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Within the last hour I got an email from someone whose judgement on US politics that I trust raising the possibility of Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York, being the Democratic nominee. He wrote:

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rcs1000

I don't want to do a Rogerdamus...

But no.

Gabs3

No chance. If Biden stands aside it will be for his VP. In all likelihood that is Harris.

DougSeal

I see Hillary has moved back into second place for Dem nominee on Betfair. Is there some sort of glitch in the website?

Pulpstar

DougSeal said:

I see Hillary has moved back into second place for Dem nominee on Betfair. Is there some sort of glitch in the website?

No, she'll be there till the end of time I think.

brokenwheel

So while scores of people die every day in the state over the next few months the governor of New York is going to gallivant off on a presidential campaign?

Nigelb

Pulpstar said:

DougSeal said:

I see Hillary has moved back into second place for Dem nominee on Betfair. Is there some sort of glitch in the website?

No, she'll be there till the end of time ....

Well 2024, in all likelihood....

James_M

Just wishing my best to @GideonWise and his family.

kyf_100

rcs1000 said:

I don't want to do a Rogerdamus...

But no.

Has anyone heard from Roger lately?

williamglenn

Trump just launched into his "I didn't have to run for President" routine while talking about the businesses that are in trouble at the moment.

numbertwelve

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

MikeSmithson

kyf_100 said:

rcs1000 said:

I don't want to do a Rogerdamus...

But no.

Has anyone heard from Roger lately?

I had exactly the same thought. He's been a lot quieter during the Corbyn years - maybe he'll emerge again when Starmer takes over

ABZ

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

There's no evidence, at present, that the second wave will be worse - at least we should be better prepared / equipped (more ventilators / tests / treatments etc.)

Nevertheless, sadly the situation in America likely will be worse than any other country. The lack of preparation is truly staggering. In particular, the continuation of domestic travel in the US is going to amplify the situation tremendously unfortunately.

FrancisUrquhart

Has anybody actually watched Cuomo, he is very Trumpian....just a bit brighter.

Jonathan

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

It has to be in doubt. Not sure what the constitution allows, delay or purely the electoral college?

DecrepiterJohnL

Biden does not seem to be generating much enthusiasm, even now he is ahead in the final furlong. Cuomo might be risky as a late replacement as he already has a Corona-related day job, and it would be a single issue campaign where Trump can change the rules by tweeting a new policy.

Richard_Nabavi

Surreal, unsettling times, even for those of us fortunate enough to be able to sit it out in beautiful countryside and with plenty of space, unlike many people stuck in flats or small urban houses, especially with children. Even worse for elderly people on their own.

New York's Metropolitan Opera is making one performance per day from its archive available online for free, each one from 7.30pm New York time for 23 hours, i.e from 11.30pm to 10.30pm the next day UK time. Tonight we watched the 2009 Lucia di Lammermoor, which was absolutely superb, a stunning production. A very welcome respite from the gloom.

AramintaMoonbeamQC

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

rpjs

It’s part of being a New Yorker to hate on Cuomo, even among us Democrats, but wow, has he stepped up to the plate on this. He makes Trump look like the dithering blowhard he is.

Cuomo might be a mendacious, vindictive asshole, but he’s the mendacious, vindictive asshole New York needs right now, and maybe America too.

numbertwelve

eadric said:

numbertwelve said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

Yes I agree with that. What I meant by ‘as we understand it’ was: personal voting in booths may not happen, it will all be online or postal (if the virus is still raging)

This is bleak but interesting, and accords with my corona rule of thumb, which is: imagine a reasonable worst case scenario, because that is what will happen. It’s been pretty good so far.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-deaths-scenarios-a452dd00-81eb-4683-9050-83a93e40b538.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

It would be very interesting if we saw different voting methods - it could totally change how democracy is conducted.

FrancisUrquhart

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

Is this when the chavs start to riot?

Floater

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Floater

FrancisUrquhart said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

Is this when the chavs start to riot?

Oii :-)

Pulpstar

There'll be an election. Whether Trump or Biden are the challengers is perhaps more uncertain than in a 'normal' election year.
Covid-19 poses the greatest threat to their respective nominations and potential presidency/2nd term. I mean quite literally here.

