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edited March 2020 in General

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By any standards the live TV broadcast by Boris Johnson tonight was with without precedent in peacetime given how it takes away a huge amount of the freedom and discretion enjoyed by the individuals with the aim of impeding the impact of the coronavirus.

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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    Self isolated first?
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,019
    2 metres behind you
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    Third - arrested.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    The whole work thing needs clarifying.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    williamglenn said:

    Third - arrested.

    Ok, who grassed us up?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Excellent header. Right on the button.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    There is no exit strategy.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Tonights TV Listings
    ITV
    8.30PM Boris Johnson
    9.00PM Liar

    So he had a 90 min slot?
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    Lockdowns do work. It can be painful but we should be able to use the example of Italy and Spain to motivate us to keep going. What's harder is to get back to 'normal' at the end. But even there will be other countries we can learn from and make sure that subsequent epidemics are less economically disruptive.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    And guess who will by the ones complaining the loudest the government were shit when the NHS starts getting overloaded.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    There is still further ratcheting that can be applied. Although this is probably a week later than it should have been, I think the general strategy of gentle ratcheting up of restrictions is better than the sort of panicked move we saw in Italy.

    Only the largest of bell-ends are complaining that the government have gone too far. Where as if they had done this 3 weeks ago, all the innumerate idiots would be have been saying but there are only 50 cases, I don't need to worry about it.

    Longer term, this is life until a vaccine. We will do this for a month or two, then a while with lifted restrictions and rinse and repeat. German's made it clear they think 2 years of it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    And guess who will by the ones complaining the loudest the government were shit when the NHS starts getting overloaded.
    To be brutal and go all @eadric: The millennials have seen the algorithm that triage will use in the ventilator zone, and they reckon they have the points.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    A nice bit of stereotyping. The reality is that plenty of older people, and less hip people were out at the weekend too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    edited March 2020
    As I mentioned before, Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201" hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Sports Direct - words fail me.......
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Andy_JS said:

    Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201". Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    He famously gave a talk nearly 5 years ago at TED saying this would happen and how we should be preparing for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Floater said:

    Sports Direct - words fail me.......

    They have managed to outdo even Tim Martin and WH Smiths.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Starmer has the golden ticket.

    Looks like GE 2019 was a good one to lose.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    rottenborough said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    And guess who will by the ones complaining the loudest the government were shit when the NHS starts getting overloaded.
    To be brutal and go all @eadric: The millennials have seen the algorithm that triage will use in the ventilator zone, and they reckon they have the points.
    There are loads of bloody middle aged and oldies who haven't taken any notice either. If you are 40-50 and being acting like an inconsiderate arsehole, you really better hope Mr G-Tech can bash out 1000 ventilators a day.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    Theuniondivvie said:

    williamglenn said:

    Third - arrested.

    Ok, who grassed us up?
    Me. I'm making a list.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    What do you think he should do?

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    edited March 2020
    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    In some ways Johnson is likely to be on a hiding to nothing from here on in.

    Whatever he does or doesn't do, he will be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

    Critics thought the lockdown should have been actioned on Friday and still doesn't go far enough. Peter Hitchens says any lockdown is the mark of an oppressive dictatorship. So Boris is buggered either way.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Floater said:

    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    What do you think he should do?

    Right now I think the government need to up their comms game. Round the clock ads should be airing on TV for example.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Foxy said:

    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    A nice bit of stereotyping. The reality is that plenty of older people, and less hip people were out at the weekend too.
    I was told Chesterfield Town Centre was very busy today. "80% old people" according to my 66 year old mate
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,604
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201". Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    He famously gave a talk nearly 5 years ago at TED saying this would happen and how we should be preparing for it.
    https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Floater said:

    Sports Direct - words fail me.......

    What they done?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    bigjohnowls said:

    Foxy said:

    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    A nice bit of stereotyping. The reality is that plenty of older people, and less hip people were out at the weekend too.
    I was told Chesterfield Town Centre was very busy today. "80% old people" according to my 66 year old mate
    Town center fair enough if they need to stock up. Going to snowdonia, less so.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    Well they did campaign on ending freedom of movement...

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1242220796866629635
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Like OGH I was worried we wouldn’t be allowed out to exercise. That would have tested my patience, but thankfully it is allowed.

    These measures bring to mind something I have always thought about religious rules - that they came about to combat disease rather than out of moral purity. Aldultery, promiscuity, buggery, drunkenness etc all lead to the spread of diseases that thousands of years ago were not curable. So religion forbid them, and the law, being a derivative of religion, followed.

