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edited November 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » As Paul Sykes promises to pump millions into UKIP’s EP2014 campaign LAB’s top fundraiser leaves

There’ve been two political fundraising stories over the past few days. The unsurprising news that Paul Sykes has promised several millions for the UKIP Euro election campaign for next May and the departure of John McCaffrey as Labour’s head of fundraising and commercial services.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Isn't it old news that Paul Sykes stop donating to the Tories and gave money to The Referendum party/Veritas/UKIP for years?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited November 2013
    Could be a real blow, especially if Unite stop funding the Labour party!

    Note to Ed, don't piss off Len
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Could be a real blow, especially if Unite stop funding the Labour party!

    Note to Ed, don't piss off Len

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair. I dont think Ed could even dream up the kind of policies that would be required to scare off a donor that kept the faith from 1997 to 2010.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Could be a real blow, especially if Unite stop funding the Labour party!

    Note to Ed, don't piss off Len

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair. I dont think Ed could even dream up the kind of policies that would be required to scare off a donor that kept the faith from 1997 to 2010.
    I know, which is why Ed won't publish that report into Falkirk
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    What's the point of labour having a fundraising head? Just get all the money from Unite seems to be the current plan.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Rabid lefties...

    Paul Waugh‏@paulwaugh17m
    Crikey. phlegm/spittle alert for EdM on SkyNews now. Literally foaming at the mouth?
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Isn't it old news that Paul Sykes stop donating to the Tories and gave money to The Referendum party/Veritas/UKIP for years?

    Very.

    "In 2004 he was one of UKIP’s biggest donors, bankrolling their General Election campaign after he rejected the Tories.

    He is believed to have spent £6 million backing anti-European campaigns over the years. He said: ‘I have always opposed the euro and I’ve been proved right by recent events.’"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089939/Paul-Sykes-Britains-richest-self-men-reveals-anguish-splitting-wife-44-years.html

    Whereas I imagine there is a real story behind McCaffrey ratting after a bare year. Perhaps he doesn't realise that Falkirk is a non-story?
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Neil said:

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair. I dont think Ed could even dream up the kind of policies that would be required to scare off a donor that kept the faith from 1997 to 2010.

    Don't underestimate him!
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m
    Tweet of The Day RT @JoeMurphyLondon @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister wld nationalise w*nking
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    I've met Paul Sykes, twice.

    Just saying like.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    RichardNabavi said:

    Neil said:

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair. I dont think Ed could even dream up the kind of policies that would be required to scare off a donor that kept the faith from 1997 to 2010.

    Don't mis-underestimate him!
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Could be a real blow, especially if Unite stop funding the Labour party!

    Note to Ed, don't piss off Len

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair. I dont think Ed could even dream up the kind of policies that would be required to scare off a donor that kept the faith from 1997 to 2010.
    I know, which is why Ed won't publish that report into Falkirk
    Ed wont publish the report because it doesnt have anything good to say about the Labour party so why put it out there? If the accumulation of people asking for it to be published results in the political cost of not doing so outweighing the cost of doing it we'll all have a copy in our hands in seconds. But I really dont think there is much political cost from not doing so as your average punter doesnt really care.
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    Gerry_ManderGerry_Mander Posts: 621
    Does anyone know why John McCaffrey has departed, and if so it is possible to share the reasons with us?
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Ed looks good in a playground..suits him
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited November 2013
    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Could be a real blow, especially if Unite stop funding the Labour party!

    Note to Ed, don't piss off Len

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair. I dont think Ed could even dream up the kind of policies that would be required to scare off a donor that kept the faith from 1997 to 2010.
    I know, which is why Ed won't publish that report into Falkirk
    Ed wont publish the report because it doesnt have anything good to say about the Labour party so why put it out there? If the accumulation of people asking for it to be published results in the political cost of not doing so outweighing the cost of doing it we'll all have a copy in our hands in seconds. But I really dont think there is much political cost from not doing so as your average punter doesnt really care.
    It gives Dave Ammo at PMQs, but in the grand scheme of things it is as relevant to the average punter as the time Dave went shopping in Morrisons.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967
    tim said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 16m
    DCameron says embarassed husbands are now 'going to have to hv a discussion' with their wives if they want to opt into porn

    Joe Murphy ‏@JoeMurphyLondon 2m
    @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister would nationalise w---ing

    There will be a National Register of Suspected M*sturbators.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited November 2013
    Gerry_Mander said:

    Does anyone know why John McCaffrey has departed, and if so it is possible to share the reasons with us?

