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  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Jonathan said:

    Pulpstar said:
    One reason for that (having now got a family) is that almost all other cars don't have the spaces for kids and luggage.

    Estate cars with roofracks used to be a big alternative in the 90s but these seem to have now largely disappeared from the roads.
    The year was 1986, my parents, my sister and I head off to Cornwall for two weeks. With us the dog, duvets, pillows and suitcases for the four of us.

    In a classic mini.

    I remember helping my dad force the boot shut. We didn’t need airbags. The pillows did that.
    Did it take a week there and a week back?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    IshmaelZ said:

    More meat on a leg, surely?

    Pulling ours, I sense.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    I already told you, dolt.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Byronic said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    I know. It's kind of impressive, in its own way. A whole story about a wave of terrible violence centred very much on one "community", and they still manage to avoid explicitly identifying it.

    Heroic.
    This one has been doing the rounds a bit, getting little to no coverage in the mainstream media though.

    https://twitter.com/SwanOfTuonela/status/1220345332418084864?s=20

    Warning - one of the images contains some blood.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230

    Pulpstar said:
    One reason for that (having now got a family) is that almost all other cars don't have the spaces for kids and luggage.

    Estate cars with roofracks used to be a big alternative in the 90s but these seem to have now largely disappeared from the roads.
    The roof rack is overdue a return. If you strap the children to it then you don't have to listen to their moaning and bickering all the time, nor do you have to stop every few miles for wee-wee or risk spoiling the interior of the vehicle, and all the insects flying into their mouths will provide good nutrition and reduce the requirement to feed them. I mean, what's not to like?
    Ruins the aerodynamics.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Are we more concerned about Muslim gangsters or the Guardian being coy about it?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Nigelb said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    I already told you, dolt.
    No you didn't. So who is it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    If we're lucky interstellar travel will be as in the Commonwealth saga by Peter Hamilton, in which trainlines go through artificial wormholes to different planets, and that way all this investment will really last for the future.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Gabs3 said:
    I now have a mental image of Donald Trump having sex with all those people...
    And now so do the rest of us! Thank you very much.
    Misery loveth company...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:
    One reason for that (having now got a family) is that almost all other cars don't have the spaces for kids and luggage.

    Estate cars with roofracks used to be a big alternative in the 90s but these seem to have now largely disappeared from the roads.
    The roof rack is overdue a return. If you strap the children to it then you don't have to listen to their moaning and bickering all the time, nor do you have to stop every few miles for wee-wee or risk spoiling the interior of the vehicle, and all the insects flying into their mouths will provide good nutrition and reduce the requirement to feed them. I mean, what's not to like?
    Ruins the aerodynamics.
    "Ruins" might be overstating things a little, and the problem can be mitigated by investing in a cheap deflector to mount on the roof above the windscreen (albeit admittedly at the cost of depriving the kids of all the valuable free insect protein.)

    Anyway, think of another obvious compensation: with plenty of room released in the car itself for luggage, your valuable suitcases won't get bashed about, and there's room for more of them. So a selection of evening wear can be brought along, for all those nice dinners you'll be enjoying after the kids have been sedated and locked in the hotel room for the night.
  • Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    I already told you, dolt.
    No you didn't. So who is it?
    Vegans? Ovo-lacto-vegetarians?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Is that the Swedish Katie Hopkins?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    I already told you, dolt.
    No you didn't. So who is it?
    Vegans? Ovo-lacto-vegetarians?
    I don't have a clue. Apparently Nigelb knows, but he's not telling us.

    A mystery indeed
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,381
    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    Devotees of Alan's Snackbar
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    Jonathan said:

    Pulpstar said:
    One reason for that (having now got a family) is that almost all other cars don't have the spaces for kids and luggage.

    Estate cars with roofracks used to be a big alternative in the 90s but these seem to have now largely disappeared from the roads.
    The year was 1986, my parents, my sister and I head off to Cornwall for two weeks. With us the dog, duvets, pillows and suitcases for the four of us.

    In a classic mini.

    I remember helping my dad force the boot shut. We didn’t need airbags. The pillows did that.
    Did it take a week there and a week back?
    7 glorious hours, and that was mostly getting out of the back seat.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.