    Now we are in a time where people in the West were free to do whatever they want, with whoever they want, until last week, and it led to this. So now it is all banned. Maybe it will lead to a more restrictive, less touchy feely, prim society.

    I quite enjoyed the quiet of the town with the shops closed and people indoors today when I went out on my bike. Like a Sunday of old. I hope one day a week is like that in the future as it was before

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Trump just rambling. "sudden craziness coming into our world"
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this. The signs were there went parliament was prorogued, but they thought it all a bit of a lark and sneered at anyone who questioned it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Trump: Boeing. Greatest company in the world. They were ready to show their stuff until this hit.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited March 2020
    glw said:


    Trump is completely fucking nuts.

    He's completely fucking nuts, but he's also this memetic idiot savant, you can never quite be sure he isn't three steps ahead of you on the politics.

    If he's positioned as demanding things open up, the person forcing you to shut down and lose your job is your state governor. If you live in a swing state that person is a Democrat.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    bigjohnowls said:

    Floater said:

    Sports Direct - words fail me.......

    What they done?
    Ashley thinks they are the second NHS and therefore should be kept open.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    rottenborough said:

    Trump: Boeing. Greatest company in the world. They were ready to show their stuff until this hit.

    737 max anyone?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    bigjohnowls said:

    Floater said:

    Sports Direct - words fail me.......

    What they done?
    Decided they are a key business

    Bosses at Sports Direct have said all stores will remain open because selling sporting and fitness equipment makes the company a vital asset during a national shutdown, according to an email seen by the PA news agency.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
    I am watching it with a kind of horror - he really is fucking insane and a lot of people are going to die because of him
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601
    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    Because people can exercise once a day?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    RobD said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Foxy said:

    rottenborough said:

    Gabs3 said:

    So we have to do vast economic damage because so many of the public are cunts:
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1242218469090824194
    When this all over we are going to have to have radical policy changes to have more citizenship and morality taught in schools.

    Makes me mad. Everyone I know has been making a massive effort for the last week or so.

    But, no... down in avocado, hipster land, they can't decide whether to go out on the lash to eight different wine bars or spend the weekend in their camper van in Snowdonia doing some serious mountain biking.
    A nice bit of stereotyping. The reality is that plenty of older people, and less hip people were out at the weekend too.
    I was told Chesterfield Town Centre was very busy today. "80% old people" according to my 66 year old mate
    Town center fair enough if they need to stock up. Going to snowdonia, less so.
    Rammed into Marx and Spencer's the Socialist food/ clothing store
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    But his poll ratings are on the ascent.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jonathan said:

    Floater said:

    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    What do you think he should do?

    Right now I think the government need to up their comms game. Round the clock ads should be airing on TV for example.
    Your statement implied more than upping their communications game

    Welding people into their houses on your agenda?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    rottenborough said:

    Trump: Boeing. Greatest company in the world. They were ready to show their stuff until this hit.

    Boeing Boeing were all set to bounce back
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    I think its pretty damn close
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
    Just be grateful his voices aren’t suggesting he tries nukes to cure the virus.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
    Just caught a bit and he was basically claiming Idaho and Nebraska are doing great, because they have low numbers and a great governor, where as clearly California and New York are doing shit....has he ever been to Idaho or Nebraska?

    There is f##k all people there at the best of times. Idaho has like 1.5 million and the biggest "city" is Boise and it is nothing place, and the rest of the state, you can go for hours without seeing anybody.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this. The signs were there went parliament was prorogued, but they thought it all a bit of a lark and sneered at anyone who questioned it.

    I can't tell if you're arguing that the lockdown would be happening regardless of the pandemic, or that it shouldn't be happening irrespective of the pandemic.

    The latter seems out of kilter with what I perceive to be the rest of your politics, and the former is barking mad.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jonathan said:

    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
    Just be grateful his voices aren’t suggesting he tries nukes to cure the virus.
    Wait til he decides China did this deliberately .......

    Semi joking.........
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    Does Covid cure mindless binary thinking ?

    Asking for a nation.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    bigjohnowls said:

    rottenborough said:

    Trump: Boeing. Greatest company in the world. They were ready to show their stuff until this hit.

    Boeing Boeing were all set to bounce back
    Boeing, Boeing, gone...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    Floater said:

    Jonathan said:

    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
    Just be grateful his voices aren’t suggesting he tries nukes to cure the virus.
    Wait til he decides China did this deliberately .......

    Semi joking.........
    Imagine if he contracts it. He could be in hospital with his finger on the nuclear button.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    glw said:

    Floater said:


    Trump: ‘We’ll see what happens’
    Major theme of this press conference: Trump wants to get the American economy going again as soon as possible, and is not open to the idea of restrictive public health measures going on for months.

