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  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited February 2020
    First?

    https://www.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233561495046414336

    More new cases in the morning update than in the morning and evening updates added together of any day before.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1233459656216981505?s=20
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interesting that the CDC advises against ALL non-essential travel to Italy, while the UK is only advising against travel to specific areas in Northern Italy, with advice for travellers from Northern Italy if they develop symptoms:

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-specified-countries-and-areas/covid-19-specified-countries-and-areas-with-implications-for-returning-travellers-or-visitors-arriving-in-the-uk

    And we're testing about 1,000 a day - or twice as many as the US has done in total since this started:

    As of 28 February, a total of 8,986 people have been tested in the UK, of which 8,966 were confirmed negative and 20 positive.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    edited February 2020
    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1233550743807893506?s=20

    https://twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1233569112418324480?s=20

    https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1233568511575887872?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1233566485810941952?s=20
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting that the CDC advises against ALL non-essential travel to Italy, while the UK is only advising against travel to specific areas in Northern Italy, with advice for travellers from Northern Italy if they develop symptoms:

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-specified-countries-and-areas/covid-19-specified-countries-and-areas-with-implications-for-returning-travellers-or-visitors-arriving-in-the-uk

    And we're testing about 1,000 a day - or twice as many as the US has done in total since this started:

    As of 28 February, a total of 8,986 people have been tested in the UK, of which 8,966 were confirmed negative and 20 positive.

    The US government/CDC has been grossly negligent so far. They've got at least two clusters of community outbreaks, yet seem to be doing nothing, and certainly aren't testing to find out the scale of them.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    FPT:
    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    edited February 2020
    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Chameleon said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Interesting that the CDC advises against ALL non-essential travel to Italy, while the UK is only advising against travel to specific areas in Northern Italy, with advice for travellers from Northern Italy if they develop symptoms:

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-specified-countries-and-areas/covid-19-specified-countries-and-areas-with-implications-for-returning-travellers-or-visitors-arriving-in-the-uk

    And we're testing about 1,000 a day - or twice as many as the US has done in total since this started:

    As of 28 February, a total of 8,986 people have been tested in the UK, of which 8,966 were confirmed negative and 20 positive.

    The US government/CDC has been grossly negligent so far. They've got at least two clusters of community outbreaks, yet seem to be doing nothing, and certainly aren't testing to find out the scale of them.
    Interesting thread on the NYC sub-Reddit today: guy claims he recently came down with a fever after returning from Japan. Goes to the ER in Brooklyn and tests negative for flu and a bunch of other viruses. The ER calls the CDC to authorize a COVID-19 test but the CDC says no because he’s missing a couple of the severest symptoms. The ER sent him home but he’s decided to self-quarantine anyway.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fayko1/my_covid19_story_brooklyn/
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    HYUFD said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
    I can't see the Trump coalition voting for a Bush, much less a Hispanic one.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,250
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1233550743807893506?s=20

    Political rallies are great places for spreading infections...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    edited February 2020
    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
    I can't see the Trump coalition voting for a Bush, much less a Hispanic one.
    In 10 to 15 years when he is running many of them will be dead and Trump is largely a one off, plus most Trump voters voted for George P Bush's uncle and grandfather.

    In fact post Trump it is very likely the next 2 presidents will be a Kennedy and a Bush again, Joe Kennedy III if he wins the Massachusetts Senate race in November and George P Bush if he wins the Texas Governors race in 2022 or 2026

    https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1233446119365136384?s=20
    https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1227292267238608898?s=20
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1233550743807893506?s=20

    Political rallies are great places for spreading infections...
    The hardcore Trump faithful are all calling it a hoax online.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    HYUFD said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
    I can't see the Trump coalition voting for a Bush, much less a Hispanic one.
    In 10 to 15 years when he is running many of them will be dead and Trump is largely a one off, plus most Trump voters voted for George P Bush's uncle and grandfather.