    Is ignorance as blissful as they make out?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51233444

    Rolls Royce this week confirmed that it is to go ahead and manufacture mini-nukes. Seeing as this project has been done with the aid of Govt money i.e Tory Govt money then the right is providing and supporting solutions.

    One in each town. What could possible go wrong?

    "We just Blackburn" the Govt. confirmed tonight.

    It comes barely three months after ISIS destroyed the reactor in Weston-super-Mare, leading to the evacuation of Bristol....."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,381

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    I have had actual people complaining to me over the terrible government policy regarding offshore wind - apparently it is very hard to find reasons to stop the projects so they go through far too quickly.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.
    Such a new motorway would be even less popular, and probably more expensive. Then you have the sustainability issues. Railways have a very low coefficient of friction and are far more efficient at carrying heavy loads at speed for limited energy outlay. Not to mention all the extra civils work (spoil and concrete) required of a new trunk road.

    People are far less tolerant of new roads than they are of new railways.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,381

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.
    For octuple points you could put the "Phase II*" power trains from the new Routemaster buses in them....

    *The plan for the Routemaster design was to start with a hybrid design, but make them upgradeable to fully electric when battery prices dropped.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Byronic said:

    I don't have a clue. Apparently Nigelb knows, but he's not telling us.

    A mystery indeed

    Do you think the liberal left cover up the awful truth about Muslim criminality in order to protect their sacred cow of "diversity is good"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,381
    edited January 2020

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.
    Such a new motorway would be even less popular, and probably more expensive. Then you have the sustainability issues. Railways have a very low coefficient of friction and are far more efficient at carrying heavy loads at speed for limited energy outlay. Not to mention all the extra civils work (spoil and concrete) required of a new trunk road.

    People are far less tolerant of new roads than they are of new railways.
    Hence some of the more comic rage at what Elon Musk's Boring Company is doing. Aside from the Hyperloop stuff, what he is trying to do is automate tunnelling. If you do that at sufficient depth, then an enormous planning problem arrises....

    How can the whole planning law industry sustain itself on projects where they can't block stuff? How will politicians try and bribe (and receive bribes) from automated tunnelling machines?

    HS2 might have been cheaper as 100% tunnel with todays technology....
  • Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.
    Such a new motorway would be even less popular, and probably more expensive. Then you have the sustainability issues. Railways have a very low coefficient of friction and are far more efficient at carrying heavy loads at speed for limited energy outlay. Not to mention all the extra civils work (spoil and concrete) required of a new trunk road.

    People are far less tolerant of new roads than they are of new railways.
    Rip up the M1 and M6/M74 and turn them into 6-track super railways - service stations can be turned into, er, stations.

    And hey-presto, a new high-speed route from London to Carlisle and Glasgow and London to Birmingham and The North!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    I already told you, dolt.
    No you didn't. So who is it?
    Vegans? Ovo-lacto-vegetarians?
    I don't have a clue. Apparently Nigelb knows, but he's not telling us.

    A mystery indeed
    No, I just decline to be catechised by those with your trolling instincts.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited January 2020
    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/
  • kinabalu said:

    Byronic said:

    I don't have a clue. Apparently Nigelb knows, but he's not telling us.

    A mystery indeed

    Do you think the liberal left cover up the awful truth about Muslim criminality in order to protect their sacred cow of "diversity is good"?
    Nah, 'course not :lol:
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Nigelb said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Byronic said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Byronic said:

    The wonderful enrichment of Swedish life

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

    And people wonder why Sweden's leading party, in the polls, is on the Hard Right, and descended from pukka Fascists.

    Lol - from that well known right wing rag, the Grauniad too
    Reading the article, they obviously strained every editorial muscle not to mention the ethnicity of those involved in the bombings.
    No, it is more likely because Sweden does not officially record ethnicity, so I guess the Guardian were simply reporting the facts as they had them
    The quote which includes ‘inshallah’ is hardly straining your imaginary editorial muscle...
    So who is doing it then? Hindus? Russians? Zoroastrians? All the article says is "integration" might be an issue.

    If you have greater knowledge, please tell us.
    I already told you, dolt.
    No you didn't. So who is it?
    Vegans? Ovo-lacto-vegetarians?
    I don't have a clue. Apparently Nigelb knows, but he's not telling us.

