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Some Welsh people and Scottish people walk into a polling station and – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,764
edited April 2021 in General
Some Welsh people and Scottish people walk into a polling station and – politicalbetting.com

Welsh parliament VI:Constituency:LAB: 35% (+3)CON: 24% (-6)PC: 24% (+1)REFUK: 4% (+1)ABOL: 3% (-)GRN: 3% (+1)LDEM: 3% (-2)List: LAB: 33% (+2)PC: 23% (+1)CON: 22% (-6)ABOL: 7% (-)GRN: 5% (+2)LDEM: 4% (-)REFUK: 2% (+1)via @YouGov, 18 – 21 AprChgs. w/ last month

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,603
    534,693 new vaccinations registered in 🇬🇧 yesterday

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 92,703 1st doses / 339,773 2nd doses
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 2,600 / 50,576
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 15,083 / 13,142
    NI 7,523 / 13,293
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,725
    Second!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,725
    I am sure he is doing this on purpose.
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    Is this not the most French story ever?

    French winemakers ask for government to move them to front of vaccine queue as Covid destroys taste.

    The French wine industry has suffered heavy blows with the pandemic followed by severe frosts.

    French wine tasters have urged the government to prioritise them for vaccines after dozens were left unable to work when they lost their sense of smell and taste after being infected with Covid-19.

    In a survey of more than 2,600 wine workers, the Union of France Oenologists said nearly 70 per cent of those who contracted Covid-19 lost their sense of smell and over half lost their sense of taste, affecting their ability to do their job.

    "It's like asking a musician to play without his instrument," said Didier Fages, the union's director.

    As France's vaccination campaign picks up speed and workers deemed essential such as teachers and police officers get jabs, the body has written to Jean Castex, the prime minister, to demand that wine tasters be moved to the front of the queue for anti-Covid shots to protect their livelihoods.

    "Tasting is at the heart of the profession of the wine expert who makes the wine. At each stage from harvesting the grape to bottling, the appreciation of the quality of the wine and the resulting technical decisions go through tasting," Mr Fages said in the open letter.

    He asked the government to "consider measures to make access to vaccination easier," for oenologists.

    The survey added that 40 per cent of wine professionals whose senses were dulled during an infection did not recover their abilities fully. The loss of smell and taste, a common symptom of a Covid infection, could also affect professional chefs, perfume makers and others.

    Winemakers say subtler tastes are harder to detect after re-training their noses post-Covid, finding the aromas of dark fruits and berries are simple to detect, but those of mandarines and ripe citrus fruits are more elusive.

    France's multi-billion pound wine industry had already been affected by restaurant closures and lockdowns since the start of the pandemic. Exports to Britain and the US have been complicated by Brexit and by tariffs slapped on by the former Trump Administration.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/21/french-winemakers-ask-government-move-front-vaccine-queue-covid/
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,585
    edited April 2021
    The Welsh Yougov poll would actually see a 1.5% swing from Labour to the Conservatives on the 2016 Senedd elections and see the Welsh Conservatives gain Vale of Glamorgan from Welsh Labour with Vale of Clwyd too close to call, Plaid would gain Llanelli from Welsh Labour too.

    In Scotland if Comres if correct and the SNP fail to even match the majority they got in 2011 before the 2014 independence referendum even despite Brexit then the UK Tory government will easily be able to brush Sturgeon off when it refuses a legal indyref2 and respects the once in a generation 2014 vote
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    IanB2 said:

    I am sure he is doing this on purpose.

    Who is doing what on purpose?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,016
    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).
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    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031
    I'm not sure an all-Wales poll is very useful given the geographic concentration of PC strength. It's like the all-Britain surveys in general elections, with the SNP on a mere 4%.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    534,693 new vaccinations registered in 🇬🇧 yesterday

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 92,703 1st doses / 339,773 2nd doses
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 2,600 / 50,576
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 15,083 / 13,142
    NI 7,523 / 13,293

    Crawling again ...
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,603
    TimT said:

    534,693 new vaccinations registered in 🇬🇧 yesterday

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 92,703 1st doses / 339,773 2nd doses
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 2,600 / 50,576
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 15,083 / 13,142
    NI 7,523 / 13,293

    Crawling again ...
    "@HugoGye
    UK vaccination rate is not too far off its peak, and higher than at any point other than that late-March surge. @OurWorldInData graph shows UK weekly pace along with some other comparable countries."

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,603

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    Perhaps the Tories should become anti-devolution and run on an inverted anti-establishment platform.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Its absolutely remarkable the difference between the sexes.

    Is that purely down to Care and the NHS?

    Or are women more likely to have "pre-existing conditions" too?
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    pingping Posts: 3,755
    edited April 2021

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    The tories are English nationalists, now.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,639
    Quincel said:

    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).

    The Con win in Hartlepool will take a good slice of the media, I would think. An expected and logical result might be presented sloppily by many as a big shock. If so, I'll be on the look out for market overreaction in GE and Starmer markets.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,585
    edited April 2021

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    Actually the 25% the Scottish Conservatives are on today in the constituency vote at Holyrood with Comres would be the highest ever Scottish Conservative voteshare at Holyrood under the leadership of Douglas Ross, even higher than the 22% Ruth Davidson got in 2016.

    The Welsh Conservative seat total even on today's Yougov under RT's leadership would be the joint highest Welsh Conservative Senedd seat total ever alongside that they got in 2014.

    Today's Survation UK poll however has the Tory voteshare under Boris down to 40% ie not only below their 2019 voteshare but even below May's 42% voteshare in 2017, so while still ahead there would be a swing to Labour in England since 2019 with Labour up to 34% from 32% then
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,080

    Its absolutely remarkable the difference between the sexes.

    Is that purely down to Care and the NHS?

    Or are women more likely to have "pre-existing conditions" too?
    Younger age groups is all about frontline staff, surely.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ping said:

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    The tories are English nationalists, now.
    Is there anything wrong with that? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Its absolutely remarkable the difference between the sexes.

