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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Given this, why is my dad struggling to get a blood test to check up on his diabetes and cholesterol problem? He keeps getting told that the NHS is only taking emergency appointments but there's surely enough capacity now to have appointments back to normal. Honestly if my dad has a stroke I'd be tempted to sue the NHS for dereliction of duty at this point.

    Sorry to hear this Max.

    There’s a national scandal brewing on NHS displacement.

    The simple truth is that low-risk covid patients are - or at least were - being favoured over moderate-risk non-covid patients.

    The hysteria over this virus has more casualties than one might assume.

    Hope your father gets fixed up soon.
    I think it's a ploy to drive people to pay for their own treatment tbh, my dad is close to giving up and going private for his check up.

    What's happening in the NHS is the antithesis of what it was created for at the moment. One type of patient is being massively preferred over everyone else, which made sense at the peak of the crisis but now it's unnecessary.
    This is a big story coming I sense. Crisis in non-covid NHS. Much was sacrificed and they can't just turn on a sixpence and rectify.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Is that comment to mean that because they said something planning for a situation before Covid's impacts were known, that their reacting to a post Covid existence which does not match those previous expectations is someone embarrassing?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Panic over in Hornchurch and Upminster - what used to be the local meat market was to become temporary home to 200 asylum seekers. Frantic Facebook posts and petitions have done the trick, who said community spirit was dead?

    https://www.julialopez.co.uk/news/update-use-palms-hotel-a127
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    Yet deaths are apparently trending downwards..?
    Even with a lag it feels strange.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
    Wait and see where the locals go next year to assess the future of the lib dems.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    rpjs said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    That L1 visa cancellation is really stupid, loads of people having to come back and just do the work from here from what I can tell. They're just going to work NYC trading hours from London and pay tax to the UK government instead of the US government.

    I understand why you'd want to tighten up the H1B programme, because a lot of firms (particularly some Indian IT services firms) abused it.

    But the L1 is a temporary, non-immigrant, visa that is mostly used for execs on three month to one year stints in the US. I don't think any of them are taking jobs from US workers, they're usually coming to the US to setup an office, or to share experience about a specific project.

    Edit to add: The just reinforces my view that Trump is mostly interested in the headlines, not the effect.
    I've not yet worked for a company here in the US that didn't have people on long-term L-1 visas. I'm in IT and these are all people with legitimate specialist company knowledge (so L-1Bs not L-1As) but they were all over for the long-term.
    https://twitter.com/AriellaHanker/status/1275472589515714560
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    A confusing Tweet. I THINK that's just about overseas aid:

    https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1275828954402881538

    I'd have never guessed that some of that is channelled through DCMS. Perhaps things like the Ethiopian Spice Girls go through DCMS.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    nichomar said:

    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
    Wait and see where the locals go next year to assess the future of the lib dems.
    We dont have locals next year in Dorset....
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Nigelb said:

    rpjs said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    That L1 visa cancellation is really stupid, loads of people having to come back and just do the work from here from what I can tell. They're just going to work NYC trading hours from London and pay tax to the UK government instead of the US government.

    I understand why you'd want to tighten up the H1B programme, because a lot of firms (particularly some Indian IT services firms) abused it.

    But the L1 is a temporary, non-immigrant, visa that is mostly used for execs on three month to one year stints in the US. I don't think any of them are taking jobs from US workers, they're usually coming to the US to setup an office, or to share experience about a specific project.

    Edit to add: The just reinforces my view that Trump is mostly interested in the headlines, not the effect.
    I've not yet worked for a company here in the US that didn't have people on long-term L-1 visas. I'm in IT and these are all people with legitimate specialist company knowledge (so L-1Bs not L-1As) but they were all over for the long-term.
    https://twitter.com/AriellaHanker/status/1275472589515714560
    Precisely. In my current team only only three out of eight of us are American-born and of those two are children of immigrants.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Given this, why is my dad struggling to get a blood test to check up on his diabetes and cholesterol problem? He keeps getting told that the NHS is only taking emergency appointments but there's surely enough capacity now to have appointments back to normal. Honestly if my dad has a stroke I'd be tempted to sue the NHS for dereliction of duty at this point.

    Sorry to hear this Max.

    There’s a national scandal brewing on NHS displacement.

    The simple truth is that low-risk covid patients are - or at least were - being favoured over moderate-risk non-covid patients.

    The hysteria over this virus has more casualties than one might assume.

    Hope your father gets fixed up soon.
    I think it's a ploy to drive people to pay for their own treatment tbh, my dad is close to giving up and going private for his check up.

    What's happening in the NHS is the antithesis of what it was created for at the moment. One type of patient is being massively preferred over everyone else, which made sense at the peak of the crisis but now it's unnecessary.
    This is a big story coming I sense. Crisis in non-covid NHS. Much was sacrificed and they can't just turn on a sixpence and rectify.
    Local hospitals, where I am, are ringing GPs to get them to "push" the patients into going.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    rpjs said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    That L1 visa cancellation is really stupid, loads of people having to come back and just do the work from here from what I can tell. They're just going to work NYC trading hours from London and pay tax to the UK government instead of the US government.

    I understand why you'd want to tighten up the H1B programme, because a lot of firms (particularly some Indian IT services firms) abused it.

    But the L1 is a temporary, non-immigrant, visa that is mostly used for execs on three month to one year stints in the US. I don't think any of them are taking jobs from US workers, they're usually coming to the US to setup an office, or to share experience about a specific project.

    Edit to add: The just reinforces my view that Trump is mostly interested in the headlines, not the effect.
    I've not yet worked for a company here in the US that didn't have people on long-term L-1 visas. I'm in IT and these are all people with legitimate specialist company knowledge (so L-1Bs not L-1As) but they were all over for the long-term.
    L1 is the most common type of visa for banking and media as well, though not of the A type because it's much less specialised than lots of IT knowledge.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited June 2020

    Alistair said:

    kinabalu said:

    The guy from the white lives matter plane banner has been sacked from his job.

    Might make for an interesting court case if he sues for unfair dismissal.

    Was he a heart surgeon? Something like that?
    Why is his job relevant? what is relevant is that he has lost his job for making a political statement that probably has not broken any laws.

    can people be sacked for making legal political statements? I'm not sure they can.
    He's not being sacked for legal political statements, he's been sacked for using terms like 'Pakis' on social media.
    Oh come now TSE, he's simply trying to make an in good faith best effort attempt to fit into Twitter's character limits and the very notion of racial animosity is an affront to the man.

    The court case, when forthcoming, will be a stunning success for him.
    Fake news, he's only a racist because he's coked up off his tits.