    A mystery indeed
    No, I just decline to be catechised by those with your trolling instincts.
    I'm still none the wiser. Apparently you know the identity of the "community" here, even though you say Sweden does not gather stats "by ethnicity".

    So you do know, but you won't tell us? For reasons which are near unfathomable.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited January 2020

    Crossrail's probably still a year or two away from opening, but almost all the stations between Stratford and Shenfield have new purple "roundel" signs in the style of London Underground. Only Romford doesn't at time of writing.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Sunil060902+Crossrail+roundel&title=Special:Search&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1

    A year or two? Do we really think it'll be that quick?

    If HS2 ever gets completed it'll probably have been rendered obsolete by Star Trek-style beaming technology before King George XXIV gets the chance to cut the ribbon.
    Crossrail is basically finished. It's just the systems integration and dynamic testing that's outstanding.

    Unfortunately it ain't going anywhere until it can be proved it's 100% safe and at least 98%+ reliable to it's very high frequency timetable, and that may require testing, fixing, retesting and repatching software, and then testing again.

    So yes, I can see it taking at least another two years. No-one understands just how hard or long systems integration is in a railway project, and it's always underestimated.
    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.
    Such a new motorway would be even less popular, and probably more expensive. Then you have the sustainability issues. Railways have a very low coefficient of friction and are far more efficient at carrying heavy loads at speed for limited energy outlay. Not to mention all the extra civils work (spoil and concrete) required of a new trunk road.

    People are far less tolerant of new roads than they are of new railways.
    Rip up the M1 and M6/M74 and turn them into 6-track super railways - service stations can be turned into, er, stations.

    And hey-presto, a new high-speed route from London to Carlisle and Glasgow and London to Birmingham and The North!
    Or just build monorails above them.....

    (although, maybe not above Spaghetti Junction!)
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    You have to read between the lines. Only the penultimate sentence gives a clue.

  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    kinabalu said:

    Hence the fact that it would, presumably, be quicker and cheaper to build a new motorway from London to Glasgow and commission a fleet of gold-plated buses to run up and down it than it would be to construct HS2?

    If HS2 is really about capacity rather than speed then there's your answer, *AND* the buses have this miraculous ability to depart the motorway and serve other destinations at any point.

    Is ignorance as blissful as they make out?
    There's no need to be rude, I'm just having a bit of fun. Although FWIW even the most extravagant new road building scheme ought to take considerably less than the 200 years it seems it's going to need to run the new railway all the way through to its proposed Northern termini and to actually get the trains operating on it.

    After all, Crossrail is a fraction of the length of HS2, runs largely on existing tracks, and yet has already taken over ten years to build and shows no immediate signs of being opened. And Crossrail didn't have to put up with the legions of enraged homeowners and environmental campaigners who'll be placard waving and doing their best to disrupt construction every few hundred metres along the route, either. Expect repeated battles over rare snails, great crested newts and thickets of ancient woodland until at least mid-century.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    Sweden is in a really bad place and needs to face up to some hard truths
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    The same can be said of mass racialised gang rape. We have experienced it, here in the UK, on a scale unprecedented outside war. eg the Red Army raping its way across Germany in 1945.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    I always wondered why Scorsese never cast Roger Moore....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51230754
    ... It turns out that Scorsese "hates it when an actor uses eyebrows to emphasise something. He does not allow eyebrow movement"
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Nigelb said:

    No, I just decline to be catechised by those with your trolling instincts.

    That is a good word. Thought it sounded both religious and painful - googled it and so it proved!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Well animals from foxes to bears to sharks to crocodiles to lions to wolves eat other animals
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Floater said:

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    Sweden is in a really bad place and needs to face up to some hard truths
    The only way the Swedish Establishment will be slapped into some awareness is if the Swedish people elect a Far Right government.

    According to the latest polls, that is far from impossible

    https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1220702369790464003?s=20

    Indeed I would go further. Eventually the rebellion against multi-culti and mass immigration, in Europe, will produce a Far Right government in a major western nation, like Italy or France.