DecrepiterJohnL

HMG's restaurant closures includes services for the homeless. I'm not sure where the homeless are supposed to eat instead.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

rpjs

Jonathan said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

It has to be in doubt. Not sure what the constitution allows, delay or purely the electoral college?

I posted the other day about this. If need be, the EC can be appointed by the states, it doesn’t actually have to be elected. That would favour Trump as the GOP controls state legislatures that could appoint > 270 Electors, but some have Democratic governors that might be able to veto such.

Nigelb

James_M said:

Just wishing my best to @GideonWise and his family.

Just looked back at the last thread. Not good.
My best wishes, too.

Andy_JS

If the Italian figures continue to drop tomorrow, we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And Germany continues to defy the odds with very low fatality numbers.

Jonathan

@GideonWise best wishes for you and your family.

rottenborough

Pulpstar said:

There'll be an election. Whether Trump or Biden are the challengers is perhaps more uncertain than in a 'normal' election year.
Covid-19 poses the greatest threat to their respective nominations and potential presidency/2nd term. I mean quite literally here.

I say again, Kamala Harris is 250/1 for POTUS.

DecrepiterJohnL

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

McDonalds and Nandos both. The government's view that restaurants can survive on takeaway and delivery services might be over-optimistic.

kyf_100

MikeSmithson said:

kyf_100 said:

rcs1000 said:

I don't want to do a Rogerdamus...

But no.

Has anyone heard from Roger lately?

I had exactly the same thought. He's been a lot quieter during the Corbyn years - maybe he'll emerge again when Starmer takes over

Here's hoping so.

This is all starting to feel very real now people on PB are reporting symptoms.

My father, who is nearing 70, is still happily going to his office daily. Can't be talked out of it.

FrancisUrquhart

DecrepiterJohnL said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

McDonalds and Nandos both. The government's view that restaurants can survive on takeaway and delivery services might be over-optimistic.

Might be quite good for the nations waist-lines though.

rcs1000

eadric said:

numbertwelve said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

Yes I agree with that. What I meant by ‘as we understand it’ was: personal voting in booths may not happen, it will all be online or postal (if the virus is still raging)

This is bleak but interesting, and accords with my corona rule of thumb, which is: imagine a reasonable worst case scenario, because that is what will happen. It’s been pretty good so far.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-deaths-scenarios-a452dd00-81eb-4683-9050-83a93e40b538.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

That's not a very insightful piece.

The US is an absolute mess as far as CV-19 response goes. The national government and the states were extremely slow to respond to the problems. The evidence is that New York is going to be worse than Italy.

And while some places (like California and New York) have shut down, they are the exception, not the rule.

Large parts of the US are still in denial about the seriousness of this. In New Hampshire, a Republican lawmaker is suing the Republican Governor over the very minor restrictions he'd put in place.

But the good news is that Europe is getting a grip on this.

And in a week or two, the US will finally get the message.

Death rates in the US will be significantly worse than Europe. The crisis will be worse because of poor public health provision and poor leadership. But the US will have the advantage of getting to watch Europe get better. They will do the right thing, once they have exhausted the alternatives.

rottenborough

Can't help thinking this has been game planned. A load of uncaring twats carry on as if nothing has happened, forcing Johnson to introduce massive lockdown.

https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1241851522134224896

rcs1000

Andy_JS said:

If the Italian figures continue to drop tomorrow, we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. And Germany continues to defy the odds with very low fatality numbers.

Germany is just testing pre- and a-symptomatic people, meaning they are catching a lot of very mild cases. And, one would hope, supporting people before they require hospitalisation.

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

Can't help thinking this has been game planned. A load of uncaring twats carry on as if nothing has happened, forcing Johnson to introduce massive lockdown.

twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1241851522134224896

If that's the case, he better get a move on....

DecrepiterJohnL

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

numbertwelve said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

Yes I agree with that. What I meant by ‘as we understand it’ was: personal voting in booths may not happen, it will all be online or postal (if the virus is still raging)

This is bleak but interesting, and accords with my corona rule of thumb, which is: imagine a reasonable worst case scenario, because that is what will happen. It’s been pretty good so far.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-deaths-scenarios-a452dd00-81eb-4683-9050-83a93e40b538.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

That's not a very insightful piece.

