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edited December 2020 in General
The Georgia run-offs – almost as important as the Presidential election itself – politicalbetting.com

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  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,662
    First ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,392
    https://twitter.com/EmmaVardyTV/status/1341141575997513729
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Second like Trump
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Lets hope the GOP lose the senate and Biden has the power to make some changes. Good grief they're needed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,392
    CarlottaVance said:

    Second like Trump

    Loser!!!!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,662
    There will be plenty of time to get our revenge on the perfidious French.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/EmmaVardyTV/status/1341141575997513729

    Thought they were anti a border in the Irish Sea?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/EmmaVardyTV/status/1341141575997513729

    Aren't Christmas overnight stays banned in NI too?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Emerson absolutely nailed Georgia In November.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    rottenborough said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Second like Trump

    Loser!!!!
    FAKE NEWS!!!!! I WON HUGELY
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    edited December 2020
    Most of the latest polls in Georgia show the Republicans holding onto both Senate seats and their Senate majority, though one has the Democrats ahead.

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1338993983213752320?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1339460403173179392?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1340006832593506304?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1340834584511082498?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1341046361060306944?s=20

    In which case if the GOP do hold the seats and the Senate Biden will be the first President to enter office in January without his party in control of both chambers of Congress since Bush Snr in 1989 and there would be confirmation that the election in November was merely a vote to replace Trump, there was no desire for an unchecked Democratic majority or any shift left in the US from the average US voter. Biden could still use executive orders but beyond that have little mandate for any further change and be able to get much through the GOP Senate even if he can get it through the Democratic controlled House.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    Alistair said:

    Emerson absolutely nailed Georgia In November.

    In which case the GOP will hold the seats
    'https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1339460403173179392?s=20
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    squareroot2 said:

    There will be plenty of time to get our revenge on the perfidious French.

    Didn't we ban Danish lorries for a short time a little while back. I wonder if they are quietly plotting to make us repeatedly step barefoot on Lego.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Shifting Trump out the White House was THE big incentive to get Dem voters out in big numbers in November. Senate races in January? Maybe not so much....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Pro_Rata said:

    squareroot2 said:

    There will be plenty of time to get our revenge on the perfidious French.

    Didn't we ban Danish lorries for a short time a little while back. I wonder if they are quietly plotting to make us repeatedly step barefoot on Lego.
    We closed them down over their mink mutation, so...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.

    There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.

    And Irish.

    Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
    If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
    Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it

    Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
    Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
    Like how it resolved BSE?
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.

    There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.

    And Irish.

    Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
    If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
    Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it

    Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
    Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
    Like how it resolved BSE?
    It took you more than a quarter of an hour to come up with that. Must try harder.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    rottenborough said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Second like Trump

    Loser!!!!
    He obviously won by a landslide :wink:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    edited December 2020
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    but...but...but....we should wait until February before we do any lockdowns, to see if that modelling is a load of bollocks.

    Because er, Boris....Christmas....u-turn....clown......
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    MarqueeMark said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    but...but...but....we should wait until February before we do any lockdowns, to see if that modelling is a load of bollocks.

    Because er, Boris....Christmas....u-turn....clown......
    Good to see you defending the indefensible.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,396
    MarqueeMark said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    but...but...but....we should wait until February before we do any lockdowns, to see if that modelling is a load of bollocks.

    Because er, Boris....Christmas....u-turn....clown......
    False positives...Sweden...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Jonathan said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.

    There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.

    And Irish.

    Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
    If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
    Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it

    Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
    Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
    Like how it resolved BSE?
    It took you more than a quarter of an hour to come up with that. Must try harder.
    You got zingered.

    We feel your pain.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    Where our prime minister leads...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    MarqueeMark said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    but...but...but....we should wait until February before we do any lockdowns, to see if that modelling is a load of bollocks.

    Because er, Boris....Christmas....u-turn....clown......
    Or more likely starting about dec 28th...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    FPT
    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.

    There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.

    And Irish.

    Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
    If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
    Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it

    Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
    Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
    There isn't. France has the right to close its borders for matters of health and security. They did it following the Bataclan and Stad de France terrorist attacks as well. Same for every other country. The EU has no power in this issue.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Jonathan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    but...but...but....we should wait until February before we do any lockdowns, to see if that modelling is a load of bollocks.

    Because er, Boris....Christmas....u-turn....clown......
    Good to see you defending the indefensible.
    Good to see the paucity of your attack lines.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    MarqueeMark said:

    Jonathan said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.

    There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.

    And Irish.

    Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
    If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
    Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it

    Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
    Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
    Like how it resolved BSE?
    It took you more than a quarter of an hour to come up with that. Must try harder.
    You got zingered.