    In this light, Brexit can be seen as the means by which the UK avoids that dire fate. Popular anger has been democratically vented before it gets explosive
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    HYUFD said:
    I changed my mind and wanted to remain in the end, but while predicting catastophe is fair enough (even if it turns out wrong), the 'country is finished stuff' is a step beyond even that. Surely someone like Grant can see how saying things like that just makes it easier for Boris to claim people overreact abotu how bad things are? He's helping Boris.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    Nigelb said:

    I always wondered why Scorsese never cast Roger Moore....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51230754
    ... It turns out that Scorsese "hates it when an actor uses eyebrows to emphasise something. He does not allow eyebrow movement"

    Shame Groucho Marx was not a few years younger.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    Nah, 'course not :lol:

    Ah was it obvious? I was just casting my empathy hook. Doesn't always work. ☺
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Well animals from foxes to bears to sharks to crocodiles to lions to wolves eat other animals
    Surely they can receive proper instruction/ training - vegies are luverly
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    HYUFD said:
    HG is truly the luvvy prick of all luvvy pricks
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    edited January 2020
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Well animals from foxes to bears to sharks to crocodiles to lions to wolves eat other animals
    The greatest quality of a human being is to choose not to do something that harms another entity.....ultimately that quality is what is going to make human beings evolve and thrive and treat the environment and nature kindly....not in my lifetime...but to be a fly on the wall in a 150 years time....I'm in touching distance of it, and can see what it can look like....but will not experience it....

    That is why I look at Greta Thunberg as a pathway to our future...Leonardo de Vinci was supposed to suffer from asbergers....history is sparsely littered with people who have something of the future about them.....
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    'England has saved herself by her exertions, and will, as I trust, save Europe by her example'

    - Pitt the Younger :sunglasses:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Eh, if he can still act entertainingly, then whatever.

    Though I did think he was the worst part of The Gentleman. Irritating and pointless, but for use as a framing device which hardly seemed necessary.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Too absurd a post to even bother responding to.

    Given the tone, coupled with the day and time of night, I can only assume you've been drinking again.

    Go to bed.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    He's hardly an artiste so, no sweat.
  • Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    In that case it must be liberating for you never to have been an artist.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    edited January 2020

    There's no need to be rude, I'm just having a bit of fun. Although FWIW even the most extravagant new road building scheme ought to take considerably less than the 200 years it seems it's going to need to run the new railway all the way through to its proposed Northern termini and to actually get the trains operating on it.

    After all, Crossrail is a fraction of the length of HS2, runs largely on existing tracks, and yet has already taken over ten years to build and shows no immediate signs of being opened. And Crossrail didn't have to put up with the legions of enraged homeowners and environmental campaigners who'll be placard waving and doing their best to disrupt construction every few hundred metres along the route, either. Expect repeated battles over rare snails, great crested newts and thickets of ancient woodland until at least mid-century.

    I wasn't being rude. I was being punchy.

    You are in fact one of my favourite posters. Few write with quite the elegance and authority that you do. But it is very often nonsense and one must not get sucked in.

    Are you a male or female construct btw? I can't tell. Which is unusual.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Never going to happen.

    Their narcissism and egos instill them with a belief that they matter and everyone cares what they have to say.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    tyson said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Well animals from foxes to bears to sharks to crocodiles to lions to wolves eat other animals
    The greatest quality of a human being is to choose not to do something that harms another entity.....ultimately that quality is what is going to make human beings evolve and thrive and treat the environment and nature kindly....not in my lifetime...but to be a fly on the wall in a 150 years time....I'm in touching distance of it, and can see what it can look like....but will not experience it....

    That is why I look at Greta Thunberg as a pathway to our future...Leonardo de Vinci was supposed to suffer from asbergers....history is sparsely littered with people who have something of the future about them.....
    OMG - I believe that's the correct usage.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......
    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    It's not an uncommon sci-fi trope that in the future people will look back at the concept of eating actual meat as repellant, but no one will look back and say that because they will know human's didn't have the capability to manufacture meat substitutes at the time, and that being omnivores was part of humanity's development even where vegetarianism became viable later. So no one will ever act surprised we used to eat meat, that's just stupid.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    kle4 said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......
    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    It's not an uncommon sci-fi trope that in the future people will look back at the concept of eating actual meat as repellant, but no one will look back and say that because they will know human's didn't have the capability to manufacture meat substitutes at the time, and that being omnivores was part of humanity's development even where vegetarianism became viable later. So no one will ever act surprised we used to eat meat, that's just stupid.
    I don't think there's much sense in trying to talk sense in these circumstances, but I'm pleased you toned down the "stupid".
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    edited January 2020
    removed - edited
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Too absurd a post to even bother responding to.

