The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
Point of order, remainers and rejoiners aren't necessarily the same people.
Quite. About 50% are Remainers. Only about 25% are Rejoiners. The other 25% want a closer relationship with the EU but recognise that we are not going to rejoin any time soon.
These two groupings need to work together for a closer relationship. The danger is that they accuse one another. "Traitors" say the Rejoiners to the non-rejoining Remainers. "Un-democratic idealists" say the non-rejoining Remainers to the Rejoiners.
Statistician's quote "Over the past three months, we've seen people become increasingly positive about the COVID-19 vaccines, with over nine in ten adults saying they would have it if offered, or having already had it. Of those who are hesitant about receiving the vaccine, it’s younger and black adults who are most likely to say this, with concerns around side effects, long term effects and how well the vaccine works being the most common reasons."
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Don't worry, means you're producing antibodies. John Campbell reckons they're best produced at high body temperatures so if you're able don't paracetomol the fever. Hopefully you'll be right as rain soon.
Oh mate, how do you do it? A week over Xmas was too much for me.
I've done it for the last eight years.
It is great when you have kids and your parents dote on them 24/7.
#168HoursWorthOfFreeChildcareAWeek
I think my wife would divorce me on the spot if I suggested it, I'd probably need to be checked into a mental hospital too. Not that my parents are horrible people, they aren't and are very good hosts to everyone who stays and dealt with having us and my sister's family over at the same time this Christmas. I just couldn't ever imagine having to love with them in their house ever again. It's been about 10 years since I moved out and bought my first flat in Shepherd's Bush. I remember the many people if PB telling me to go for it at the time despite fears of taking on a big mortgage etc...
When we were moving into my current house, my fiancee moved out into living with my parents whilst I lived with a friend (Both for work/animal care reasons), and visited my parents/fiancee on the weekends. It worked out well for the ~ 3 months or so of the arrangement, certainly it was prefferred by my parents from my brother's entire clan moving in with them ! I could move back in with my folks if I had to, I think it's different if you're a couple though certainly for anything other than the short term.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
There's another quite possible distant future ; once the older generations are no longer there, who are extremely likely to be behind the 'issues' Markle was raising, they may come back from the USA.
The ancient soap opera, for some, and for others, touchstone, will most likely continue, I think.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
It may be for some people and it gets the place some PR and a photo in the paper but for an awful lot of people it's meh - and that meh is going to be a far large percentage of the population once the Queen has gone.
For that is what the Royal Family is going to have to fight against - they need to make Harry into something far worse than he actually is as at the moment to a lot of people Harry is just someone who wants a normal life and not being told what he can do and who he can talk to.
Either way we aren't going to agree things here but I suspect once the Queen has gone William won't be King in the way the Queen is. Changes will occur.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
Point of order, remainers and rejoiners aren't necessarily the same people.
Quite. About 50% are Remainers. Only about 25% are Rejoiners. The other 25% want a closer relationship with the EU but recognise that we are not going to rejoin any time soon.
These two groupings need to work together for a closer relationship. The danger is that they accuse one another. "Traitors" say the Rejoiners to the non-rejoining Remainers. "Un-democratic idealists" say the non-rejoining Remainers to the Rejoiners.
Is that true or is that an oversimplification?
I suspect that the 48% will be split between rejoinders, closer relationship and those who have accepted the result and are happy with the new relationship.
Especially since at least some of that 48% would be people who don't want to rock the boat so will back the new status quo just as they backed the old one.
Set against that there will be some former Leavers who would prefer a closer relationship.
Oh mate, how do you do it? A week over Xmas was too much for me.
I've done it for the last eight years.
It is great when you have kids and your parents dote on them 24/7.
#168HoursWorthOfFreeChildcareAWeek
I think my wife would divorce me on the spot if I suggested it, I'd probably need to be checked into a mental hospital too. Not that my parents are horrible people, they aren't and are very good hosts to everyone who stays and dealt with having us and my sister's family over at the same time this Christmas. I just couldn't ever imagine having to love with them in their house ever again. It's been about 10 years since I moved out and bought my first flat in Shepherd's Bush. I remember the many people if PB telling me to go for it at the time despite fears of taking on a big mortgage etc...
We lived with my in-laws for six weeks when we moved to Yorkshire (my job had started, but the house we liked most to rent wasn't available for a few more weeks). I got on fine with it, but my wife had definitely had enough by the time we moved out. I wouldn't have wanted to spend six weeks living with my parents!
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
It was a blessing. There are rules about weddings, especially when using an Archbishop’s Licence (I happy to know the rules as we had to get a special licence from ++Cantab for our wedding)
I think HMQ (and even Charles) is well-respected across the Commonwealth. Many of its representatives will be baffled by these accusations of racism, which won't have chimed with their experiences. Furthermore, I think the way Harry and Meghan have conducted themselves hasn't endeared them to many this side of the pond, so I think the monarchy is safe.
I wouldn't strip titles, despite there being something of a case for it now, as that would just play into their hands.
I wonder if the Royal Marriages Act should be amended, though; to prohibit royals marrying Americans.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
It's a policy that has jacked up house prices and made it harder for people who actually need to buy houses to buy them (it's done a great job for those already owning them, which is pointless, they already own a home) vs a policy to pay our nursing staff properly for a job they've done superbly and without complaint over the last year and beyond.
It's obvious to anyone what a better use of the money was.
How does removing a tax on buyers make it harder for a buyer to buy their house? 🙄
Because the sellers simply raise their prices, which they can. Because the buyers aren't buying with their own money, they're buying with a maxed out mortgage. Combine that with a reduction in interest rates and all you've done is raise the price of property while forcing new buyers to take on more debt. That is exactly what has happened.
All of these government 'initiatives' - Help to Buy, LISAs and stamp duty cuts - simply push up prices as described previously.
What we need is to 'encourage' the Buy To Let and other multiple home owner community to release their properties with a fair and equitable tax system on these people, who have had so many tax breaks in the past: - 5% stamp duty loading on acquisition of a second/BTL property (I know we have 3% now) - 3% capital charge PER YEAR - no tax relief on interest paid to buy BTL - double Council Tax on a second property - any capital gain taxed at 40%
That will 'encourage' these people to release these properties! Lots more supply. Prices fall, chance for renters and other aspirant buyers to buy.
Let's do it!
We did this last week.
As a policy, that will do untold damage to the marginal and less well-off members of the community, particularly very significant numbers who cannot access credit.
And in favour of relatively richer people.
It is crazy.
The unholy alliance between the rich and the poor.
The obvious solution has and always will be to increase interest rates slowly to c.3-4% to reduce the profitability of BTL.
Where will the human beings you are proposing to make homeless live?
Ummm, in houses/flats like they do now?
For every BTL property sold to a first time buyer, that's one less person competing in the rental sector.
You don't understand how housing occupation works.
The rental sector is far more densely occupied than the Owner Occupied sector, so when you move X people from the rental sector to OO - by whatever mechanism you are using to close down rental - you need a lot more houses.
I posted the stats the other day. These are in the English Housing Survey.
Nearly Half of OO houses are underoccupied - the official stat is 2 or more spare bedrooms.
For rental that is under 10%.
Therefore you are creating a lot of people with nowhere to live - homeless.
And you need to have a policy where you will put the people you are making homeless.
Do you think, then, that we actually need more rental properties and should aim to have fewer people getting on the ladder?
It's not a zero sum game. We need a sufficient rental supply, and a sufficient OO supply.
I find it strange that the argument for "we need more houses to bring prices down" sits alongside "make renting more expensive", when the latter is occupied by people less well off than the former. And when many millions of them do not have the opportunity to buy.
Complex issue. And it won't be moved forward by simplistic policies.
Unfortunately politicians are on the whole useless on this, and make a bigger mess every time tehy stick an oar in.
One thing I would say is to tilt policy towards increasing household size, which is down significantly since even the 1970s/1980s. But there are a lot of other nuances.