    We feel your pain.
    If you think a 25 year old reference is a zinger, your standards are really slipping. And whilst you play your games, the country stands on the brink.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,701
    edited December 2020
    squareroot2 said:

    First ?

    Confidence required :smile: .

    Statements not questions.

    You are not Sir Kendrick.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    edited December 2020
    MarqueeMark said:

    Shifting Trump out the White House was THE big incentive to get Dem voters out in big numbers in November. Senate races in January? Maybe not so much....

    I'm not betting yet but I think the Democrats have a very fair shout here. They have higher propensity voters than the GOP now - if it's a de facto midterm turnout rerun, they're favourite to win.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    MarqueeMark said:

    Jonathan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    The Times has got hold of some fairly bleak modelling of infections/deaths/hospital admissions for February. Might be best not to think about it.

    but...but...but....we should wait until February before we do any lockdowns, to see if that modelling is a load of bollocks.

    Because er, Boris....Christmas....u-turn....clown......
    Good to see you defending the indefensible.
    Good to see the paucity of your attack lines.
    Who's attacking? If you feel attacked that's your problem.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Christ on a bike, this modelling is before the mutant strain was properly identified.

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1341149040814288899
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....

    Yeah, it's everywhere already. This is ultimate barn door territory.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Christ on a bike, this modelling is before the mutant strain was properly identified.

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1341149040814288899

    Scary days.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Christ on a bike, this modelling is before the mutant strain was properly identified.

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1341149040814288899

    Scary days.
    Can't wait to be back in school on 4th Jan, or get sued by Gavin Williamson.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 1,729
    RobD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....

    Yeah, it's everywhere already. This is ultimate barn door territory.
    Someone couldn't hit it with a banjo?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    edited December 2020
    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    MarqueeMark said:

    Shifting Trump out the White House was THE big incentive to get Dem voters out in big numbers in November. Senate races in January? Maybe not so much....

    Equally a lot of Trump Republicans have zero incentive to get out and vote.

    I suspect it’s easier to get democrats out to vote a second time than those republicans
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,701
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    FPT

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I make a thousand large lorries nose to tail about 18 miles long - max.

    There will be a quick resolution to this - if only because many drivers stuck in Kent are French or European and a bit pissed off, and want to get home for Christmas.

    And Irish.

    Macron has seriously damaged EU freight and I cannot see this continuing as anger rises against the French decision from EU companies
    If 'Cockney Covid' had been 'le covid' in France we might have done the same.
    Why not admit Macron is wrong in this decision rather than trying to deflect it

    Also he has forced Toyota into a controlled closure of manufacturing in France and the UK
    Macron is wrong. It's exactly the sort of nationalist politics that I am against. If only there was a pan European body that mitgated against this sort of politics. Something that both Britain and France could participate in and resolve their differences.
    There isn't. France has the right to close its borders for matters of health and security. They did it following the Bataclan and Stad de France terrorist attacks as well. Same for every other country. The EU has no power in this issue.
    Not really sure why @Jonathan is flapping about Brexit on this.

    It is quite reasonable for France to close its borders whilst this is evaluated, just as everyone did for Denmark, and various countries back in the Spring. Good job that Brexit means we have practiced coping.

    I suspect that Little Napoleon will discover that it is already there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections its highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    They are currently in the second band, right? I think you are right though.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    MarqueeMark said:

    Shifting Trump out the White House was THE big incentive to get Dem voters out in big numbers in November. Senate races in January? Maybe not so much....

    Doesn't that apply equally to those GOP voters whose big incentive was keeping Trump in the WH? I believe an eminent PB Trafalgarian has made certain claims about 2016 Trump on the ticket v. 2018 Trump not on the ticket..
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections its highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    That's sensible. I wonder if there are any other ways in which the vaccine can be expedited. Could the Oxford virus be green lit. It's storage requirements are such that it should be able to go faster.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....

    And the German and French testers have all left the building, until the New Year.

    I'm guessing.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections its highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    That's sensible. I wonder if there are any other ways in which the vaccine can be expedited. Could the Oxford virus be green lit. It's storage requirements are such that it should be able to go faster.
    We've heard that is imminent, and should be far far easier to distribute en masse.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections its highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    That's sensible. I wonder if there are any other ways in which the vaccine can be expedited. Could the Oxford virus be green lit. It's storage requirements are such that it should be able to go faster.
    We've heard that is imminent, and should be far far easier to distribute en masse.
    Let's hope so. Sounds like every day counts.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Has Easter been cancelled?