    Is that purely down to Care and the NHS?

    Or are women more likely to have "pre-existing conditions" too?
    My guess is that it is almost entirely due to Care and NHS
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    Its absolutely remarkable the difference between the sexes.

    Is that purely down to Care and the NHS?

    Or are women more likely to have "pre-existing conditions" too?
    Younger age groups is all about frontline staff, surely.
    A surprisingly large proportion of younger people can have a pre-existing condition.

    No idea if there's a gender split on that though.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,904
    "And basically, Dan, that's how international trade works." https://twitter.com/WJames_Reuters/status/1385223062807797766/photo/1
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    ridaligoridaligo Posts: 174
    FPT

    AlistairM said: I still can't buy a graphics card for my PC either. Serious lack of capacity in semiconductor manufacturing.

    Yes there is, as we discussed a few days ago ... BTW re advanced node manufacturing, I heard yesterday that it takes ASML 18 months from order to build an EUV machine because of the lead time to get key specialist components from suppliers (lenses, mirrors, etc) + another year to commission and ramp up on site. So that's 2.5 years from fab announcement to initial production of 5nm processes.

    This doesn't really affect automotive semis, which will be back to normal in 2H21 but for AI chips, GPUs, DRAM and NAND, MPUs, SoC
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,639
    edited April 2021

    ping said:

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    The tories are English nationalists, now.
    Is there anything wrong with that? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
    In theory no, in practice yes. If you doubt this, take a look at the sort of people who profess the creed of EngNat. It's a grim bunch, by and large. There's a big overlap with far right sentiment.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,021
    The Pentagon has briefed top lawmakers on intelligence surrounding suspected directed-energy attacks against U.S. troops, and officials identified Russia as a likely culprit, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter.

    The Defense Department had been investigating the incidents, including those targeting its personnel around the world, since last year, according to four former national security officials directly involved in the probe.


    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/22/pentagon-russia-attacks-us-troops-484150
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,016
    kinabalu said:

    Quincel said:

    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).

    The Con win in Hartlepool will take a good slice of the media, I would think. An expected and logical result might be presented sloppily by many as a big shock. If so, I'll be on the look out for market overreaction in GE and Starmer markets.
    That's a fair point, if the Cons take Hartlepool (which I have as about 65-70% to happen) then that's surely the headline.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    ping said:

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    The tories are English nationalists, now.
    Is there anything wrong with that? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
    In theory no, in practice yes. If you doubt this, take a look at the sort of people who profess the creed of EngNat. It's a grim bunch, by and large. There's a big overlap with far right sentiment.
    No that's your closed-minded bigotry.

    Like you saying you'd hate having a neighbour who flies a flag. Its perfectly normal to fly a flag around here.
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    Quincel said:

    kinabalu said:

    Quincel said:

    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).

    The Con win in Hartlepool will take a good slice of the media, I would think. An expected and logical result might be presented sloppily by many as a big shock. If so, I'll be on the look out for market overreaction in GE and Starmer markets.
    That's a fair point, if the Cons take Hartlepool (which I have as about 65-70% to happen) then that's surely the headline.
    It depends, I was speaking to a couple of election officials and it is entirely possible we don't get the results of some of May's until Monday.

    In the good old days pre Covid-19 we didn't get the London Mayor result until 23.52 of Friday, so some results may not get as much coverage.

    The other factor is Scotland, if we get an independence (super) majority the news will be about will there another referendum, that will dominate the news as I expect Boris Johnson will say no and Nicola Sturgeon will not take that quietly, and within a few days of that there's the Airdrie and Shotts by election which becomes another major news story.

    By elections and mayors come and go, but the future of the Union is at stake.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,898
    Lots of nationalism but no separation is the best we can hope for, for Wales and Scotland. Sadly Scottish and Welsh nationalistic feeling will feed the same movement in England, even as as the neighbourhood flagpoles go up.

    And sadly too labour's chances of forming a government are dented by the same movement. The more Labour have to ally with SNP to form a government, the more unwilling moderate unionists will be to risk it, especially if the Tories continue with a policy of (very) Old Labour policies (the pound, suspicion of Europe, tax, borrow, spend, build houses, make it less grim oop North, free whippets) + comedy optimistic uplift.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,448

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Is it possible to get an ALBA sign - given his cheapstake launch I wonder if he ordered a single job lot of 100 signs and that's it.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,639

    kinabalu said:

    ping said:

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    The tories are English nationalists, now.
    Is there anything wrong with that? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
    In theory no, in practice yes. If you doubt this, take a look at the sort of people who profess the creed of EngNat. It's a grim bunch, by and large. There's a big overlap with far right sentiment.
    No that's your closed-minded bigotry.

    Like you saying you'd hate having a neighbour who flies a flag. Its perfectly normal to fly a flag around here.
    Spend a bit of time looking into it and you'll see what I mean. If having discovered what a typical ardent Eng Nat looks like, you don't see the problem then you are a problem.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,021
    NHS England stats show that up to 18th April a first dose had been given to:

    97% of those aged 60+
    95% of 55-59
    89% of 50-54
    59% of 45-49
    26% of 16-44

    87% of NHS health workers
    80% of workers in elderly care homes

    92% of clinically extremely vulnerable
    80% of JCVI group 6


    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1385227029663129601?s=20
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    Paging @Casino_Royale

    Go vegan to help UK hit greenhouse gas targets, says Cabinet minister Kwasi Kwarteng

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/vegan-help-uk-hit-greenhouse-gas-targets-cabinet-minister-kwasi-kwarteng-b931123.html
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    Oh FFS.