So you are against the bedroom tax then?
I'm not clear what that has to do with people being made homeless if you turn rental homes 1:1 into owner occupied. That was just a disaster which would be caused by the policy suggested.
The principle that a home being contributed to by the state being the size of accommodation needed for the household it is being funded for seems appropriate.
There are obvs wrinkles at the edges, and perhaps on the implementation, but the basic principle seems sound.
The weird thing I found with the 'Bedroom Tax' was that it was aiui essentially bringing PRS in the Social Sector HB into line with what had existed for years in the PRS, and all those bodies (Shelter and so on) yammering about how evil it all was appeared to care far more for the politics than the actual people - otherwise they would have said something about HB in the PRS years earlier. As far as I am aware they did not - though open to correction as it is some time ago.
Rental homes have 1 family in them (unless they are housing of multiple occupation which is a different matter).
And how does a rental home with 1 family in it becoming a owner occupied home with 1 family in it change the dynamics of the rental market. Demand for rental housing drops by 1 house, supply of rental housing also drops by 1 house - in a market with x million rental properties the impact is always zero.
The entire nation does not live in "families".
And HMOs are part of the same housing market in the same housing stock. 2 or 3 sharing in a normal small terrace is very common, for example. And that is leaving aside larger HMOs.
Plus when people buy a flat or a small house they have a greater tendency to live alone. Someone moving from a shared house to their own illustrates the trend.
And therefore OO requires more housing stock per person on average than rental, and therefore more overall.
Those are the measured statistics by the gold standard survey.
The EHS and reports from people like Kate Faulkner are essential background reading for framing housing policy.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
CURRENT Tory policy, and likely to be such for a long time. I was definitely a "remainer", but I don't think rejoining is a good idea.
I don't think one can easily define what being a Tory is or isn't, as it has changed immeasurably over the years. Brexit itself is essentially anti-Tory if you base Toryism on what it was 20 years ago, simply because Brexit is so anti big business, and provably economically self damaging. I still regard myself as essentially Conservative even though I have given up my membership, and while I am not really republican, but I am definitely not pro Royal Family, which I consider an essentially ludicrous anachronism, though I am not in favour of its abolition because I think abolition, like Brexit, is essentially pointless. The one thing Conservatism should be about, is the prevention of unnecessary and pointless change.
OT: If Liz Truss, (or even Sunak) does replace the Fat Clown, I would consider rejoining.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
I was just wondering what else was on the check list that either disbarred one or was essential to call yourself a Tory.
I mean I know I am going to fail if for no other reason that I find conventional Tories too authoritarian with (heaven forbid) socialist tendencies.
Either way we aren't going to agree things here but I suspect once the Queen has gone William won't be King in the way the Queen is. Changes will occur.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Edit - And I notice you've gone all Corbynite calling unimpeachable facts 'smears.'
The smear was the implied motivation you ascribed for the Quern’s decision. That’s not a fact.
Well the person who dealt with the Queen implied as much, she would know better than you.
As a lawyer, I'm sure you're well aware that bitter people allege all kinds of things, without such allegations necessarily being correct.
As far as I can tell, it appears Meghan thought she could have her cake and eat it, was shocked when she was told "no", and then drew the conclusion that must be down to institutional stuffiness and racism.
I think HMQ (and even Charles) is well-respected across the Commonwealth. Many of its representatives will be baffled by these accusations of racism, which won't have chimed with their experiences. Furthermore, I think the way Harry and Meghan have conducted themselves hasn't endeared them to many this side of the pond, so I think the monarchy is safe.
I wouldn't strip titles, despite there being something of a case for it now, as that would just play into their hands.
I wonder if the Royal Marriages Act should be amended, though; to prohibit royals marrying Americans.
Really?
Comments like slitty eyes and put in by an Indian are remembered and so is the Queen's lack of condemnation.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Is it permitted to vote Tory while being a republican? Asking for a friend.
Being a republican is fine. Just don't dare to have alternative views on fois gras though....
He and his wife wanted to be Royals, with a capital R, while also being celebrities. They wanted the privilege but not the responsibilities.
If they'd just decided to leave there would've been sadness at their departure, but understanding too. Instead they had to choose between money and freedom, or being full-time Royals with the workload that comes with that.
Now they're deciding to dish dirt, which may or may not be fictional.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
It may be for some people and it gets the place some PR and a photo in the paper but for an awful lot of people it's meh - and that meh is going to be a far large percentage of the population once the Queen has gone.
For that is what the Royal Family is going to have to fight against - they need to make Harry into something far worse than he actually is as at the moment to a lot of people Harry is just someone who wants a normal life and not being told what he can do and who he can talk to.
Either way we aren't going to agree things here but I suspect once the Queen has gone William won't be King in the way the Queen is. Changes will occur.
Absolutely.
Especially spending months leaking and attempting to destroy the reputation of someone who has been struggling with their mental health is an ugly look. And we've seen a lot of it on this site, some of the misogynistic and ugly stuff I've seen written by just a tiny minority of people here is deeply unpleasant.
In the 2020s we're supposed to take mental health etc much more seriously than it was in the past. I think the Firm have royally screwed the pooch with this one.
The institution would have been better off ignoring Harry and Meghan at least until they spoke, not trying to fight fire with fire preemptively.
It will be interesting to see if there's any change in the behaviour from some of our tabloid trash.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
CURRENT Tory policy, and likely to be such for a long time. I was definitely a "remainer", but I don't think rejoining is a good idea.
I don't think one can easily define what being a Tory is or isn't, as it has changed immeasurably over the years. Brexit itself is essentially anti-Tory if you base Toryism on what it was 20 years ago, simply because Brexit is so anti big business, and provably economically self damaging. I still regard myself as essentially Conservative even though I have given up my membership, and while I am not really republican, but I am definitely not pro Royal Family, which I consider an essentially ludicrous anachronism, though I am not in favour of its abolition because I think abolition, like Brexit, is essentially pointless. The one thing Conservatism should be about, is the prevention of unnecessary and pointless change.
OT: If Liz Truss, (or even Sunak) does replace the Fat Clown, I would consider rejoining.
I'm not sure. About rejoining. The party has moved so far to the "right" (albeit they are spending like sailors on shore leave atm) that the culture is one that is largely alien to me now.
Not saying if the personnel change I wouldn't vote for them, but to rejoin? The era of "my" type of Conservatives (Cam, Osborne, Rudd, etc) has gone seemingly not to be replaced.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
It was a blessing. There are rules about weddings, especially when using an Archbishop’s Licence (I happy to know the rules as we had to get a special licence from ++Cantab for our wedding)
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
The first night I woke at 2am almost at the point of having a panic attack because the chills/shakes/convulsions were so bad. Couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days. Bang on 48 hrs after the jab I snapped back close to normal though felt tired for a few days more. Not looking forward to the second dose much but England expects every man must do his duty and all that.
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Sorry to hear that but am sure it will pass
My wife and I had our second Pfizer vaccinations yesterday and became listless quite quickly but after a night's sleep feeling better but the arm is quite sore
Thanks. I couldn't sleep. Not a wink. I think that has made it all feel much worse. Hopefully I will start to come around later today.
I am sure you will, it is not pleasant for you but the gains will be worth it
I have no doubt. Although I'm now not at all looking forward to the second bout of this in 12 weeks time.
Don't tell me they are doing another interview.....☹☹☹☹
I think HMQ (and even Charles) is well-respected across the Commonwealth. Many of its representatives will be baffled by these accusations of racism, which won't have chimed with their experiences. Furthermore, I think the way Harry and Meghan have conducted themselves hasn't endeared them to many this side of the pond, so I think the monarchy is safe.
I wouldn't strip titles, despite there being something of a case for it now, as that would just play into their hands.
I wonder if the Royal Marriages Act should be amended, though; to prohibit royals marrying Americans.
Really?