    In fact post Trump it is very likely the next 2 presidents will be a Kennedy and a Bush again, Joe Kennedy III if he wins the Massachusetts Senate race in November and George P Bush if he wins the Texas Governors race in 2022 or 2026

    https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1233446119365136384?s=20
    https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1227292267238608898?s=20
    https://twitter.com/RepJoeKennedy/status/1233155938233802752?s=20
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Confirmed case in Oregon. Third potential cluster of community outbreak.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,581
    Chameleon said:

    First?

    https://www.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233561495046414336

    More new cases in the morning update than in the morning and evening updates added together of any day before.

    The Iranian figures are also highly suspect. If we are to believe them, then Covid-19 has a mortality rate of around 10% in Iran. Much more likely is that the number of dead is being reported fairly accurately (it's harder to hide that, either officially or by not noticing), while the number of cases is being under-reported by 5x to 10x - which probably means that the spread is completely out of control there.

    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1233535831656271872
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,106
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
    I can't see the Trump coalition voting for a Bush, much less a Hispanic one.
    In 10 to 15 years when he is running many of them will be dead and Trump is largely a one off, plus most Trump voters voted for George P Bush's uncle and grandfather.

    In fact post Trump it is very likely the next 2 presidents will be a Kennedy and a Bush again, Joe Kennedy III if he wins the Massachusetts Senate race in November and George P Bush if he wins the Texas Governors race in 2022 or 2026

    https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1233446119365136384?s=20
    https://twitter.com/georgepbush/status/1227292267238608898?s=20
    https://twitter.com/RepJoeKennedy/status/1233155938233802752?s=20
    It would also add a nice symmetry, Joe Kennedy III and George P Bush reaching the White House after their grandfather Bobby Kennedy and father Jeb Bush respectively fell short unlike their great uncle, grandfather and uncle
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited February 2020
    Chameleon said:

    Confirmed case in Oregon. Third potential cluster of community outbreak.

    Yep, confirmed to be of unknown origin.

    https://www.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233580987965153281

    Washington now to hold a press conference at 4am GMT, their first. Time for community cluster no.4?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,581
    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
    I can't see the Trump coalition voting for a Bush, much less a Hispanic one.
    He doesn't necessarily need the Trump coalition, any more than Trump needed GW Bush's coalition. He would need to replace any parts of Trump's coalition that he lost with other voters in the right places but that's doable with the right candidate and campaign.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/FerroTV/status/1233565035852685313?s=20
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,644
    Chinese laboratory that first shared coronavirus genome with world ordered to close for ‘rectification’

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1233577143864561664?s=20
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,551
    New way for Americans to bollocks up their elections:
    https://twitter.com/bernstein_lynn/status/1233594679679160320?s=19
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    williamglenn said:

    Chinese laboratory that first shared coronavirus genome with world ordered to close for ‘rectification’

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

    Zhang’s team isolated and finished the genome sequence of the then-unknown virus on January 5, two days before China’s official announcement that mysterious pneumonia cases in Wuhan were caused by a hitherto unknown coronavirus.

    The team made the finding public on January 11 after it saw that the authorities had taken no obvious action to warn the public about the coronavirus.

    At the time, the public was told that no new cases had been reported in Wuhan since January 3 and there was no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    US Dem primaries -- 10 minute video from The Hill on SC and Super Tuesday. Ignore the title.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwuTsZSBbIg

    Betfair has opened markets on more primaries, btw.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Iran’s official counts—three hundred and eighty-eight confirmed cases and thirty-four deaths, as of Friday—may be grossly underreported. In an early analysis published on Monday, six Canadian epidemiologists calculated that Iran probably had more than eighteen thousand cases of coronavirus. Their mathematical model was based on Iran’s official death toll, the disease’s infection and mortality rates worldwide, inflections in other countries traced to Iran, flight data, and travel patterns. “Given the low volumes of air travel to countries with identified cases of COVID-19 with origin in Iran (such as Canada), it is likely that Iran is currently experiencing a COVID-19 epidemic of significant size,” they concluded.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-iran-became-a-new-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited February 2020
    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    This takes us up to 4 separate community clusters with no clear cause in the US: Washington, Oregon, 2*California.