    Yes, he's realised working for Ed Miliband isn't as rewarding as the time he worked for Mike Smithson.

    Ed Miliband is no Mike Smithson.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Apparently Cameron has just Nationalised the major occupation of the Labour Party
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    tim said:

    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 16m
    DCameron says embarassed husbands are now 'going to have to hv a discussion' with their wives if they want to opt into porn

    Joe Murphy ‏@JoeMurphyLondon 2m
    @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister would nationalise w---ing

    There will be a National Register of Suspected M*sturbators.
    Dave is the Porn Crusader, saving us from porn single handedly.
    I don't think he's including posting on PB about fops is he?
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:

    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 16m
    DCameron says embarassed husbands are now 'going to have to hv a discussion' with their wives if they want to opt into porn

    Joe Murphy ‏@JoeMurphyLondon 2m
    @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister would nationalise w---ing

    There will be a National Register of Suspected M*sturbators.
    Dave is the Porn Crusader, saving us from porn single handedly.
    The embarrassment of realising that when it comes to porn Dave is neither waving nor drowning.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    What will Labour do now that both hands are free..they need bigger tills.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 2m
    Former Co-Operative Bank chairman Paul Flowers has been suspended from the Labour Party over allegations that he bought drugs

    Silly labour, why won't they want to legalise drugs like tim wants them to...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Neil said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Could be a real blow, especially if Unite stop funding the Labour party!

    Note to Ed, don't piss off Len

    Unite was a major donor to the Labour party when it was led by Tony Blair.
    And Unite was led by Tony Woodley......not the Blairite Dromey, but more sandwiches to his picnic than McCluskey.....

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    edited November 2013
    Dennis MacShane should be sentenced to 500,000 lines. Non custodial, can serve the sentence in his own time.

    Handwritten, in his own handwriting - not typed please.

    "It's wrong to fiddle expenses"
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967
    dr_spyn said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m
    Tweet of The Day RT @JoeMurphyLondon @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister wld nationalise w*nking

    Apparently, it's a criminal offence in Mississippi.

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Slackbladder said:

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 2m
    Former Co-Operative Bank chairman Paul Flowers has been suspended from the Labour Party over allegations that he bought drugs

    Silly labour, why won't they want to legalise drugs like tim wants them to...

    If they want to kick everyone who ever bought drugs out of the party then they might as well close up shop now as they wont have much of an organisation left.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited November 2013
    Coventry North East (majority 27.1%) Labour shortlist

    Cllr Faye Abbott
    Randhir Auluck (lecturer at Coventry University. Daughter of a Cllr)
    Cllr Colleen Fletcher
    Pat Seaman (former union rep of Coventry youth workers)

    Local paper writes that Ainsworth backs Fletcher
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    LATEST:Ex Co-op Bank chairman Paul Flowers suspended from the Labour Party after reportedly being caught buying illegal drugs
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Sean_F said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m
    Tweet of The Day RT @JoeMurphyLondon @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister wld nationalise w*nking

    Apparently, it's a criminal offence in Mississippi.

    But in Sweden, public masturbation isn't a crime

    Public Masturbation Not a Crime, Rules Swedish Court

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/64287/public-masturbation-not-a-crime-rules-swedish-court
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,063
    tim said:

    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 16m
    DCameron says embarassed husbands are now 'going to have to hv a discussion' with their wives if they want to opt into porn

    Joe Murphy ‏@JoeMurphyLondon 2m
    @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister would nationalise w---ing

    There will be a National Register of Suspected M*sturbators.
    Dave is the Porn Crusader, saving us from porn single handedly.
    I'm surprised at the negativity about this on here. There are several things to say:

    1) It's nowhere near a full solution. It will not tackle the darknet. (God, how I hate that term...)
    2) However, it is a start, and does something people said was impossible just a few months ago. That's a win for Cameron.
    3) It will make the 'I accidentally stumbled onto the pron" excuse harder.
    4) It is a culture shift by the companies concerned - and remember, this will be used in 158 countries worldwide.
    5) And this is the biggie: MS have developed technology to detect likely abuse pictures automatically, and Google have done the same for video. Such technology could be very useful for law enforcers and tech companies. Especially with Google harvesting links from gmail ...