Comments like slitty eyes and put in by an Indian are remembered and so is the Queen's lack of condemnation.
We all know about Philip. He's 100 years old, of a totally different generation, and isn't going to change.
I could well believe he might speculate about the colour of their child privately to Harry. He might have thought he was being humorous, and Harry might have winced, and I can understand why Harry would never want to name him as a result, particularly given his health.
But, that's just speculation and, if that's the only example he (they) have, I don't like the way it's being used to smear the whole institution which has worked really hard to make all races and backgrounds feel welcome.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Don't worry, means you're producing antibodies. John Campbell reckons they're best produced at high body temperatures so if you're able don't paracetomol the fever. Hopefully you'll be right as rain soon.
Oh mate, how do you do it? A week over Xmas was too much for me.
I've done it for the last eight years.
It is great when you have kids and your parents dote on them 24/7.
#168HoursWorthOfFreeChildcareAWeek
I think my wife would divorce me on the spot if I suggested it, I'd probably need to be checked into a mental hospital too. Not that my parents are horrible people, they aren't and are very good hosts to everyone who stays and dealt with having us and my sister's family over at the same time this Christmas. I just couldn't ever imagine having to love with them in their house ever again. It's been about 10 years since I moved out and bought my first flat in Shepherd's Bush. I remember the many people if PB telling me to go for it at the time despite fears of taking on a big mortgage etc...
When we were moving into my current house, my fiancee moved out into living with my parents whilst I lived with a friend (Both for work/animal care reasons), and visited my parents/fiancee on the weekends. It worked out well for the ~ 3 months or so of the arrangement, certainly it was prefferred by my parents from my brother's entire clan moving in with them ! I could move back in with my folks if I had to, I think it's different if you're a couple though certainly for anything other than the short term.
Thanks. I haven't resorted to paracetomol yet. I'm generally of the view that if your body is at a high temperature there's probably a good reason - try not to reduce it unless it becomes dangerous.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
CURRENT Tory policy, and likely to be such for a long time. I was definitely a "remainer", but I don't think rejoining is a good idea.
I don't think one can easily define what being a Tory is or isn't, as it has changed immeasurably over the years. Brexit itself is essentially anti-Tory if you base Toryism on what it was 20 years ago, simply because Brexit is so anti big business, and provably economically self damaging. I still regard myself as essentially Conservative even though I have given up my membership, and while I am not really republican, but I am definitely not pro Royal Family, which I consider an essentially ludicrous anachronism, though I am not in favour of its abolition because I think abolition, like Brexit, is essentially pointless. The one thing Conservatism should be about, is the prevention of unnecessary and pointless change.
OT: If Liz Truss, (or even Sunak) does replace the Fat Clown, I would consider rejoining.
I'm not sure that the Conservative Party entirely knows what it is anymore, either. This isn't unique to the Tories, ofcourse, but many older parties in the western world ; Labour and the Liberal Democrats have the same problem, as does the French Socialist Party.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
CURRENT Tory policy, and likely to be such for a long time. I was definitely a "remainer", but I don't think rejoining is a good idea.
I don't think one can easily define what being a Tory is or isn't, as it has changed immeasurably over the years. Brexit itself is essentially anti-Tory if you base Toryism on what it was 20 years ago, simply because Brexit is so anti big business, and provably economically self damaging. I still regard myself as essentially Conservative even though I have given up my membership, and while I am not really republican, but I am definitely not pro Royal Family, which I consider an essentially ludicrous anachronism, though I am not in favour of its abolition because I think abolition, like Brexit, is essentially pointless. The one thing Conservatism should be about, is the prevention of unnecessary and pointless change.
OT: If Liz Truss, (or even Sunak) does replace the Fat Clown, I would consider rejoining.
I'm not sure. About rejoining. The party has moved so far to the "right" (albeit they are spending like sailors on shore leave atm) that the culture is one that is largely alien to me now.
Not saying if the personnel change I wouldn't vote for them, but to rejoin? The era of "my" type of Conservatives (Cam, Osborne, Rudd, etc) has gone seemingly not to be replaced.
Parties can change fairly quickly with a change of leadership. Essentially the leadership has changed very recently; Carrie has replaced Dom. Not sure it is a lot better for as long as the Fat Clown is the figurehead, but I still think (hope?) it is only a matter of time before he opts to spend more time with his family . Oh, hang on, not sure that works........?
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Did you have covid at any point in the last year? Getting worse effects of the vaccine is definitely linked to have already had it. I had only mild effects from the AZ jab, but I think I may get a stronger reaction to the second dose (late April).
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
I think what shocked Meghan, and there are quotations saying similar things from the interview in The Times today, was that the reality of the monarchy was different to the fairytale image they have in the States.
It has a clear hierarchy and is about duty and service, not privilege and luxury.
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Don't worry, means you're producing antibodies. John Campbell reckons they're best produced at high body temperatures so if you're able don't paracetomol the fever. Hopefully you'll be right as rain soon.
Oh mate, how do you do it? A week over Xmas was too much for me.
I've done it for the last eight years.
It is great when you have kids and your parents dote on them 24/7.
#168HoursWorthOfFreeChildcareAWeek
I think my wife would divorce me on the spot if I suggested it, I'd probably need to be checked into a mental hospital too. Not that my parents are horrible people, they aren't and are very good hosts to everyone who stays and dealt with having us and my sister's family over at the same time this Christmas. I just couldn't ever imagine having to love with them in their house ever again. It's been about 10 years since I moved out and bought my first flat in Shepherd's Bush. I remember the many people if PB telling me to go for it at the time despite fears of taking on a big mortgage etc...
When we were moving into my current house, my fiancee moved out into living with my parents whilst I lived with a friend (Both for work/animal care reasons), and visited my parents/fiancee on the weekends. It worked out well for the ~ 3 months or so of the arrangement, certainly it was prefferred by my parents from my brother's entire clan moving in with them ! I could move back in with my folks if I had to, I think it's different if you're a couple though certainly for anything other than the short term.
Thanks. I haven't resorted to paracetomol yet. I'm generally of the view that if your body is at a high temperature there's probably a good reason - try not to reduce it unless it becomes dangerous.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
I assume that Yougov measure the popularity of royals in the same way they measure the popularity of politicians.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
I think what shocked Meghan, and there are quotations saying similar things from the interview in The Times today, was that the reality of the monarchy was different to the fairytale image they have in the States.
It has a clear hierarchy and is about duty and service, not privilege and luxury.
And have you come to that opinion from what she said?
Or a predetermined dislike of her before she spoke?
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Can you be a remainer and be a Tory?
Of course, see Ted Heath or John Major or Theresa May or David Cameron or Jeremy Hunt
No you can't. Being a remainer means that you want to join the EU. That is directly contradictory to Tory party policy.
Point of order, remainers and rejoiners aren't necessarily the same people.
Quite. About 50% are Remainers. Only about 25% are Rejoiners. The other 25% want a closer relationship with the EU but recognise that we are not going to rejoin any time soon.
These two groupings need to work together for a closer relationship. The danger is that they accuse one another. "Traitors" say the Rejoiners to the non-rejoining Remainers. "Un-democratic idealists" say the non-rejoining Remainers to the Rejoiners.
Is that true or is that an oversimplification?
I suspect that the 48% will be split between rejoinders, closer relationship and those who have accepted the result and are happy with the new relationship.
Especially since at least some of that 48% would be people who don't want to rock the boat so will back the new status quo just as they backed the old one.
Set against that there will be some former Leavers who would prefer a closer relationship.
It is an oversimplification as you have just demonstrated.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
You don’t know that they were “concerns”. I could imagine someone of a certain generation asking what colour the child of a white/mixed couple would be. It’s gauche and offensive certainly, but possibly not quite as it has been painted.
But it has been presented in a particularly wounding and damaging way. Almost as if it was designed to attract ratings.