    Hepple claims he isn't racist

    He explained to the Daily Mail: "I'm not racist. I know people are trying to make out to be one but I'm not. I've got lots of Black and Asian friends and this banner was actually inspired by the Black Lives Movement.

    "We were not trying to offend the movement or black people. I believe that it's also important to acknowledge that white lives matter too. That's all we were trying to say."

    He explained away some of his racist language by saying he sometimes gets 'a bit coked up and uses offensive language'.


    https://www.givemesport.com/1577049-burnley-fan-jake-hepple-has-been-sacked-after-white-lives-matter-banner-stunt

    Admitting to being under the influence of cocaine is also probably a sacking offence.

    Can you imagine the damage a coked up welder could do?
    White lines matter.
    That post could well set a new PB record for number of likes.
    What IS the record?

    I'm imagining a post whereby a much loved contributor of long standing announces the birth of their first grandchild AND slags off Jeremy Corbyn on the same day they get the all clear from cancer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    isam said:

    Panic over in Hornchurch and Upminster - what used to be the local meat market was to become temporary home to 200 asylum seekers. Frantic Facebook posts and petitions have done the trick, who said community spirit was dead?

    https://www.julialopez.co.uk/news/update-use-palms-hotel-a127

    So what now - back to being a meat market?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    kinabalu said:

    Alistair said:

    kinabalu said:

    The guy from the white lives matter plane banner has been sacked from his job.

    Might make for an interesting court case if he sues for unfair dismissal.

    Was he a heart surgeon? Something like that?
    Why is his job relevant? what is relevant is that he has lost his job for making a political statement that probably has not broken any laws.

    can people be sacked for making legal political statements? I'm not sure they can.
    He's not being sacked for legal political statements, he's been sacked for using terms like 'Pakis' on social media.
    Oh come now TSE, he's simply trying to make an in good faith best effort attempt to fit into Twitter's character limits and the very notion of racial animosity is an affront to the man.

    The court case, when forthcoming, will be a stunning success for him.
    Fake news, he's only a racist because he's coked up off his tits.

    Hepple claims he isn't racist

    He explained to the Daily Mail: "I'm not racist. I know people are trying to make out to be one but I'm not. I've got lots of Black and Asian friends and this banner was actually inspired by the Black Lives Movement.

    "We were not trying to offend the movement or black people. I believe that it's also important to acknowledge that white lives matter too. That's all we were trying to say."

    He explained away some of his racist language by saying he sometimes gets 'a bit coked up and uses offensive language'.


    https://www.givemesport.com/1577049-burnley-fan-jake-hepple-has-been-sacked-after-white-lives-matter-banner-stunt

    Admitting to being under the influence of cocaine is also probably a sacking offence.

    Can you imagine the damage a coked up welder could do?
    White lines matter.
    That post could well set a new PB record for number of likes.
    What IS the record?

    I'm imagining a post whereby a much loved contributor of long standing announces the birth of their first grandchild AND slags off Jeremy Corbyn on the same day they get the all clear from cancer.
    You forgot "...while incidentally relating an anecdote involving an Albanian black cab driver"
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
    From what little I understand of the present LD situation (which isn't very much, given that they're obviously getting completely drowned out by crises and are pretty marginal nowadays in any event,) the Moran Plan seems to consist of trying to position themselves somewhere to the Left of Labour.

    This would appear to be a sub-optimal strategy. Fighting for a rather small pool of very left-wing voters (many of whom loathe them anyway) with Labour, the Greens and the minor left parties won't win them enough support to gain additional seats, and doesn't strike one as an attractive stance to adopt in relation either to Eurosceptic rural voters in the South-West or Europhile but wealthy voters in the South-East.

    I don't see what they can possibly have to gain from such a shift. It leaves the Lib Dems holding on to nothing but a core habit vote of maybe 6-7% of the electorate, vulnerable to whatever moderate floating voters they still attract drifting off to support Starmer, and dangerously reliant on the ability of their surviving MPs to leverage their incumbency.

    I don't know anything about what Ed Davey is meant to stand for. The candidate of benign neglect, perhaps? Neither offensive nor inspiring? Perhaps that will work better, but it does rather depend on large numbers of voters being in a "plague on both their houses" mood by 2024, and particularly on Labour being unable or unwilling to crush the Lib Dems. With Davey's background as a Coalition minister, that may be wishful thinking.

    We should also remember that four of the eleven Lib Dem MPs represent Scottish seats and may, as such, find themselves out of a job before the end of the current Parliamentary term.

    The party collapsed to eight seats in 2015, and the old Liberals were down to six for most of the 1950s and in the 1970-74 Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that they couldn't fare as badly or worse at the next election.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    Jenrick has always seemed over-promoted IMO.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    edited June 2020

    Alistair said:

    kinabalu said:

    The guy from the white lives matter plane banner has been sacked from his job.

    Might make for an interesting court case if he sues for unfair dismissal.

    Was he a heart surgeon? Something like that?
    Why is his job relevant? what is relevant is that he has lost his job for making a political statement that probably has not broken any laws.

    can people be sacked for making legal political statements? I'm not sure they can.
    He's not being sacked for legal political statements, he's been sacked for using terms like 'Pakis' on social media.
    Oh come now TSE, he's simply trying to make an in good faith best effort attempt to fit into Twitter's character limits and the very notion of racial animosity is an affront to the man.

    The court case, when forthcoming, will be a stunning success for him.
    Fake news, he's only a racist because he's coked up off his tits.

    Hepple claims he isn't racist

    He explained to the Daily Mail: "I'm not racist. I know people are trying to make out to be one but I'm not. I've got lots of Black and Asian friends and this banner was actually inspired by the Black Lives Movement.

    "We were not trying to offend the movement or black people. I believe that it's also important to acknowledge that white lives matter too. That's all we were trying to say."

    He explained away some of his racist language by saying he sometimes gets 'a bit coked up and uses offensive language'.


    https://www.givemesport.com/1577049-burnley-fan-jake-hepple-has-been-sacked-after-white-lives-matter-banner-stunt

    Admitting to being under the influence of cocaine is also probably a sacking offence.

    Can you imagine the damage a coked up welder could do?
    The "I was on illegal drugs which I took deliberately" defence.

    { Charlie Gilmour enters the chat }
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222

    Alistair said:

    kinabalu said:

    The guy from the white lives matter plane banner has been sacked from his job.

    Might make for an interesting court case if he sues for unfair dismissal.