    So it's far from perfect, but better than nothing. All in all, it is a positive change.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    richardDodd said:

    What will Labour do now that both hands are free..

    Apply to Dave for a w*nking licence?

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited November 2013
    UKIP membership has now passed 32,000.

    twitter.com/UKIP/status/402412844420829184

    EDIT
    They announced 31,000 on 25th September.

    twitter.com/UKIP/status/382961966861807616
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Hadn't realised until today that the former MP for Rotherham was in favour of voting rights for prisoners.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/denis-macshane/prisoners-right-to-vote_b_2008268.html
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    "But Ms Perry argued filters would make a difference, saying that the killers of schoolgirls April Jones and Tia Sharp had accessed legal pornography before moving on to images of child abuse."

    1. Hatchelt

    This isn’t really about porn though is it? This is the thin end of the wedge whereby my Glorious Leaders will soon decide which sites are right for me and which aren’t.

    Hatchelt nails it.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Labour-Uncut's take on Labour funding:

    Labour’s head office in “chaos” as Livermore begins his first day in charge
    Some estimates say Labour will lose £5 million if Miliband’s reforms do not lead to hundreds of thousands of trade unionists joining the party.

    Meanwhile Unite’s annual review of its affiliation fees may see the union – Labour’s biggest financial backer – follow the decision of the GMB, which voted to slash the amount it gives to the party by 90 per cent back in September.

    If Unite does likewise, Livermore may find he is left planning a campaign he cannot finance.

    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2013/11/18/labours-head-office-in-chaos-as-livermore-begins-his-first-day-in-charge/#more-17499
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sykes has promised Ukip cash for the Euro elections only - is that correct.
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    RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    dr_spyn said:

    Hadn't realised until today that the former MP for Rotherham was in favour of voting rights for prisoners.

    So we might have been a bit unfair accusing Labour MPs of not planning for the future?
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    SouthCoastKevinSouthCoastKevin Posts: 158
    FPT...
    edmundintokyo said:


    In countries with a lot of coalitions it's a bit unusual to have a third party in the centre. What usually happens is that you get a biggish centre-right party and a biggish centre-left party, and the small parties are at the extremes, so you tend to have an obvious centre-right coalition and an obvious centre-left one, and when they switch you go from one coalition to another. I'd have thought the UK would adopt a pattern like that if it got PR.

    Thanks for this, @edmundintokyo. I'm interested to see how things go in the UK over the next few years; will the Lib Dems dwindle away, split into two parties (perhaps led by Danny Alexander and Tim Farron) after losing half their seats in 2015, somehow keep their identity as a centre-ish party? Personally, I hope for the final option but I wonder how realistic it is...
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    CarlottaVance said:


    Meanwhile Unite’s annual review of its affiliation fees may see the union – Labour’s biggest financial backer – follow the decision of the GMB, which voted to slash the amount it gives to the party by 90 per cent back in September.

    The GMB most emphatically did not vote to slash the amount it gives to Labour by 90%.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    As, IIRC either EiT or SO observed, this porn stuff is clearly a clever ploy designed to significantly raise the computing skills of Britain's teenage boys........
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    SouthCoastKevin said:

    FPT...

    edmundintokyo said:


    In countries with a lot of coalitions it's a bit unusual to have a third party in the centre. What usually happens is that you get a biggish centre-right party and a biggish centre-left party, and the small parties are at the extremes, so you tend to have an obvious centre-right coalition and an obvious centre-left one, and when they switch you go from one coalition to another. I'd have thought the UK would adopt a pattern like that if it got PR.

    Thanks for this, @edmundintokyo. I'm interested to see how things go in the UK over the next few years; will the Lib Dems dwindle away, split into two parties (perhaps led by Danny Alexander and Tim Farron) after losing half their seats in 2015, somehow keep their identity as a centre-ish party? Personally, I hope for the final option but I wonder how realistic it is...
    The final option, for as long as they're held together by FPTP.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    And now we know why MacShane wrote this: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/denis-macshane/prisoners-right-to-vote_b_2008268.html
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    CarlottaVance said:

    As, IIRC either EiT or SO observed, this porn stuff is clearly a clever ploy designed to significantly raise the computing skills of Britain's teenage boys........

