Mr. Jones, the issue with that is that neither of the other slaves (which is a bloody horrific thing to have to write...) are British. But I suppose you may be right. Either way, it suggests that this vile oppression is not an isolated, one-off instance of slavery.
I was thinking she might be the daughter of one of the other two women and born in the house.
''Rev. Flowers is a man of our time. Could one really imagine a senior figure in the Labour and Co-Operative movement behaving like this in, say, Attlee's time?''
No era has a monopoly on depravity. The trial of Oscar Wilde reveals there were young men willing to come to professional arrangements with older richer ones.
He's being questioned in connection with a "drugs supply investigation". If he bought drugs for other people that would make it far more serious than "illegal drug abuse".
Spectator: -"The Revd Paul Flowers ticked all the right 'progressive' boxes — that's why he could get away with anything
The real scandal, though, is not just that he was a staggeringly incompetent bank chief who knew next to nothing about banking and presided over a bank that somehow fell into a £1.5 billion black hole. It is not even his predilection for cocaine, crystal meth and the occasional ‘two-day, drug-fuelled gay orgy’ (to use his words). The scandal is that no one spotted that he was spectacularly unsuited to the jobs he was given — or if they did, they chose to do nothing about it. Yet again, a public figure with his ethics pinned to his sleeve somehow existed beyond proper scrutiny."
Flowers was a useful 'loyal' tool – I doubt any of those who hired him scrutinised his CV.
Flowers misfortune was to get caught out. What's the betting he's only one of many?
‘Flowers misfortune was to get caught out’ – in just about every job or position of trust he held for 30 years. At least 3 investigations are being carried out on every aspect of his ‘career’ so far – and now the police are looking into his illegal drug abuse. Oh dear.
I’m sure there are many more like him, however I doubt they will ever be ‘caught out’ in quite so spectacular a fashion.
Rev. Flowers is a man of our time. Could one really imagine a senior figure in the Labour and Co-Operative movement behaving like this in, say, Attlee's time?
Yes, but the Press would never have done anything so unseemly as to investigate the goings on in a politicians private life.
That is so, but I can't imagine anything like the Parliamentary expenses scandal among the sort of MPs who were around in the 40s and 50s.
Wasn't there a junior Labour minister who's career was immediately terminated over wrongly claiming a rail fare?
The issue is whether this is a moment that the wider public see as exposing Dave as a bloke who'll literally say anything if it's to his advantage rather than your average politician who is economical with the actualite.
As a political junkie Dave's selective amnesia, magical thinking and outright porkies annoy the hell out of me - his sins strike me as more egregious than anyone because he even fibs and indulges in it when it's completely unnecessary and daft. Even his greatest supporters would have to admit that he's pretty much changed his views on everything, but would put it down to being an admirable pragmatist rather than someone who'll say anything.
He gets away with it too because people assume that the natural state of a politician is to be a bit of a fibber. Most people don't particularly care that he said the opposite of what he professes to think now about an issue when it was politically convenient (cf. spending) because they assume it's what politicians do. They're to a certain extent right; if Ed M becomes PM circumstances will ensure that his premiership doesn't run according to the Labour manifesto, whether he's telling outright fibs or not. However I think Dave's always had a plausibility problem, hence why him telling us all this great news isn't shifting the polls.
The question is though whether this is a point where people go from regarding Dave as a typical politician fibber to a bloke who'd tell you his auntie was his uncle if it helped him out. Currently I'm not sure if he has the answer to the question, 'are you an idiot or a liar?'.
Greenery's a bad issue, not just because it defined him in opposition but because it's either 'crap' or it isn't; you either believe in GW and think we need to do something about it or don't, there's no plausible 'I'm concerned but we need to leave things' position.
So if he's gone off it he needs to explain a) why he has, and why he bought into it in the first place and b) why it means people should trust him on anything else.
''Rev. Flowers is a man of our time. Could one really imagine a senior figure in the Labour and Co-Operative movement behaving like this in, say, Attlee's time?''
No era has a monopoly on depravity. The trial of Oscar Wilde reveals there were young men willing to come to professional arrangements with older richer ones.