    Separately a second case that had travelled to SKorea but never got into contact with the public.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1233107531775512576?s=20
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    edited February 2020
    Gabs3 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
    Normally US primary care is very test orientated. Like private dentists. If there’s a £50 fee in it, they’ll be all over it. While nhs dentistry is “you got some pain in your tooth? Let’s just pull it out. It’s for the best”.
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1233550743807893506?s=20

    Political rallies are great places for spreading infections...
    Isn’t that article a good case of fake news? He doesn’t call the virus a hoax, but the democrats politicising of the virus a hoax. Claiming that there’s no preparation or plans etc. All that might in fact be true, but that isnt what the headline says.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
    Normally US primary care is very test orientated. Like private dentists. If there’s a £50 fee in it, they’ll be all over it. While nhs dentistry is “you got some pain in your tooth? Let’s just pull it out. It’s for the best”.
    Just last month an insured friend asked the consultant if he should go private. The reply was that the NHS would do the test, for any test needed, regardless of cost, whereas if he went private, the consultant would ask him if he wanted the test costing £XXX and give him a better sandwich afterwards.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,619
    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
    Normally US primary care is very test orientated. Like private dentists. If there’s a £50 fee in it, they’ll be all over it. While nhs dentistry is “you got some pain in your tooth? Let’s just pull it out. It’s for the best”.
    Except that the US seems to have a critical shortage of test kits (exacerbated by some of them not appearing to function properly) that they are being rationed. Hence that NY guy sent away because he wasn’t ill enough. I read on CNN that they only have a few hundred test kits right now for the whole of California.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,052
    So far the NHS seems to be doing well from what I've read. Here in Germany there are just local piecemeal responses. Even some large cities were only starting their corona virus planning this week. Conflicting advice is being given. Inconsistent or nonexistent checks or advice for people returning from risky places.

    The local Gesundheitsamt here, who are the responsible authority, are advising people who think they might be infected to visit their doctor, which seems stupid to me. There have already been cases here.

    It may well be that when things really kick off the NHS, being probably more overstretched already, might do worse, but so far it looks a lot better.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1233550743807893506?s=20

    Political rallies are great places for spreading infections...
    Isn’t that article a good case of fake news? He doesn’t call the virus a hoax, but the democrats politicising of the virus a hoax. Claiming that there’s no preparation or plans etc. All that might in fact be true, but that isnt what the headline says.
    It is hard to be sure but Trump seems to be using the word "hoax" in an idiosyncratic way.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,059
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
    Normally US primary care is very test orientated. Like private dentists. If there’s a £50 fee in it, they’ll be all over it. While nhs dentistry is “you got some pain in your tooth? Let’s just pull it out. It’s for the best”.
    Just last month an insured friend asked the consultant if he should go private. The reply was that the NHS would do the test, for any test needed, regardless of cost, whereas if he went private, the consultant would ask him if he wanted the test costing £XXX and give him a better sandwich afterwards.
    Not sure, TBH, about the sandwich. Mrs C has just had a minor dermatology 'op' privately, because NHS dermatology seems to have collapsed locally. All very smooth, professional, good surroundings and so on, but the dressing afterwards wasn't as good, I thought, from the way it turned out, as it should have been, and anyway she was referred to the NHS for aftercare; our local surgery where the practice nurse sorted everything out very efficiently.
    It's a while ago now, but I worked at one time or another in both private and NHS hospitals and I'd always go NHS. And not just because of the cost.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,776
    kamski said:

    So far the NHS seems to be doing well from what I've read. Here in Germany there are just local piecemeal responses. Even some large cities were only starting their corona virus planning this week. Conflicting advice is being given. Inconsistent or nonexistent checks or advice for people returning from risky places.

    The local Gesundheitsamt here, who are the responsible authority, are advising people who think they might be infected to visit their doctor, which seems stupid to me. There have already been cases here.

    It may well be that when things really kick off the NHS, being probably more overstretched already, might do worse, but so far it looks a lot better.

    One advantage of a centralised system is that Public Health is generally well handled. UK and Scandanavia are reasonably good at this in terms of other public health initiatives such as systematic programmes for diabetes care.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,023
    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    This takes us up to 4 separate community clusters with no clear cause in the US: Washington, Oregon, 2*California.