    Either that, or a ploy to boost sales of Littlewoods catalogues.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Pulpstar, I agree.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Iran:

    Just in time for more talks on Iran's nuclear weapons programme, theres a rumour that a previously undeclared site related to the weapons project is about to be exposed.

    If this comes off, its timing is not co-incidence.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    So porn is going to go the way of drugs in 'as a father' Dave's brave new world... Whats next - gambling ? politicalBETTING.com ?!
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    A bad day for Labour,...a leading member gets suspended for doing the hard drug stuff, another pleads guilt at the Bailey to stealing and Hideaway Ed spits at reporters..amazing what taking away their favourite pastime does
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    I think I'm going to join the euro sceptic, non enviromental wing of the Lib Dems. Hmm...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited November 2013
    Pulpstar said:

    So porn is going to go the way of drugs in 'as a father' Dave's brave new world... Whats next - gambling ? politicalBETTING.com ?!

    No, remember Dave reads (and enjoys) Politicalbetting.com
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Slackbladder said:

    What's the point of labour having a fundraising head? Just get all the money from Unite seems to be the current plan.

    I guess Unite wasn't too keen on LAbour diversifying their funding sources...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Miss Vance, quite. Sniffpetrol's a site I often view (it's a silly F1/motorsport comedy website), and it has a big orange background. It's also blocked by some filters because the orangeness apparently suggests lots of naked, tanned flesh is on display.

    If that's how some of these filters work for images, it'll take about six seconds before a 14 year old works out they can shift the hue 56 points (or even just make it black and white), and send it to their friends with the instruction to shift it back [or pretend it's alien porn].

    I'm also interested to know whether Michaelangelo's David will be blocked.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Charles said:

    Slackbladder said:

    What's the point of labour having a fundraising head? Just get all the money from Unite seems to be the current plan.

    I guess Unite wasn't too keen on LAbour diversifying their funding sources...
    Because there's nothing a major party donor wants to see more than the party they support lose the election.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Y0kel, how do you see talks going?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Neil said:

    CarlottaVance said:


    Meanwhile Unite’s annual review of its affiliation fees may see the union – Labour’s biggest financial backer – follow the decision of the GMB, which voted to slash the amount it gives to the party by 90 per cent back in September.

    The GMB most emphatically did not vote to slash the amount it gives to Labour by 90%.
    You can't trust the BBC!

    GMB cuts funds it gives Labour from £1.2m to £150,000
    The GMB union is to cut the affiliation funds it gives Labour from £1.2m to £150,000 in the wake of a row over reforms, it has announced.

    The union said there would also be cuts in spending on Labour campaigns.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23955577
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,063
    tim said:

    @Josias.

    You don't bet do you.
    You seem to forget that you're on a betting site where every punter will know how long it takes to get round a block on betting sites when you're abroad.
    About ten minutes from landing, maximum.

    I don't bet, but I know a lot more about technology than you, as was shown just last week.

    You seem to be missing the point of what was announced today. Re-read my post and think.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited November 2013
    CarlottaVance said:

    Neil said:

    CarlottaVance said:


    Meanwhile Unite’s annual review of its affiliation fees may see the union – Labour’s biggest financial backer – follow the decision of the GMB, which voted to slash the amount it gives to the party by 90 per cent back in September.

    The GMB most emphatically did not vote to slash the amount it gives to Labour by 90%.
    You can't trust the BBC!

    GMB cuts funds it gives Labour from £1.2m to £150,000
    The GMB union is to cut the affiliation funds it gives Labour from £1.2m to £150,000 in the wake of a row over reforms, it has announced.

    The union said there would also be cuts in spending on Labour campaigns.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23955577
    You can trust the BBC, Carlotta. But you have to supplement that trust with a little knowledge of the difference between the affiliation fee and the total amount of money a trade union donates to the party. I'm perfectly willing to bet anyone that the accounts of Labour and / or the GMB wont show anything like a 90% reduction in the amount donated to Labour.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967
    JosiasJessop said:

    tim said:

    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 16m
    DCameron says embarassed husbands are now 'going to have to hv a discussion' with their wives if they want to opt into porn

    Joe Murphy ‏@JoeMurphyLondon 2m
    @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister would nationalise w---ing