Well, I am simply repeating what I have read in this morning's paper. You seem slightly too keen to jump in and defend it with no more evidence than I have. It's rather like you are wishing it away.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Edit - And I notice you've gone all Corbynite calling unimpeachable facts 'smears.'
The smear was the implied motivation you ascribed for the Quern’s decision. That’s not a fact.
Well the person who dealt with the Queen implied as much, she would know better than you.
As a lawyer, I'm sure you're well aware that bitter people allege all kinds of things, without such allegations necessarily being correct.
As far as I can tell, it appears Meghan thought she could have her cake and eat it, was shocked when she was told "no", and then drew the conclusion that must be down to institutional stuffiness and racism.
This is pretty much my read, as someone who has not seen the interview, does not read the Mail, and is struggling to see what all the controversy is about.
I was expecting a bombshell and there is nothing here apart from some tawdry laundry-waving.
I don’t think any family is perfect. Certainly, mine isn’t.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
It was a blessing. There are rules about weddings, especially when using an Archbishop’s Licence (I happy to know the rules as we had to get a special licence from ++Cantab for our wedding)
Only on pb.com would you get that contribution!
Peak Charles. Right down to the “++”.
Cantuar, not Cantab, I'd have thought. Special Licences aren't that elite though- we had to have one to get married in the College Chapel, and I think they have to go through the Archbish.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
Nah Sean is quite right. The number of people in the UK who will have their view on the monarchy changed by this is tiny. This wasn't even for the UK market. The couple have burnt all their bridges here already. This was purely for the sake of their new home country - hence the predictable and obvious accusations of racism. It is straight out of the PR playbook.
Any British republicans who were hoping this was going to change opinion in the UK are going to be sadly disappointed.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Link please - or do you make the rules?
The Tory Party was founded as the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry as opposed to the Whigs (the ancestors of the Liberals), the party of merchants and nonconformists
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Liz Truss, in the Cabinet, isn't a Tory? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's a policy that has jacked up house prices and made it harder for people who actually need to buy houses to buy them (it's done a great job for those already owning them, which is pointless, they already own a home) vs a policy to pay our nursing staff properly for a job they've done superbly and without complaint over the last year and beyond.
It's obvious to anyone what a better use of the money was.
How does removing a tax on buyers make it harder for a buyer to buy their house? 🙄
Because the sellers simply raise their prices, which they can. Because the buyers aren't buying with their own money, they're buying with a maxed out mortgage. Combine that with a reduction in interest rates and all you've done is raise the price of property while forcing new buyers to take on more debt. That is exactly what has happened.
All of these government 'initiatives' - Help to Buy, LISAs and stamp duty cuts - simply push up prices as described previously.
What we need is to 'encourage' the Buy To Let and other multiple home owner community to release their properties with a fair and equitable tax system on these people, who have had so many tax breaks in the past: - 5% stamp duty loading on acquisition of a second/BTL property (I know we have 3% now) - 3% capital charge PER YEAR - no tax relief on interest paid to buy BTL - double Council Tax on a second property - any capital gain taxed at 40%
That will 'encourage' these people to release these properties! Lots more supply. Prices fall, chance for renters and other aspirant buyers to buy.
Let's do it!
We did this last week.
As a policy, that will do untold damage to the marginal and less well-off members of the community, particularly very significant numbers who cannot access credit.
And in favour of relatively richer people.
It is crazy.
The unholy alliance between the rich and the poor.
The obvious solution has and always will be to increase interest rates slowly to c.3-4% to reduce the profitability of BTL.
Where will the human beings you are proposing to make homeless live?
Ummm, in houses/flats like they do now?
For every BTL property sold to a first time buyer, that's one less person competing in the rental sector.
You don't understand how housing occupation works.
The rental sector is far more densely occupied than the Owner Occupied sector, so when you move X people from the rental sector to OO - by whatever mechanism you are using to close down rental - you need a lot more houses.
I posted the stats the other day. These are in the English Housing Survey.
Nearly Half of OO houses are underoccupied - the official stat is 2 or more spare bedrooms.
For rental that is under 10%.
Therefore you are creating a lot of people with nowhere to live - homeless.
And you need to have a policy where you will put the people you are making homeless.
I don't have a particular view on BTL (I've rented privately in the past, now homeowner; when renting I was in a position to choose my house and landlord and not take any nonsense).
However, the logic in the above is, well, lacking.
Many owned houses are under-occupied because people buy family homes and don't necessarily move when the family moves out. For switch from rental to owned for the same housing stock to suddenly leave masses of homeless you need to argue that a family renting a house at full occupancy is, on buying a house, suddenly going to decide they want two houses to ensure spare rooms. Sure, they may desire a bigger house when buying (with an eye on a family/larger family in the future) but as demand won't have dropped they'll be priced into buying what they need.
There is the area of houses of multiple occupancy - students, single young workers - where these groups would be unlikely to buy together (although that does happen). These groups are not generally going to want to commit to ownership and will remain in the rental sector and/or one buyer with subletting/lodging.
You are missing the point that the family renting the house at full occupancy is unlikely to be in a position to buy a house at all else they probably would have done so.
All it does is shrink the amount of houses that are available to rent for those that for whatever reason can't buy.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Liz Truss republicanism/HYUFD remainerism.
You are either both Tories or neither of you are.
Liz Truss is an ex LD on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party, as I said she is not a Tory
Rental homes have 1 family in them (unless they are housing of multiple occupation which is a different matter).
And how does a rental home with 1 family in it becoming a owner occupied home with 1 family in it change the dynamics of the rental market. Demand for rental housing drops by 1 house, supply of rental housing also drops by 1 house - in a market with x million rental properties the impact is always zero.
No, because the population is constantly evolving with new people being born and growing up to need somewhere to live, and older people dying. If you have a policy that gradually shifts rented accommodation to accommodation for sale, the pool of rented homes for the next cohort shrinks (other things being equal).
The effect can be seen in council housing. The pool of council housing shrinks every year because people exercise their right to buy. In due course, the buyers move on and buy somewhere else, and the property becomes free - but only for people able to buy.
It's possible to argue for this to happen on the grounds that you believe that as many people as possible should own their homes, as you think it makes society more stable or more Conservative-voting or any other worthy or less worthy aim. But it does make life harder for the nearly half of the population who really can't afford to buy or who (like me) don't want to, so even if one thinks it's a good thing the downside should be acknowledged.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
It was a blessing. There are rules about weddings, especially when using an Archbishop’s Licence (I happy to know the rules as we had to get a special licence from ++Cantab for our wedding)
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Liz Truss republicanism/HYUFD remainerism.
You are either both Tories or neither of you are.
Liz Truss is an ex LD on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party, as I said she is not a Tory
It's a policy that has jacked up house prices and made it harder for people who actually need to buy houses to buy them (it's done a great job for those already owning them, which is pointless, they already own a home) vs a policy to pay our nursing staff properly for a job they've done superbly and without complaint over the last year and beyond.
It's obvious to anyone what a better use of the money was.
How does removing a tax on buyers make it harder for a buyer to buy their house? 🙄
Because the sellers simply raise their prices, which they can. Because the buyers aren't buying with their own money, they're buying with a maxed out mortgage. Combine that with a reduction in interest rates and all you've done is raise the price of property while forcing new buyers to take on more debt. That is exactly what has happened.
All of these government 'initiatives' - Help to Buy, LISAs and stamp duty cuts - simply push up prices as described previously.
What we need is to 'encourage' the Buy To Let and other multiple home owner community to release their properties with a fair and equitable tax system on these people, who have had so many tax breaks in the past: - 5% stamp duty loading on acquisition of a second/BTL property (I know we have 3% now) - 3% capital charge PER YEAR - no tax relief on interest paid to buy BTL - double Council Tax on a second property - any capital gain taxed at 40%
That will 'encourage' these people to release these properties! Lots more supply. Prices fall, chance for renters and other aspirant buyers to buy.