    Separately a second case that had travelled to SKorea but never got into contact with the public.

    Hardly a surprise, but the blue states are more at risk from this than the red states.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,776
    OldKingCole said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
    Normally US primary care is very test orientated. Like private dentists. If there’s a £50 fee in it, they’ll be all over it. While nhs dentistry is “you got some pain in your tooth? Let’s just pull it out. It’s for the best”.
    Just last month an insured friend asked the consultant if he should go private. The reply was that the NHS would do the test, for any test needed, regardless of cost, whereas if he went private, the consultant would ask him if he wanted the test costing £XXX and give him a better sandwich afterwards.
    Not sure, TBH, about the sandwich. Mrs C has just had a minor dermatology 'op' privately, because NHS dermatology seems to have collapsed locally. All very smooth, professional, good surroundings and so on, but the dressing afterwards wasn't as good, I thought, from the way it turned out, as it should have been, and anyway she was referred to the NHS for aftercare; our local surgery where the practice nurse sorted everything out very efficiently.
    It's a while ago now, but I worked at one time or another in both private and NHS hospitals and I'd always go NHS. And not just because of the cost.
    By and large, I would agree. The retail aspects of the experience are not so good on the NHS, but when it comes to back up, equipment and testing at no cost to the individual, it is chalk and cheese.


  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,124
    tlg86 said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    This takes us up to 4 separate community clusters with no clear cause in the US: Washington, Oregon, 2*California.

    Separately a second case that had travelled to SKorea but never got into contact with the public.

    Hardly a surprise, but the blue states are more at risk from this than the red states.
    Perhaps but otoh if the virus does reach small-town America, is it more likely to spread quickly through churches, watching football games and the like, and infect higher proportions?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    Trump is going to kill a lot of Americans. Only a country in steep moral and social decline would ever choose him to be its president.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,776
    tlg86 said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    This takes us up to 4 separate community clusters with no clear cause in the US: Washington, Oregon, 2*California.

    Separately a second case that had travelled to SKorea but never got into contact with the public.

    Hardly a surprise, but the blue states are more at risk from this than the red states.
    Those Evangelical churches though...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,551
    SouthamObserver said:

    Trump is going to kill a lot of Americans. Only a country in steep moral and social decline would ever choose him to be its president.

    Primarily his own supporters, and potentially himself.

    It's becoming increasingly hard to believe this entire timeline isn't a work of fiction.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,539
    Good morning, everyone.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    SouthamObserver said:

    Trump is going to kill a lot of Americans. Only a country in steep moral and social decline would ever choose him to be its president.

    Yep to all of that
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1233445116750258177?s=20

    I don't believe Texas will go blue this time but it is close. When it swings that will be a seismic event in US politics.
    Yep. California was usually a Rebublican state until 1992. Now it's solidly Democrat. When Texas goes the same way Republicans are going to be screwed.
    At most Texas will be a swing state it won't be safe blue and of course Trump won Midwestern and rustbelt states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania which have not gone Republican since the 1980s
    The problem for the Republicans is that the rustbelt states that are turning red are shrinking in population and therefore will have fewer electoral votes after this year’s census, whereas the sunbelt states that are turning blue are growing in population and will gain electoral votes.
    True but of course if Texas becomes a swing state the Republicans will only tend to win the presidency when they win it and its expanding EC votes, the rustbelt states may well become safe Republican states they win regardless.

    Someone like half Hispanic George P Bush, currently Texas Land Commissioner is the kind of candidate the GOP need longterm to win.

    Trump is a last hurrah for the rustbelt white working class
    I can't see the Trump coalition voting for a Bush, much less a Hispanic one.
    The Trump coalition is just Republican voters.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    edited February 2020
    Hoax or plague - it’s not really going to matter for the economies of the countries where there are clusters.

    Anyone know if Polly Toynbee is quarantined in her Tuscany mansion ?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1233107531775512576?s=20

    Despite the catchy headline what the doctor actually says is don't wear a crap mask. It needs to have a good filter and be tight fitting.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,867
    TGOHF666 said:

    Hoax or plague - it’s not really going to matter for the economies of the countries where there are clusters.