The US is an absolute mess as far as CV-19 response goes. The national government and the states were extremely slow to respond to the problems. The evidence is that New York is going to be worse than Italy.

And while some places (like California and New York) have shut down, they are the exception, not the rule.

Large parts of the US are still in denial about the seriousness of this. In New Hampshire, a Republican lawmaker is suing the Republican Governor over the very minor restrictions he'd put in place.

But the good news is that Europe is getting a grip on this.

And in a week or two, the US will finally get the message.

Death rates in the US will be significantly worse than Europe. The crisis will be worse because of poor public health provision and poor leadership. But the US will have the advantage of getting to watch Europe get better. They will do the right thing, once they have exhausted the alternatives.

America also can throw huge resources at the problem: science; computing; manufacturing.

FrancisUrquhart

Mr Corbyn said: 'I'm going to be very busy doing campaigning work on the economy, human rights and environmental issues – I am not disappearing from anywhere.'

Asked if he had his eye on a Shadow Cabinet post, he replied: 'Well, I have always spent my life trying to deal with issues of human rights and justice around the world, and that is something - whether I have a position or not is not important.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140765/Jeremy-Corbyn-wants-frontbench-role.html

rcs1000

rpjs said:

Jonathan said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

It has to be in doubt. Not sure what the constitution allows, delay or purely the electoral college?

I posted the other day about this. If need be, the EC can be appointed by the states, it doesn’t actually have to be elected. That would favour Trump as the GOP controls state legislatures that could appoint > 270 Electors, but some have Democratic governors that might be able to veto such.

That might not go down so well in certain parts of the country.

rcs1000

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

numbertwelve said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

Yes I agree with that. What I meant by ‘as we understand it’ was: personal voting in booths may not happen, it will all be online or postal (if the virus is still raging)

This is bleak but interesting, and accords with my corona rule of thumb, which is: imagine a reasonable worst case scenario, because that is what will happen. It’s been pretty good so far.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-deaths-scenarios-a452dd00-81eb-4683-9050-83a93e40b538.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

That's not a very insightful piece.

The US is an absolute mess as far as CV-19 response goes. The national government and the states were extremely slow to respond to the problems. The evidence is that New York is going to be worse than Italy.

And while some places (like California and New York) have shut down, they are the exception, not the rule.

Large parts of the US are still in denial about the seriousness of this. In New Hampshire, a Republican lawmaker is suing the Republican Governor over the very minor restrictions he'd put in place.

But the good news is that Europe is getting a grip on this.

And in a week or two, the US will finally get the message.

Death rates in the US will be significantly worse than Europe. The crisis will be worse because of poor public health provision and poor leadership. But the US will have the advantage of getting to watch Europe get better. They will do the right thing, once they have exhausted the alternatives.

America also can throw huge resources at the problem: science; computing; manufacturing.

It can. Although it's worth remembering that - while the US is *a* leader in drug development, they're not *the* leader.

LucyJones

Jonathan said:

@GideonWise best wishes for you and your family.

Best wishes and good luck to @GideonWise and indeed to anyone else who has been affected.

rottenborough

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

numbertwelve said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

Yes I agree with that. What I meant by ‘as we understand it’ was: personal voting in booths may not happen, it will all be online or postal (if the virus is still raging)

This is bleak but interesting, and accords with my corona rule of thumb, which is: imagine a reasonable worst case scenario, because that is what will happen. It’s been pretty good so far.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-deaths-scenarios-a452dd00-81eb-4683-9050-83a93e40b538.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

That's not a very insightful piece.

The US is an absolute mess as far as CV-19 response goes. The national government and the states were extremely slow to respond to the problems. The evidence is that New York is going to be worse than Italy.

And while some places (like California and New York) have shut down, they are the exception, not the rule.

Large parts of the US are still in denial about the seriousness of this. In New Hampshire, a Republican lawmaker is suing the Republican Governor over the very minor restrictions he'd put in place.

But the good news is that Europe is getting a grip on this.