    Was he a heart surgeon? Something like that?
    Why is his job relevant? what is relevant is that he has lost his job for making a political statement that probably has not broken any laws.

    can people be sacked for making legal political statements? I'm not sure they can.
    He's not being sacked for legal political statements, he's been sacked for using terms like 'Pakis' on social media.
    Oh come now TSE, he's simply trying to make an in good faith best effort attempt to fit into Twitter's character limits and the very notion of racial animosity is an affront to the man.

    The court case, when forthcoming, will be a stunning success for him.
    Fake news, he's only a racist because he's coked up off his tits.

    Hepple claims he isn't racist

    He explained to the Daily Mail: "I'm not racist. I know people are trying to make out to be one but I'm not. I've got lots of Black and Asian friends and this banner was actually inspired by the Black Lives Movement.

    "We were not trying to offend the movement or black people. I believe that it's also important to acknowledge that white lives matter too. That's all we were trying to say."

    He explained away some of his racist language by saying he sometimes gets 'a bit coked up and uses offensive language'.


    https://www.givemesport.com/1577049-burnley-fan-jake-hepple-has-been-sacked-after-white-lives-matter-banner-stunt

    Admitting to being under the influence of cocaine is also probably a sacking offence.

    Can you imagine the damage a coked up welder could do?
    The "I was on illegal drugs which I took deliberately" defence...
    A preview of the 2024 election slogans.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Panic over in Hornchurch and Upminster - what used to be the local meat market was to become temporary home to 200 asylum seekers. Frantic Facebook posts and petitions have done the trick, who said community spirit was dead?

    https://www.julialopez.co.uk/news/update-use-palms-hotel-a127

    So what now - back to being a meat market?
    Who cares, the glory days are long gone. What a place!

    https://en.everybodywiki.com/The_Palms_Nightclub
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Trump wasn't kidding around about the less testing

    https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1275823820448976897?s=19
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
    From what little I understand of the present LD situation (which isn't very much, given that they're obviously getting completely drowned out by crises and are pretty marginal nowadays in any event,) the Moran Plan seems to consist of trying to position themselves somewhere to the Left of Labour.

    This would appear to be a sub-optimal strategy. Fighting for a rather small pool of very left-wing voters (many of whom loathe them anyway) with Labour, the Greens and the minor left parties won't win them enough support to gain additional seats, and doesn't strike one as an attractive stance to adopt in relation either to Eurosceptic rural voters in the South-West or Europhile but wealthy voters in the South-East.

    I don't see what they can possibly have to gain from such a shift. It leaves the Lib Dems holding on to nothing but a core habit vote of maybe 6-7% of the electorate, vulnerable to whatever moderate floating voters they still attract drifting off to support Starmer, and dangerously reliant on the ability of their surviving MPs to leverage their incumbency.

    I don't know anything about what Ed Davey is meant to stand for. The candidate of benign neglect, perhaps? Neither offensive nor inspiring? Perhaps that will work better, but it does rather depend on large numbers of voters being in a "plague on both their houses" mood by 2024, and particularly on Labour being unable or unwilling to crush the Lib Dems. With Davey's background as a Coalition minister, that may be wishful thinking.

    We should also remember that four of the eleven Lib Dem MPs represent Scottish seats and may, as such, find themselves out of a job before the end of the current Parliamentary term.

    The party collapsed to eight seats in 2015, and the old Liberals were down to six for most of the 1950s and in the 1970-74 Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that they couldn't fare as badly or worse at the next election.
    There is no real Moran strategy - she isn't not a tactical thinker. She has never found a bandwagon onto which she isn't excited to jump on - just to prove how woke and 'progressive' she is. She has not articulated any positive messages for her constituents in a very long time - and she is just running round looking for people to notice her.

    She is a reactive politician - a chancer you might say.

    If she had been a man, the domestic violence incident would have ended her career. I am embarrassed to be represented by her. And her becoming leader of LDs will send a very bad message.

    She is losing a lot of respect locally by her posturing and lack of ability to actually care about the people who voted for her.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Andy_JS said:
    I say we implement this permanently...
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    There's a new PPP poll out for North Carolina. Cunningham leads Tillis by 4%, Biden leads Trump by 2%. Their last poll 3 weeks ago had Biden leading by 4% and Cunningham leading by 2%.

    What a beautiful example of margin of error causing statistical noise.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited June 2020
    Classic Guardian / BBC bias by omission...trying to find uk version of George Floyd, after last week tasering of rappers dad, where when you looked they obstructed the police and a number of people in the house found guilty of criminal offences...we have this tale.

    BBC News - Man paralysed in Taser fall says race made him a target
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53165938

    Sounds bad, man seem to keep being targeted by the po po and this time tries to run aw ay and there seems to be a terrible accident...the po po are dead racist innit, they keep bothering me when i only have a bit of weed for personal use 2 days running bruv.

    Then i notice the one sentence, saying has been in prison.

    2 second google search later...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-40110712

    So you mean you previous were part of a gang who supplied large amounts of drugs and wonder why the police might interest in you. Makes you wonder what else was omitted, like why the police tactical response unit detained you the day before.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    Panic over in Hornchurch and Upminster - what used to be the local meat market was to become temporary home to 200 asylum seekers. Frantic Facebook posts and petitions have done the trick, who said community spirit was dead?

    https://www.julialopez.co.uk/news/update-use-palms-hotel-a127

    So what now - back to being a meat market?
    Who cares, the glory days are long gone. What a place!

    https://en.everybodywiki.com/The_Palms_Nightclub
    Oh THAT sort of "market". No that's not coming back. That's living on in the memory only. Need to make new memories now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    @QUincel What do you think the closest state will be ?

    Georgia or NC perhaps ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    kinabalu said:

    Alistair said:

    kinabalu said:

    The guy from the white lives matter plane banner has been sacked from his job.

    Might make for an interesting court case if he sues for unfair dismissal.

    Was he a heart surgeon? Something like that?
    Why is his job relevant? what is relevant is that he has lost his job for making a political statement that probably has not broken any laws.

    can people be sacked for making legal political statements? I'm not sure they can.
    He's not being sacked for legal political statements, he's been sacked for using terms like 'Pakis' on social media.
    Oh come now TSE, he's simply trying to make an in good faith best effort attempt to fit into Twitter's character limits and the very notion of racial animosity is an affront to the man.

    The court case, when forthcoming, will be a stunning success for him.
    Fake news, he's only a racist because he's coked up off his tits.

    Hepple claims he isn't racist

    He explained to the Daily Mail: "I'm not racist. I know people are trying to make out to be one but I'm not. I've got lots of Black and Asian friends and this banner was actually inspired by the Black Lives Movement.

    "We were not trying to offend the movement or black people. I believe that it's also important to acknowledge that white lives matter too. That's all we were trying to say."