    Anyone know if Polly Toynbee is quarantined in her Tuscany mansion ?

    Who cares, the virus is non-political.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    It's stark and rather frightening that should Covid-19 hit the US in any serious way, the mortality outcome could well be closer to Iran's than Singapore's or South Korea's. Combine charlatans and fools in power with a creaking and very basic public health system, and hey presto!
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    And for those of you who think we're doing brilliantly:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51660694

  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    edited February 2020
    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of people just like the Uk.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,619
    tlg86 said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    This takes us up to 4 separate community clusters with no clear cause in the US: Washington, Oregon, 2*California.

    Separately a second case that had travelled to SKorea but never got into contact with the public.

    Hardly a surprise, but the blue states are more at risk from this than the red states.
    Things are so bad that no-one travels between the two?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    Not to go all eadric, but there is some support for the possibility of reinfection, as some coronaviruses can attack the capacity to learn immunity:

    A Human Coronavirus Responsible for the Common Cold Massively Kills Dendritic Cells but Not Monocytes
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3416289/

    ABSTRACT
    Human coronaviruses are associated with upper respiratory tract infections that occasionally spread to the lungs and other organs. Although airway epithelial cells represent an important target for infection, the respiratory epithelium is also composed of an elaborate network of dendritic cells (DCs) that are essential sentinels of the immune system, sensing pathogens and presenting foreign antigens to T lymphocytes. In this report, we show that in vitro infection by human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E) induces massive cytopathic effects in DCs, including the formation of large syncytia and cell death within only few hours. In contrast, monocytes are much more resistant to infection and cytopathic effects despite similar expression levels of CD13, the membrane receptor for HCoV-229E. While the differentiation of monocytes into DCs in the presence of granulocyte-macrophage colony-stimulating factor and interleukin-4 requires 5 days, only 24 h are sufficient for these cytokines to sensitize monocytes to cell death and cytopathic effects when infected by HCoV-229E. Cell death induced by HCoV-229E is independent of TRAIL, FasL, tumor necrosis factor alpha, and caspase activity, indicating that viral replication is directly responsible for the observed cytopathic effects. The consequence of DC death at the early stage of HCoV-229E infection may have an impact on the early control of viral dissemination and on the establishment of long-lasting immune memory, since people can be reinfected multiple times by HCoV-229E.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,619
    edited February 2020
    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    It’s funny: a lot of public things are surprisingly crap for a first world country, like the state of the roads (although there are a lot of roadworks right now), and the dreadful airports and stations. Yet maintenance and facilities of things like the National and State Parks, or even some local county trail, are pretty good. Ditto many of the dog parks.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans - all 330 million people can be lumped into one silo.

    And yes of course there is no real parts of America outside NYC, Orlando and Vegas..

    Just like the Uk only consists of Toxteth, Tower Hamlets and Govanhill.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.

    I tend to agree. It's a country I have visited three or four times a year since the early 1990s, and the sharp decline into public squalor has been very quick. It is a country without pity, though it is also one of a thousand small private kindnesses. There is so much to admire and cherish there, but at an institutional and political level, and at a broad social one, it is utterly buggered. I do not see a way back. It is absolutely clear to me that Europe, including the UK, has found a much better way of delivering a level of comfort, calm and security for most of its citizens. America is a great place in which to be wealthy. It is horrible otherwise.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    To be less alarmist, that does not sound quite like the accounts so far of second positive tests:

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/02/28/world/asia/28reuters-china-health-reinfection-explainer.html
    On Wednesday, the Osaka prefectural government in Japan said a woman working as a tour-bus guide had tested positive for the coronavirus for a second time. This followed reports in China that discharged patients throughout the country were testing positive after their release from the hospital.

    An official at China's National Health Commission said on Friday that such patients have not been found to be infectious.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,012
    eadric said:

    Chameleon said:

    First?

    https://www.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233561495046414336

    More new cases in the morning update than in the morning and evening updates added together of any day before.