    Given the tone, coupled with the day and time of night, I can only assume you've been drinking again.

    Go to bed.
    I'm actually in a contemplative mode...I've just come back from watching Terence Malick's "A hidden life" this evening.....it was outstanding...

    I'm going to double down with "Son of Saul" now on BBC player, and so avoid calling you a "fuckwit of the highest calibre"
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Nighty night pbers
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Except if your surname is Reagan.

    Charlie Hunnam, sitting next to Hugh Grant, got himself into trouble too after saying he was a fan of Jordan Peterson

    https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a26871145/charlie-hunnam-jordan-peterson-controversy/
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Too absurd a post to even bother responding to.

    Given the tone, coupled with the day and time of night, I can only assume you've been drinking again.

    Go to bed.
    I'm actually in a contemplative mode...I've just come back from watching Terence Malick's "A hidden life" this evening.....it was outstanding...

    I'm going to double down with "Son of Saul" now on BBC player, and so avoid calling you a "fuckwit of the highest calibre"
    You should try to avoid focusing on your navel
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Never going to happen.

    Their narcissism and egos instill them with a belief that they matter and everyone cares what they have to say.
    Are we talking about Huge Grant or @byronic here
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    "This is of course the caucases in the midwest state of Iowa which has a reputation of pulling off some surprises"

    Indeed.

    And the surprise will be Buttigieg.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Except if your surname is Reagan.
    It might depend on whether you transition from entertainment to politics. Not impossible to do both, but if your living is around entertaining people, there is a risk that politics might get in the way of that, even for the woke, and of course with actors part of the difficulty is their job is pretending to be serious and emotional, when called for, so that when they are genuinely so might be harder for some peopel to fully buy that they mean what they say, or that they are not using their greater charisma or presence to manipulate us even if they don't have a bloody clue what they are on about.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1221193235437162498/photo/1

    HS2 is now the war of brief and counter brief.

    I still think Matthew Parris has it right in the Times. This is a transport corridor for the next two generations. Do it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Nigelb said:

    I always wondered why Scorsese never cast Roger Moore....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51230754
    ... It turns out that Scorsese "hates it when an actor uses eyebrows to emphasise something. He does not allow eyebrow movement"

    Moore as Travis Bickle - Why on earth not?

    "Are you addressing me, old sport?"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    HS2 is now the war of brief and counter brief.

    I still think Matthew Parris has it right in the Times. This is a transport corridor for the next two generations. Do it.

    That was a great article by Parris.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2020
    tyson said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    Well animals from foxes to bears to sharks to crocodiles to lions to wolves eat other animals
    The greatest quality of a human being is to choose not to do something that harms another entity.....ultimately that quality is what is going to make human beings evolve and thrive and treat the environment and nature kindly....not in my lifetime...but to be a fly on the wall in a 150 years time....I'm in touching distance of it, and can see what it can look like....but will not experience it....

    That is why I look at Greta Thunberg as a pathway to our future...Leonardo de Vinci was supposed to suffer from asbergers....history is sparsely littered with people who have something of the future about them.....
    Peter Singer, looking a bit like mash up of several PBers, interviewed by Richard Dawkins on the ethics of eating meat

    https://youtu.be/GYYNY2oKVWU
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51233444

    Rolls Royce this week confirmed that it is to go ahead and manufacture mini-nukes. Seeing as this project has been done with the aid of Govt money i.e Tory Govt money then the right is providing and supporting solutions.

    This idea has substantial problems...

    It is leveraging submarine power plant technology, particularly the natural circulation technology given to us by the US. For those who don't know, the noise a nuclear sub makes is a function of the noise made by the pumps for cooling the reactor. A reactor can generally run at lower power with the coolant being moved by the natural convection in the cooling circuit So "silent" speed for a nuclear sub means the speed at which the sub can run its reactor without pumps. in the case of the old Polaris subs this was 2-3 knots - slow walking speed. The new designs based on the American breakthroughs can achieve much more - the Seawolf class can run at 20+ knots without turning on the pumps....

    When applied to land based reactors, this means among other things, that they are much safer, since they only use the pumps for a maximum power operations.