And in a week or two, the US will finally get the message.

Death rates in the US will be significantly worse than Europe. The crisis will be worse because of poor public health provision and poor leadership. But the US will have the advantage of getting to watch Europe get better. They will do the right thing, once they have exhausted the alternatives.

America also can throw huge resources at the problem: science; computing; manufacturing.

If New York is worse than Italy, how does Cuomo become Dem nominee? For a start he will still be battling the misery and chaos in his own state.

Malmesbury

rottenborough said:

Can't help thinking this has been game planned. A load of uncaring twats carry on as if nothing has happened, forcing Johnson to introduce massive lockdown.

https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1241851522134224896

Haven't you noticed the pattern in this? Government - please stop going to the pub. Then the government shuts the pubs... etc etc

It's first the voluntary option, then follow up with the stick.

Andy_JS

Harvey Weinstein contracting the virus is going to have the conspiracy theorists working overtime.

bigjohnowls

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

Malmesbury

Floater said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Nandos is down, I repeat Nandos is down. Not even delivering.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Interesting they chose not to go 100% delivery.

kle4

Malmesbury said:

rottenborough said:

Can't help thinking this has been game planned. A load of uncaring twats carry on as if nothing has happened, forcing Johnson to introduce massive lockdown.

https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1241851522134224896

Haven't you noticed the pattern in this? Government - please stop going to the pub. Then the government shuts the pubs... etc etc

It's first the voluntary option, then follow up with the stick.

Quite. And likely more effective to go step by step, in terms of voluntary compliance and public shaming enforcement, as disapproval ramps up against those who flout reasonable guidance and advice. Since it really cannot happen effectively without consent, wagging a finger harder with a day give or take wouldn't make much difference I suspect.

Pulpstar

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Can't help thinking this has been game planned. A load of uncaring twats carry on as if nothing has happened, forcing Johnson to introduce massive lockdown.

twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1241851522134224896

If that's the case, he better get a move on....

The British public reminds me of my brother as a kid who would simply ignore my parents telling him to behave.

Richard_Nabavi

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

Excellent, that is really good to hear.

FrancisUrquhart

https://twitter.com/MiloHsieh/status/1241540231595044864?s=20

Jonathan

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

Malmesbury

kyf_100 said:

rcs1000 said:

I don't want to do a Rogerdamus...

But no.

Has anyone heard from Roger lately?

I believe it is spelt Woger. One presumes he is hanging out with Boris Becker somewhere...

FrancisUrquhart

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

Timpsons also showing itself to be a top quality employer. Guaranteed full pay for all employees for however long it is necessary to be closed.

Sounds like the supermarkets / government getting their shit together on the food front, with the announcement today of food parcels to be delivered to all those vulnerable isolators.

Malmesbury

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

eadric said:

numbertwelve said:

eadric said:

I genuinely wonder if there will be an election, as we understand it.

If sunshine doesn’t kill the virus, or it returns for a Spanish Flu style second wave....

The election will almost certainly happen. The US constitution makes it incredibly difficult to change the date. Indeed, elections carried on throughout WII and the civil war, both of which were greater national crises. Of course it is possible (in the sense that a constitutional amendment could, in theory, be rushed through) but I think it very unlikely, for two reasons. The first is logistics. The second is pure partisan considerations - the Democrats want Trump out and they won’t want to give him a longer term of office.

Yes I agree with that. What I meant by ‘as we understand it’ was: personal voting in booths may not happen, it will all be online or postal (if the virus is still raging)

This is bleak but interesting, and accords with my corona rule of thumb, which is: imagine a reasonable worst case scenario, because that is what will happen. It’s been pretty good so far.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-deaths-scenarios-a452dd00-81eb-4683-9050-83a93e40b538.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

That's not a very insightful piece.

The US is an absolute mess as far as CV-19 response goes. The national government and the states were extremely slow to respond to the problems. The evidence is that New York is going to be worse than Italy.

And while some places (like California and New York) have shut down, they are the exception, not the rule.

Large parts of the US are still in denial about the seriousness of this. In New Hampshire, a Republican lawmaker is suing the Republican Governor over the very minor restrictions he'd put in place.