    Horrendous
    hardly horrendous
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    “No doubt Jeremy is hoping lots of Jews catch it”

    Good game this projection lark...
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans -
    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    SouthamObserver said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.

    I tend to agree. It's a country I have visited three or four times a year since the early 1990s, and the sharp decline into public squalor has been very quick. It is a country without pity, though it is also one of a thousand small private kindnesses. There is so much to admire and cherish there, but at an institutional and political level, and at a broad social one, it is utterly buggered. I do not see a way back. It is absolutely clear to me that Europe, including the UK, has found a much better way of delivering a level of comfort, calm and security for most of its citizens. America is a great place in which to be wealthy. It is horrible otherwise.
    That nails it. 100%.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans - all 330 million people can be lumped into one silo.

    And yes of course there is no real parts of America outside NYC, Orlando and Vegas..

    Just like the Uk only consists of Toxteth, Tower Hamlets and Govanhill.
    I don’t think you do get it. “Its people are quite lovely” doesn’t quite square with you understanding.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,012
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    FFS, now you are an expert on USA, what a pompous windbag you are, probably never even been there either.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,551
    Mysticrose said:


    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.

    I don't think it makes sense to generalize about America like that, it's just so big and diverse.
  • northernpowerhouse2northernpowerhouse2 Posts: 190
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans -
    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.
    It’s one of the most amazing places on Earth. I’ve lived, worked and studied from New England, mid west and west coast. A fantastic place.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans -
    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.
    Yes I can see you have travelled extensively within a ... checks notes ... 100 mile radius of a country 3000 miles wide and 1,500 North to South.

    You should change your moniker to Mystic Judith Chalmers.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,012
    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1233107531775512576?s=20

    Despite the catchy headline what the doctor actually says is don't wear a crap mask. It needs to have a good filter and be tight fitting.
    Any one would at least help reduce you spreading it if coughing and sneezing. May not stop you getting it but should be compulsory in the event it ever gets to UK in any volume . Meanwhile the wibbly wobbly snowflakes should just stay at home and quiver.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans -
    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.
    It’s one of the most amazing places on Earth. I’ve lived, worked and studied from New England, mid west and west coast. A fantastic place.
    Not any more. Go back. Open your eyes and see the disintegration.

    It's an utter tragedy.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Reports that Turkey has exacted its revenge on the Syrians:

    https://twitter.com/im_PULSE/status/1233537920528719872?s=20
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    malcolmg said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    FFS, now you are an expert on USA, what a pompous windbag you are, probably never even been there either.
    Nailed it malc - the snobbery from the left is nauseating.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1233107531775512576?s=20

    Despite the catchy headline what the doctor actually says is don't wear a crap mask. It needs to have a good filter and be tight fitting.
    The actual quote:

    Medical professionals who come into close contact with the coronavirus will usually be wearing more heavy-duty masks, which can filter out unwanted particles and are specifically fitted to the wearer's face.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Fwiw, yes I do know the U.S.

    Rather better, evidently, than some of the myopic white men on here.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    TGOHF666 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    “No doubt Jeremy is hoping lots of Jews catch it”

    Good game this projection lark...

    Bad night, mate?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    NHS:

    Prevention

    Are face masks useful for preventing coronavirus?
    Face masks play a very important role in places like hospitals, but there is very little evidence of widespread benefit for members of the public.

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/common-questions/

    This is consistent with advice in other countries - eg Singapore. The only possible advantage is among sick people to minimise spread of virus - but they should be in isolation anyway. All well people wearing face masks does is put supply under strain, limiting their availability where they are needed.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    TGOHF666 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    FFS, now you are an expert on USA, what a pompous windbag you are, probably never even been there either.
    Nailed it malc - the snobbery from the left is nauseating.

    As opposed to the small-minded myopia of the right.

    Loving this projection game!