    Asked what he would do if, a week from now, public health experts asked him to extend public health restrictions, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.”

    Later, Trump said that very soon “we’re going to be opening up our country.”

    Asked by a reporter if that meant “weeks or months,” Trump s aid, “I’m not looking at months, I can tell you right now.”

    Trump is completely fucking nuts.
    Nah, he is far more ill than that.
    Just caught a bit and he was basically claiming Idaho and Nebraska are doing great, because they have low numbers and a great governor, where as clearly California and New York are doing shit....has he ever been to Idaho or Nebraska?

    There is f##k all people there at the best of times. Idaho has like 1.5 million and the biggest "city" is Boise and it is nothing place, and the rest of the state, you can go for hours without seeing anybody.
    I'm 99% certain that Trump would not understand the point you are making.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    Because people can exercise once a day?
    No, a proper lockdown would be for only those designated as key workers or people who can WFH to be allowed to work.
    The exercise aspect is trivial.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    There are many.

    https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1242206257588703238
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    RobD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Trump: Boeing. Greatest company in the world. They were ready to show their stuff until this hit.

    737 max anyone?
    Greatest company in the world apart from a teensy weensy detail or two.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    Not if you can still go to the park and go shopping every day.

    Although Laura Kuenssberg, the Secretary of State for Propoganda* says it is.

    *Sadly not my call!
  • ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    It isn’t, but the next stage will be.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    I think the criticism of people in parks is a bit overdone. It was a nice day and all the other things that people might have done were already closed by the government. I doubt anyone went seeking a large crowd; more that everyone had the same plan. In London most people don’t have gardens, and those that do are usually very small.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    We are moving into a very scary and serious phase of this whole situation. I wish everyone in the PB family well and I hope we will see each other through this. PB is a great social link and I would encourage everyone, lurker or not, to engage and contribute to debate here because we are a great community and though we may disagree with each other this is a great social tool.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Just drinking £6 of Mrs BJs essential Sainsburys shopping
    Sean T I am not.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    There are many.

    https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1242206257588703238
    Isn't she Irish? She could always pop back home and see what's happening there.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    ukpaul said:

    Pulpstar said:

    This still isn't a lockdown in my opinion.

    It isn’t, but the next stage will be.
    Actually that's a fair point. This is the warning shot to SMEs to set up to work from home now.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    There are many.

    https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1242206257588703238
    Isn't she Irish? She could always pop back home and see what's happening there.
    Thought she was from Worcester.

    She has some sauce.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932
    Boris -- or rather the government if the Telegraph is correct he was bounced into lockdown by the Cabinet -- seems to have panicked and overreacted to scenes of crowding on the tube, caused by a reduction in services, as was warned by several posters on pb, and by the rush to the countryside which would have self-corrected.

    KFC, McDonalds, Greggs and Nandos are all closing rather than continuing to serve takeaways as the government expected and I worry about where that demand will end up. It may be that a minister should have been working the phones to prevent these shutdowns.

    Outlawing weddings is a bit left-field. Imagine what Tories and the press would have made of Jeremy Corbyn banning marriage!

    Let's hope it all works.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    There are many.

    https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1242206257588703238
    Isn't she Irish? She could always pop back home and see what's happening there.
    She’s as British as Guinness, leprechauns and kidnapping Shergar.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    not_on_fire said:

    I think the criticism of people in parks is a bit overdone. It was a nice day and all the other things that people might have done were already closed by the government. I doubt anyone went seeking a large crowd; more that everyone had the same plan. In London most people don’t have gardens, and those that do are usually very small.

    The problem is if you don't give clear guidance and start with a fairly clear cut blanket statement, everybody decides they are an exception and / or we will just bend the rules as bit, then a bit more, then a bit more.

    The state obviously can't enforce somebody only going for one jog a day, but that guidance is clear don't go taking the piss, driving 3hrs somewhere and then spending 10hrs outside saying "well I am exercising innit".
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    edited March 2020
    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    We are moving into a very scary and serious phase of this whole situation. I wish everyone in the PB family well and I hope we will see each other through this. PB is a great social link and I would encourage everyone, lurker or not, to engage and contribute to debate here because we are a great community and though we may disagree with each other this is a great social tool.