Oh, no doubt. But, Flowers' behaviour seems to have been pretty much an open secret.
"Our policemen now go in for this sentimentality too, at least in their public pronouncements (in private, they are more robust). They pay nauseating, unctuous tribute to the victim of murder, as if he fell in devotion to a cause, or they say that such and such was a senseless murder, as if there were sensible ones of people who deserved it. Sometimes, they say that a murder took place in the course of a robbery that went tragically wrong — instead, presumably, of going happily right."
''Rev. Flowers is a man of our time. Could one really imagine a senior figure in the Labour and Co-Operative movement behaving like this in, say, Attlee's time?''
No era has a monopoly on depravity. The trial of Oscar Wilde reveals there were young men willing to come to professional arrangements with older richer ones.
''Rev. Flowers is a man of our time. Could one really imagine a senior figure in the Labour and Co-Operative movement behaving like this in, say, Attlee's time?''
No era has a monopoly on depravity. The trial of Oscar Wilde reveals there were young men willing to come to professional arrangements with older richer ones.
Yes, I can; Tom Driberg, and you can add Lord Boothby in too on the Tory side. They make are current lot look like St Francis of Assisi without the owl crap.
Prosperity leads to normal people dropping out of politics so after fifty years of prosperity you end up with a political class that is swarming with sociopaths.
So imo it's not the degree of depravity that changes so much as the percentage involved in it.
It looks seriously likely that the French are heading back into recession yet again. What comes after a triple dip? Yet another demonstration of how well Socialism works as an economic policy. Just as well that Ed Miliband wanted nothing to do with them, eh?
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
It looks seriously likely that the French are heading back into recession yet again. What comes after a triple dip? Yet another demonstration of how well Socialism works as an economic policy. Just as well that Ed Miliband wanted nothing to do with them, eh?
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
'Cause of the cricket?
It was like the 1990 Ashes tour, when we went from 147/3 to 150 all out.
It looks seriously likely that the French are heading back into recession yet again. What comes after a triple dip? Yet another demonstration of how well Socialism works as an economic policy. Just as well that Ed Miliband wanted nothing to do with them, eh?
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
I just think they've gone way past the point that any economy can be taxed.
I think it's probable that FN will now top the poll next year.
It looks seriously likely that the French are heading back into recession yet again. What comes after a triple dip? Yet another demonstration of how well Socialism works as an economic policy. Just as well that Ed Miliband wanted nothing to do with them, eh?
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
'Cause of the cricket?
It was like the 1990 Ashes tour, when we went from 147/3 to 150 all out.
I just don't understand how a team with so many players averaging 40+ can perform like that on what everyone agreed was a good wicket. But if this is a good wicket I think we can predict batsmens' paradises and high scoring draws for much of the rest of the series. Laying the draw may become unwise.
Looks like Bobajob wrote the Guardian editorial, they are very very disappointed with the Tories who have let themselves down very badly. Why can't they be more like that nice sensible young man, Mr Miliband?
Vincenzo Scarpetta @LondonerVince 7m New CEO poll: 54.7% of Catalans would vote for independence in a referendum. Only 22.1% would vote against. pic.twitter.com/Dmnq2gPO3F
Looks like Bobajob wrote the Guardian editorial, they are very very disappointed with the Tories who have let themselves down very badly. Why can't they be more like that nice sensible young man, Mr Miliband?
Looks like Bobajob wrote the Guardian editorial, they are very very disappointed with the Tories who have let themselves down very badly. Why can't they be more like that nice sensible young man, Mr Miliband?
It looks seriously likely that the French are heading back into recession yet again. What comes after a triple dip? Yet another demonstration of how well Socialism works as an economic policy. Just as well that Ed Miliband wanted nothing to do with them, eh?
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
'Cause of the cricket?
It was like the 1990 Ashes tour, when we went from 147/3 to 150 all out.
I just don't understand how a team with so many players averaging 40+ can perform like that on what everyone agreed was a good wicket. But if this is a good wicket I think we can predict batsmens' paradises and high scoring draws for much of the rest of the series. Laying the draw may become unwise.
We've not scored over 400 in our last 9 tests.