    He explained away some of his racist language by saying he sometimes gets 'a bit coked up and uses offensive language'.


    https://www.givemesport.com/1577049-burnley-fan-jake-hepple-has-been-sacked-after-white-lives-matter-banner-stunt

    Admitting to being under the influence of cocaine is also probably a sacking offence.

    Can you imagine the damage a coked up welder could do?
    White lines matter.
    That post could well set a new PB record for number of likes.
    What IS the record?

    I'm imagining a post whereby a much loved contributor of long standing announces the birth of their first grandchild AND slags off Jeremy Corbyn on the same day they get the all clear from cancer.
    You forgot "...while incidentally relating an anecdote involving an Albanian black cab driver"
    ☺ - but I had someone else in mind.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    Alistair said:

    Trump wasn't kidding around about the less testing

    https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1275823820448976897?s=19

    What is Trump going to blame the invitable rise in excess deaths on when they are no longer dying of "kung flu"?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Alistair said:

    Trump wasn't kidding around about the less testing

    twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1275823820448976897?s=19

    Coronavirus is so last month...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205

    Classic Guardian / BBC bias by omission...trying to find uk version of George Floyd, after last week tasering of rappers dad, where when you looked they obstructed the police and a number of people in the house found guilty of criminal offences...we have this tale.

    BBC News - Man paralysed in Taser fall says race made him a target
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53165938

    Sounds bad, man seem to keep being targeted by the po po and this time tries to run aw ay and there seems to be a terrible accident...the po po are dead racist innit, they keep bothering me when i only have a bit of weed for personal use 2 days running bruv.

    Then i notice the one sentence, saying has been in prison.

    2 second google search later...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-40110712

    So you mean you previous were part of a gang who supplied large amounts of drugs and wonder why the police might interest in you. Makes you wonder what else was omitted, like why the police tactical response unit detained you the day before.

    Rekt, as some might say.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Classic Guardian / BBC bias by omission...trying to find uk version of George Floyd, after last week tasering of rappers dad, where when you looked they obstructed the police and a number of people in the house found guilty of criminal offences...we have this tale.

    BBC News - Man paralysed in Taser fall says race made him a target
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53165938

    Sounds bad, man seem to keep being targeted by the po po and this time tries to run aw ay and there seems to be a terrible accident...the po po are dead racist innit, they keep bothering me when i only have a bit of weed for personal use 2 days running bruv.

    Then i notice the one sentence, saying has been in prison.

    2 second google search later...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-40110712

    So you mean you previous were part of a gang who supplied large amounts of drugs and wonder why the police might interest in you. Makes you wonder what else was omitted, like why the police tactical response unit detained you the day before.

    The BBC have decided to fully embrace the BLM agenda and to push it as much as they possibly can. It is shameful.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Alistair said:

    Trump wasn't kidding around about the less testing

    https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1275823820448976897?s=19

    Must take a huge genius to realise that if you eliminate the testing you eliminate the cases and the problem goes away.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    Tory MPs reported to be on Parler, (the alternative to Twitter):

    Paul Howell (Sedgefield)
    Maria Caulfield (Lewes)
    Mark Jenkinson (Workington)
    Ranil Jayawardena (NE Hants)
    Dean Russell (Watford)
    James Cleverly (Braintree)
    Angela Richardson (Guildford)
    Nadine Dorries (Mid Beds)
    Steve Baker (Wycombe)
    Henry Smith (Crawley)
    Ben Bradley (Mansfield)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    MaxPB said:

    Given this, why is my dad struggling to get a blood test to check up on his diabetes and cholesterol problem? He keeps getting told that the NHS is only taking emergency appointments but there's surely enough capacity now to have appointments back to normal. Honestly if my dad has a stroke I'd be tempted to sue the NHS for dereliction of duty at this point.

    Sorry to hear this Max.

    There’s a national scandal brewing on NHS displacement.

    The simple truth is that low-risk covid patients are - or at least were - being favoured over moderate-risk non-covid patients.

    The hysteria over this virus has more casualties than one might assume.

    Hope your father gets fixed up soon.
    Ahem

    "UK hospitals are designed for high throughput and occupancy. Corridors are narrow, lifts are small, offices and examination rooms crowded and most wards are designed with bays of six patients rather than the single rooms common abroad. Waiting rooms are intimate and diagnostic units such as outpatients and emergency departments can not work at full capacity while maintaining a 2 metre distance. Architecturally UK Hospitals are amongst the worst places for social distancing, and are by their very nature full of the highest risk population."

    "The combination of a 3-4 month suspension of elective surgery, reduced availability of operating theatre space and reduced throughput on operating lists will greatly lengthen surgical and diagnostics waiting lists. I suspect this productivity will drop by 50% or more for the duration of the coronavirus, so likely to be for 12-24 months."

    From: https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/05/17/28-weeks-later-the-coronavirus-aftermath-for-the-nhs-and-its-political-implications/

    Its a bloody nightmare and capacity in my clinics is about 30% of pre-covid levels, for patients just like your dad.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Classic Guardian / BBC bias by omission...trying to find uk version of George Floyd, after last week tasering of rappers dad, where when you looked they obstructed the police and a number of people in the house found guilty of criminal offences...we have this tale.

    BBC News - Man paralysed in Taser fall says race made him a target
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53165938

    Sounds bad, man seem to keep being targeted by the po po and this time tries to run aw ay and there seems to be a terrible accident...the po po are dead racist innit, they keep bothering me when i only have a bit of weed for personal use 2 days running bruv.

    Then i notice the one sentence, saying has been in prison.

    2 second google search later...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-40110712

    So you mean you previous were part of a gang who supplied large amounts of drugs and wonder why the police might interest in you. Makes you wonder what else was omitted, like why the police tactical response unit detained you the day before.

    The BBC have decided to fully embrace the BLM agenda and to push it as much as they possibly can. It is shameful.
    The taser is a defensive weapon wrong to deploy it to stop someone running away.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Classic Guardian / BBC bias by omission...trying to find uk version of George Floyd, after last week tasering of rappers dad, where when you looked they obstructed the police and a number of people in the house found guilty of criminal offences...we have this tale.

    BBC News - Man paralysed in Taser fall says race made him a target
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53165938

    Sounds bad, man seem to keep being targeted by the po po and this time tries to run aw ay and there seems to be a terrible accident...the po po are dead racist innit, they keep bothering me when i only have a bit of weed for personal use 2 days running bruv.

    Then i notice the one sentence, saying has been in prison.

    2 second google search later...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-40110712

    So you mean you previous were part of a gang who supplied large amounts of drugs and wonder why the police might interest in you. Makes you wonder what else was omitted, like why the police tactical response unit detained you the day before.