But the good news is that Europe is getting a grip on this.

And in a week or two, the US will finally get the message.

Death rates in the US will be significantly worse than Europe. The crisis will be worse because of poor public health provision and poor leadership. But the US will have the advantage of getting to watch Europe get better. They will do the right thing, once they have exhausted the alternatives.

America also can throw huge resources at the problem: science; computing; manufacturing.

What America needs is some coordinated action, informed by highly qualified scientific advise.

Instead they have Trump.

On Topic : No chance, unless Biden is physically unable to continue. Then you are in a game of 52 card pickup.

HYUFD

95 year old Italian grandmother recovers from Coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140609/Italian-grandmother-95-recovers-coronavirus.html

Malmesbury

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Malmesbury

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

My *guess* is that they are using information from previous deliveries - notes about needing help with carrying stuff in etc.

Mind you, this may well be the flip side of data mining...

rottenborough

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Interesting.

I have an email from Sainsbury's this morning saying they have identified me as vulnerable (full time carer, wife disabled), and saying I can log on tomorrow. No specific delivery spot as you describe.

rottenborough

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Interesting.

I have an email from Sainsbury's this morning saying they have identified me as vulnerable (full time carer, wife disabled), and saying I can log on tomorrow. No specific delivery spot as you describe.

My email contained this:

"How will it work?
You can log on to our website or app on Monday to book a slot online as normal. We'll send you an email to let you know when slots are open. Be sure to book your delivery slot before the end of the day on Monday.
If you can't get one straight away, please keep trying. We'll make more slots available throughout the day where possible.
Please bear in mind that you'll be able to make a maximum of one order per week."

bigjohnowls

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

Not sure they deliver regularly and we have a ramp and they see Mrs BJ in her wheelchair. I seem to remember about a year ago delivery bloke told us to register as such via Sainsburys or Nectar helpdesk.

rottenborough

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

My *guess* is that they are using information from previous deliveries - notes about needing help with carrying stuff in etc.

Mind you, this may well be the flip side of data mining...

I suspect the Government, under the emergency powers, has shared the database of disabled claimants, blue badge holders etc etc.

My neighbour had an email along similar lines (he is 75). How did they know his age?

Malmesbury

rottenborough said:

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Interesting.

I have an email from Sainsbury's this morning saying they have identified me as vulnerable (full time carer, wife disabled), and saying I can log on tomorrow. No specific delivery spot as you describe.

My email contained this:

"How will it work?
You can log on to our website or app on Monday to book a slot online as normal. We'll send you an email to let you know when slots are open. Be sure to book your delivery slot before the end of the day on Monday.
If you can't get one straight away, please keep trying. We'll make more slots available throughout the day where possible.
Please bear in mind that you'll be able to make a maximum of one order per week."

I am starting to wonder if this is why Ocado pulled online deliveries - pulled back to orientate towards deliveries for the elderly and vulnerable. We shall see shortly, I suppose.

Floater

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

Great news

Pulpstar

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

My *guess* is that they are using information from previous deliveries - notes about needing help with carrying stuff in etc.

Mind you, this may well be the flip side of data mining...

I suspect the Government, under the emergency powers, has shared the database of disabled claimants, blue badge holders etc etc.

My neighbour had an email along similar lines (he is 75). How did they know his age?

Remember when we were all debating "Should we introduce ID cards " ?

bigjohnowls

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Very impressive TBH wasn't expecting to get a slot as they were disappearing as soon as I clicked on them but managed to get my 3rd choice of time.

They are doing it every day in rotation ie tomorrow for delivery on Tuesday etc.

We get another chance in 7 days and once a week for as long as the crisis continues I understand.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1241798900287234050

Jonathan

bigjohnowls said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

Not sure they deliver regularly and we have a ramp and they see Mrs BJ in her wheelchair. I seem to remember about a year ago delivery bloke told us to register as such via Sainsburys or Nectar helpdesk.

Ta. Ramp and wheelchair here too, but not registered. Monday’s job.

bigjohnowls

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

My *guess* is that they are using information from previous deliveries - notes about needing help with carrying stuff in etc.

Mind you, this may well be the flip side of data mining...