    Up to 30 countries could be on 'green' list for early summer holidays

    Hopes are rising that there will be many more holiday destinations on the Government's 'green' list for quarantine-free travel from May 17

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/22/30-countries-could-green-list-early-summer-holidays/
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ping said:

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    The tories are English nationalists, now.
    Is there anything wrong with that? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
    In theory no, in practice yes. If you doubt this, take a look at the sort of people who profess the creed of EngNat. It's a grim bunch, by and large. There's a big overlap with far right sentiment.
    No that's your closed-minded bigotry.

    Like you saying you'd hate having a neighbour who flies a flag. Its perfectly normal to fly a flag around here.
    Spend a bit of time looking into it and you'll see what I mean. If having discovered what a typical ardent Eng Nat looks like, you don't see the problem then you are a problem.
    A typical Eng Nat is an entirely normal person.

    Just like a typical Scot Nat or French Nat or anyone else.

    If you are too closed minded to see that then you are part of the problem.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,585
    edited April 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Quincel said:

    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).

    The Con win in Hartlepool will take a good slice of the media, I would think. An expected and logical result might be presented sloppily by many as a big shock. If so, I'll be on the look out for market overreaction in GE and Starmer markets.
    On today's Survation Labour will gain county council seats from the Tories on May 6th and on UNS would comfortably hold Hartlepool but the high BXP share there means the Tories still may outperform UNS there
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    He doesn't say people should go vegan. Just that if they did, it would help (a bit), and it seems to be happening by choice rather than by legislation. Can't see anyone having an issue with that.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,448

    Quincel said:

    kinabalu said:

    Quincel said:

    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).

    The Con win in Hartlepool will take a good slice of the media, I would think. An expected and logical result might be presented sloppily by many as a big shock. If so, I'll be on the look out for market overreaction in GE and Starmer markets.
    That's a fair point, if the Cons take Hartlepool (which I have as about 65-70% to happen) then that's surely the headline.
    It depends, I was speaking to a couple of election officials and it is entirely possible we don't get the results of some of May's until Monday.

    In the good old days pre Covid-19 we didn't get the London Mayor result until 23.52 of Friday, so some results may not get as much coverage.

    The other factor is Scotland, if we get an independence (super) majority the news will be about will there another referendum, that will dominate the news as I expect Boris Johnson will say no and Nicola Sturgeon will not take that quietly, and within a few days of that there's the Airdrie and Shotts by election which becomes another major news story.

    By elections and mayors come and go, but the future of the Union is at stake.
    That Airdie and Shotts by election is going to be treated by the media as almost a referendum on the Scottish desire for a referendum. You can see it already even before the SNP win on May 8th.
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    Quincel said:

    kinabalu said:

    Quincel said:

    Labour are looking like they might do pretty well in Scotland and Wales, but have rubbish results in the English Mayoralties. If that does play out it will be interesting to see what the narrative is in the press, given that it will in truth be mixed in every sense. Nuance is not the media's strong point (or most people's generally, in fairness).

    The Con win in Hartlepool will take a good slice of the media, I would think. An expected and logical result might be presented sloppily by many as a big shock. If so, I'll be on the look out for market overreaction in GE and Starmer markets.
    That's a fair point, if the Cons take Hartlepool (which I have as about 65-70% to happen) then that's surely the headline.
    Quite, if anyone was ars*d about local elections, more people would vote in them.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Oh FFS.

    Up to 30 countries could be on 'green' list for early summer holidays

    Hopes are rising that there will be many more holiday destinations on the Government's 'green' list for quarantine-free travel from May 17

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/22/30-countries-could-green-list-early-summer-holidays/

    Countries that should be on the Green list almost entirely match a conversation with Ken Livingstone:

    Israel
    Israel
    Israel
    Israel.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,083
    Endillion said:

    He doesn't say people should go vegan. Just that if they did, it would help (a bit), and it seems to be happening by choice rather than by legislation. Can't see anyone having an issue with that.
    Will someone think of the poor vegetables......
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    Endillion said:

    He doesn't say people should go vegan. Just that if they did, it would help (a bit), and it seems to be happening by choice rather than by legislation. Can't see anyone having an issue with that.
    Will someone think of the poor vegetables......
    It wont be too hard to do a bit of maths and work out that almond harvesting for milk has an environmental impact greater than dairy.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031
    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,021
    Police interrogators are taught not just to look for inconsistency in the stories given by suspects under interrogation, but to look for conspicuous consistency.

    The idea is that an innocent person, asked to recount events over and over again, will remember things slightly differently each time. A person who has something to hide is more likely to stick rigidly to a story that they have committed to memory. You don’t need to memorise the truth, you just remember it.

    When you hear a politician use near-identical words again and again it is a sign that they have practised and prepared that language....

    Twice in the last couple of days, once to STV’s Colin Mackay and again last night to ITV’s Robert Peston, Nicola Sturgeon used such carefully chosen language in response to questions about whether Scotland’s higher public spending, and the election promises it enables, would be affordable if we followed her lead and left the UK.


    https://notesonnationalism.substack.com/p/scotlands-share?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
    You're suggesting that @malcolmg is cultural? Wow. 😂
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    ridaligo said:

    FPT

    AlistairM said: I still can't buy a graphics card for my PC either. Serious lack of capacity in semiconductor manufacturing.

    Yes there is, as we discussed a few days ago ... BTW re advanced node manufacturing, I heard yesterday that it takes ASML 18 months from order to build an EUV machine because of the lead time to get key specialist components from suppliers (lenses, mirrors, etc) + another year to commission and ramp up on site. So that's 2.5 years from fab announcement to initial production of 5nm processes.

    This doesn't really affect automotive semis, which will be back to normal in 2H21 but for AI chips, GPUs, DRAM and NAND, MPUs, SoC

    This is why we love this site so much. Always an expert on each field. Never even heard of an EUV machine (or the technology) before this.

    FWIW re lead times, in my field, a BSL4 lab takes years to get from concept to commissioning. Just the commissioning (without NIMBY intereference) can take 6+ months. The new animal BSL4 in Manhattan KS was proposed and design started in 2009, groundbreaking in 2015, and commissioning in 2020. Still not fully operational, although much of that is down to COVID restricting travel and relocation of personnel.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,026
    edited April 2021

    Oh FFS.