    Why exactly do you think it appropriate to (badly) stereotypically mock young Black London slang and colloquialism?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    "There is no real Moran strategy - she isn't not a tactical thinker. She has never found a bandwagon onto which she isn't excited to jump on - just to prove how woke and 'progressive' she is."

    Each to her own, but she's come out as a pansexual.

    As Harry Enfield would say. "Oi, Layla, No. If you think you're coming round to my house and humping my chip pan, you've got another think coming."
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Nigelb said:
    Diabetes is I think responsible for 15% or something of all NHS spend already...
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    Andy_JS said:

    Tory MPs reported to be on Parler, (the alternative to Twitter):

    Paul Howell (Sedgefield)
    Maria Caulfield (Lewes)
    Mark Jenkinson (Workington)
    Ranil Jayawardena (NE Hants)
    Dean Russell (Watford)
    James Cleverly (Braintree)
    Angela Richardson (Guildford)
    Nadine Dorries (Mid Beds)
    Steve Baker (Wycombe)
    Henry Smith (Crawley)
    Ben Bradley (Mansfield)

    This is why I’m so pleased SKS is the Labour leader: I can vote for someone other than Steve Baker next time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Nigelb said:
    Yes, we are seeing quite a bit of this.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
    From what little I understand of the present LD situation (which isn't very much, given that they're obviously getting completely drowned out by crises and are pretty marginal nowadays in any event,) the Moran Plan seems to consist of trying to position themselves somewhere to the Left of Labour.

    This would appear to be a sub-optimal strategy. Fighting for a rather small pool of very left-wing voters (many of whom loathe them anyway) with Labour, the Greens and the minor left parties won't win them enough support to gain additional seats, and doesn't strike one as an attractive stance to adopt in relation either to Eurosceptic rural voters in the South-West or Europhile but wealthy voters in the South-East.

    I don't see what they can possibly have to gain from such a shift. It leaves the Lib Dems holding on to nothing but a core habit vote of maybe 6-7% of the electorate, vulnerable to whatever moderate floating voters they still attract drifting off to support Starmer, and dangerously reliant on the ability of their surviving MPs to leverage their incumbency.

    I don't know anything about what Ed Davey is meant to stand for. The candidate of benign neglect, perhaps? Neither offensive nor inspiring? Perhaps that will work better, but it does rather depend on large numbers of voters being in a "plague on both their houses" mood by 2024, and particularly on Labour being unable or unwilling to crush the Lib Dems. With Davey's background as a Coalition minister, that may be wishful thinking.

    We should also remember that four of the eleven Lib Dem MPs represent Scottish seats and may, as such, find themselves out of a job before the end of the current Parliamentary term.

    The party collapsed to eight seats in 2015, and the old Liberals were down to six for most of the 1950s and in the 1970-74 Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that they couldn't fare as badly or worse at the next election.
    Haven't the Liberals/Lib Dems always done best when there was a Tory government with a not too scary Labour opposition?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    kinabalu said:

    Alistair said:

    kinabalu said:

    The guy from the white lives matter plane banner has been sacked from his job.

    Might make for an interesting court case if he sues for unfair dismissal.

    Was he a heart surgeon? Something like that?
    Why is his job relevant? what is relevant is that he has lost his job for making a political statement that probably has not broken any laws.

    can people be sacked for making legal political statements? I'm not sure they can.
    He's not being sacked for legal political statements, he's been sacked for using terms like 'Pakis' on social media.
    Oh come now TSE, he's simply trying to make an in good faith best effort attempt to fit into Twitter's character limits and the very notion of racial animosity is an affront to the man.

    The court case, when forthcoming, will be a stunning success for him.
    Fake news, he's only a racist because he's coked up off his tits.

    Hepple claims he isn't racist

    He explained to the Daily Mail: "I'm not racist. I know people are trying to make out to be one but I'm not. I've got lots of Black and Asian friends and this banner was actually inspired by the Black Lives Movement.

    "We were not trying to offend the movement or black people. I believe that it's also important to acknowledge that white lives matter too. That's all we were trying to say."

    He explained away some of his racist language by saying he sometimes gets 'a bit coked up and uses offensive language'.


    https://www.givemesport.com/1577049-burnley-fan-jake-hepple-has-been-sacked-after-white-lives-matter-banner-stunt

    Admitting to being under the influence of cocaine is also probably a sacking offence.

    Can you imagine the damage a coked up welder could do?
    White lines matter.
    That post could well set a new PB record for number of likes.
    What IS the record?

    I'm imagining a post whereby a much loved contributor of long standing announces the birth of their first grandchild AND slags off Jeremy Corbyn on the same day they get the all clear from cancer.
    Perhaps with a 'more in sorrow than in anger' critique of BJ thrown in?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    "Mansfield MP Ben Bradley says Black Lives Matter movement is creating 'division'

    Ben Bradley MP took to social media to air his thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement."

    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/people/mansfield-mp-ben-bradley-says-black-lives-matter-movement-creating-division-2893442
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    For those betting on LibDem leadership - the positon at 5pm tonight.
    Much too early to read anything into this I think.

    I'll feel a little bad for him if he loses yet again, but despite playing up his Tory fighting credentials I just have this suspicion the good people of 2020 are not ever the coalition yet and the LDs won't want to risk people bringing it up all the time.
    Layla is clear fav atm - 1.65.
    Funny when you remember 2 MP nominations each is more than half the party accounted for :p.
    Only way is up for the LDs surely.
    Not at all. They've come back from a worse position (well, their predecessors anyway), but that's no guarnatee they will again

    I think they are in real trouble in some areas that used to of relative strength. Here in the SW for instance they still haven't even regained second place in many seats, so it is not impossible (though I don't think it likely) that Labour could consolidate the anti-tory vote in some of those areas. And they could still go backwards.
    Both demographics and cultural issues (e.g. SW has always been more eurosceptic, LDs included) are trending away from LDs down these parts
    From what little I understand of the present LD situation (which isn't very much, given that they're obviously getting completely drowned out by crises and are pretty marginal nowadays in any event,) the Moran Plan seems to consist of trying to position themselves somewhere to the Left of Labour.

    This would appear to be a sub-optimal strategy. Fighting for a rather small pool of very left-wing voters (many of whom loathe them anyway) with Labour, the Greens and the minor left parties won't win them enough support to gain additional seats, and doesn't strike one as an attractive stance to adopt in relation either to Eurosceptic rural voters in the South-West or Europhile but wealthy voters in the South-East.