    Plenty of hints, leaks, briefings, statistical models and graphs for Tier 4 lockdown rules, guidelines masked by broad state powers for an unspecified period.

    A year ago if @SeanT had posted an outlined plot for a dystopian sci-fi novel set amongst a backdrop of a population under mass house arrest, large unused Potemkin hospitals, with a chorus of technocrats arguing over the impact of a virus, we might think it was all the work of @Adrian_Harper
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    They should probably be shot instead.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Medical professionals are in the second wave.

    The guidance confirms a priority list published in September has remained unchanged, and recommends patients should be vaccinated in the following order:

    Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
    All those 80 years of age and over; frontline health and social care workers
    All those 75 years of age and over
    All those 70 years of age and over; clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
    All those 65 years of age and over
    All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
    All those 60 years of age and over
    All those 55 years of age and over
    All those 50 years of age and over

    https://www.gponline.com/jcvi-confirms-priority-groups-covid-19-vaccination/article/1701635
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    edited December 2020
    Theuniondivvie said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Shifting Trump out the White House was THE big incentive to get Dem voters out in big numbers in November. Senate races in January? Maybe not so much....

    Doesn't that apply equally to those GOP voters whose big incentive was keeping Trump in the WH? I believe an eminent PB Trafalgarian has made certain claims about 2016 Trump on the ticket v. 2018 Trump not on the ticket..
    Georgia was one of the states Trump did relatively worst compared to a generic Republican however, Trump only got 49% in Georgia this year compared to the 53% even Romney got in the state in 2012 for example.

    In comparison in Ohio for example Trump got 53% in 2020 compared to just 47% for Romney in 2012 and in Florida Trump got 51% in 2020 compared to just 49% for Romney in 2012.

    Biden won Georgia with only a minority vote of 49%, so if the GOP candidates get the remaining 51% including the not Trump Republicans who went Libertarian in the presidential election they will hold the seats as Emerson suggests
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    My working assumption is that even in currently-Tier 2 Devon, we will be locked down, March 2020-style, before the end of the year until at least mid-February.

    Futher afield, the M25 will become a minefield....

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    They should probably be shot instead.
    I've rolled my eyes at them so much I can see my optic nerves.

    A few of us have pointed out the risks of going to an EU country during a pandemic and with a possibility of a no deal Brexit happening whilst they are out there.

    But they will self isolate when they get back so that's ok.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,701
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    People going home?

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    They should probably be shot instead.
    I've rolled my eyes at them so much I can see my optic nerves.

    A few of us have pointed out the risks of going to an EU country during a pandemic and with a possibility of a no deal Brexit happening whilst they are out there.

    But they will self isolate when they get back so that's ok.
    People are idiots. Remind me why they get the vote again?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    That's not good:

    https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1341156120019218432?s=20
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    MattW said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    People going home?

    Nope, both Brits, born and bred.

    I think one of them can trace their lineage back to the Plantagenet era.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    They should probably be shot instead.
    I've rolled my eyes at them so much I can see my optic nerves.

    A few of us have pointed out the risks of going to an EU country during a pandemic and with a possibility of a no deal Brexit happening whilst they are out there.

    But they will self isolate when they get back so that's ok.
    People are idiots. Remind me why they get the vote again?
    Would you be astonished to learn they also like to put pineapple on their pizzas?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1341158460780650498?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    Exactly, plenty of Brits, especially wealthy Brits spend the December or January holidays in warmer and sunnier climes, from the Canary Islands, to Barbados, the Maldives, the Seychelles and Mauritius or Florida etc
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....

    And the German and French testers have all left the building, until the New Year.

    I'm guessing.
    I asked this morning a direct question seeking a direct answer

    Name me an area in Europe for which had had a similar increase in incidence under a similar level and duration of elevated restriction as Kent and Essex have had? Name me an area which looks like another place where this should better have been spotted?

    I'm pretty sure that variant is in the wild in other places. I'm less sure that there will be a another place where the variant has become quite so dominant.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    RobD said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....

    Yeah, it's everywhere already. This is ultimate barn door territory.
    Also identified in Belgium in November, apparently (post hoc, in the same way we’ve identified it here from back in September).

    Here’s the latest PHE report on the strain (increased infectivity now “high confidence”):
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/947048/Technical_Briefing_VOC_SH_NJL2_SH2.pdf

  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,633
    MarqueeMark said:

    My working assumption is that even in currently-Tier 2 Devon, we will be locked down, March 2020-style, before the end of the year until at least mid-February.

    Futher afield, the M25 will become a minefield....

    Expect a national Tier 3 minimum lockdown inc possibly secondary school closures until 28 Feb.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MattW said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    People going home?