    Up to 30 countries could be on 'green' list for early summer holidays

    Hopes are rising that there will be many more holiday destinations on the Government's 'green' list for quarantine-free travel from May 17

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/22/30-countries-could-green-list-early-summer-holidays/

    Countries that should be on the Green list almost entirely match a conversation with Ken Livingstone:

    Israel
    Israel
    Israel
    Israel.
    "Hopes are rising"

    ie we are pushing it but we've actually no idea.
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    Our postal ballots received, completed and posted for the Senedd
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    The moral of the story seems to be that in England where the Tories are led by Boris the party is doing well nationwide, but in the other nations with their own leaders the party is struggling.

    So how do we find a Welsh and Scottish Boris?

    Actually the 25% the Scottish Conservatives are on today in the constituency vote at Holyrood with Comres would be the highest ever Scottish Conservative voteshare at Holyrood under the leadership of Douglas Ross, even higher than the 22% Ruth Davidson got in 2016.

    The Welsh Conservative seat total even on today's Yougov under RT's leadership would be the joint highest Welsh Conservative Senedd seat total ever alongside that they got in 2014.

    Today's Survation UK poll however has the Tory voteshare under Boris down to 40% ie not only below their 2019 voteshare but even below May's 42% voteshare in 2017, so while still ahead there would be a swing to Labour in England since 2019 with Labour up to 34% from 32% then
    Survation uses UK - rather than GB - data. The GB equvalent would be Con 41% Lab 35%.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031

    Police interrogators are taught not just to look for inconsistency in the stories given by suspects under interrogation, but to look for conspicuous consistency.

    The idea is that an innocent person, asked to recount events over and over again, will remember things slightly differently each time. A person who has something to hide is more likely to stick rigidly to a story that they have committed to memory. You don’t need to memorise the truth, you just remember it.

    When you hear a politician use near-identical words again and again it is a sign that they have practised and prepared that language....

    Twice in the last couple of days, once to STV’s Colin Mackay and again last night to ITV’s Robert Peston, Nicola Sturgeon used such carefully chosen language in response to questions about whether Scotland’s higher public spending, and the election promises it enables, would be affordable if we followed her lead and left the UK.


    https://notesonnationalism.substack.com/p/scotlands-share?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

    But surely that is standard operating procedure for politicians: learn a speech; repeat some slogans.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,377
    FTP CarlottaVance said:

    » show previous quotes
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt
    DavidL said:

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
    You're suggesting that @malcolmg is cultural? Wow. 😂
    David , I think the fool really fits his name and is Decrepit in mind at least.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,377
    DavidL said:

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
    You're suggesting that @malcolmg is cultural? Wow. 😂
    So good I will say it twice

    David , I think the fool really fits his name and is Decrepit in mind at least.
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    Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    Or possibly here was a fair and open competition which Microsoft won on merit, against a series of criteria and not just price....?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Police interrogators are taught not just to look for inconsistency in the stories given by suspects under interrogation, but to look for conspicuous consistency.

    The idea is that an innocent person, asked to recount events over and over again, will remember things slightly differently each time. A person who has something to hide is more likely to stick rigidly to a story that they have committed to memory. You don’t need to memorise the truth, you just remember it.

    When you hear a politician use near-identical words again and again it is a sign that they have practised and prepared that language....

    Twice in the last couple of days, once to STV’s Colin Mackay and again last night to ITV’s Robert Peston, Nicola Sturgeon used such carefully chosen language in response to questions about whether Scotland’s higher public spending, and the election promises it enables, would be affordable if we followed her lead and left the UK.


    https://notesonnationalism.substack.com/p/scotlands-share?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

    Yep. With the Iraqi WMD investigations, we always sought to push explanations to a level of detail where the prepared story would perforce break down or reach the "I don't remember" stonewall. For example, when discussing where work was done, we'd ask everyone individually to describe not just the layout of the facility, but the decor and furnishings. And for assessing honesty and comprehensiveness, we always looked for the surprise factor - the detail we had no inkling of before the account.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,083

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    Or possibly here was a fair and open competition which Microsoft won on merit, against a series of criteria and not just price....?
    Or based on this weeks events it seems more likely it depends on which Silicon Valley execs have which cabinet ministers mobile numbers.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,146
    TimT said:

    Police interrogators are taught not just to look for inconsistency in the stories given by suspects under interrogation, but to look for conspicuous consistency.

    The idea is that an innocent person, asked to recount events over and over again, will remember things slightly differently each time. A person who has something to hide is more likely to stick rigidly to a story that they have committed to memory. You don’t need to memorise the truth, you just remember it.

    When you hear a politician use near-identical words again and again it is a sign that they have practised and prepared that language....

    Twice in the last couple of days, once to STV’s Colin Mackay and again last night to ITV’s Robert Peston, Nicola Sturgeon used such carefully chosen language in response to questions about whether Scotland’s higher public spending, and the election promises it enables, would be affordable if we followed her lead and left the UK.


    https://notesonnationalism.substack.com/p/scotlands-share?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

    Yep. With the Iraqi WMD investigations, we always sought to push explanations to a level of detail where the prepared story would perforce break down or reach the "I don't remember" stonewall. For example, when discussing where work was done, we'd ask everyone individually to describe not just the layout of the facility, but the decor and furnishings. And for assessing honesty and comprehensiveness, we always looked for the surprise factor - the detail we had no inkling of before the account.
    That's fascinating. Cheers.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,687
    Great news on our domestic Novavax vaccine production.