    There will be a National Register of Suspected M*sturbators.
    Dave is the Porn Crusader, saving us from porn single handedly.
    I'm surprised at the negativity about this on here. There are several things to say:

    1) It's nowhere near a full solution. It will not tackle the darknet. (God, how I hate that term...)
    2) However, it is a start, and does something people said was impossible just a few months ago. That's a win for Cameron.
    3) It will make the 'I accidentally stumbled onto the pron" excuse harder.
    4) It is a culture shift by the companies concerned - and remember, this will be used in 158 countries worldwide.
    5) And this is the biggie: MS have developed technology to detect likely abuse pictures automatically, and Google have done the same for video. Such technology could be very useful for law enforcers and tech companies. Especially with Google harvesting links from gmail ...

    So it's far from perfect, but better than nothing. All in all, it is a positive change.
    Taking every available step to block access to child pornography is indeed a good thing.

    It's the (deliberate?) conflation between pornography involving consenting adults and child pornography, and the argument that looking at the former is necessarily linked to the rape and murder of children that raises hackles.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited November 2013
    Neil said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Neil said:

    CarlottaVance said:


    Meanwhile Unite’s annual review of its affiliation fees may see the union – Labour’s biggest financial backer – follow the decision of the GMB, which voted to slash the amount it gives to the party by 90 per cent back in September.

    The GMB most emphatically did not vote to slash the amount it gives to Labour by 90%.
    You can't trust the BBC!

    GMB cuts funds it gives Labour from £1.2m to £150,000
    The GMB union is to cut the affiliation funds it gives Labour from £1.2m to £150,000 in the wake of a row over reforms, it has announced.

    The union said there would also be cuts in spending on Labour campaigns.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23955577
    But you have to supplement that trust with a little knowledge of the difference between the affiliation fee and the total amount of money a trade union donates to the party.
    I'm sure Labour Uncut will welcome you putting them right.....

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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    So porn is going to go the way of drugs in 'as a father' Dave's brave new world... Whats next - gambling ? politicalBETTING.com ?!

    No, remember Dave reads (and enjoys) Politicalbetting.com
    He doesn't get to choose. The filters are run by private companies, and asking for stuff to be removed from them would be leaked and generate bad headlines.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Indeed, Mr. F.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    CarlottaVance said:

    I'm sure Labour Uncut will welcome you putting them right.....

    As much as ConHome would enjoy a posting extolling Cameron's stance on climate change.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited November 2013
    Andrew Pierce covered the Labour funding question in the Mail today:

    ANDREW PIERCE: Will Labour's cash crisis end in bankruptcy?
    The surprisingly sudden departure of Labour’s top fund-raiser has exposed a major financial crisis for the party.
    News that John McCaffrey had found another role has fuelled talk about what will happen when millions of pounds worth of donations from Labour’s union paymasters are stopped next year.

    But the funniest part was a spectacular own goal by 'attack dog Dugher':

    Attempts by Labour attack dog Michael Dugher to expose waste at the Communities & Local Government department have backfired. His latest futile wheeze was to calculate the cost of external reports commissioned by the Government since 2010. While the Coalition spent about £120,000 last year, his own Labour government binged £26 million over five years — and most of these reports were never even published.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2509056/ANDREW-PIERCE-Will-Labours-cash-crisis-end-bankruptcy.html#ixzz2l0dBjpte


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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Y0kel, how do you see talks going?

    I'd say its 60-40 in favour to get some kind of agreement, any agreement. The Iranians know that they need the economic noose loosened and whilst they have plenty amongst their ranks not keen on any deal the economic imperative is strong.

    They also know the US is a bit desperate and will move a few goalposts though Ive been led to believe opposition amongst parts of the White House apparatus to some of the clauses was gaining steam along with some key players in Congress. In classic US style US diplomats will blame not just the Iranians if it doesn't work out but they'll blame the Europeans, either for intransigence or for ham fisted negotiation that the US entrusted to them.

    Behind all this though is far more shadowy activity. There are clear signs of external hands in a number of terror incidents in Iran and the Arak heavy water plant, a key point of parley at the talks suffered a rather unfortunate but unexplained incident recently. The Israelis are also sitting at the end of the runway.

    Still though, the need to get a deal for the Iranians and the White House, however crappy, may outweigh the need to get it right.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Don't watch if you are of a sensitive nature...