    I don't see what they can possibly have to gain from such a shift. It leaves the Lib Dems holding on to nothing but a core habit vote of maybe 6-7% of the electorate, vulnerable to whatever moderate floating voters they still attract drifting off to support Starmer, and dangerously reliant on the ability of their surviving MPs to leverage their incumbency.

    I don't know anything about what Ed Davey is meant to stand for. The candidate of benign neglect, perhaps? Neither offensive nor inspiring? Perhaps that will work better, but it does rather depend on large numbers of voters being in a "plague on both their houses" mood by 2024, and particularly on Labour being unable or unwilling to crush the Lib Dems. With Davey's background as a Coalition minister, that may be wishful thinking.

    We should also remember that four of the eleven Lib Dem MPs represent Scottish seats and may, as such, find themselves out of a job before the end of the current Parliamentary term.

    The party collapsed to eight seats in 2015, and the old Liberals were down to six for most of the 1950s and in the 1970-74 Parliament. There's no particular reason to suppose that they couldn't fare as badly or worse at the next election.
    Haven't the Liberals/Lib Dems always done best when there was a Tory government with a not too scary Labour opposition?
    Nope, the most number of Lib Dem/Liberal/Alliance MPs in the last 96 years was achieved with a Labour government.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    With this really hot weather what's the most appropriate film to watching during the summer?

    It has to be a film that was originally released at this time of year.

    So I'm going to go for Die Hard.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Pulpstar said:

    @QUincel What do you think the closest state will be ?

    Georgia or NC perhaps ?

    If I were being mischievous, I'd say Arkansas.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    EPG said:

    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.

    That would do, although gaining the Senate would be good.
    He's 9.7% ahead on 538 and looking good on 270towin
    https://www.270towin.com/maps/consensus-2020-electoral-map-forecast
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    edited June 2020
    So, in addition to the issue of the £41m, the scheme would get canned.

    Quite a reasonable suggestion as the 41m charge would be an extra surcharge of about 35-40k on each market price unit.

    Even in luxury London that matters.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    edited June 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    Jenrick has always seemed over-promoted IMO.
    I tend to take an indulgent view of [politicians, since in my experience they generally mean well. But I'm finding it difficult to understand why Mr Jenrick is still in post.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    edited June 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    Tory MPs reported to be on Parler, (the alternative to Twitter):

    Paul Howell (Sedgefield)
    Maria Caulfield (Lewes)
    Mark Jenkinson (Workington)
    Ranil Jayawardena (NE Hants)
    Dean Russell (Watford)
    James Cleverly (Braintree)
    Angela Richardson (Guildford)
    Nadine Dorries (Mid Beds)
    Steve Baker (Wycombe)
    Henry Smith (Crawley)
    Ben Bradley (Mansfield)

    The big question is can Parler be embedded on PB - the amount of embedded tweets we get treated to, one Scott P on the case could double its impressions.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mansfield MP Ben Bradley says Black Lives Matter movement is creating 'division'

    Ben Bradley MP took to social media to air his thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement."

    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/people/mansfield-mp-ben-bradley-says-black-lives-matter-movement-creating-division-2893442

    My view on Ben Bradley is that he is an absolute helmet.

    I base my view not on his recent comments but on his track record of being an utter bellend of the first order in the years gone by.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Statue of first female MP Nancy Astor is defaced by vandals with 'Nazi' spraypainted on its plinth after it appeared on hit list of 'racist' statues to be torn down

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8455935/Nancy-Astor-defaced-vandals-Nazi-spray-painted-plinth.html
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mansfield MP Ben Bradley says Black Lives Matter movement is creating 'division'

    Ben Bradley MP took to social media to air his thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement."

    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/people/mansfield-mp-ben-bradley-says-black-lives-matter-movement-creating-division-2893442

    I used to find Help the Aged divisive, but sadly now Im moving towards supporting them and finding Save the Children hugely problematic.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mansfield MP Ben Bradley says Black Lives Matter movement is creating 'division'

    Ben Bradley MP took to social media to air his thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement."

    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/people/mansfield-mp-ben-bradley-says-black-lives-matter-movement-creating-division-2893442

    That's Benny B. who said a coked up pal of Tommy Robinson who regularly uses the term P*ki flying a WLM banner over the Etihad wasn't really about racism? Worth listening to.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    EPG said:

    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.

    Que? Obama had a 3.9% lead over Romney. The RCP lead has Biden 10.1 percentage points ahead.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    edited June 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mansfield MP Ben Bradley says Black Lives Matter movement is creating 'division'

    Ben Bradley MP took to social media to air his thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement."

    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/people/mansfield-mp-ben-bradley-says-black-lives-matter-movement-creating-division-2893442

    It seems to be one of the more useful and detailed exchanges I have seen, on both sides.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    Andy_JS said:

    Jenrick has always seemed over-promoted IMO.
    I tend to take an indulgent view of [politicians, since in my experience they generally mean well. But I'm finding it difficult to understand why Mr Jenrick is still in post.
    I certainly don't see what he is bringing to the table in his department that someone else could not, someone who has not at best been careless in a highly legal field.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    '“Where it is possible to keep 2 metres apart, people should,” he added. “But where it is not, we will advise people to keep a social distance of 1-metre-plus, meaning they should remain 1 metre apart, while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission.”'

    Whole lotta mitigatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1275826223101476865?s=20
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    "The BBC has a diversity problem – it's just not the one they think it is

    The national broadcaster is badly out of tune with the instincts of the British people, writes our columnist
    ALLISON PEARSON" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/bbc-has-diversity-problem-just-not-one-think/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Statue of first female MP Nancy Astor is defaced by vandals with 'Nazi' spraypainted on its plinth after it appeared on hit list of 'racist' statues to be torn down

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8455935/Nancy-Astor-defaced-vandals-Nazi-spray-painted-plinth.html

    She was a massive anti-Semite. And not even the first women to win an election to the House of Parliament.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited June 2020
    Jimmy Savile would have been funnier. And Bin Laden should be at the Emirates.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    edited June 2020

    '“Where it is possible to keep 2 metres apart, people should,” he added. “But where it is not, we will advise people to keep a social distance of 1-metre-plus, meaning they should remain 1 metre apart, while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission.”'

    Whole lotta mitigatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1275826223101476865?s=20

    Can't say I'll be rushing down there but being outside is a mitigating measure I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Alistair said:

    Statue of first female MP Nancy Astor is defaced by vandals with 'Nazi' spraypainted on its plinth after it appeared on hit list of 'racist' statues to be torn down

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8455935/Nancy-Astor-defaced-vandals-Nazi-spray-painted-plinth.html

    She was a massive anti-Semite. And not even the first women to win an election to the House of Parliament.
    Nobody claimed otherwise with the latter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Alistair said:

    EPG said:

    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.