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,012
    OldKingCole said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    northernpowerhouse2 said:

    Gabs3 said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The difference between having a national health service vs a patchy insurance system.
    Normally US primary care is very test orientated. Like private dentists. If there’s a £50 fee in it, they’ll be all over it. While nhs dentistry is “you got some pain in your tooth? Let’s just pull it out. It’s for the best”.
    Just last month an insured friend asked the consultant if he should go private. The reply was that the NHS would do the test, for any test needed, regardless of cost, whereas if he went private, the consultant would ask him if he wanted the test costing £XXX and give him a better sandwich afterwards.
    Not sure, TBH, about the sandwich. Mrs C has just had a minor dermatology 'op' privately, because NHS dermatology seems to have collapsed locally. All very smooth, professional, good surroundings and so on, but the dressing afterwards wasn't as good, I thought, from the way it turned out, as it should have been, and anyway she was referred to the NHS for aftercare; our local surgery where the practice nurse sorted everything out very efficiently.
    It's a while ago now, but I worked at one time or another in both private and NHS hospitals and I'd always go NHS. And not just because of the cost.
    Have to say I have not found that at all. Any private visits have never involved talking about money , just treatment required.
    Issue with NHS is actually getting treatment in first case, fine if emergency then you get absolutely great treatment , but if they do not count as an emergency then you have a long wait.
    Perfect example is my wife having complications from recent illness and consultant says he needs to refer her to Cardiology. Target for an appointment is 12 weeks and given how crap she is feeling that is not acceptable. I go private and can choose an appointment with top cardiologist immediately. She will have all tests and treatment etc in a few weeks at most.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    'Course if all you do is hire a car at Kennedy and take the interstate to Orlando, you're never going to see what's really going on.

    America is absolutely fucked. Tragically.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    SouthamObserver said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    FFS, now you are an expert on USA, what a pompous windbag you are, probably never even been there either.
    Nailed it malc - the snobbery from the left is nauseating.

    As opposed to the small-minded myopia of the right.

    Loving this projection game!

    Well indeed. And one of the finest examples of that is currently coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    He's going to come badly unstuck over this. First time that I've doubted his re-election.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Mysticrose said:

    'Course if all you do is hire a car at Kennedy and take the interstate to Orlando, you're never going to see what's really going on.

    America is absolutely fucked. Tragically.

    Why would you land at Kennedy if you wanted to go to Orlando?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Mysticrose said:

    Fwiw, yes I do know the U.S.

    Rather better, evidently, than some of the myopic white men on here.

    Ok Boomer.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mysticrose said:

    'Course if all you do is hire a car at Kennedy and take the interstate to Orlando, you're never going to see what's really going on.

    America is absolutely fucked. Tragically.

    Why would you land at Kennedy if you wanted to go to Orlando?
    Seems our in house Thomas Cook might have lied on their CV 🤣.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    Mysticrose said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    FFS, now you are an expert on USA, what a pompous windbag you are, probably never even been there either.
    Nailed it malc - the snobbery from the left is nauseating.

    As opposed to the small-minded myopia of the right.

    Loving this projection game!

    Well indeed. And one of the finest examples of that is currently coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    He's going to come badly unstuck over this. First time that I've doubted his re-election.

    I doubt it will make much difference. The electoral maths heavily favours Trump as far as I can see. The American culture wars are far more advanced than our own. Trump controls the federal judiciary and the Supreme Court, which will be absolutely key in a close election. And it is much easier to prevent the wrong people voting.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    Mysticrose said:

    And for those of you who think we're doing brilliantly:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51660694

    I spoke to a health professional recently who was utterly damning of 111.

    "You're better off not calling them at all" was his verdict.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    CarlottaVance said:

    Mysticrose said:

    'Course if all you do is hire a car at Kennedy and take the interstate to Orlando, you're never going to see what's really going on.

    America is absolutely fucked. Tragically.

    Why would you land at Kennedy if you wanted to go to Orlando?

    My guess is that this was a touch of irony.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,876
    An interesting first hand account of getting the virus:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/to-hell-and-back-my-three-weeks-suffering-from-coronavirus

    Interestingly his grandmother recovered much more rapidly.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    MarqueeMark said:

    Mysticrose said:

    And for those of you who think we're doing brilliantly:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51660694

    I spoke to a health professional recently who was utterly damning of 111.