Compare back in 2010 and 11 when we regularly scored 600 plus against the Aussies and even got 700 plus against India.
In those days Cook and Trott could bat all test match long as 517/1 showed.
Now they both look like they couldn't bat a full session.
This ain't a criticism of them.
Those two wore down teams for the likes of KP, Bell and Prior to destroy teams later on.
Vincenzo Scarpetta @LondonerVince 7m New CEO poll: 54.7% of Catalans would vote for independence in a referendum. Only 22.1% would vote against. pic.twitter.com/Dmnq2gPO3F
Salmond would kill for those numbers...
Mas would kill, not literally I hope, for a legally binding referendum. You play the hand you've got (and fought hard for).
It looks seriously likely that the French are heading back into recession yet again. What comes after a triple dip? Yet another demonstration of how well Socialism works as an economic policy. Just as well that Ed Miliband wanted nothing to do with them, eh?
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
'Cause of the cricket?
It was like the 1990 Ashes tour, when we went from 147/3 to 150 all out.
I just don't understand how a team with so many players averaging 40+ can perform like that on what everyone agreed was a good wicket. But if this is a good wicket I think we can predict batsmens' paradises and high scoring draws for much of the rest of the series. Laying the draw may become unwise.
We've not scored over 400 in our last 9 tests.
Compare back in 2010 and 11 when we regularly scored 600 plus against the Aussies and even got 700 plus against India.
In those days Cook and Trott could bat all test match long as 517/1 showed.
Now they both look like they couldn't bat a full session.
This ain't a criticism of them.
Those two wore down teams for the likes of KP, Bell and Prior to destroy teams later on.
Apart from Bell they were all mediocre in the summer too.
Vincenzo Scarpetta @LondonerVince 7m New CEO poll: 54.7% of Catalans would vote for independence in a referendum. Only 22.1% would vote against. pic.twitter.com/Dmnq2gPO3F
Salmond would kill for those numbers...
And, the response of the Spanish government would probably be violent, in the event of such a result.
Looks like Bobajob wrote the Guardian editorial, they are very very disappointed with the Tories who have let themselves down very badly. Why can't they be more like that nice sensible young man, Mr Miliband?
Mind you Labour councillors 'stepping down due to outside commitments' may raise the odd eyebrow......
There were a lot of factors at work here. Although work load was given as the reason for the resignation in fact there were tensions within the Labour group when the recently elected councillor challenged the leadership and was rebuffed. The Labour party then selected a candidate called Stephan Jungwitz while the Conservatives chose a black candidate. The Lib Dem was the councillor who lost in 2012 and was due to be mayor in 2012-13. She was very well known in the ward. The Lib Dems also set the agenda for the campaign by challenging the Labour council leadership on planning and transport with their slogan 'Stop Labour's Gridlock.' The Lib Dems also won the ground war in terms of posters, leaflets, and GOTV. The only surprise was the size of the majority.
Speccie...burble...Fraser Nelson...burble...'Blow to Salmond'....burble...'Braveheart'...burble...'separation'...burble...'a wall around Scotland'...burble
Unionism, as predictable and life enhancing as toothache.
Speccie...burble...Fraser Nelson...burble...'Blow to Salmond'....burble...'Braveheart'...burble...'separation'...burble...'a wall around Scotland'...burble
Unionism, as predictable and life enhancing as toothache.
As the article points out, young Scots don't agree with you.
Unionism, as predictable and life enhancing as toothache.
No comment on Eck's latest wheeze?
Since there will be no Sterling currency union, the SNPers are proposing their first act as a newly "minted" nation would be to default on their International debt obligations.
Speccie...burble...Fraser Nelson...burble...'Blow to Salmond'....burble...'Braveheart'...burble...'separation'...burble...'a wall around Scotland'...burble
Unionism, as predictable and life enhancing as toothache.
As the article points out, young Scots don't agree with you.
One mock referendum in one school, and a poll of kids whose responses substantially mirrored their parents' voting intentions? Slightly better than a Dan Hodges polling hypothesis I suppose, but only slightly. I prefer more straw in my bricks.
