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Trump’s Plan D – it’s all about the Electoral College – politicalbetting.com
Trump’s Plan D – it’s all about the Electoral College – politicalbetting.com
“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”. So once said American Football coach Vince Lombardi. It is a philosophy Donald Trump takes to heart – though his record is somewhat patchier than Lomabrdi’s. Trump has a pathological, visceral fear of being seen to fail, to lose.
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I must admit, I'm more than a little scared that the US descends into civil war.
The answer is that presumably the House could vote on whether Pelosi was right, and there's nothing in the Constitution to say they'd have to vote by states, so they'd vote by members and Democrats would win the vote.
Cue pandemonium.
But nothing I've seen suggests that Republican politicians in general will be willing to do more than humour him for a few weeks.
This s**t would be better on stage (Where's the US David Hare?) than in the White House.
But....There's nowt so queer as folk.
And in one rather important way he even lost the 2016 election.
Donald Trump was never elected President by a majority of American voters. He lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton.
It's about all his four years will be remembered for.
Constitution says: "The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed"
So I think if any states don't appoint electors, the 270 threshold goes down accordingly, i.e. Biden still just needs more votes than Trump. So Trump would need to knock out states worth 74 Biden votes.
Biden is 1.14 there. Trump is a mere 5.9
On the wacko crypto FTX exchange Biden is 1.21
He's also got a millions strong army of slack jawed yokels who defer purchase of meth, AR-15s and F350 lift kits to send the money to him instead.
After immersing myself in the science, it’s clear to me that phrases like ‘all-out war’ only scared the nation out of its wits
Matthew Parris“ (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/talk-of-beating-covid-was-always-nonsense-pqwsvk8hd
I'd be a lot more confident in these systems once this market is settled, it's their first big test.
AP - Biden 51.1 .. Trump 47.2 .. Others 1.7 .. Biden also only 13.5K short of 80M
Mr. W, at 51-47 some may be calling for a recount...
Re civil war, is it not time to seriously consider a peaceful divorce? Splitting into 3 or 4 countries works geographically and each would be able to more in tune with its populations.
@edmundintokyo did make this point before the election, but what's striking about Trump's coup attempt is how inept and lacking in bottle it is.
When Trump first tweeted "stop the count" after election day he was still ahead in the count in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia. If his supporters, like those who had postured in the Michigan Capitol in a lockdown protest, had turned up in numbers, armed and determined, they could have stopped those counts. They could have destroyed ballots and made a count impossible.
It didn't happen.
Likewise, the much touted Republican observers who I was worried would intimidate Democrats and prevent them from voting on the day? Didn't happen.
I never thought that Trump himself was attempting to organise these things, but I thought he was creating an atmosphere in which a capable Thomas Cromwell like figure could organise them, or a hothead like William de Tracy would be inspired to act.
I'm sure Trump would have been delighted if someone had demonstrated the competence and determination to orchestrate a coup on his behalf, but that person doesn't yet exist.
They didn't stop the votes from being cast, or counted, so constitutionally that's them done, and the Army lost. Republican Governors have talked with Biden - they're not about to foment rebellion.
Trump is done. But what his shenanigans are doing is keeping the attention of his supporters onto him. It's preventing the Republican party as a whole from moving on.
Its clear that the supporters of the Republicans and Democrats live in different realities. With wholly different perspectives on even the rather basic issues like rights and beliefs. I expect "states rights" to rear its head again. Why shouldn't shitkickers be allowed to oppress fags and blacks and foreigners and degenerates and women? Trump will stand up for their rights, leading a virtual Confederacy from Mar-a-Lago. Spewing his bile against an American democracy that has cheated 74m people out of their rights to oppress the 80m people who voted illegally against them.
Indeed so ..
There's about 1.25M votes in NY state still to be counted in heavy Biden counties. Give or take 0.05 I think we're on for :
Biden 51.15 .. Trump 47.15 .. Others 1.7 .. Turnout 158M
Trump will have to calculate whether it is better to try and win in 2024 or better to try and start a street war now that maybe keeps him in office.
One thing we know is he is a coward.
I guess the military will let it be known they wont be following him into a coup, but maybe there is no one brave enough to tell him that to his face?
Biden 1.04
Democrats 1.04
Biden PV 1.02
Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.04
Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.04
Trump ECV 210-239 1.07
Biden ECV 300-329 1.08
Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.06
Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.07
Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.03
AZ Dem 1.04
GA Dem 1.02
MI Dem 1.03
NV Dem 1.04
PA Dem 1.04
WI Dem 1.05
Millions of Americans clearly believe that Biden is some sort of a socialist. Other than being thick I really struggle to see any evidence for that at all in a very long career. Their definition of socialism would clearly include most of the current Tory party.
I think that it is very difficult for us to predict what these millions might do. We simply do not understand their terms of reference.