    With the days getting longer and warmer, and the clocks going forward this weekend, this is going to be very hard to enforce.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Meanwhile, at the epicentre of the crisis:

    I've swapped Notting Hill for Gloucestershire - and self-isolation in the countryside has made me a better neighbour

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/swapped-notting-hill-gloucestershire-learnt-self-isolation/
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    “From Balbriggan, County Dublin, Ireland, she was educated at University College, Dublin (UCD), gaining a BCL; she then studied for an LLM in Cambridge. In 2003 Perrins qualified as a Barrister-at-Law from the King's Inns in Dublin and was called to the Irish Bar. In 2006 she qualified as a barrister for England and Wales.“

    The Irish do moaning far better than the Brits it seems - even the unicorn like right wing nuts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    edited March 2020
    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    Voluntary compliance backed up by public shaming with the police empowered to act against egregious violators. You cannot force 60 million people to stay in their homes except by their consent. We've had a few weeks to get used to the idea and semi adherence for a great many already.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    rottenborough said:

    Meanwhile, at the epicentre of the crisis:

    I've swapped Notting Hill for Gloucestershire - and self-isolation in the countryside has made me a better neighbour

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/swapped-notting-hill-gloucestershire-learnt-self-isolation/

    As much as I am glad I don't live in London, also glad I don't live in a hotspot where posh Londoners have second homes e.g. Cotswold and Cornwall. I fear for Cornwall if all these escapees take the plague with them, as far as I know, Cornwall only has one hospital.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    TGOHF666 said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    There are many.

    https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1242206257588703238
    Isn't she Irish? She could always pop back home and see what's happening there.
    She’s as British as Guinness, leprechauns and kidnapping Shergar.
    Presumably you would still think of yourself as British if Scotland were independent?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    not_on_fire said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    We are moving into a very scary and serious phase of this whole situation. I wish everyone in the PB family well and I hope we will see each other through this. PB is a great social link and I would encourage everyone, lurker or not, to engage and contribute to debate here because we are a great community and though we may disagree with each other this is a great social tool.

    With the days getting longer and warmer, and the clocks going forward this weekend, this is going to be very hard to enforce.
    I agree and we will have to see how strong the government is willing to be in these situations. It will be interesting to see what follows. Honestly, I think that people are likely to heed the government advice from now on, purely because of the tone that was struck tonight. I hope this is the case.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Mexicanpete said:


    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    In some ways Johnson is likely to be on a hiding to nothing from here on in.

    Whatever he does or doesn't do, he will be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

    Critics thought the lockdown should have been actioned on Friday and still doesn't go far enough. Peter Hitchens says any lockdown is the mark of an oppressive dictatorship. So Boris is buggered either way.
    Except that no one gives a fuck what Peter Hitchens thinks...
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Not so fast fatso...

    https://twitter.com/kieranpandrews/status/1242225712758763521?s=21
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    kle4 said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    Voluntary compliance backed up by pubic shaming with the police empowered to act against egregious violators. You cannot force 60 million people to stay in their homes except by their consent. We've had a few weeks to get used to the idea and semi adherence for a great many already.
    I think this is where social media might come in. Now the instructions are clear and I am seeing a lot people on twitter saying quite right, now stick to this...I can see people photographing arseholes and publicly shaming them e.g.

    British woman dragged out of Tenerife pool by police in bizarre protest to hotel's coronavirus quarantine rules is hard-left unionist rabble rouser who stood as Labour candidate in last election

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8144171/British-woman-dragged-Tenerife-pool-police-hard-left-unionist-rabble-rouser.html

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    I was thinking of Delingpole and Hitchens on the previous thread. Hitchens was saying that Boris is the UK's answer to Erich Honecker. (Although in fairness Hitchens was critical of proroguing parliament as I recall, so there's some consistency from him.)
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    williamglenn said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    I have no sympathy for the right-wing libertarians who are now moaning about all this..

    Have you found any ?
    There are many.

    https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1242206257588703238
    Isn't she Irish? She could always pop back home and see what's happening there.
    She’s as British as Guinness, leprechauns and kidnapping Shergar.
    Presumably you would still think of yourself as British if Scotland were independent?
    I am and it won’t be.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1242196239061528576
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,225
    Andy_JS said:

    As I mentioned before, Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201" hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    Maybe it would have been, had he been president....

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As I mentioned before, Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201" hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    Maybe it would have been, had he been president....

    Just imagine if he was now...sigh.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Meanwhile, at the epicentre of the crisis:

    I've swapped Notting Hill for Gloucestershire - and self-isolation in the countryside has made me a better neighbour

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/swapped-notting-hill-gloucestershire-learnt-self-isolation/

    As much as I am glad I don't live in London, also glad I don't live in a hotspot where posh Londoners have second homes e.g. Cotswold and Cornwall. I fear for Cornwall if all these escapees take the plague with them, as far as I know, Cornwall only has one hospital.
    Their main hospital is in Treliske. I've been reliably informed they've already had five Corona deaths there.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As I mentioned before, Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201" hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    Maybe it would have been, had he been president....