    Nope, both Brits, born and bred.

    I think one of them can trace their lineage back to the Plantagenet era.
    So French then.....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    Fair question I feel.

    https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/1341047913481461760?s=20
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,474
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Yes, on Sunday 13th. One of the leftovers at the prototype vaccine centre.

    I lost a friend to the virus today. 95 and frail, but a great bloke that I have known for 20 years.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fair question I feel.

    https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/1341047913481461760?s=20

    Swingers party gone wrong?

    Plus anyone else having images of pegging involving that lot?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    They should probably be shot instead.
    I've rolled my eyes at them so much I can see my optic nerves.

    A few of us have pointed out the risks of going to an EU country during a pandemic and with a possibility of a no deal Brexit happening whilst they are out there.

    But they will self isolate when they get back so that's ok.
    People are idiots. Remind me why they get the vote again?
    Democracy is merely window dressing. The Establishment never allow them to implement any change The Establishment don't like....
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Shifting Trump out the White House was THE big incentive to get Dem voters out in big numbers in November. Senate races in January? Maybe not so much....

    I'm not betting yet but I think the Democrats have a very fair shout here. They have higher propensity voters than the GOP now - if it's a de facto midterm turnout rerun, they're favourite to win.
    Georgia GOP is turning up the dial on voter suppression though. Early voting locations closed etc.

    And American Swing voters fucking love themselves some 'bi-partisanship' because they are idiots.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Will no one rid us of this turbulent group of rule breaking parasites?

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1341152234273460226
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    Foxy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Yes, on Sunday 13th. One of the leftovers at the prototype vaccine centre.

    I lost a friend to the virus today. 95 and frail, but a great bloke that I have known for 20 years.
    Sorry to hear that, Foxy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    MarqueeMark said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    A couple I know say they have to go to a warmer climate for Christmas because they can't cope with the British winter.

    It is an annual tradition apparently.
    They should probably be shot instead.
    I've rolled my eyes at them so much I can see my optic nerves.

    A few of us have pointed out the risks of going to an EU country during a pandemic and with a possibility of a no deal Brexit happening whilst they are out there.

    But they will self isolate when they get back so that's ok.
    People are idiots. Remind me why they get the vote again?
    Democracy is merely window dressing. The Establishment never allow them to implement any change The Establishment don't like....
    Ah, a British Democracy.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I know it is low numbers but the Scottish Borders cases have absolutely rocketed.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,474
    CarlottaVance said:

    That's not good:

    https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1341156120019218432?s=20

    Is there a national Darwin award?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,467
    A friend of mine is away in Barbados. She appears to be having a lovely time! I’m rather jealous!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Foxy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Yes, on Sunday 13th. One of the leftovers at the prototype vaccine centre.

    I lost a friend to the virus today. 95 and frail, but a great bloke that I have known for 20 years.
    Oh my, much love.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    Link to the paper on the SA variant.
    https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1341066796808478722
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    Foxy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Yes, on Sunday 13th. One of the leftovers at the prototype vaccine centre.

    I lost a friend to the virus today. 95 and frail, but a great bloke that I have known for 20 years.
    Sorry to hear that and my condolences.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fair question I feel.

    https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/1341047913481461760?s=20

    Swingers party gone wrong?

    Plus anyone else having images of pegging involving that lot?
    Hush, Lembit's already reaching for his mask.
    Was once in the Opik family house in Belfast and had a brief moment with his sister. True story.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Pro_Rata said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DellAnnaLuca/status/1340936912010276865?s=20
    118 times more than the Germans and 61 times more than the French.....

    And the German and French testers have all left the building, until the New Year.

    I'm guessing.
    I asked this morning a direct question seeking a direct answer

    Name me an area in Europe for which had had a similar increase in incidence under a similar level and duration of elevated restriction as Kent and Essex have had? Name me an area which looks like another place where this should better have been spotted?

    I'm pretty sure that variant is in the wild in other places. I'm less sure that there will be a another place where the variant has become quite so dominant.
    Can't recall which but read there was a German city with a really worrying Kent-like rise. Anybody know?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fair question I feel.

    https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/1341047913481461760?s=20

    Swingers party gone wrong?

    Plus anyone else having images of pegging involving that lot?
    Hush, Lembit's already reaching for his mask.
    Was once in the Opik family house in Belfast and had a brief moment with his sister. True story.
    Wasn't Lembit reputedly the human tripod?
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    Alistair said:

    I know it is low numbers but the Scottish Borders cases have absolutely rocketed.

    Outbreak at the Borders General in Melrose accounts for some of that.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Medical professionals are in the second wave.