It's impossible to truly know someone's mind, but the tenor of his posts made me think he would have voted Trump. Of course, he repeatedly claimed that he would vote for Biden if he had a vote, but, in short, I didn't believe him.
I can imagine one or two who might be choking on their cornflakes
I wanted him to win because a) What's the difference, really? He and Biden are both venal scum enslaved to capital. b) A Trump win would be better because of the apocalyptic chaos that would ensue if he lost and c) I thought it would be funny.
I should say, by the way, that the likes of @MrEd are genuinely useful in contributing to this site. It needs disparate views to flourish. I am in no way criticising him or @HYUFD. On most topics the balance of views here reflects the balance of views amongst the population that actually care. On Trump, however, not so much. We just don't get it.
But, as I said, you can't truly know someone else's mind. Just my instinct about him.
Equally gun control. Recreational marijuana. Gay marriage. Or any other of the most divisive culture war themes.
Stop fighting a never ending pitched battle on the national level between unreconcilable view points and focus on what brings all Americans together.
Personally, I think we only have a Biden presidency because Biden was seen as understanding the working class in the US by just enough people to put him over the line in the old rust belt states. The Scranton boy and all that.
Damned close. Kamala wont do it in 2024.
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2020/11/13/gen-milley-we-take-oath-constitution/6274373002/
The ragtag army of overarmed airheads won't be enough to cause more than minor insurrections.
Even when they get over 50% of the vote it is always the liberals and the left who need to change their behaviour.
And, to be brutally honest, American violent crime isn't a pressing issue for me in the way that the the presidency and the robustness of US democracy is.
His capability (like someone we know closer to home) is in spinning any outcome as a triumph, regardless of the reality.
Known him a lot longer than you, Roy. Just because he's obdurate doesn't make him dishonest.
Aggravating at times, but dishonest? No.
It shouldn’t be difficult for someone to pitch afresh the American dream but it does require some grown up acknowledgement on both sides that culture wars don’t have right or wrong opinions, just different ones.
The problem is that the Left is as strident (if not more so) than the Right in thinking they are “right” and that their viewpoint is the only one that should be allowed to be aired.
It surprises me that smart people on here still can’t understand why people voted for Trump in record numbers. Watch some Mark Blythe. Listen to Joe Rogan’s assessment of it. It’s not difficult to understand at all if you’re willing to show some empathy and maintain an open mind.
Also, like in Britain, the geography doesn't work. Omaha voted Blue, the rest of Nebraska Red, upstate New York is Red etc. Splits like that make for nasty civil conflicts.
A key feature of functioning democracies is majority rule, but respect for minority opinion. Both sides have forgotten this, here and there.
I know that it doesn’t actually mean abolish the police, and that it was not something that Biden supported, but it was still a gift to those opposed to the Democrats.
Beating someone as bad as Trump should have been easy, but the Democrats nearly failed anyway: this should have been an election with a similar margin to the one Reagan got in 1984. They need to work out why it wasn’t.
The man's an amoral liar and a cheat.
This for him is a mere peccadillo
Equally the EU principle of subsidiarity is on point. But became abused and forgotten.
We all have to learn to live with the differences in opinion within and without our own countries. Lots about the way Indian society is organised that I don’t like but they’re a functioning democracy and that’s up to them. Live and let live and focus on what you have in common.
Lots of lessons here for the UK and devolution too.
They actually need to work out why Biden won, and ensure they have that kind of candidate in 2024.
To me, that shows a level of dishonest presentation that clever lawyers and journalists are so skilled at. And I would argue that nobody is really capable of that level wordsmithery without also knowing that they are offering misleading impressions of the data.
But, hey, don't take my word for it. Try it some time, if he's even coming back. You'll see for yourselves.
An obvious, non-political sign of these different facts is the response to the Coronavirus pandemic: whether masks are useful; even whether the pandemic is real or a hoax.
Politically this goes back at least as far as GW Bush and his notion of "truthiness" -- statements that sound like they are true even though objectively false. Trump might have exploited this but did not originate it.
Could it happen here? It already has: £350 million; Conservative social media shitposting at the last election; the invented treachery of Ed Miliband's father.
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Standing beneath this serene sky, overlooking these broad fields now reposing from the labors of the waning year, the mighty Alleghenies dimly towering before us, the graves of our brethren beneath our feet, it is with hesitation that I raise my poor voice to break the eloquent silence of God and Nature. But the duty to which you have called me must be performed;—grant me, I pray you, your indulgence and your sympathy.”
It goes on for another two hours...
Probably because Bezos really is mega rich.
Romney, Collins, Murkowski, Cramer, Sasse.
When the confirmation of the electoral votes comes to Congress, these will not vote for Trump. There will be a majority for Biden in the Senate and the House. It's game over for Trump.
Some of these five might also be amenable to some bi-partisan cooperation with President Biden in the Senate.
Mike Crapo will have a shitty job as Chief Deputy Whip keeping them in line.
Crapo is obviously behind Trump.