I suspect the Government, under the emergency powers, has shared the database of disabled claimants, blue badge holders etc etc.

My neighbour had an email along similar lines (he is 75). How did they know his age?

Remember when we were all debating "Should we introduce ID cards " ?

DOB on nectar application form the CEO e mail said

rottenborough

Left scream to be locked down by the State.

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1241780036136566785

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

Left scream to be locked down by the State.

twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1241780036136566785

I have a feeling if Boris had gone for an immediate sweeping lockdown, he would be screaming fascist authoritarian state. Carole Conspiracy is already banging on about such things in regards to the emergency powers bill.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1241867357192163329

bigjohnowls

rottenborough said:

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Interesting.

I have an email from Sainsbury's this morning saying they have identified me as vulnerable (full time carer, wife disabled), and saying I can log on tomorrow. No specific delivery spot as you describe.

My email contained this:

"How will it work?
You can log on to our website or app on Monday to book a slot online as normal. We'll send you an email to let you know when slots are open. Be sure to book your delivery slot before the end of the day on Monday.
If you can't get one straight away, please keep trying. We'll make more slots available throughout the day where possible.
Please bear in mind that you'll be able to make a maximum of one order per week."

Ours said the same but then got an e mail saying slots available for tomorrow at 8.18pm tonight.

HYUFD

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HMG's restaurant closures includes services for the homeless. I'm not sure where the homeless are supposed to eat instead.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1241724703183638528?s=20

bigjohnowls

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Left scream to be locked down by the State.

twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1241780036136566785

I have a feeling if Boris had gone for an immediate sweeping lockdown, he would be screaming fascist authoritarian state. Carole Conspiracy is already banging on about such things in regards to the emergency powers bill.

Well she is an idiot.

Any temporary loss of freedoms is a price worth paying to save lives.

rottenborough

bigjohnowls said:

rottenborough said:

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Interesting.

I have an email from Sainsbury's this morning saying they have identified me as vulnerable (full time carer, wife disabled), and saying I can log on tomorrow. No specific delivery spot as you describe.

My email contained this:

"How will it work?
You can log on to our website or app on Monday to book a slot online as normal. We'll send you an email to let you know when slots are open. Be sure to book your delivery slot before the end of the day on Monday.
If you can't get one straight away, please keep trying. We'll make more slots available throughout the day where possible.
Please bear in mind that you'll be able to make a maximum of one order per week."

Ours said the same but then got an e mail saying slots available for tomorrow at 8.18pm tonight.

thanks. I will be hooked to email tomorrow morning!

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1241826038709182468

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/1241868170241196033

BluestBlue

rottenborough said:

Left scream to be locked down by the State.

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1241780036136566785

People may mock the Nudge Unit and other behavioural science, but there's no more effective way to institute an authoritarian lockdown that having even your political opponents begging for one.

Malmesbury

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

Jonathan said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

How did they know? Mrs Jonathan also disabled, but not sure how Sainsbury’s would know.

My *guess* is that they are using information from previous deliveries - notes about needing help with carrying stuff in etc.

Mind you, this may well be the flip side of data mining...

I suspect the Government, under the emergency powers, has shared the database of disabled claimants, blue badge holders etc etc.

My neighbour had an email along similar lines (he is 75). How did they know his age?

Nearly all sites ask for your birth date when registering.

bigjohnowls

rottenborough said:

bigjohnowls said:

rottenborough said:

rottenborough said:

Malmesbury said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big shout out to Sainsburys

Wrote to Mrs BJ this morning saying they were aware she is disabled and telling her she would receive an e mail later offering a priority delivery slot.

Sure enough e mail received 8 18pm Slot booked 8.19pm Delivery due tomorrow.

Not sure if we will get everything but hopefully will get most. Massive weight off our minds. 2 daughter have symptoms so we were a bit stuck.

Even allowed us to use a £9 off £60 at checkout sent to us in happier times.

Thank you Sainsburys.

My Aunt received a similar email earlier - apparently Sainsburys are using age on the registration, plus delivery notes from previous deliveries to identify those who need help.

Interesting.