    Billingham plant on track to make 60 million doses
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56836877

    I posted recently this very good article on the winding path that Novavax, up until last year a tiny company, has taken to enable mass production of the vaccine. We (or rather Fujifilm Diosynth...) seem(s) to be doing rather well.
    https://endpts.com/as-fears-mount-over-jj-and-astrazeneca-novavax-enters-a-shaky-spotlight/
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    DayTripperDayTripper Posts: 130

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    According to the Beeb the Met Office machine will be Cray and Azure. Don't quite see how that works, myself, but then I didn't realise Cray was owned by HPE. Too long out of the industry to keep up - 9 years behind the times now....
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    eekeek Posts: 25,448
    edited April 2021
    FPT
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,687
    Biden Preparing to Declare That Atrocities Against Armenia Were Genocide
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/us/politics/biden-armenia-genocide-turkey.html
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    FossFoss Posts: 703

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    According to the Beeb the Met Office machine will be Cray and Azure. Don't quite see how that works, myself, but then I didn't realise Cray was owned by HPE. Too long out of the industry to keep up - 9 years behind the times now....
    There's an Azure onsite option now. And all those field sensors have to push data somewhere.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,448
    edited April 2021

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    You need to look in the press release.

    It's going to be from memory a set of Cray computers hosted in Azure South West and I suspect machines will be added, updated and reassigned continually - which isn't a problem given how virtual everything is nowadays.

    This isn't a single computer in the old sense of things it's a multiple CPU, multiple box beast.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771
    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
    And round about 2030 when the Scottish government has its first default....

    But we will have our freedom. I am sure that will keep him warm (assuming the power still works).
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,083
    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
    Alternatively everyone in England could get their pensions paid by the Scottish government, and we pay theirs, if that is the Scottish preference?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,021
    malcolmg said:

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt .

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK it assumes responsibility for its own spending taxation and revenue. Are you suggesting you would remain a UK citizen in an independent Scotland and not take up Scottish citizenship? But live as a UK expat? You don't think they'll have thought of that? HMRC knows where you are and have been resident. Residents of Scotland will look to the government of Scotland for their pensions, no one else.

    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1384908501269590019?s=20
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
    And round about 2030 when the Scottish government has its first default....

    But we will have our freedom. I am sure that will keep him warm (assuming the power still works).
    I doubt you'll default.

    Just have major austerity and the abolition of all the freebies that had been awarded to buy votes. But they won't be needed anymore.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    Or possibly here was a fair and open competition which Microsoft won on merit, against a series of criteria and not just price....?
    Yes that is possible but what is Microsoft's record in supercomputing? They are outgunned by IBM, Dell and others.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#TOP_500

    According to the BBC report, the system will actually be from Cray, so what is Microsoft bringing to the party?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56840169

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    eekeek Posts: 25,448

    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
    Alternatively everyone in England could get their pensions paid by the Scottish government, and we pay theirs, if that is the Scottish preference?
    No one in England or Wales is going to want their pension paid in Scottish Grouts.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,448
    edited April 2021

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    Or possibly here was a fair and open competition which Microsoft won on merit, against a series of criteria and not just price....?
    Yes that is possible but what is Microsoft's record in supercomputing? They are outgunned by IBM, Dell and others.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#TOP_500

    According to the BBC report, the system will actually be from Cray, so what is Microsoft bringing to the party?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56840169

    Hosting and those costs will be considerable when you remember that things will constantly need to be replaced.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,835

    Oh FFS.

    Up to 30 countries could be on 'green' list for early summer holidays

    Hopes are rising that there will be many more holiday destinations on the Government's 'green' list for quarantine-free travel from May 17

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/22/30-countries-could-green-list-early-summer-holidays/

    Head, desk, thud, thud, thud....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,080
    Lol Boeing hasn't even had a succesful unmanned test flight of their Starliner capsule; and the latest attempt for that has been pushed back to late summer, meanwhile SpaceX will be on to their third (Officialy crew-2) manned flight on their own rocket tommorow.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,286
    DavidL said:

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
    You're suggesting that @malcolmg is cultural? Wow. 😂
    He is. It's just......
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    eekeek Posts: 25,448
    Pulpstar said:

    Lol Boeing hasn't even had a succesful unmanned test flight of their Starliner capsule; and the latest attempt for that has been pushed back to late summer, meanwhile SpaceX will be on to their third (Officialy crew-2) manned flight on their own rocket tommorow.

    I remember using that exact example yesterday when explaining why Dyson would want everyone sat in a single place..
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771
    TimT said:

    Police interrogators are taught not just to look for inconsistency in the stories given by suspects under interrogation, but to look for conspicuous consistency.

    The idea is that an innocent person, asked to recount events over and over again, will remember things slightly differently each time. A person who has something to hide is more likely to stick rigidly to a story that they have committed to memory. You don’t need to memorise the truth, you just remember it.

    When you hear a politician use near-identical words again and again it is a sign that they have practised and prepared that language....

    Twice in the last couple of days, once to STV’s Colin Mackay and again last night to ITV’s Robert Peston, Nicola Sturgeon used such carefully chosen language in response to questions about whether Scotland’s higher public spending, and the election promises it enables, would be affordable if we followed her lead and left the UK.


    https://notesonnationalism.substack.com/p/scotlands-share?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

    Yep. With the Iraqi WMD investigations, we always sought to push explanations to a level of detail where the prepared story would perforce break down or reach the "I don't remember" stonewall. For example, when discussing where work was done, we'd ask everyone individually to describe not just the layout of the facility, but the decor and furnishings. And for assessing honesty and comprehensiveness, we always looked for the surprise factor - the detail we had no inkling of before the account.
    There is a great story (well its about lawyers so its relatively great) of cross examination. There had been a horrible fire in a sweat shop in New York and many of the workers had burned to death because the fire escape doors were all locked. They were locked to stop anyone slipping outside for a quick fag. The owners were bang to rights and going down. One of the surviving workers gave evidence. She did so in the form of a statement that was detailed and heart wrenching. The defence agent listened. "Tell it again Annie," he said. She did word for word. "Tell it again Annie." She started off again. "Wait a minute, you missed a bit." " Oh, so I did."
    "No further questions."
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,021
    edited April 2021
    Update on the "EU to sue AstraZeneca story:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-preparing-legal-case-against-astrazeneca-over-vaccine-shortfalls/

    Further, some ambassadors warned that a lawsuit would further diminish citizens’ trust in the vaccine because it would sully the image of AstraZeneca, according to the diplomat. In "emotional terms," the diplomat said the Commission understandably wants to hit back at the vaccine producer over the delivery shortfalls — but added that the company is also needed in the global response against COVID-19.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,521

    malcolmg said:

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt .

