723
    edited April 2016
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    richardDodd said:

    Moniker Di Canio..So what exactly is Cameron guilty of.

    LYING
    What did he lie about?
    His money from Panama that he insisted never existed. His pasty and I am sure hundreds of others we don't yet know about. If he was pinochio he would not be able to get through the door

    PS: to be fair 30K is small change to him , perhaps he forgot about it
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    matt said:



    Look for garfish and you'll find it around.

    Ah, thank you! Trust PB to be a resource for everything.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    MikeK said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    @Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.
    Stark Dawning's posts are mostly spoofs, just to let you know
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    MikeK said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    @Stark_Dawning is stark raving again. It's not the left agitators Cameron has to worry about. It's all those that remember his lying on Pasties in Pastygate a few years ago, and see that under the smooth sweaty veneer, he remains what he always was, a man to whom lying comes as second nature.
    Yes, I agree. That was crime-of-the-century stuff. Dave claimed to have eaten a pasty at a railway station but the evidence for its existence was at best patchy. I'm prepared to be charitable and think he merely misremembered and it was in fact a sausage roll.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    richardDodd said:

    Moniker Di Canio..So what exactly is Cameron guilty of.

    LYING
    What did he lie about?
    His money from Panama that he insisted never existed. His pasty and I am sure hundreds of others we don't yet know about. If he was pinochio he would not be able to get through the door

    PS: to be fair 30K is small change to him , perhaps he forgot about it
    When did he insist the investment never existed and is pasty tax the best you can do
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    MG.You are truly pathetic..sad little man..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567
    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell

    I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.
    Did anyone get the winner?
    I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......
    I had Last Samuri. Highly annoying last few yards.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,390
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    ham fisted
    Don't think he was accused of that was he?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,797
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    malcolmg said:

    Cyclefree said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "Then a gap back to Goonyella staying on in fifth !" (Was on at 22s)

    So a loss of £7.50 from £40 total stake overall. Not so bad.

    Congratulations to all winners.

    Rest pulled up/fell

    I had 2nd , but did worse than you , got 40% of my stakes back, if you include having to fund my wife's horse.
    Did anyone get the winner?
    I had an each way bet on The Last Samuri. First year in the last three that have not had the winner. So close......
    Must have been a great result for the bookies, they will be laughing all the way to the bank.
    Well if people will lump on top weight horses at shortish prices in heavy conditions...
    My place bet on Last Samurai covered my other bets and I ended slightly up. Exciting race!
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I think it's fair to say that Dave has gotten away with it. The rantings of the usual far-left agitators - Livingstone, Sturgeon, Lily Allen - calling on him to resign/be sent to jail have been completely counter-productive and if anything garnered him some sympathy. Most delicious though has been the reaction of his swivel-eyed opponents in Leave - their frustration and disappointment have been palpable. Next.

    Thou shalt not get caught.
    Once you have been caught, you haven't " gotten away with it " and your political career is over. The people will laugh at your every sanctimonious platitude.
    He may have been ham fisted but he didn't do anything wrong. The fund he invested in is similar to many that pension funds use to the benefit of many millions in the UK - are you going to say these should be closed down. He will continue in office despite your hopes otherwise
    Those who gave Lyin' Dave the benefit of the doubt have been sorely disappointed. His credibility has gone and he'll have to go. He's unfit.
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