    "You're better off not calling them at all" was his verdict.

    That's always been the case, hasn't it?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    TGOHF666 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    “No doubt Jeremy is hoping lots of Jews catch it”
    On a more serious note, if/when Covid-19 gets into the Gaza strip its going to be a horror show.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,619
    CarlottaVance said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    “No doubt Jeremy is hoping lots of Jews catch it”
    On a more serious note, if/when Covid-19 gets into the Gaza strip its going to be a horror show.
    They do at least have the quarantine in place already ;)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,660
    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    If Dominic Cummings gets it, he will probably kill himself trying out a new vaccine that only his brilliant mind could have dreamed up.

    Therefore, much though I dislike him I hope he doesn’t get it.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    SouthamObserver said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    “No doubt Jeremy is hoping lots of Jews catch it”

    Good game this projection lark...

    Bad night, mate?

    No - it was this morning reading bulldung on here from you about Conservatives rubbing their hands with glee about people dying blah blah.

    Why do you post such nonsense ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,660
    SouthamObserver said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Mysticrose said:

    'Course if all you do is hire a car at Kennedy and take the interstate to Orlando, you're never going to see what's really going on.

    America is absolutely fucked. Tragically.

    Why would you land at Kennedy if you wanted to go to Orlando?

    My guess is that this was a touch of irony.

    Or a sign the person concerned knew Jack about the geography of America.

    Ah, my coat...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,012
    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans -
    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.
    Go to London and walk about it is a shithole
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    TGOHF666 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    No doubt Dominic Cummings sees Covid-19 as a Darwinian opportunity. Hopefully, he is being kept as far away from response planning as is humanly possible!

    “No doubt Jeremy is hoping lots of Jews catch it”

    Good game this projection lark...

    Bad night, mate?

    No - it was this morning reading bulldung on here from you about Conservatives rubbing their hands with glee about people dying blah blah.

    Why do you post such nonsense ?

    Not Conservatives. It was an observation about a particular person who has a fondness for theories relating to natural selection. I am sorry that you did not understand that.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,773
    malcolmg said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mysticrose said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Chameleon said:

    New cases in Washington. Adolescent, initially wasn't tested due to not being in contact with a diagnosed victim. Returned to school before being pulled out after a positive test.

    The US seems remarkably stingy in its testing - looks like the U.K. tests anyone that might be possibly infected while in the US there are multiple criteria to be satisfied before a test is carried out. Yesterday alone the U.K. carried out nearly twice the number of tests that the US has conducted since the start of the outbreak. If the US was testing at the same rate as the U.K. they would have carried out over 45,000 tests, not the 455 they have done.
    The US is absolutely fucked. As a country it stinks. Sorry to Robert, but I really think that. I was appalled on my last trip: just a complete disintegration in anything resembling a decent society.
    You have been going to the wrong places then .

    The USA is a wonderful country full of The entries spectrum of different kinds people just like the Uk.

    I'm afraid it really isn't. And if you call the wrong places major states and NYC then there's not a lot of the US left.

    It's utterly fucked. A dystopian nightmare of social inequality where 'the American Dream is benefiting from someone else's misfortune' (John Green). The amount of homeless has rocketed. The middle classes try to have them bused out of the suburbs into the town centres so that the WASPS don't have to see them - which is probably why you think it's all rosy.

    I compare it to how the white South Africans viewed their country during apartheid: oblivious to the real human tragedy and social disintegration going on around them.

    America's one saving grace is that its people are quite lovely. Apart from the idiot in the White House.
    We get it - you don’t like America or Americans -
    Which part of 'Americans are lovely' did you not read? They're fabulous people.

    America is absolutely fucked though. Go to NYC. Walk around. Open your eyes. Heck, do the same thing Upstate. Go to supposedly middle class places like Hartford CT and, again, walk around ... if you dare.

    The country is in a god-awful absolute shithole mess.
    Go to London and walk about it is a shithole
    I was in Cardiff this week, surprised by the number of people in just a sleeping bag, propped up against a wall. It was wet, with a very cold wind. Really testing conditions to be outside.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1233228289445158912?s=20
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