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK it assumes responsibility for its own spending taxation and revenue. Are you suggesting you would remain a UK citizen in an independent Scotland and not take up Scottish citizenship? But live as a UK expat? You don't think they'll have thought of that? HMRC knows where you are and have been resident. Residents of Scotland will look to the government of Scotland for their pensions, no one else.

    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1384908501269590019?s=20
    Expats in the US, expats in Australia, people retaining dual citizenship ...
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,920

    malcolmg said:

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt .

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK it assumes responsibility for its own spending taxation and revenue. Are you suggesting you would remain a UK citizen in an independent Scotland and not take up Scottish citizenship? But live as a UK expat? You don't think they'll have thought of that? HMRC knows where you are and have been resident. Residents of Scotland will look to the government of Scotland for their pensions, no one else.

    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1384908501269590019?s=20
    I would have thought there may be an issue in any case during the post referendum negotiations with scottish citizens keeping uk citizenship. It would raise a possible point in the future where those in scotland can choose to move freely to the rump uk and work here but citizens from the rump uk did not have the same right to move and work in scotland. While I am all for scottish independence I certainly think that is something that would need to be considered.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,763

    Oh FFS.

    Up to 30 countries could be on 'green' list for early summer holidays

    Hopes are rising that there will be many more holiday destinations on the Government's 'green' list for quarantine-free travel from May 17

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/22/30-countries-could-green-list-early-summer-holidays/

    Head, desk, thud, thud, thud....
    Trips abroad are basically the main factor of a return to normal I am happy to sacrifice. Keen to, even.
    Now to some extent this is because I had no plans to go anyway. (
    But mainly it's that not going abroad doesn't make life feel not-normal in a way that virtually every other restriction does.
    And also it's virtually the only restriction which isn't a net negative for our economy (arguably).
    Who needs to go on holiday in a pandemic? I don't try to say this censoriously - I don't want to come across as one of those people who tuts at people for their indulgence in going to the park or talking to someone in the street. But really, what sort of a holiday is it going to be when you're all masked up for any activity and when half the places you want to go are limited or shut.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429
    I don't know if we're still doing awards on pb but I'd nominate @williamglenn for the wittiest poster of the year!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
    And round about 2030 when the Scottish government has its first default....

    But we will have our freedom. I am sure that will keep him warm (assuming the power still works).
    I doubt you'll default.

    Just have major austerity and the abolition of all the freebies that had been awarded to buy votes. But they won't be needed anymore.
    I think you seriously underestimate the extent of the delusion and sense of entitlement that has been engendered.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,769
    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.
    Surely he does have a point though. The pension is deferred salary.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,835

    Update on the "EU to sue AstraZeneca story:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-preparing-legal-case-against-astrazeneca-over-vaccine-shortfalls/

    Further, some ambassadors warned that a lawsuit would further diminish citizens’ trust in the vaccine because it would sully the image of AstraZeneca, according to the diplomat. In "emotional terms," the diplomat said the Commission understandably wants to hit back at the vaccine producer over the delivery shortfalls — but added that the company is also needed in the global response against COVID-19.

    Valneva scraps talks with EU bosses wanting to buy its Covid vaccine in another blow to the bloc's shambolic jab roll-out

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9498895/Covid-19-Valneva-scraps-talks-EU-bosses-wanting-buy-Covid-vaccine.html

    Absolute dickheads.
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    BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited April 2021

    Is this not the most French story ever?

    French winemakers ask for government to move them to front of vaccine queue as Covid destroys taste.

    The French wine industry has suffered heavy blows with the pandemic followed by severe frosts.

    French wine tasters have urged the government to prioritise them for vaccines after dozens were left unable to work when they lost their sense of smell and taste after being infected with Covid-19.

    In a survey of more than 2,600 wine workers, the Union of France Oenologists said nearly 70 per cent of those who contracted Covid-19 lost their sense of smell and over half lost their sense of taste, affecting their ability to do their job.

    "It's like asking a musician to play without his instrument," said Didier Fages, the union's director.

    As France's vaccination campaign picks up speed and workers deemed essential such as teachers and police officers get jabs, the body has written to Jean Castex, the prime minister, to demand that wine tasters be moved to the front of the queue for anti-Covid shots to protect their livelihoods.

    "Tasting is at the heart of the profession of the wine expert who makes the wine. At each stage from harvesting the grape to bottling, the appreciation of the quality of the wine and the resulting technical decisions go through tasting," Mr Fages said in the open letter.

    He asked the government to "consider measures to make access to vaccination easier," for oenologists.

    The survey added that 40 per cent of wine professionals whose senses were dulled during an infection did not recover their abilities fully. The loss of smell and taste, a common symptom of a Covid infection, could also affect professional chefs, perfume makers and others.

    Winemakers say subtler tastes are harder to detect after re-training their noses post-Covid, finding the aromas of dark fruits and berries are simple to detect, but those of mandarines and ripe citrus fruits are more elusive.

    France's multi-billion pound wine industry had already been affected by restaurant closures and lockdowns since the start of the pandemic. Exports to Britain and the US have been complicated by Brexit and by tariffs slapped on by the former Trump Administration.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/21/french-winemakers-ask-government-move-front-vaccine-queue-covid/

    This story of oenophile dismay seems to call for a cri de coeur couplet from Publius Covidius Naso:

    heu! gravius patimur sitiens quam Tantalus ipse:
    ---quid sapere adiuvit, cui nihil usque sapit?