    Just imagine if he was now...sigh.
    I actually think he'd be surprisingly popular and effective. A billionaire who actually made his own money, has experience running a huge organization successfully, full of humanitarian decency without being a hectoring lefty, family man, loveable nerd...
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Every Olympics, there's a moment towards the end of the first week when it looks as though there might be an actual battle for who finishes top of the medal table.

    And then the event focus switches a bit, and the US come from nowhere to end up miles clear at the top of the leaderboard.

    Regardless of whether the 2020 Olympics take place, I fear something similar is about to happen to the only "leaderboard" that matters for this year:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    isam said:

    Like OGH I was worried we wouldn’t be allowed out to exercise. That would have tested my patience, but thankfully it is allowed.

    These measures bring to mind something I have always thought about religious rules - that they came about to combat disease rather than out of moral purity. Aldultery, promiscuity, buggery, drunkenness etc all lead to the spread of diseases that thousands of years ago were not curable. So religion forbid them, and the law, being a derivative of religion, followed.

    "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing"

    2 Corinthians 6:17
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708
    Over half the US confirmed cases are in New York.

    https://bnonews.com/index.php/2019/12/tracking-coronavirus-u-s-data/
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    kle4 said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    Voluntary compliance backed up by public shaming with the police empowered to act against egregious violators. You cannot force 60 million people to stay in their homes except by their consent. We've had a few weeks to get used to the idea and semi adherence for a great many already.
    Oh bugger, you spotted the typo and fixed it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020
    not_on_fire said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    We are moving into a very scary and serious phase of this whole situation. I wish everyone in the PB family well and I hope we will see each other through this. PB is a great social link and I would encourage everyone, lurker or not, to engage and contribute to debate here because we are a great community and though we may disagree with each other this is a great social tool.

    With the days getting longer and warmer, and the clocks going forward this weekend, this is going to be very hard to enforce.
    The police will focus on breaking up groups and shutting non essential shops still operating, only if you are clearly taking the piss and going for say 10 walks or cycles a day will they fine you.

    However it is large group activity they need to stop and will focus on
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    BluestBlue said:

    Mexicanpete said:


    Jonathan said:

    What will Boris do if this doesn’t work?

    In some ways Johnson is likely to be on a hiding to nothing from here on in.

    Whatever he does or doesn't do, he will be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

    Critics thought the lockdown should have been actioned on Friday and still doesn't go far enough. Peter Hitchens says any lockdown is the mark of an oppressive dictatorship. So Boris is buggered either way.
    Except that no one gives a fuck what Peter Hitchens thinks...
    Agreed Boris cant do too much only too little methinks.

    Anyway goodnight all.

    Not an easy day Daughter got positive test but is slightly less bad symptom wise thankfully
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Trump goes to new levels. Surely this is the greatest syndicalist, performance art bollx of all time??

    https://twitter.com/CordeliaSkyNews/status/1242231956177399810
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    BluestBlue said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    As I mentioned before, Bill Gates was running a coronavirus dummy simulation just 6 months ago called "Event 201" hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Given this fact, maybe it should have been dealt with a bit better.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    Maybe it would have been, had he been president....

    Just imagine if he was now...sigh.
    I actually think he'd be surprisingly popular and effective. A billionaire who actually made his own money, has experience running a huge organization successfully, full of humanitarian decency without being a hectoring lefty, family man, loveable nerd...
    I am convinced he would be hugely effective, certainly better the likes of Zuckerberg who thinks he can do it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    Endillion said:

    kle4 said:

    numbertwelve said:

    I thought Boris did well tonight. Though a question how we enforce this given the limited number of police officers?

    Voluntary compliance backed up by public shaming with the police empowered to act against egregious violators. You cannot force 60 million people to stay in their homes except by their consent. We've had a few weeks to get used to the idea and semi adherence for a great many already.
    Oh bugger, you spotted the typo and fixed it.
    I was tempted not to. I feel it would be effective, but the liberty crowd would likely have a much stronger case.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    ydoethur said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Jonathan said:

    Will the police stop people going out for a leisurely drive?

    Most likely
    That’s good news for Dura Ace, who doesn’t do leisurely drives.

    For the rest of us, less so.
    You're not a real hoonigan unless you've run from the law and been chased. Bonus points for losing them. 🚨
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1242196239061528576

    I agree with that. I thought he struck a good tone. There will be many debates about how effective he was leading up to this (maybe a bit blazé, maybe playing the situation down unacceptably) but credit where credits due. Tonight he was statesmanlike.
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