Let's do it!
We did this last week.
As a policy, that will do untold damage to the marginal and less well-off members of the community, particularly very significant numbers who cannot access credit.
And in favour of relatively richer people.
It is crazy.
The unholy alliance between the rich and the poor.
The obvious solution has and always will be to increase interest rates slowly to c.3-4% to reduce the profitability of BTL.
Where will the human beings you are proposing to make homeless live?
Ummm, in houses/flats like they do now?
For every BTL property sold to a first time buyer, that's one less person competing in the rental sector.
You don't understand how housing occupation works.
The rental sector is far more densely occupied than the Owner Occupied sector, so when you move X people from the rental sector to OO - by whatever mechanism you are using to close down rental - you need a lot more houses.
I posted the stats the other day. These are in the English Housing Survey.
Nearly Half of OO houses are underoccupied - the official stat is 2 or more spare bedrooms.
For rental that is under 10%.
Therefore you are creating a lot of people with nowhere to live - homeless.
And you need to have a policy where you will put the people you are making homeless.
Do you think, then, that we actually need more rental properties and should aim to have fewer people getting on the ladder?
It's not a zero sum game. We need a sufficient rental supply, and a sufficient OO supply.
I find it strange that the argument for "we need more houses to bring prices down" sits alongside "make renting more expensive", when the latter is occupied by people less well off than the former. And when many millions of them do not have the opportunity to buy.
Complex issue. And it won't be moved forward by simplistic policies.
Unfortunately politicians are on the whole useless on this, and make a bigger mess every time tehy stick an oar in.
One thing I would say is to tilt policy towards increasing household size, which is down significantly since even the 1970s/1980s. But there are a lot of other nuances.
So you are against the bedroom tax then?
I'm not clear what that has to do with people being made homeless if you turn rental homes 1:1 into owner occupied. That was just a disaster which would be caused by the policy suggested.
The principle that a home being contributed to by the state being the size of accommodation needed for the household it is being funded for seems appropriate.
There are obvs wrinkles at the edges, and perhaps on the implementation, but the basic principle seems sound.
The weird thing I found with the 'Bedroom Tax' was that it was aiui essentially bringing PRS in the Social Sector HB into line with what had existed for years in the PRS, and all those bodies (Shelter and so on) yammering about how evil it all was appeared to care far more for the politics than the actual people - otherwise they would have said something about HB in the PRS years earlier. As far as I am aware they did not - though open to correction as it is some time ago.
Rental homes have 1 family in them (unless they are housing of multiple occupation which is a different matter).
And how does a rental home with 1 family in it becoming a owner occupied home with 1 family in it change the dynamics of the rental market. Demand for rental housing drops by 1 house, supply of rental housing also drops by 1 house - in a market with x million rental properties the impact is always zero.
The entire nation does not live in "families".
And HMOs are part of the same housing market in the same housing stock. 2 or 3 sharing in a normal small terrace is very common, for example. And that is leaving aside larger HMOs.
Plus when people buy a flat or a small house they have a greater tendency to live alone. Someone moving from a shared house to their own illustrates the trend.
And therefore OO requires more housing stock per person on average than rental, and therefore more overall.
Those are the measured statistics by the gold standard survey.
The EHS and reports from people like Kate Faulkner are essential background reading for framing housing policy.
My understanding is that there is a large chunk of the population who are living fewer to a household than was the case 30 years ago. We have an ageing population, and old people tend to live one or two to a house, whereas families live three or four to a house. So a house which 30 years ago was lived in by four people is now lived in by two people. Thus, for a moderate population increase we have had a large increase in the number of households.
There is some churn at both ends of this of course - for example old people selling family homes and moving to smaller houses and flats - but not enough to offset the demographic change.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
I assume that Yougov measure the popularity of royals in the same way they measure the popularity of politicians.
I assume so too.
And the popularity of politicians changes over time does it not?
How does the polling in the past determine how what was said last night will be taken? Unless you're saying the public will be closed minded and not give a fair or considered response to what was said?
Just as an aside, is anyone here into esports (either watching or betting)? Just curious.
I do a lot of translation for one of the sponsors (paysafecard), so I'm exposed to it indirectly and understand what's happening. I'm vaguely tempted to get into it as I've always been into any kind of desktop gaming and the prizes for the championships are insane, but I gather that you really need youthful reflexes to get to the top.
On a clear day I can trace my decent from the Princes of Gwynedd through an unbroken succession of chamber maids, call girls and bored farmers' wives and it says much for my personal integrity that I chose to turn my back on this glorious inheritance to scrape a feeble living as a semi-successful hack. I am reconciled to my fate, but the one thing that pisses me off is when a motley crew of Greeks and Germans insist on calling themselves Prince of Wales.
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
The first night I woke at 2am almost at the point of having a panic attack because the chills/shakes/convulsions were so bad. Couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days. Bang on 48 hrs after the jab I snapped back close to normal though felt tired for a few days more. Not looking forward to the second dose much but England expects every man must do his duty and all that.
Wife was laid up with bad chills & headache about 12 hours after the jab. Resorted to a single paracetamol in the end, despite being aware of the possible immunity implications. After 36 hours she seems a lot better.
I got the chills after about 16 hours but nothing quite that bad, although they are lasting a bit longer.
I know the rumours are that the second Pfizer does is worse than the first, but I'm not sure about AstraZeneca/Oxford. Might be different?
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
It was a blessing. There are rules about weddings, especially when using an Archbishop’s Licence (I happy to know the rules as we had to get a special licence from ++Cantab for our wedding)
Only on pb.com would you get that contribution!
Peak Charles. Right down to the “++”.
It made me chuckle. Bless.
It's pure laziness.
++Cantab is far shorter than Archbishop of Canterbury.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Link please - or do you make the rules?
The Tory Party was founded as the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry as opposed to the Whigs (the ancestors of the Liberals), the party of merchants and nonconformists
And that party died and was abolished and replaced.
Now a Tory is a supporter or member of the Conservative Party. Not a party that died and was buried hundreds of years ago.
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Did you have covid at any point in the last year? Getting worse effects of the vaccine is definitely linked to have already had it. I had only mild effects from the AZ jab, but I think I may get a stronger reaction to the second dose (late April).
I had some of the symptoms in Feb 2020 but was denied a test at the time of course. My antibody test came back negative - on this basis I was given the vax early. I think what we’re seeing is one of two things. Either many more people caught the virus without realising, or else there’s a bigger pool of preexisting immunity that we need to learn more about.
I suspect the biggest takeaway in much of the world from the Meghan interview will be her remarks that she was struggling with her mental health and feeling suicidal . . . and the monarchy and the press response in advance has been to try and character assassinate her through leaking things like "bullying allegations" that are many years old and date to when she was known to be struggling with her mental health.
That does not look good at all and makes the institution and its sycophantic admirers look cruel.
Discretion would have been the better part of valour, not saying anything at all until she spoke rather than building it up with all sorts of character assassination attempts first that magnify and play into what she has now said.
Two cheeks of the same arse, you have no idea who is the lying toerag. Two bit actor acting the part, who gives a hoot. They ought to bog off and enjoy spending their millions ponced off using the royal name and give us a rest.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Link please - or do you make the rules?
The Tory Party was founded as the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry as opposed to the Whigs (the ancestors of the Liberals), the party of merchants and nonconformists
Do you think it is possible that the Tory party has changed over the years and is no longer "the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry"?
How do the leaflets headed "the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry" go down in red wall seats?
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Liz Truss republicanism/HYUFD remainerism.
You are either both Tories or neither of you are.
Liz Truss is an ex LD on the liberal wing of the Conservative Party, as I said she is not a Tory
Then, sadly, neither are you.
Of course I am, the Tory Party was founded as a monarchist party, it was not founded as an anti EU Party unlike say UKIP or the Brexit Party.
Indeed the Tory leader just 6 years ago led the campaign to stay in the EU.