    Alas! Our sufferings outdo the pangs of thirsty Tantalus himself:
    ---What good was it to be a man of taste who can taste naught at all?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    DavidL said:

    TimT said:

    Police interrogators are taught not just to look for inconsistency in the stories given by suspects under interrogation, but to look for conspicuous consistency.

    The idea is that an innocent person, asked to recount events over and over again, will remember things slightly differently each time. A person who has something to hide is more likely to stick rigidly to a story that they have committed to memory. You don’t need to memorise the truth, you just remember it.

    When you hear a politician use near-identical words again and again it is a sign that they have practised and prepared that language....

    Twice in the last couple of days, once to STV’s Colin Mackay and again last night to ITV’s Robert Peston, Nicola Sturgeon used such carefully chosen language in response to questions about whether Scotland’s higher public spending, and the election promises it enables, would be affordable if we followed her lead and left the UK.


    https://notesonnationalism.substack.com/p/scotlands-share?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy

    Yep. With the Iraqi WMD investigations, we always sought to push explanations to a level of detail where the prepared story would perforce break down or reach the "I don't remember" stonewall. For example, when discussing where work was done, we'd ask everyone individually to describe not just the layout of the facility, but the decor and furnishings. And for assessing honesty and comprehensiveness, we always looked for the surprise factor - the detail we had no inkling of before the account.
    There is a great story (well its about lawyers so its relatively great) of cross examination. There had been a horrible fire in a sweat shop in New York and many of the workers had burned to death because the fire escape doors were all locked. They were locked to stop anyone slipping outside for a quick fag. The owners were bang to rights and going down. One of the surviving workers gave evidence. She did so in the form of a statement that was detailed and heart wrenching. The defence agent listened. "Tell it again Annie," he said. She did word for word. "Tell it again Annie." She started off again. "Wait a minute, you missed a bit." " Oh, so I did."
    "No further questions."
    That is good.

    The other thing you have to fight in investigations is the individual's subconscious need to believe they acted properly. This leads to them re-writing their own role in a way that, even if it does not make them a hero, at least ensures they are not the villain. The problem with this is that much of this re-writing is subconscious, and so the narrator truly believes it. Which is why it is important to get onsite and collect witness accounts asap, before rationalization has had time to do its work.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031
    eek said:

    Re discussion of our new Met Office supercomputer, has anyone explained why Microsoft? The top American names in supercomputers are IBM, Dell and Cray, with IBM holding the two fastest Western systems. Is Microsoft giving us a hefty discount in order to enter the market or is it just that Microsoft is the only company our decision maker has heard of?

    Or possibly here was a fair and open competition which Microsoft won on merit, against a series of criteria and not just price....?
    Yes that is possible but what is Microsoft's record in supercomputing? They are outgunned by IBM, Dell and others.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#TOP_500

    According to the BBC report, the system will actually be from Cray, so what is Microsoft bringing to the party?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56840169

    Hosting and those costs will be considerable when you remember that things will constantly need to be replaced.
    This would be the ideal chance to revamp the British hosting industry. Where's Dominic Cummings when we need him?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.
    Surely he does have a point though. The pension is deferred salary.
    Percy:
    Do not despair! For I have some small savings carefully harvested from my weekly allowance, set aside against my frail old age. By lucky haps, it is just over a thousand, methinks, and for years has been hidden beyond the wit of any thief, in an old sock...

    Percy and Blackadder:
    ...under the squeaky floorboard...

    Percy, Blackadder and Baldrick:
    ...behind the kitchen dresser.

    Percy:
    [smiles uneasily] You've seen it, then.

    Blackadder:
    Seen it, pinched it, spent it! And the same goes for the two farthings Baldrick thinks he's got hidden inside that mouldy potato.

    Baldrick:
    Oh, bloody hell!
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,521
    Pagan2 said:

    malcolmg said:

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt .

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK it assumes responsibility for its own spending taxation and revenue. Are you suggesting you would remain a UK citizen in an independent Scotland and not take up Scottish citizenship? But live as a UK expat? You don't think they'll have thought of that? HMRC knows where you are and have been resident. Residents of Scotland will look to the government of Scotland for their pensions, no one else.

    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1384908501269590019?s=20
    I would have thought there may be an issue in any case during the post referendum negotiations with scottish citizens keeping uk citizenship. It would raise a possible point in the future where those in scotland can choose to move freely to the rump uk and work here but citizens from the rump uk did not have the same right to move and work in scotland. While I am all for scottish independence I certainly think that is something that would need to be considered.
    Surely it's inevitable under the UK Gmt doctrine that rUK and present UK are one and the same thing; pretty much any Scot alive today has UK citizenship automatically. You can't take people's passports away from them (well, you can, but it's not easy).

    Quite a few rUK citizens would have the right to move to Scotland under likely settlements, however - those born there or whose parents were born there.

    The other point is that in the last indyref HM Treasury said that all debts borne by present UK would be assumed by rUK (separate from whatever payment was agreed to HMT from Scotland). As rights to state pensions are defined on previous NI payments then any UK citizen with enough NI payments would simply claim that state pension. As if they were iving in Torremolinos.

    Of course, those arrangements could be superseded by negotiations.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,833
    Sleazy, broken Tories on the slide!
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,763

    malcolmg said:

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt .

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK it assumes responsibility for its own spending taxation and revenue. Are you suggesting you would remain a UK citizen in an independent Scotland and not take up Scottish citizenship? But live as a UK expat? You don't think they'll have thought of that? HMRC knows where you are and have been resident. Residents of Scotland will look to the government of Scotland for their pensions, no one else.