    The guidance confirms a priority list published in September has remained unchanged, and recommends patients should be vaccinated in the following order:

    Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
    All those 80 years of age and over; frontline health and social care workers
    All those 75 years of age and over
    All those 70 years of age and over; clinically extremely vulnerable individuals
    All those 65 years of age and over
    All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
    All those 60 years of age and over
    All those 55 years of age and over
    All those 50 years of age and over

    https://www.gponline.com/jcvi-confirms-priority-groups-covid-19-vaccination/article/1701635
    Yes I know that's the theory but it seems the NHS have started waves one and two simultaneously. In part because it's logistically difficult to get the Pfizer vaccine into care homes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    Nigelb said:

    Link to the paper on the SA variant.
    https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1341066796808478722

    We have banned all travel from South Africa right ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,297
    edited December 2020
    So Spurs fans what you rather prefer to happen this season?

    1) Spurs winning the title

    or

    2) Arsenal getting relegated

    Arsenal plan for doomsday scenario of relegation from the Premier League

    A number of Arsenal players face big pay cuts if the once unthinkable happens and the club is relegated to the Championship

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/12/21/arsenal-plan-doomsday-scenario-relegation-premier-league/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    edited December 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Will no one rid us of this turbulent group of rule breaking parasites?

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1341152234273460226

    It was at Sandringham in Norfolk which is still only in Tier 2, it was outside and they only went over 6 including the children, there have been far worse infringments
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    Anabobazina said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Will no one rid us of this turbulent group of rule breaking parasites?

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1341152234273460226

    Yawn.

    I’m no fan of the monarchy, but who cares?

    They are going for a walk. So what?

    The endless moralising and curtain twitching is nauseating.
    And far enough apart that they look to be in separate bubbles.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Foxy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Yes, on Sunday 13th. One of the leftovers at the prototype vaccine centre.

    I lost a friend to the virus today. 95 and frail, but a great bloke that I have known for 20 years.
    My condolences.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    If we're going into Tier 4 England-wide (which I will support - although I also think schools should close), then it needs to apply for many weeks/months without changes being made to it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,796
    MarqueeMark said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fair question I feel.

    https://twitter.com/jlsinc/status/1341047913481461760?s=20

    Swingers party gone wrong?

    Plus anyone else having images of pegging involving that lot?
    Hush, Lembit's already reaching for his mask.
    Was once in the Opik family house in Belfast and had a brief moment with his sister. True story.
    Wasn't Lembit reputedly the human tripod?
    'Twas a while back, but I don't remember it popping up in the conversation.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Jonathan Portes "simplistic and unhelpful"? Never!

    https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1341137343185600513?s=20
    https://twitter.com/RaoulRuparel/status/1341161975611613188?s=20
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    Foxy said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The government needs to rethink its vaccine priority list, based on those projections it is highly likely the NHS staff are going to be infected and/or self isolating in such large numbers that there won't be enough staff to deal with the deluge.

    Aren't they already being vaccinated?

    I believe Foxy said he has been.
    Yes, on Sunday 13th. One of the leftovers at the prototype vaccine centre.

    I lost a friend to the virus today. 95 and frail, but a great bloke that I have known for 20 years.
    Sorry for your loss, Foxy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    CarlottaVance said:

    Jonathan Portes "simplistic and unhelpful"? Never!

    https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1341137343185600513?s=20
    https://twitter.com/RaoulRuparel/status/1341161975611613188?s=20

    Concessions on both sides? Say it ain't so.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    I wonder if there's any modelling for a pretty much UK-wide Tier 4 where all the spread is the mutant variant.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Spurs fans what you rather prefer to happen this season?

    1) Spurs winning the title

    or

    2) Arsenal getting relegated

    Arsenal plan for doomsday scenario of relegation from the Premier League

    A number of Arsenal players face big pay cuts if the once unthinkable happens and the club is relegated to the Championship

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/12/21/arsenal-plan-doomsday-scenario-relegation-premier-league/

    It's amusing to think about but not going to happen.

    Sheffield are going down clearly. The Gunners are not finishing below West Brom. Which leaves only one spot left to fall down but there's half a dozen clubs who could take that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,340
    Pulpstar said:

    Who the f*ck is getting on a plane at this point ? The only people I know who have flown recently really didn't want to fly but it was neccessary for their work.
    But that's not the majority of flyers right now, particularly over christmas when contracts pretty much all go into a de facto pause.
    Just who are these would be flyers ?

    You obviously didn't hear the Simon Calder one hour phone in on R5L this lunchtime...
    Highlights included recommending cheap flights to the Canaries.
    Spain closed to UK this afternoon.
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