    Tim Montgomerie‏@TimMontgomerie4m
    Oh dear --- Ed Miliband, foaming at the mouth video http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/ed-miliband-started-foaming-at-the-mouth-during-a-tv-intervi … via @jimwaterson
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,063
    tim said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    tim said:

    @Josias.

    You don't bet do you.
    You seem to forget that you're on a betting site where every punter will know how long it takes to get round a block on betting sites when you're abroad.
    About ten minutes from landing, maximum.

    I don't bet, but I know a lot more about technology than you, as was shown just last week.

    You seem to be missing the point of what was announced today. Re-read my post and think.
    Well that makes my point for me then doesn't it, if I can get around betting blocks within ten minutes the Porn Crusader Cameron is just posing as usual.

    Although as ever he's confusing two issues, real child victims of crime and his porn crusade.
    It doesn't make your point. Again, re-read what I wrote and apply some brainpower to it, instead of just making stupid smears against Cameron.

    This is a win for Cameron. That's what hurts you. And Ed Miliband would be doing just the same "as a father":

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10146991/Ed-Miliband-warning-over-sexualised-images-targeted-at-children-online.html
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    edited November 2013
    This Qatar World Cup Stadium reminds me of something...can't quite put my finger on it...

    ::Innocent Face::

    Honestly would this get past Dave's porn filter.

    The Design For Qatar’s First World Cup Stadium Looks Like A Vagina

    It’s supposed to look like a boat.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjkiebus/qatar-designed-a-stadium-shaped-like-a-vagina-for-the-2022-w?s=mobile
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    edited November 2013
    Sean_F said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    tim said:

    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 16m
    DCameron says embarassed husbands are now 'going to have to hv a discussion' with their wives if they want to opt into porn

    Joe Murphy ‏@JoeMurphyLondon 2m
    @paulwaugh @tnewtondunn Who'd have thought a Tory prime minister would nationalise w---ing

    There will be a National Register of Suspected M*sturbators.
    Dave is the Porn Crusader, saving us from porn single handedly.
    I'm surprised at the negativity about this on here. There are several things to say:

    1) It's nowhere near a full solution. It will not tackle the darknet. (God, how I hate that term...)
    2) However, it is a start, and does something people said was impossible just a few months ago. That's a win for Cameron.
    3) It will make the 'I accidentally stumbled onto the pron" excuse harder.
    4) It is a culture shift by the companies concerned - and remember, this will be used in 158 countries worldwide.
    5) And this is the biggie: MS have developed technology to detect likely abuse pictures automatically, and Google have done the same for video. Such technology could be very useful for law enforcers and tech companies. Especially with Google harvesting links from gmail ...

    So it's far from perfect, but better than nothing. All in all, it is a positive change.

    and the argument that looking at the former is necessarily linked to the rape and murder of children that raises hackles.



    Do you have a quote from any of the instigators from this move saying that?

    There are two strands of the changes announced today. One is to try and reduce access to child abuse images while the second is for all ISPs to have easily available and usable upstream filters that broadband account payers can activate if they wish, eg http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/sky-rolls-out-its-porn-filters-but-it-s-not-mandatory-just-yet-1199488.

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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    The f-word.

    James Tapsfield‏@JamesTapsfield5m
    John Mann calls for a primary in Falkirk. I'm still waiting for @ericjoyce to throw his hat back into the ring http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2013/11/18/falkirk-a-primary-answer-to-a-secondary-problem/#.UooozpibmA4.twitter …
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Y0kel, thanks for that response.

    But if a 'wrong' deal is done, might that not lead to the Israelis bombing Iran off their own bat? Not sure how the US would be able to square that circle without making the deal worthless or chastising Israel (which would seem to be entirely contrary to American foreign policy for the last half century).
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited November 2013
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This Qatar World Cup Stadium reminds me of something...can't quite put my finger on it...

    ::Innocent Face::

    Honestly would this get past Dave's porn filter.

    The Design For Qatar’s First World Cup Stadium Looks Like A Vagina

    It’s supposed to look like a boat.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjkiebus/qatar-designed-a-stadium-shaped-like-a-vagina-for-the-2022-w?s=mobile

    That was quick! The Pron filter is working already!

    Page Not Found
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Too fast , too fast er....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10457384/UK-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-developed-world-says-OECD.html

    Uk grew most in OECD in 3rd quarter.