I have an email from Sainsbury's this morning saying they have identified me as vulnerable (full time carer, wife disabled), and saying I can log on tomorrow. No specific delivery spot as you describe.

My email contained this:

"How will it work?
You can log on to our website or app on Monday to book a slot online as normal. We'll send you an email to let you know when slots are open. Be sure to book your delivery slot before the end of the day on Monday.
If you can't get one straight away, please keep trying. We'll make more slots available throughout the day where possible.
Please bear in mind that you'll be able to make a maximum of one order per week."

Ours said the same but then got an e mail saying slots available for tomorrow at 8.18pm tonight.

thanks. I will be hooked to email tomorrow morning!

Make sure you log in to Sainsburys using the account of the disabled person and then book a slot quickly there were about 20 available at 8.19pm i lost 2 in the first minute but got the erd i noticed after shopping they were all gone 30 mins after the e mail.

rottenborough

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/coronavirus-isolation-mental-illness

Floater

bigjohnowls said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Left scream to be locked down by the State.

twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1241780036136566785

I have a feeling if Boris had gone for an immediate sweeping lockdown, he would be screaming fascist authoritarian state. Carole Conspiracy is already banging on about such things in regards to the emergency powers bill.

Well she is an idiot.

Any temporary loss of freedoms is a price worth paying to save lives.

What he said

Malmesbury

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HMG's restaurant closures includes services for the homeless. I'm not sure where the homeless are supposed to eat instead.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1241724703183638528?s=20

It is perfectly possible to get the rough sleepers inside - well, most of them. Hence the hostel spaces for them in winter. *Keeping* them inside is a different thing - in most cases rough sleeping is a symptom of their situation, not the core issue.

rottenborough

Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection

On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease’s spread.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-taste.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

WhisperingOracle

Malmesbury said:

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HMG's restaurant closures includes services for the homeless. I'm not sure where the homeless are supposed to eat instead.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1241724703183638528?s=20

It is perfectly possible to get the rough sleepers inside - well, most of them. Hence the hostel spaces for them in winter. *Keeping* them inside is a different thing - in most cases rough sleeping is a symptom of their situation, not the core issue.

This is true. However in Finland, giving all homeless people homes has unexpectedly solved many core issues.

RobD

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/MiloHsieh/status/1241540231595044864?s=20

How'd they call him if it ran out of battery?

Floater

well - this is clear enough


https://order-order.com/2020/03/22/israels-social-isolation-herd-immunity-strategy/

rottenborough

MyBurningEars said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Left scream to be locked down by the State.

twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1241780036136566785

I have a feeling if Boris had gone for an immediate sweeping lockdown, he would be screaming fascist authoritarian state. Carole Conspiracy is already banging on about such things in regards to the emergency powers bill.

Sorry to drone on Carole-style but everything Dr Jenny Harries (deputy chief medical officer for England) said at the briefing, including about how and for whom it's safe to walk outside, sounded very nuanced and balanced and presumably that's the kind of advice that HMG is being fed. I didn't sense any tension that suggested she was itching for the government to lock down everything as of five days ago - and that's also in line with what we know a lot of the experts think. Anyone who's studied infectious disease modelling will know why their default preference is to save some of the "big guns" for later on the curve if it's possible to do so without breaching health system capacity (even Boris seemed to grasp this point at the presser). I think it's fair to assume his current advice goes something like "get things in place to lockdown when needed, and quickly to prevent a Spanish or Italian style exodus, but we're not calling for one just yet."

As well as the political angle you've picked up on, I think there have been pragmatic reasons to phase in the restrictions we've had so far. Getting as many parents as possible at home before schools are closed reduces the chance of germhopping grannycare; turning schools into daycare centres for people we still need to be working for stuff to keep going is better than the all-guns-blazing shut-everything-entirely approach if it means hospital cleaners can keep turning up to work and folk who are meant to be cocooning don't need to walk to the shops because the online delivery drivers are having to homeschool their kids.