    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1384908501269590019?s=20
    Well this will be highly confusing in a lot of cases though. Presumably there are lots of people who have over the past 40 years been resident in Scotland at some times and elsewhere in the UK at other times. Whose responsibility are they? This is going to take some untangling.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    eek said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:
    I see Douglas Ross is reviving Cameron's "Hug a Hoodie" campaign.
    Alba are cruising for a bruising.
    Yesterday they were claiming that Scottish Pensioners could claim UK pensions as UK expats......
    Why not they paid for it, amount of money I have given the crooks over the years I would expect them to transfer a suitable amount of cash to pay for my state pension
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!
    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    Sorry Malcolmg that isn't going to be how it works

    Because it will be specified at some point in the referendum debates that the Scottish Government will be responsible for paying Scottish pensions going forward and by voting yes in the Referendum you will be agreeing that those Terms and Conditions.

    Great try but it won't wash, even Boris isn't that stupid.

    And yes you may have a contract with a Government but come independence no such thing as the UK Government will exist. There will be instead 2 separate Governments, a Scottish one (which you are subject to and are responsible for you pension) if you live in Scotland and a Rest of the UK one if you live outside Scotland.
    It never ceases to amaze how people blandly assume that there are no consequences when you transfer your sovereignty from a known to an unknown entity.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,920
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    malcolmg said:

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt .

    If Scotland votes to leave the UK it assumes responsibility for its own spending taxation and revenue. Are you suggesting you would remain a UK citizen in an independent Scotland and not take up Scottish citizenship? But live as a UK expat? You don't think they'll have thought of that? HMRC knows where you are and have been resident. Residents of Scotland will look to the government of Scotland for their pensions, no one else.

    https://twitter.com/kevverage/status/1384908501269590019?s=20
    I would have thought there may be an issue in any case during the post referendum negotiations with scottish citizens keeping uk citizenship. It would raise a possible point in the future where those in scotland can choose to move freely to the rump uk and work here but citizens from the rump uk did not have the same right to move and work in scotland. While I am all for scottish independence I certainly think that is something that would need to be considered.
    Surely it's inevitable under the UK Gmt doctrine that rUK and present UK are one and the same thing; pretty much any Scot alive today has UK citizenship automatically. You can't take people's passports away from them (well, you can, but it's not easy).

    Quite a few rUK citizens would have the right to move to Scotland under likely settlements, however - those born there or whose parents were born there.

    The other point is that in the last indyref HM Treasury said that all debts borne by present UK would be assumed by rUK (separate from whatever payment was agreed to HMT from Scotland). As rights to state pensions are defined on previous NI payments then any UK citizen with enough NI payments would simply claim that state pension. As if they were iving in Torremolinos.

    Of course, those arrangements could be superseded by negotiations.
    It could well be as you say all I am saying is I suspect it should form part of the negotiation as should who pays pensions
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Cookie said:

    Oh FFS.

    Up to 30 countries could be on 'green' list for early summer holidays

    Hopes are rising that there will be many more holiday destinations on the Government's 'green' list for quarantine-free travel from May 17

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/22/30-countries-could-green-list-early-summer-holidays/

    Head, desk, thud, thud, thud....
    Trips abroad are basically the main factor of a return to normal I am happy to sacrifice. Keen to, even.
    Now to some extent this is because I had no plans to go anyway. (
    But mainly it's that not going abroad doesn't make life feel not-normal in a way that virtually every other restriction does.
    And also it's virtually the only restriction which isn't a net negative for our economy (arguably).
    Who needs to go on holiday in a pandemic? I don't try to say this censoriously - I don't want to come across as one of those people who tuts at people for their indulgence in going to the park or talking to someone in the street. But really, what sort of a holiday is it going to be when you're all masked up for any activity and when half the places you want to go are limited or shut.
    Travel abroad is not just holidays. There are many people with family overseas that they have been unable to see for ages. I've got a 7 month old that my parents have only been able to see once since she was born. For them it is far most important for me to be able to come back to the UK for a visit than it is to eat in a pub. Different people have different definitions of what matters to them in terms of these restrictions. I don't go to festivals so go ahead and shut them all down for years, but for others that is exactly what they are looking forwards to.

    Of course, that has to be balanced with the risks involved, like all of these decisions, but closing the borders has more negative implications than just stopping brits getting a suntan abroad.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 25,031
    malcolmg said:

    FTP CarlottaVance said:

    » show previous quotes
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    DavidL said:

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
    You're suggesting that @malcolmg is cultural? Wow. 😂
    David , I think the fool really fits his name and is Decrepit in mind at least.
    Older PBers will recall that the distinction between economic and cultural independence movements was made by Salmond himself, as the difference between the Scottish and Welsh nationalists.
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    I can't believe the Green vote would ever be that high in a GE.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771

    malcolmg said:

    FTP CarlottaVance said:

    » show previous quotes
    Pensions are paid out of current revenues.

    Those will be taxes raised (and then some) in an independent Scotland.

    There isn't a safety deposit box somewhere with bundles of notes marked "Malc's pension"!

    It matters not a jot how they pay it, I have a contract with UK government , I paid them shedloads of cash for a state pension product and regardless they cannot just wish it away. They will have to either pay it or negotiate a settlement with Scotland that Scotland accepts the liability for UK 's debt

    DavidL said:

    I can believe it that Salmond doesn't get elected. Despite the large ALBA and YES signs in his garden I literally haven't seen any support for him displayed openly at all.

    Was ALBA a good choice of party name? I'd have thought confusion with the television channel of the same name, which broadcasts in Scots-Gaelic, mainly to the Highlands and Islands, was unhelpful because it suggests, at least at the subliminal level, that Salmond heads an old-fashioned, cultural, heritage-based party rather than a modern economic movement.
    You're suggesting that @malcolmg is cultural? Wow. 😂
    David , I think the fool really fits his name and is Decrepit in mind at least.
    Older PBers will recall that the distinction between economic and cultural independence movements was made by Salmond himself, as the difference between the Scottish and Welsh nationalists.
    Ah, but that was back in the days when money was pouring in from the North Sea, wasn't it?
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