    Where are the "substantial problems"? Well, by using a standardised design, that means only one enquiry into the design of the reactor. For all installations. Which in turn means a huge diminution of lawyers earnings per GW installed.
    This tech is perhaps more interesting:
    https://www.moltexenergy.com/
    Thorium is a waste of time and money, the technology isn't developing fast enough and it still carries a lot of the negative connotations of nuclear. I used to be a huge proponent in favour of nuclear but the facts have changed since then, renewables are so much cheaper and the mineshaft power storage idea has a lot of potential to solve the problems of peak usage etc...
    The number of nuclear power plants built without public subsidy anywhere in the world is...

    None.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Never going to happen.

    Their narcissism and egos instill them with a belief that they matter and everyone cares what they have to say.
    Are we talking about Huge Grant or @byronic here
    I trust "Huge" was a typo and not first hand knowledge
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Except if your surname is Reagan.
    It might depend on whether you transition from entertainment to politics. Not impossible to do both, but if your living is around entertaining people, there is a risk that politics might get in the way of that, even for the woke, and of course with actors part of the difficulty is their job is pretending to be serious and emotional, when called for, so that when they are genuinely so might be harder for some peopel to fully buy that they mean what they say, or that they are not using their greater charisma or presence to manipulate us even if they don't have a bloody clue what they are on about.
    I quite liked Ronnie, either way.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    edited January 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    I always wondered why Scorsese never cast Roger Moore....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51230754
    ... It turns out that Scorsese "hates it when an actor uses eyebrows to emphasise something. He does not allow eyebrow movement"

    Moore as Travis Bickle - Why on earth not?

    "Are you addressing me, old sport?"
    Could have worked but not with RM - Hollywood loves Brit villains
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    alterego said:

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Never going to happen.

    Their narcissism and egos instill them with a belief that they matter and everyone cares what they have to say.
    Are we talking about Huge Grant or @byronic here
    I trust "Huge" was a typo and not first hand knowledge
    I am sure his sex worker friend could enlighten us
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    tyson said:

    @Casino_Royale.......

    Meat eating in the future will be viewed as disgusting as child abuse...probably more so because a sentient being can survive being abused rather than being eaten

    An increasing amount of people find the concept of eating meat viscerally repellant....its only a matter of time before it becomes one of those things that people look back on and say..."eughhhh...did human's seriously do that to intelligent, and emotional mammals?"

    Aside from all that...it's just unhygienic to eat animal flesh....google why they chlorinate chicken and anyone would puke.....

    BiB - or bat soup...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM_hRWVNcMk
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    alterego said:

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Never going to happen.

    Their narcissism and egos instill them with a belief that they matter and everyone cares what they have to say.
    Are we talking about Huge Grant or @byronic here
    I trust "Huge" was a typo and not first hand knowledge
    I am sure his sex worker friend could enlighten us
    Is he a PBer?
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Byronic said:

    Floater said:

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    Sweden is in a really bad place and needs to face up to some hard truths
    The only way the Swedish Establishment will be slapped into some awareness is if the Swedish people elect a Far Right government.

    According to the latest polls, that is far from impossible

    https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1220702369790464003?s=20

    Indeed I would go further. Eventually the rebellion against multi-culti and mass immigration, in Europe, will produce a Far Right government in a major western nation, like Italy or France.

    In this light, Brexit can be seen as the means by which the UK avoids that dire fate. Popular anger has been democratically vented before it gets explosive
    Are the explosions from Yugoslav gangs or Arab gangs?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Floater said:

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    Sweden is in a really bad place and needs to face up to some hard truths
    The only way the Swedish Establishment will be slapped into some awareness is if the Swedish people elect a Far Right government.

    According to the latest polls, that is far from impossible

    https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1220702369790464003?s=20

    Indeed I would go further. Eventually the rebellion against multi-culti and mass immigration, in Europe, will produce a Far Right government in a major western nation, like Italy or France.

    In this light, Brexit can be seen as the means by which the UK avoids that dire fate. Popular anger has been democratically vented before it gets explosive
    Are the explosions from Yugoslav gangs or Arab gangs?
    Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    "The country is finished." Sounds a bit like Peter Hitchens.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Floater said:

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    Sweden is in a really bad place and needs to face up to some hard truths
    The only way the Swedish Establishment will be slapped into some awareness is if the Swedish people elect a Far Right government.