If HMG's advisers tell him the time has come, I think it's overwhelmingly likely that Johnson will follow what they say and order whatever they deem necessary. He is certainly doing the legislative work right now to give himself the options if needed. On the flip side, if his advisers tell him that he needs to hold his nerve before ordering the next step, I'd rather he listened to them than to the folk telling him to go for lockdown now, including genuine experts who lay outside the decision-making process. Because even if someone is a top virologist or modeller or behavioural specialist, they don't have access to the same data and evidence HMG do and their depth of expertise in their area may not qualify them any better than the CMO/CSO to synthesise all that evidence.

Excellent post.

Malmesbury

WhisperingOracle said:

Malmesbury said:

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HMG's restaurant closures includes services for the homeless. I'm not sure where the homeless are supposed to eat instead.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1241724703183638528?s=20

It is perfectly possible to get the rough sleepers inside - well, most of them. Hence the hostel spaces for them in winter. *Keeping* them inside is a different thing - in most cases rough sleeping is a symptom of their situation, not the core issue.

This is true. However in Finland, giving all homeless people homes has unexpectedly solved many core issues.

If it has cured drug and alcohol issues multiplied by mental health - I would be astonished.

For decades, large numbers of intelligent, caring people have tried to improve the situation for the rough sleepers. If it was as simple as giving them a home....

rcs1000

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1241826038709182468

Just seeing percentage growth decline is not enough. We need to see absolute number of new infections declining. Austria, I suspect, is close to that. Italy and Spain too.

Hopefully by the middle of this week, we'll start to get good news from the countries that moved fastest.

rcs1000

WhisperingOracle said:

Malmesbury said:

HYUFD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

HMG's restaurant closures includes services for the homeless. I'm not sure where the homeless are supposed to eat instead.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/1241724703183638528?s=20

It is perfectly possible to get the rough sleepers inside - well, most of them. Hence the hostel spaces for them in winter. *Keeping* them inside is a different thing - in most cases rough sleeping is a symptom of their situation, not the core issue.

This is true. However in Finland, giving all homeless people homes has unexpectedly solved many core issues.

People freezing to death on the streets in winter?

Chameleon

rcs1000 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1241826038709182468

Just seeing percentage growth decline is not enough. We need to see absolute number of new infections declining. Austria, I suspect, is close to that. Italy and Spain too.

Hopefully by the middle of this week, we'll start to get good news from the countries that moved fastest.

Given how lax the initial Italian and Spanish measures were I have my doubts that we'll see dipping levels of infections so soon. If we do then it's good news, if not then buckle up.

Endillion

On topic, it was nice to be reminded that I've overlaid this market to the extent that Cuomo is actually a better result for me than Biden, even though I'd never placed a single bet on him directly.

rcs1000

Chameleon said:

rcs1000 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1241826038709182468

Just seeing percentage growth decline is not enough. We need to see absolute number of new infections declining. Austria, I suspect, is close to that. Italy and Spain too.

Hopefully by the middle of this week, we'll start to get good news from the countries that moved fastest.

Given how lax the initial Italian and Spanish measures were I have my doubts that we'll see dipping levels of infections so soon. If we do then it's good news, if not then buckle up.

Well, we are probably seeing it already in Lombary and Veneto. If the downward trend continues tomorrow and Monday in those provinces, then you'd expect the country's overall curve to start coming down by the end of the week.

Andy_JS

Some of the official figures aren't credible IMO, especially those from Russia, India and Pakistan. 12 people have died in those countries according to the published statistics. Total population = 1.68 billion. (I'm not saying there's a deliberate cover-up, it may just be that the means of collecting data isn't up to the job).

Monkeys

On the US election: I'm not sure how, say, a US debate on healthcare will pan out when every system, globally, is collapsing. Or any debate on any topic.

rottenborough

Daily Mail has a photo of throngs in a London flower market.

One of the hipsters, who aren't taking this seriously, literally is seen with a shoulder bag that reads 'Too many humans'.

I kid you not.

Andy_JS

rottenborough said:

Daily Mail has a photo of throngs in a London flower market.

One of the hipsters, who aren't taking this seriously, literally is seen with a shoulder bag that reads 'Too many humans'.

I kid you not.

That was genuinely stupid; they were far more closely packed together at the flower market than people would usually be at a park or beach.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241833546156838912

rottenborough

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1241833546156838912

It was the middle class what done for us.