    Que? Obama had a 3.9% lead over Romney. The RCP lead has Biden 10.1 percentage points ahead.
    If @HYUFD were here, he would predict a Biden landslide on the basis of current polling. Personally, I think Trump on EV 200-249 with Ladbrokes is the value at 3/1.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249

    Nigelb said:
    Diabetes is I think responsible for 15% or something of all NHS spend already...
    The latest detailed number I have seen recently was a bit less than that - 9% in year 2017-18. 9.8 bn from 110 bn. Still painful, though.

    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/diabetes uk cost of diabetes report.pdf
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482

    Andy_JS said:

    "Mansfield MP Ben Bradley says Black Lives Matter movement is creating 'division'

    Ben Bradley MP took to social media to air his thoughts on the Black Lives Matter movement."

    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/people/mansfield-mp-ben-bradley-says-black-lives-matter-movement-creating-division-2893442

    My view on Ben Bradley is that he is an absolute helmet.

    I base my view not on his recent comments but on his track record of being an utter bellend of the first order in the years gone by.
    That's as maybe (not aware of him before now - I thought he was a Labour MP). I agree with 90% of what he's written about BLM, and applaud him for doing so.

    I don't agree with the basis of his criticism regarding the slogan Black Lives Matter - as people have pointed out, it is only the same as Save the Children, Help the Aged, or any other specifically focused charity or campaign. What annoys me about the slogan is its application to Britain, because we are not America, and I think it's a cynical and grotesquely unfair dismissal of everything our country has done over decades to improve racial equality.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Foxy said:

    Alistair said:

    EPG said:

    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.

    Que? Obama had a 3.9% lead over Romney. The RCP lead has Biden 10.1 percentage points ahead.
    If @HYUFD were here, he would predict a Biden landslide on the basis of current polling. Personally, I think Trump on EV 200-249 with Ladbrokes is the value at 3/1.
    On current polling he's below 200 ECVs.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    '“Where it is possible to keep 2 metres apart, people should,” he added. “But where it is not, we will advise people to keep a social distance of 1-metre-plus, meaning they should remain 1 metre apart, while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission.”'

    Whole lotta mitigatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1275826223101476865?s=20

    There’s been scenes like this since April.

    All have transpired to be genetically modified gigantic Great Danes with a speech impediment.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    edited June 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Alistair said:

    EPG said:

    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.

    Que? Obama had a 3.9% lead over Romney. The RCP lead has Biden 10.1 percentage points ahead.
    If @HYUFD were here, he would predict a Biden landslide on the basis of current polling. Personally, I think Trump on EV 200-249 with Ladbrokes is the value at 3/1.
    On current polling he's below 200 ECVs.
    I am expecting a little swingback, but he could well be trounced bigly.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Andy_JS said:

    "The BBC has a diversity problem – it's just not the one they think it is

    The national broadcaster is badly out of tune with the instincts of the British people, writes our columnist
    ALLISON PEARSON" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/bbc-has-diversity-problem-just-not-one-think/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    Is this the article where she said she didn't even realise the characters were black because they seemed like normal human beings?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929

    With this really hot weather what's the most appropriate film to watching during the summer?

    It has to be a film that was originally released at this time of year.

    So I'm going to go for Die Hard.

    I'll be rewatching When Boris Met Dave tonight.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    edited June 2020
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Given this, why is my dad struggling to get a blood test to check up on his diabetes and cholesterol problem? He keeps getting told that the NHS is only taking emergency appointments but there's surely enough capacity now to have appointments back to normal. Honestly if my dad has a stroke I'd be tempted to sue the NHS for dereliction of duty at this point.

    Sorry to hear this Max.

    There’s a national scandal brewing on NHS displacement.

    The simple truth is that low-risk covid patients are - or at least were - being favoured over moderate-risk non-covid patients.

    The hysteria over this virus has more casualties than one might assume.

    Hope your father gets fixed up soon.
    Ahem

    "UK hospitals are designed for high throughput and occupancy. Corridors are narrow, lifts are small, offices and examination rooms crowded and most wards are designed with bays of six patients rather than the single rooms common abroad. Waiting rooms are intimate and diagnostic units such as outpatients and emergency departments can not work at full capacity while maintaining a 2 metre distance. Architecturally UK Hospitals are amongst the worst places for social distancing, and are by their very nature full of the highest risk population."

    "The combination of a 3-4 month suspension of elective surgery, reduced availability of operating theatre space and reduced throughput on operating lists will greatly lengthen surgical and diagnostics waiting lists. I suspect this productivity will drop by 50% or more for the duration of the coronavirus, so likely to be for 12-24 months."

    From: https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/05/17/28-weeks-later-the-coronavirus-aftermath-for-the-nhs-and-its-political-implications/

    Its a bloody nightmare and capacity in my clinics is about 30% of pre-covid levels, for patients just like your dad.
    Sorry to hear the news.

    Shouldn't a simple A1c or Cholesterol blood test be a matter for the GP? Or is that where the brick wall is?

    (Or for his own peace of mind an A1cNow home test is available for that one - not expensive and OK quality wise; when I have done those they are pretty close to the Dr ones. Subject to contradiction by @Foxy ).
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    With this really hot weather what's the most appropriate film to watching during the summer?

    It has to be a film that was originally released at this time of year.

    So I'm going to go for Die Hard.

    I'll be rewatching When Boris Met Dave tonight.
    Under the Volcano seems appropriate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Douglas Murray very ranty about what happened in Reading.

    https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    With this really hot weather what's the most appropriate film to watching during the summer?

    It has to be a film that was originally released at this time of year.

    So I'm going to go for Die Hard.

    I'll be rewatching When Boris Met Dave tonight.
    Doesn't one have to put up with Toby Young if you watch that?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pulpstar said:

    '“Where it is possible to keep 2 metres apart, people should,” he added. “But where it is not, we will advise people to keep a social distance of 1-metre-plus, meaning they should remain 1 metre apart, while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission.”'

    Whole lotta mitigatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1275826223101476865?s=20

    Can't say I'll be rushing down there but being outside is a mitigating measure I think.
    Correct. You are more likely to come a cropper from falling down the stairs in your own house than from being on a busy Bournemouth beach.

    The general perception of risk is even more out of whack than normal, thanks to the government’s campaign of fear.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    Andy_JS said:

    Jenrick has always seemed over-promoted IMO.
    I tend to take an indulgent view of [politicians, since in my experience they generally mean well. But I'm finding it difficult to understand why Mr Jenrick is still in post.
    Well, I heard on the PM programme that the Conservative Party's favourite pornographer says Jenrick is very nice and it is all the fault of Sadiq Khan. I hope I have cleared that up.