Why do you not put up all the university voting Scott, all 3 in the last few weeks have been landslides for yes. Of course they are just a bit older and wiser and realise the truth. It is real fun seeing the dopey unionists relying on the odd vote of 16 year olds to justify their position whilst ignoring getting slaughtered at every cut and turn.
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No era has a monopoly on depravity. The trial of Oscar Wilde reveals there were young men willing to come to professional arrangements with older richer ones.
Wasn't there a junior Labour minister who's career was immediately terminated over wrongly claiming a rail fare?
As a political junkie Dave's selective amnesia, magical thinking and outright porkies annoy the hell out of me - his sins strike me as more egregious than anyone because he even fibs and indulges in it when it's completely unnecessary and daft. Even his greatest supporters would have to admit that he's pretty much changed his views on everything, but would put it down to being an admirable pragmatist rather than someone who'll say anything.
He gets away with it too because people assume that the natural state of a politician is to be a bit of a fibber. Most people don't particularly care that he said the opposite of what he professes to think now about an issue when it was politically convenient (cf. spending) because they assume it's what politicians do. They're to a certain extent right; if Ed M becomes PM circumstances will ensure that his premiership doesn't run according to the Labour manifesto, whether he's telling outright fibs or not. However I think Dave's always had a plausibility problem, hence why him telling us all this great news isn't shifting the polls.
The question is though whether this is a point where people go from regarding Dave as a typical politician fibber to a bloke who'd tell you his auntie was his uncle if it helped him out. Currently I'm not sure if he has the answer to the question, 'are you an idiot or a liar?'.
Greenery's a bad issue, not just because it defined him in opposition but because it's either 'crap' or it isn't; you either believe in GW and think we need to do something about it or don't, there's no plausible 'I'm concerned but we need to leave things' position.
So if he's gone off it he needs to explain a) why he has, and why he bought into it in the first place and b) why it means people should trust him on anything else.
The list of modern scandals just goes on and on.
(and I know, Robert Boothby wasn't a Labour/Co-operative person)
Talking of UKIP - they must be rubbing their hands at today's Mail's front page lead.
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/2450
"Our policemen now go in for this sentimentality too, at least in their public pronouncements (in private, they are more robust). They pay nauseating, unctuous tribute to the victim of murder, as if he fell in devotion to a cause, or they say that such and such was a senseless murder, as if there were sensible ones of people who deserved it. Sometimes, they say that a murder took place in the course of a robbery that went tragically wrong — instead, presumably, of going happily right."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511718/Order-Amazon--collect-TUBE-STATION-Firm-talks-convert-ticket-offices-parcel-drop-points.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JsrUNpYBIY
So imo it's not the degree of depravity that changes so much as the percentage involved in it.
(It's no use. Even laughing at the French (and Ed) just seems so pointless today.)
It was like the 1990 Ashes tour, when we went from 147/3 to 150 all out.
I think it's probable that FN will now top the poll next year.
Only £20 million, how will she manage and cope. I think we should have a whip round so she can appeal this ludicrous decision.
Don't think Driberg would have needed such vulgarities as crystal meth to 'oil the wheels', so to speak.
Just watched his interview with Ian Ward, the most down to earth bloke to play for England in years
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/21/co-op-bank-politics-ed-miliband
New CEO poll: 54.7% of Catalans would vote for independence in a referendum. Only 22.1% would vote against. pic.twitter.com/Dmnq2gPO3F
Salmond would kill for those numbers...
Oooh my sides - no sense of irony from the Guardian.
Compare back in 2010 and 11 when we regularly scored 600 plus against the Aussies and even got 700 plus against India.
In those days Cook and Trott could bat all test match long as 517/1 showed.
Now they both look like they couldn't bat a full session.
This ain't a criticism of them.
Those two wore down teams for the likes of KP, Bell and Prior to destroy teams later on.
@Spectator_CH: From @frasernelson: Blow to Salmond as Nairn Academy votes to save the union http://t.co/oYCuJMc6es
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Unionism, as predictable and life enhancing as toothache.
Since there will be no Sterling currency union, the SNPers are proposing their first act as a newly "minted" nation would be to default on their International debt obligations.
That has WIN written all over it.