The fact Brexit has now been delivered and the EU referendum result respected does not change that
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Liz Truss, in the Cabinet, isn't a Tory? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
I assume that Yougov measure the popularity of royals in the same way they measure the popularity of politicians.
I assume so too.
And the popularity of politicians changes over time does it not?
How does the polling in the past determine how what was said last night will be taken? Unless you're saying the public will be closed minded and not give a fair or considered response to what was said?
It's a vicious cycle. The less popular you are, the less people will be inclined to listen to you, or to believe you. That can be unfair, for politicians, royals, or celebrities.
People can turn unpopularity around, but the monarchy itself is a popular institution, and criticising the royal family is almost certainly not the way to go about achieving that tournaround.
To the general public, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex lead leaves of great privilege - and complaints on the part of people who lead lives of great privilege are not well-received.
It's a policy that has jacked up house prices and made it harder for people who actually need to buy houses to buy them (it's done a great job for those already owning them, which is pointless, they already own a home) vs a policy to pay our nursing staff properly for a job they've done superbly and without complaint over the last year and beyond.
It's obvious to anyone what a better use of the money was.
How does removing a tax on buyers make it harder for a buyer to buy their house? 🙄
Because the sellers simply raise their prices, which they can. Because the buyers aren't buying with their own money, they're buying with a maxed out mortgage. Combine that with a reduction in interest rates and all you've done is raise the price of property while forcing new buyers to take on more debt. That is exactly what has happened.
All of these government 'initiatives' - Help to Buy, LISAs and stamp duty cuts - simply push up prices as described previously.
What we need is to 'encourage' the Buy To Let and other multiple home owner community to release their properties with a fair and equitable tax system on these people, who have had so many tax breaks in the past: - 5% stamp duty loading on acquisition of a second/BTL property (I know we have 3% now) - 3% capital charge PER YEAR - no tax relief on interest paid to buy BTL - double Council Tax on a second property - any capital gain taxed at 40%
That will 'encourage' these people to release these properties! Lots more supply. Prices fall, chance for renters and other aspirant buyers to buy.
Let's do it!
We did this last week.
As a policy, that will do untold damage to the marginal and less well-off members of the community, particularly very significant numbers who cannot access credit.
And in favour of relatively richer people.
It is crazy.
The unholy alliance between the rich and the poor.
The obvious solution has and always will be to increase interest rates slowly to c.3-4% to reduce the profitability of BTL.
Where will the human beings you are proposing to make homeless live?
Ummm, in houses/flats like they do now?
For every BTL property sold to a first time buyer, that's one less person competing in the rental sector.
You don't understand how housing occupation works.
The rental sector is far more densely occupied than the Owner Occupied sector, so when you move X people from the rental sector to OO - by whatever mechanism you are using to close down rental - you need a lot more houses.
I posted the stats the other day. These are in the English Housing Survey.
Nearly Half of OO houses are underoccupied - the official stat is 2 or more spare bedrooms.
For rental that is under 10%.
Therefore you are creating a lot of people with nowhere to live - homeless.
And you need to have a policy where you will put the people you are making homeless.
I don't have a particular view on BTL (I've rented privately in the past, now homeowner; when renting I was in a position to choose my house and landlord and not take any nonsense).
However, the logic in the above is, well, lacking.
Many owned houses are under-occupied because people buy family homes and don't necessarily move when the family moves out. For switch from rental to owned for the same housing stock to suddenly leave masses of homeless you need to argue that a family renting a house at full occupancy is, on buying a house, suddenly going to decide they want two houses to ensure spare rooms. Sure, they may desire a bigger house when buying (with an eye on a family/larger family in the future) but as demand won't have dropped they'll be priced into buying what they need.
There is the area of houses of multiple occupancy - students, single young workers - where these groups would be unlikely to buy together (although that does happen). These groups are not generally going to want to commit to ownership and will remain in the rental sector and/or one buyer with subletting/lodging.
You are missing the point that the family renting the house at full occupancy is unlikely to be in a position to buy a house at all else they probably would have done so.
All it does is shrink the amount of houses that are available to rent for those that for whatever reason can't buy.
The argument goes that if BTL becomes less attractive then more of those houses are sold. To sell, they have to reach people who would otherwise rent, so in this simple view the price drops to the level at which the renting family can now buy. Also, for a house newly for sale, BTL is less attractive, so there are fewer BTL competing with the owner occupiers to buy.
Now, that's clearly an oversimplification. If the value drops then keeping the house to rent out has to become even more unattractive to make the lower selling value the best option etc etc.
The question, which is not easily answered, is whether current levels of BTL are good or bad for society as a whole. If bad, then make it less attractive. If good then stay the same or make more attractive. I note again, that when I rented it was because I did not want to buy, not that I was unable to buy (I was in an area and knew I would be in an area for a relatively short time and didn't want the hassle of ownership) so I certainly don't want to see private landlords disappear. I was merely pointing out that the argument put forward by Matt assumed causation where there is only correlation. It's like saying that people who own homes tend to be older, so if you increase home ownership then everyone will get old.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
It was only yesterday that the Royals and their sycophantic adherents were assuring us that nobody would even take any notice of the interview as they'd be preoccupied with the children going back to school.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Link please - or do you make the rules?
The Tory Party was founded as the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry as opposed to the Whigs (the ancestors of the Liberals), the party of merchants and nonconformists
The Whigs at certain times also became a party of Liberal aristocrats against the gentry. This is an interesting part of British history that's often overlooked because it's uncomfortable for both left and right. If you take a late-nineteenth century like Charles Dilke and his wife, who was a feminist-art historian-trade unionist who were essentially Whig aristocrats who helped pave the way for the Labour party, you can see why it was uncomfortable for orthodox Marxists and reactionaries alike.
I think HMQ (and even Charles) is well-respected across the Commonwealth. Many of its representatives will be baffled by these accusations of racism, which won't have chimed with their experiences. Furthermore, I think the way Harry and Meghan have conducted themselves hasn't endeared them to many this side of the pond, so I think the monarchy is safe.
I wouldn't strip titles, despite there being something of a case for it now, as that would just play into their hands.
I wonder if the Royal Marriages Act should be amended, though; to prohibit royals marrying Americans.
Really?
Comments like slitty eyes and put in by an Indian are remembered and so is the Queen's lack of condemnation.
They don't think any better of the white plebs , they are racist about everyone. Nasty lot all together.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Liz Truss, who is a Conservative secretary of state, is not a Tory.
I'm not really interested in the "he said, she said" stuff as we've only heard one side of the story, but that claim that they were already married struck me as quite a big deal, as if true it would land the Archbishop of Canterbury in very hot water.
The Queen's uncle was a Nazi sympathiser, Her Majesty herself used to do Nazi salutes, is it any surprise she didn't offer her first non white great-grandchild a title like she did for the Aryan looking Charlotte and Louis?
That’s a very unpleasant smear
Shame on you
Sorry Charles, the royal family has made both Diana, Princess of Wales, and the Duchess of Sussex have suicidal thoughts (and in the former's case, attempt to kill herself.)
This is a failing organisation led by an out of touch person, the Queen needs to go lest we do see an outsider end up killing themselves thanks to the rules of the 'firm.'
If this was any other organisation it would be called a failing institution with the police involved.
Utter rubbish, as to be expected by a non Tory republican like you.
Never have a seen I more pathetic example of narcissism and self indulgence from these 2 multi millionaires than seems to be the case with this interview.
Trashing in public the family who made them (with the exception of the Queen knowing full way if they attacked her that would destroy them), trashing Prince Charles despite all the funds they received from the Duchy of Cornwall. Factually wrong too, as Archie is not the son of an heir to the throne he by definition could not be a prince but he got a title as Earl of Dumbarton which they then renounced when they abandoned their royal duties.
I wish never to see or hear from this pair ever again and may they be exiled from these shores never to set foot here again. They are the 21st century Duke and Duchess of Windsor without the class!