    France - er...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    CarlottaVance said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This Qatar World Cup Stadium reminds me of something...can't quite put my finger on it...

    ::Innocent Face::

    Honestly would this get past Dave's porn filter.

    The Design For Qatar’s First World Cup Stadium Looks Like A Vagina

    It’s supposed to look like a boat.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjkiebus/qatar-designed-a-stadium-shaped-like-a-vagina-for-the-2022-w?s=mobile

    That was quick! The Pron filter is working already!

    Page Not Found
    Try this

    http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/4295727?utm_hp_ref=uk
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Good day for Labour:

    "A Labour spokesman said: "In the light of recent reports, we have today suspended Paul Flowers as a member of the Labour party for bringing the party into disrepute."

    Asked about the Flowers situation, the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, said: "He was involved in the Co-op and that is no longer the case. I think we will leave it there."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/18/labour-party-co-op-chairman-paul-flowers-illegal-drugs

    The Telegraph had unhelpfully pointed out that Rev Flowers was appointed to Labour's Finance and Industry Board by Ed Miliband. Must be a non story about a non person.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Y0kel, thanks for that response.

    But if a 'wrong' deal is done, might that not lead to the Israelis bombing Iran off their own bat? Not sure how the US would be able to square that circle without making the deal worthless or chastising Israel (which would seem to be entirely contrary to American foreign policy for the last half century).

    You are dealing with a big ego in the White House.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    dr_spyn said:

    Good day for Labour:

    "A Labour spokesman said: "In the light of recent reports, we have today suspended Paul Flowers as a member of the Labour party for bringing the party into disrepute."

    Asked about the Flowers situation, the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, said: "He was involved in the Co-op and that is no longer the case. I think we will leave it there."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/18/labour-party-co-op-chairman-paul-flowers-illegal-drugs

    The Telegraph had unhelpfully pointed out that Rev Flowers was appointed to Labour's Finance and Industry Board by Ed Miliband. Must be a non story about a non person.

    Rev Flowers confirmed he had been involved in authorising the payment of £100,000 to Mr Balls and his Parliamentary office, though he said the money had come from the Co-op Group and not the Co-op Bank as the lender was “politically neutral”.
    “We believe in supporting our political friend,” he said, describing the donations to politicians as “small amounts of money”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10431405/Politicians-wanted-Co-op-Bank-to-grow-says-former-chairman.html
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,063
    On the topic of illegal Pron, I've wondered how dangerous it would be for there to be a Trojan that downloaded illegal porn, put it in an obscure place on a user's hard drive, before deleting all traces of itself. A more malicious version of the Citadel trojan.

    How would the law in the UK cope?

    Trojans have already been used to catch people:
    http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Trojan-horse-leads-to-porn-convictions/2100-1030_3-6109567.html
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151
    JosiasJessop said:

    On the topic of illegal Pron, I've wondered how dangerous it would be for there to be a Trojan that downloaded illegal porn, put it in an obscure place on a user's hard drive, before deleting all traces of itself. A more malicious version of the Citadel trojan.

    How would the law in the UK cope?

    Trojans have already been used to catch people:
    http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Trojan-horse-leads-to-porn-convictions/2100-1030_3-6109567.html

    The obvious next feature, having planted the porn, would be to demand a ransom not to tell the police.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Ed Miliband distancing himself from Flowers on TV - non person, nothing to see stuff. Trying to hide behind excuse of police investigation. Will Balls be keeping to this line as well?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited November 2013
    I think it would be fair to say IDS and Chris Bryant are not mutual fans:

    Various tweets:

    IDS on Bryant: "He's gone from being a Tory, to being a Blairite, to being a Brownite and now he's a socialist according to his website"

    IDS scolds @ChrisBryantMP: "The Honourable gentleman needs to keep quiet for a while and listen to a little bit more."

    IDS really doesn't like Bryant "The hon gent should keep quiet, or he'll jump out of his underpants." Bercow interrupts.

    Edit - but Bryant was so busy shouting at IDS he didn't hear the underpants crack!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,063
    edmundintokyo said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    On the topic of illegal Pron, I've wondered how dangerous it would be for there to be a Trojan that downloaded illegal porn, put it in an obscure place on a user's hard drive, before deleting all traces of itself. A more malicious version of the Citadel trojan.

    How would the law in the UK cope?