    As for Hancock and Tattersalls, the excuses are still in the post.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    Douglas Murray very ranty about what happened in Reading.

    https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA

    Douglas Murray isn't very bright, especially on this subject.

    https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1275444284171280385
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited June 2020

    Pulpstar said:

    '“Where it is possible to keep 2 metres apart, people should,” he added. “But where it is not, we will advise people to keep a social distance of 1-metre-plus, meaning they should remain 1 metre apart, while taking mitigations to reduce the risk of transmission.”'

    Whole lotta mitigatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1275826223101476865?s=20

    Can't say I'll be rushing down there but being outside is a mitigating measure I think.
    Correct. You are more likely to come a cropper from falling down the stairs in your own house than from being on a busy Bournemouth beach.

    The general perception of risk is even more out of whack than normal, thanks to the government’s campaign of fear.
    I believe i am correct in saying this....the positive test numbers in the daily tweet include positive antibody tests i.e. people who have had it, not people who have it.

    I have to believe they are doing this for behavioural nudge reasons, as they don't need them to bump test numbers anymore and they could easily have two columns for positive new, positive had it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    There is a funny drama series called Flack, with Anna Paquin, on UKTV - It is froth but very good script, often breathtakingly amoral, but all too believable. Anyway, one of the funniest episodes features a footballer who decides to come out as gay for publicity (and another who is actually gay but 'stays in'). Highly recommended.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV7Eq1o-bHs

    I believe the second series is now out, but I haven't see it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    I’d never heard of Bobby Jenrick, until I learned of his existence on PB.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    TimT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @QUincel What do you think the closest state will be ?

    Georgia or NC perhaps ?

    If I were being mischievous, I'd say Arkansas.
    Texas.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:
    Yes, we are seeing quite a bit of this.
    Do you have any stats or age profiles on that?

    Are we seeing more T1D diagnoses in the Theresa May / Lindsay Hoyle age range?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Given this, why is my dad struggling to get a blood test to check up on his diabetes and cholesterol problem? He keeps getting told that the NHS is only taking emergency appointments but there's surely enough capacity now to have appointments back to normal. Honestly if my dad has a stroke I'd be tempted to sue the NHS for dereliction of duty at this point.

    Sorry to hear this Max.

    There’s a national scandal brewing on NHS displacement.

    The simple truth is that low-risk covid patients are - or at least were - being favoured over moderate-risk non-covid patients.

    The hysteria over this virus has more casualties than one might assume.

    Hope your father gets fixed up soon.
    Ahem

    "UK hospitals are designed for high throughput and occupancy. Corridors are narrow, lifts are small, offices and examination rooms crowded and most wards are designed with bays of six patients rather than the single rooms common abroad. Waiting rooms are intimate and diagnostic units such as outpatients and emergency departments can not work at full capacity while maintaining a 2 metre distance. Architecturally UK Hospitals are amongst the worst places for social distancing, and are by their very nature full of the highest risk population."

    "The combination of a 3-4 month suspension of elective surgery, reduced availability of operating theatre space and reduced throughput on operating lists will greatly lengthen surgical and diagnostics waiting lists. I suspect this productivity will drop by 50% or more for the duration of the coronavirus, so likely to be for 12-24 months."

    From: https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/05/17/28-weeks-later-the-coronavirus-aftermath-for-the-nhs-and-its-political-implications/

    Its a bloody nightmare and capacity in my clinics is about 30% of pre-covid levels, for patients just like your dad.
    Sorry to hear the news.

    Shouldn't a simple A1c or Cholesterol blood test be a matter for the GP? Or is that where the brick wall is?

    (Or for his own peace of mind an A1cNow home test is available for that one - not expensive and OK quality wise; when I have done those they are pretty close to the Dr ones. Subject to contradiction by @Foxy ).
    Sure, repeat blood tests and a phone consult when results are back should be easy enough.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    Alistair said:

    EPG said:

    Say this is as good as it gets for Biden. He'd still only win about as bigly as Obama's second go.

    Que? Obama had a 3.9% lead over Romney. The RCP lead has Biden 10.1 percentage points ahead.
    If @HYUFD were here, he would predict a Biden landslide on the basis of current polling. Personally, I think Trump on EV 200-249 with Ladbrokes is the value at 3/1.
    On current polling he's below 200 ECVs.
    I am expecting a little swingback, but he could well be trounced bigly.
    I am expecting a shy Trump vote this time out. College educated suburban whites who voted Trump in 2016 expecting the "solemn gravity of the office" (copyright every fucking American political journalist 2016) to moderate him and are deeply embarrassed that it hasn't. But that isn't going to stop them voting GOP.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,702
    Alistair said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The BBC has a diversity problem – it's just not the one they think it is

    The national broadcaster is badly out of tune with the instincts of the British people, writes our columnist
    ALLISON PEARSON" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/bbc-has-diversity-problem-just-not-one-think/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

    Is this the article where she said she didn't even realise the characters were black because they seemed like normal human beings?
    Allison Pearson, that's a blast from the past. Whatever happened to Tom Paulin?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Douglas Murray very ranty about what happened in Reading.

    https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA

    I knew that two were gay, I didn't know the third was gay. It's gone out of thew news very quickly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    The pilots of a Pakistani plane that came down in a residential area, killing 97 of the 99 people on board, were chatting about coronavirus, not paying attention to the landing, the country’s aviation minister said.

    https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pia-plane-crash-pilots-were-discussing-coronavirus-and-lacked-focus-1.72224982
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222

    With this really hot weather what's the most appropriate film to watching during the summer?

    It has to be a film that was originally released at this time of year.

    So I'm going to go for Die Hard.

    Body Heat, with the incomparable Kathleen Turner.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    tlg86 said:

    Douglas Murray very ranty about what happened in Reading.

    https://youtu.be/FX8u9-asJpA

    I knew that two were gay, I didn't know the third was gay. It's gone out of thew news very quickly.
    I tend to only scan the news so only really pick up details if something sticks around a lot, I didn't know any were gay.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929

    With this really hot weather what's the most appropriate film to watching during the summer?

    It has to be a film that was originally released at this time of year.

    So I'm going to go for Die Hard.

    I'll be rewatching When Boris Met Dave tonight.
    Doesn't one have to put up with Toby Young if you watch that?
    Toby Young always puts me in mind of Tara Palmer-Tomkinson, in that I was never sure why she was all over the papers either. The best part of When Boris Met Dave is GOP guru and Oxford contemporary Frank Luntz skewering Boris's less than truthful campaign for presidency of the Oxford Union.
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