BIB - I see you missed the Prince Andrew interview in 2019 then?
Also, I noticed last week you said Boris Johnson was a social democrat, so in your head he's as much as a Tory as me!
You can effectively be a social democrat, as distinct from being a socialist and still be a Tory, see Macmillan for example who effectively governed as a social democrat as Boris largely is now.
You cannot however be a republican and be a Tory.
Is there a checklist so one can check whether one is a Tory or not?
If you a republican you can be a centre right liberal but you cannot be a Tory, it is logically impossible, to be a Tory you have to be a monarchist
Eh? Liz Truss is a republican and she is in the Tory cabinet!
Liz Truss is not a Tory, she is a centre right liberal.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Surely by that definition, Churchill wasn't a Tory as he was a Liberal for a time? And Cecil Parkinson canvassed for Labour in the 1950s.
Thinking people develop their views over time and experiment politically as youngsters. It's utterly ludicrous to label someone as "not a Tory" for life because they were a Lib Dem at university, or republican at one time. She was, and changed her mind.
Two days after my AZ/Oxford jab and I am feeling dreadful. Had a real bad night - fever, chills, terrible muscle pains and severe headache.
I knew there were some fever like effects for a day or so. But this has poleaxed me. Anyone else had a bad reaction? How many days does this last?
Did you have covid at any point in the last year? Getting worse effects of the vaccine is definitely linked to have already had it. I had only mild effects from the AZ jab, but I think I may get a stronger reaction to the second dose (late April).
I had some of the symptoms in Feb 2020 but was denied a test at the time of course. My antibody test came back negative - on this basis I was given the vax early. I think what we’re seeing is one of two things. Either many more people caught the virus without realising, or else there’s a bigger pool of preexisting immunity that we need to learn more about.
There will also be natural variation in people's response to the vaccine. Generally you want a response of some kind - I laugh at those who seem to think its a badge of honour not to get side effects, when in reality it might suggest a poorer than optimum immune system.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
Just a minor private backyard wedding with the Archbishop of Canterbury, then effectively a service of Thanksgiving at Windsor Castle with the Archbishop too
It was a blessing. There are rules about weddings, especially when using an Archbishop’s Licence (I happy to know the rules as we had to get a special licence from ++Cantab for our wedding)
Only on pb.com would you get that contribution!
Peak Charles. Right down to the “++”.
Cantuar, not Cantab, I'd have thought. Special Licences aren't that elite though- we had to have one to get married in the College Chapel, and I think they have to go through the Archbish.
I don't think a Special License can remove the Witnesses, Register or Public Service requirements.
I have been very impressed with LIz Truss and she has enhanced her claim to the top spot
On the Megan interview I have to say it is very damaging to both sides and nobody can be sure how this pans out but I expect it will be extremely divisive
I am more than surprised that they were married 3 days before their lavish wedding ceremony and that was not known at the time of the ceremony
I do expect it ends their connection and titles with the Royal Family and it is certain changes will come about following the Queen's passing
They weren’t married 3 days before (except in their hearts).
It’s fine then wanting to say private vows. Expecting ++Cantab to officiate is a little pretentious
They were married three days before, not that it matters one jot. It’s fairly common nowadays.
For me, the explosive revelations are that the family had “concerns” about the colour of their child’s skin. I hadn’t expected that. It is horrific.
It's that last bit that both doesn't surprise but still leaves me wondering who was stupid enough to say it outside beyond the obvious suspect of Princess Michael of Kent.
Besides being very racist it is very dumb when meghan markle is pretty pale anyway, even a racist should calm down but they are not known for such.
It is very clever not to say who it was. Could be anyone, possibly very senior, so tars the lot and sets up a sequel. I'd have assumed phillip making a poor joke.
It's interesting to read twitter and David Allen Green's viewpoints.
This seems to sum things up as well and is my viewpoint
Once the Queen has gone a Republic or a very slimed down Family is the future. Sadly the latter was already in progress until Charles and William scared away the most useful part of it.
Check out the list of Royal engagements (published by some nuttermonarchist archivist in The Times each year). Hundreds and hundreds overall.
When some institution or other gets a visit from a member of the Royal Family it is a matter of huge anticipation and excitement.
Meanwhile, there are not that many working royals.
Not sure what slimming down ou are expecting, save to get rid of Sandringham/Balmoral perhaps saving a few quid.
The only people who will take the side of Harry and Meghan are those who dislike the monarchy anyway. Both of them have seen their popularity drop markedly with the general public, according to Yougov.
You are HYUFD and I claim £5.
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
Nah Sean is quite right. The number of people in the UK who will have their view on the monarchy changed by this is tiny. This wasn't even for the UK market. The couple have burnt all their bridges here already. This was purely for the sake of their new home country - hence the predictable and obvious accusations of racism. It is straight out of the PR playbook.
Any British republicans who were hoping this was going to change opinion in the UK are going to be sadly disappointed.
There's more than just the UK that has Her Majesty as head of state. There are 16 countries that do. Many of the 16 do not have a white majority too.
This won't just be playing out in the UK but in Jamaica and other countries too. The terrible way Meghan has been treated both in the past and this week will not have endeared the monarchy to Jamaicans and others I suspect.
Oh mate, how do you do it? A week over Xmas was too much for me.
I've done it for the last eight years.
It is great when you have kids and your parents dote on them 24/7.
#168HoursWorthOfFreeChildcareAWeek
Yes, it's an entire social model in many countries - a major reason why many Chinese are able to retire on full pension at 50-55 (and conversely why Chinese childcare facilities are limited). I was brought up on it (because my mother was from a Russian background) and my parents lived with me until they died, by which time I was 49. It has pros and cons but requires flexibility - my father said that he came to feel about me as a younger brother, and I remember him with undiluted affection. As a child, my mother grew up in a two-storey house with three generations, one on each floor, giving some privacy but meaning that there was always someone available if needed.
The model is becoming less common even in Eastern Europe and Asia, as greater mobility encourages the youngsters to grab opportunities in other towns and countries where the parents can't easily follow, and that's creating problems as the social institutions designed to fit the old model are not altogether adequate.
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These two groupings need to work together for a closer relationship. The danger is that they accuse one another. "Traitors" say the Rejoiners to the non-rejoining Remainers. "Un-democratic idealists" say the non-rejoining Remainers to the Rejoiners.
https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1368857063691026434?s=20
Statistician's quote
"Over the past three months, we've seen people become increasingly positive about the COVID-19 vaccines, with over nine in ten adults saying they would have it if offered, or having already had it. Of those who are hesitant about receiving the vaccine, it’s younger and black adults who are most likely to say this, with concerns around side effects, long term effects and how well the vaccine works being the most common reasons."
Hopefully you'll be right as rain soon. When we were moving into my current house, my fiancee moved out into living with my parents whilst I lived with a friend (Both for work/animal care reasons), and visited my parents/fiancee on the weekends.
It worked out well for the ~ 3 months or so of the arrangement, certainly it was prefferred by my parents from my brother's entire clan moving in with them !
I could move back in with my folks if I had to, I think it's different if you're a couple though certainly for anything other than the short term.
The ancient soap opera, for some, and for others, touchstone, will most likely continue, I think.
I will add this
https://twitter.com/garius/status/1368857269316780039
For that is what the Royal Family is going to have to fight against - they need to make Harry into something far worse than he actually is as at the moment to a lot of people Harry is just someone who wants a normal life and not being told what he can do and who he can talk to.
Either way we aren't going to agree things here but I suspect once the Queen has gone William won't be King in the way the Queen is. Changes will occur.
I suspect that the 48% will be split between rejoinders, closer relationship and those who have accepted the result and are happy with the new relationship.
Especially since at least some of that 48% would be people who don't want to rock the boat so will back the new status quo just as they backed the old one.
Set against that there will be some former Leavers who would prefer a closer relationship.
