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Which brings me on to the awful cycle of life. I spent the first thirty odd years rolling my eyes whilst listening to people from the East End/Essex droning on, hoping to bask in reflected glory, about some tenuous link they had to The Krays, and how "they were lovely to their mums", "only killed their own" etc etc, then finally when that rubbish dies down, it is replaced by the same shit from progressive, woke student types about BAME criminals.
I am still not going to be wetting my pants or losing much sleep over the statue's toppling though.
If our civilisation survived intact the 1981 riots, the Poll Tax riots, the 2011 riots and numerous others over the years - well, call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I think we'll get through this.
I'm sure Mr Floyd was far from an angel. And the police deserve our respect for dealing with the dangerous and the mentally ill and the drugged up on a daily basis. It cannot be easy remaining calm under constant provocation, and then subduing the psychotic.
We need to give them some slack.
But there also comes a point when one has to draw the line. The police are in the apprehension business, not the judging and punishing business. They get to use as much force as they need to do that part of their job. And yes, we need to be aware of the pressures they are under, but we also need to remember that they too are subject to the law.
Beyond the point where he poses no danger to the officers, he gets to be restrained, and that's it. That's why police get handcuffs.
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1270336319433199616?s=20
Statues have always gone up and down. The Milligan one spent over 50 years in storage I believe after it had been removed in the past, so if it goes back into storage then what's the issue?
Destroying them would be another matter, but removing them from the plinth and putting them into storage - what's the issue? If you're not happy with that,elect a new Mayor who can take them back out of storage and put it back on the plinth.
Floyd's autopsy really encapsulated several of the epidemics in the United States: Police brutality, narcotic abuse and coronavirus. He had all three at once.
Edit: Or rather, to correct myself, a Mr. Gene Mutation.
If people want Gladstone, Churchill or Cromwell gone then so be it. I would personally oppose those coming down [except Cromwell, I'm indifferent to him]. If a statue of Churchill was pulled down by a mob I'd bet it would be back up within 24 hours.
Who we have on our plinths today is up to the people today - not up to the people of the past. There is no divine right for any statue to remain on a plinth.
Same for the future. If in the future a democratic government chose to take down a statue of Churchill and replace it with a statue of Boris Johnson or Keir Starmer then that would be up to that future government.
A mere 1000 or so games for the massive price of Five whole American dollars.
https://itch.io/b/520/bundle-for-racial-justice-and-equality
Worth it for "A Short Hike" alone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52986922
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/conservative-party-spelthorne-borough-council-18391447#ICID=ios_GetSurreyNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other
Presumably you'd accept that statues of Hitler should not be put in public spaces?
In which case, if some statues are unacceptable how do we decide which ones?
Cf. D. Trump's supporters.
Do we want to suffer all that again?
It is time for the citizens to take this into their own hands and overthrow the politicians who dare to do the things the voters elected them to do.
You can't have it both ways. Either the politicians are responsible for the statues, or they're not.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
Weren't we all assuming Trump would benefit from the Law and Order card?
Khan’s action looks like a political move to try and get a little credit. That’s wrong. There should have been reasoned consideration about whether that was an appropriate statue to have there (or anywhere)
However I note that you appear to think self enrichment at the cost of a bit of light genocide, torture and murder is excusable if you're of the correct lineage.
It seems we are in violent agreement on this issue.
Whatever next, a journalist scoops a news story to try and get a little credit?
Maybe next week a footballer might shoot at goal to try and get a little credit?
Where will the madness end?
And, no I don’t think any of the things you ascribed to me. Leopold’s actions in the Congo are a stain on humanity
Set up with the assistance of Henry Morgan Stanley of course.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018
The phrase "In your guts, you know he's nuts", applied to Goldwater and Trump.
It has no bigger implications. If the public give a damn about this want the statue back they can vote for a Mayor who pledges to put the statue back.
Do I sense another shift?
Thanks for the correction.
The population is 1000. White 900, Black 100.
Assume that 1-in-10 commit a murder randomly (and simultaneously).
90 White people commit a murder, of which 81 are of White people and 9 are Black.
10 Black people commit a murder, of which 9 are White and 1 is Black.
The number of whites killed by blacks is equal to the number of blacks killed by whites.
Perhaps even this simple mathematics is too complicated for me. What have I done wrong?
I'm supporting "the nutters" as you put it and the energy and blessing comes from believing its the right thing to do, not from the Mayor doing the right thing.
I thought the desire stated here by many over the weekend was that it should be done within the law, which is how this was done. Seems nothing's good enough.
If he’d waited a month and had a public consultation - or exercised his judgement - then fine.
*Now* looks like a response to Colston
It’s the same with policemen and women bending the knee. They shouldn’t. Symbols matter and it’s not their place to make that call
But yes, I agree with you.
I had a look on YouTube following his apology to Craig David at a Bo Selecta clip, it was absolutely cringeworthy looking back at that.
Personally I wouldn't remove it from the iPlayer library though, just put a disclaimer on it if need be that its dated and contains out of date stereotypes. That's what Disney have done with a number of old films, I put the original Dumbo movie on for the kids recently and there's a disclaimer at the start that it contains dated stereotypes. That's a reasonable method of dealing with it. Though having said that Song of the South is not available via DisneyPlus and I expect it never will be - I watched that at school in the 80s but I very doubt it will see the light of day ever again.
In the second series in particular the gentle eccentricity gave out to gross out comedy. Ting Tong, Bubbles de Vere, and the vomiting racist WI matrons were not funny.
It was not my intention to alter the point. TBH, after going back and re-reading the original post, I still feel it was very vaguely worded. If PB allowed editing (after 6 mins) I would add the original back in, because I do not think it changes anything.
Symbols matter and it IS an elected Mayor's place to make that call. There is no need to wait, no need to have a public consultation, he has the authority and if he thinks its the right thing to do he can do it now he doesn't need to kick it into the long grass.
p.s. I always hated Little Britain because I don't find it even slightly funny, but taking it off air for the sake of PC? Sod that.