    According to the latest polls, that is far from impossible

    https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1220702369790464003?s=20

    Indeed I would go further. Eventually the rebellion against multi-culti and mass immigration, in Europe, will produce a Far Right government in a major western nation, like Italy or France.

    In this light, Brexit can be seen as the means by which the UK avoids that dire fate. Popular anger has been democratically vented before it gets explosive
    Are the explosions from Yugoslav gangs or Arab gangs?
    Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore.
    I was using it as a group term for Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    kinabalu said:

    HS2 is now the war of brief and counter brief.

    I still think Matthew Parris has it right in the Times. This is a transport corridor for the next two generations. Do it.

    That was a great article by Parris.
    Johnson is going to have to write two essays, possibly four to decide this one.

    It is a massive decision for him and his administration.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    Very funny but it is not going to win over Democrats heading to vote for Sanders who loathe the billionaire class
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,381

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Floater said:

    It used to be grenades. Then heavy-duty fireworks. No it is industrial explosives the "gangs" are using. The image of this block of flats in a quiet University town wasn't no firework....

    "The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police."

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/11/its-time-for-sweden-to-admit-explosions-are-a-national-emergency/

    Sweden is in a really bad place and needs to face up to some hard truths
    The only way the Swedish Establishment will be slapped into some awareness is if the Swedish people elect a Far Right government.

    According to the latest polls, that is far from impossible

    https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1220702369790464003?s=20

    Indeed I would go further. Eventually the rebellion against multi-culti and mass immigration, in Europe, will produce a Far Right government in a major western nation, like Italy or France.

    In this light, Brexit can be seen as the means by which the UK avoids that dire fate. Popular anger has been democratically vented before it gets explosive
    Are the explosions from Yugoslav gangs or Arab gangs?
    Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore.
    Fundamentalist Unitarians.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    edited January 2020
    HYUFD said:

    Very funny but it is not going to win over Democrats heading to vote for Sanders who loathe the billionaire class
    Indeed.

    And unless those Dems wake up from their 'lets do a Jeremy Corbyn moment' then Trump has four years in the bag without even leaving the golf course.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1221207693546807296?s=20

    87% of Biden voters and 90% of Warren voters by contrast will vote for whoever is the nominee
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,381
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Byronic said:

    HYUFD said:
    Hugh Grant is destroying himself, as a public persona. It is sad.

    Artists should never touch politics directly. Only obliquely, if at all.
    Except if your surname is Reagan.
    It might depend on whether you transition from entertainment to politics. Not impossible to do both, but if your living is around entertaining people, there is a risk that politics might get in the way of that, even for the woke, and of course with actors part of the difficulty is their job is pretending to be serious and emotional, when called for, so that when they are genuinely so might be harder for some peopel to fully buy that they mean what they say, or that they are not using their greater charisma or presence to manipulate us even if they don't have a bloody clue what they are on about.
    Reagan was an actor - but was rather more than that.

    He was a bookworm as a kid - complete with glasses an inch thick. Hence re-inventing himself as a swimming star. His eye sight was too bad for football etc.
    He was into real politics from early in his acting career - actually working his way up the political system, rather than just throwing soundbites at reporters. It's also worth remembering that he had been Governor of California before he ran for President.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1221207693546807296?s=20

    87% of Biden voters and 90% of Warren voters by contrast will vote for whoever is the nominee

    a) I don't believe these fanatical Bernie voters.

    b) if it is true then it is yet another example of why anyone or anything to do with Bernie should not be allowed near the 2020 race.

    THE OBJECTIVE IS TO BEAT TRUMP YOU IDIOTS!
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    HS2 is now the war of brief and counter brief.

    I still think Matthew Parris has it right in the Times. This is a transport corridor for the next two generations. Do it.

    No, Simon Jenkins has it right in the Guardian: "the courage will not be to proceed but to call a halt to this nonsense, to do something better with so much money."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/24/hs2-politics-boris-johnson

    I note the £106 billion cost figure is dubious and a new figure "with contingency" is closer to £130 billion. Or £5,000 for every household in the UK.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Gabs3 said:

    Does anyone know what is behind the sudden Sanders surge? There doesn't seem to be an event or policy that caused it.

    Quite simply the Joe Rogan endorsement.
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