I wouldn't strip titles, despite there being something of a case for it now, as that would just play into their hands.
I wonder if the Royal Marriages Act should be amended, though; to prohibit royals marrying Americans.
And HMOs are part of the same housing market in the same housing stock. 2 or 3 sharing in a normal small terrace is very common, for example. And that is leaving aside larger HMOs.
Plus when people buy a flat or a small house they have a greater tendency to live alone. Someone moving from a shared house to their own illustrates the trend.
And therefore OO requires more housing stock per person on average than rental, and therefore more overall.
Those are the measured statistics by the gold standard survey.
The EHS and reports from people like Kate Faulkner are essential background reading for framing housing policy.
I don't think one can easily define what being a Tory is or isn't, as it has changed immeasurably over the years. Brexit itself is essentially anti-Tory if you base Toryism on what it was 20 years ago, simply because Brexit is so anti big business, and provably economically self damaging. I still regard myself as essentially Conservative even though I have given up my membership, and while I am not really republican, but I am definitely not pro Royal Family, which I consider an essentially ludicrous anachronism, though I am not in favour of its abolition because I think abolition, like Brexit, is essentially pointless. The one thing Conservatism should be about, is the prevention of unnecessary and pointless change.
OT: If Liz Truss, (or even Sunak) does replace the Fat Clown, I would consider rejoining.
I mean I know I am going to fail if for no other reason that I find conventional Tories too authoritarian with (heaven forbid) socialist tendencies.
https://twitter.com/MarshallGradyT/status/1368523068461772802?s=20
Comments like slitty eyes and put in by an Indian are remembered and so is the Queen's lack of condemnation.
He and his wife wanted to be Royals, with a capital R, while also being celebrities. They wanted the privilege but not the responsibilities.
If they'd just decided to leave there would've been sadness at their departure, but understanding too. Instead they had to choose between money and freedom, or being full-time Royals with the workload that comes with that.
Now they're deciding to dish dirt, which may or may not be fictional.
Especially spending months leaking and attempting to destroy the reputation of someone who has been struggling with their mental health is an ugly look. And we've seen a lot of it on this site, some of the misogynistic and ugly stuff I've seen written by just a tiny minority of people here is deeply unpleasant.
In the 2020s we're supposed to take mental health etc much more seriously than it was in the past. I think the Firm have royally screwed the pooch with this one.
The institution would have been better off ignoring Harry and Meghan at least until they spoke, not trying to fight fire with fire preemptively.
It will be interesting to see if there's any change in the behaviour from some of our tabloid trash.
Not saying if the personnel change I wouldn't vote for them, but to rejoin? The era of "my" type of Conservatives (Cam, Osborne, Rudd, etc) has gone seemingly not to be replaced.
Right down to the “++”.
I could well believe he might speculate about the colour of their child privately to Harry. He might have thought he was being humorous, and Harry might have winced, and I can understand why Harry would never want to name him as a result, particularly given his health.
But, that's just speculation and, if that's the only example he (they) have, I don't like the way it's being used to smear the whole institution which has worked really hard to make all races and backgrounds feel welcome.
Presumably the date of legal marriage is a matter of public record - it'll be in the parish records of wherever?
Have Yougov polled people who have had time to process what has been said? Or just the briefings, attacks and leaks against them prior to them speaking?
It felt robbed of dramatic tension. It was almost as boring as the Monaco Grand Prix.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1368861882916933632?s=20
It has a clear hierarchy and is about duty and service, not privilege and luxury.
Hence she was originally in the Liberal Democrats (though I note even Truss seems to have quietly dropped her republicanism since becoming a Tory Cabinet Minister)
Or a predetermined dislike of her before she spoke?
I was expecting a bombshell and there is nothing here apart from some tawdry laundry-waving.
I don’t think any family is perfect. Certainly, mine isn’t.
Any British republicans who were hoping this was going to change opinion in the UK are going to be sadly disappointed.
All it does is shrink the amount of houses that are available to rent for those that for whatever reason can't buy.
You are either both Tories or neither of you are.
The monarchy survives by being above such things.
The effect can be seen in council housing. The pool of council housing shrinks every year because people exercise their right to buy. In due course, the buyers move on and buy somewhere else, and the property becomes free - but only for people able to buy.
It's possible to argue for this to happen on the grounds that you believe that as many people as possible should own their homes, as you think it makes society more stable or more Conservative-voting or any other worthy or less worthy aim. But it does make life harder for the nearly half of the population who really can't afford to buy or who (like me) don't want to, so even if one thinks it's a good thing the downside should be acknowledged.
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all
Thus, for a moderate population increase we have had a large increase in the number of households.
There is some churn at both ends of this of course - for example old people selling family homes and moving to smaller houses and flats - but not enough to offset the demographic change.
And the popularity of politicians changes over time does it not?
How does the polling in the past determine how what was said last night will be taken? Unless you're saying the public will be closed minded and not give a fair or considered response to what was said?
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1368864043201626113
I got the chills after about 16 hours but nothing quite that bad, although they are lasting a bit longer.
I know the rumours are that the second Pfizer does is worse than the first, but I'm not sure about AstraZeneca/Oxford. Might be different?
++Cantab is far shorter than Archbishop of Canterbury.
Now a Tory is a supporter or member of the Conservative Party. Not a party that died and was buried hundreds of years ago.
They walk among us.
The central accusation, that someone speculated crassly on a future child’s skin colour, is incredibly dull.
How do the leaflets headed "the party of the Court and the crown and the Church of England and the landed gentry" go down in red wall seats?
Indeed the Tory leader just 6 years ago led the campaign to stay in the EU.
The fact Brexit has now been delivered and the EU referendum result respected does not change that
Hmm.
For playing, that may be the case, although you'd make quite the splash if you ended up in a top team!
"And today the 19 year old Koreans have announced their retirement after the quintet of former British MPs destroyed them at League of Legends."
People can turn unpopularity around, but the monarchy itself is a popular institution, and criticising the royal family is almost certainly not the way to go about achieving that tournaround.
To the general public, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex lead leaves of great privilege - and complaints on the part of people who lead lives of great privilege are not well-received.
Now, that's clearly an oversimplification. If the value drops then keeping the house to rent out has to become even more unattractive to make the lower selling value the best option etc etc.
The question, which is not easily answered, is whether current levels of BTL are good or bad for society as a whole. If bad, then make it less attractive. If good then stay the same or make more attractive. I note again, that when I rented it was because I did not want to buy, not that I was unable to buy (I was in an area and knew I would be in an area for a relatively short time and didn't want the hassle of ownership) so I certainly don't want to see private landlords disappear. I was merely pointing out that the argument put forward by Matt assumed causation where there is only correlation. It's like saying that people who own homes tend to be older, so if you increase home ownership then everyone will get old.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/07/974534021/remembering-allan-mcdonald-he-refused-to-approve-challenger-launch-exposed-cover?t=1615196584905&t=1615198634692
What is Baroness Chakrabarti up to nowadays?
https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1368487330563100675
Liz Truss, who is a Conservative secretary of state, is not a Tory.
A true, 'only on PB' moment.
Thinking people develop their views over time and experiment politically as youngsters. It's utterly ludicrous to label someone as "not a Tory" for life because they were a Lib Dem at university, or republican at one time. She was, and changed her mind.
/nerd
https://twitter.com/RupertMyers/status/1368864112701214720?s=20
How we empathise as they scrape by on a couple of million a year and create all that press attention they dont want.
This won't just be playing out in the UK but in Jamaica and other countries too. The terrible way Meghan has been treated both in the past and this week will not have endeared the monarchy to Jamaicans and others I suspect.
The model is becoming less common even in Eastern Europe and Asia, as greater mobility encourages the youngsters to grab opportunities in other towns and countries where the parents can't easily follow, and that's creating problems as the social institutions designed to fit the old model are not altogether adequate.