    Trojans have already been used to catch people:
    http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Trojan-horse-leads-to-porn-convictions/2100-1030_3-6109567.html

    The obvious next feature, having planted the porn, would be to demand a ransom not to tell the police.
    That's sort of what the Citadel did. It said you had visited an illegal website, and you had to pay up (it did not actually put something on your computer, or delete itself).

    http://www.scmagazine.com/citadel-trojan-uses-child-porn-scare-to-extort-cash/article/243606/

    An anonymous drive-by illegal *anything* Trojan would be really nasty, especially if it did not let the user know, and was just for mischief.

    AIUI (and IANAL) it is illegal to have such images on your computer, regardless of reason. If the Trojan was to delete itself, you'd have a heck of a lot of people caught up in a nasty mess. It could do other things as well: for instance put links in browser bookmarks (although users may notice that), or create draft emails with dodgy content. Even send emails.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited November 2013
    Y0kel said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Y0kel, thanks for that response.

    But if a 'wrong' deal is done, might that not lead to the Israelis bombing Iran off their own bat? Not sure how the US would be able to square that circle without making the deal worthless or chastising Israel (which would seem to be entirely contrary to American foreign policy for the last half century).

    You are dealing with a big ego in the White House.
    We're dealing with a huge incompetent in the White House. The Obamacare clusterfu<k is destroying his presidency and the Democrats' hopes for 2014. Really - it's a disaster. Obama lied to push through a law without a single Republicn vote. It now turns out that it is compulsory to move to the new contracts by Dec but the website is nowehere near ready. People are already losing all insurance as their old contracts (which they were mendaciously told they could keep) get cancelled leaving many without cover at all. There will soon be deaths related to this - and there's no solution. It's beyond a screw up. Read Via Meadia or Instapundit to get clarity. Obama has destroyed himself.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    dr_spyn said:

    Ed Miliband distancing himself from Flowers on TV - non person, nothing to see stuff. Trying to hide behind excuse of police investigation. Will Balls be keeping to this line as well?

    Not only is Flowers a non-person in this non-story - the Labour body he was appointed to is now a non-body too:

    Flowers was a Labour Councillor in Bradford for ten years, and in in 2010 was appointed by Ed Miliband to the party’s finance and industry board. Speaking today Miliband said:

    “You appoint people from a whole range of backgrounds to look at a whole range of issues and we have a range of business people working with us.

    “The police are looking into the matter and I’m not going to comment on an ongoing investigation. Suffice to say that group no longer exists. We should let the police inquiry take its course.”

    http://labourlist.org/2013/11/labour-suspends-former-co-op-bank-boss-over-meth-crack-and-ketamine-revelations/
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    currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    TGOHF said:

    Too fast , too fast er....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10457384/UK-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-developed-world-says-OECD.html

    Uk grew most in OECD in 3rd quarter.

    France - er...

    How can this be possible? We are continually told on this site that this Government is run by incompetent fops and Osborne is the worst chancellor in history. Perhaps its due to Messiah Miliband and his bank levy/bonus tax which will be used to fund everything

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Ed re-hashing the decision to go to Sri Lanka.....unlike him to ignore the polling......

    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/17/voters-right-behind-cameron-sri-lanka-visit/
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    currystar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Too fast , too fast er....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10457384/UK-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-developed-world-says-OECD.html

    Uk grew most in OECD in 3rd quarter.

    France - er...

    How can this be possible? We are continually told on this site that this Government is run by incompetent fops and Osborne is the worst chancellor in history. Perhaps its due to Messiah Miliband and his bank levy/bonus tax which will be used to fund everything

    Its our income tax cuts - the only explanation...



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    Gerry_ManderGerry_Mander Posts: 621
    CarlottaVance said:

    underpants crack!

    Mind bleach time!
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    CarlottaVance said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Ed Miliband distancing himself from Flowers on TV - non person, nothing to see stuff. Trying to hide behind excuse of police investigation. Will Balls be keeping to this line as well?

    Not only is Flowers a non-person in this non-story - the Labour body he was appointed to is now a non-body too:

    Flowers was a Labour Councillor in Bradford for ten years, and in in 2010 was appointed by Ed Miliband to the party’s finance and industry board. Speaking today Miliband said:

    “You appoint people from a whole range of backgrounds to look at a whole range of issues and we have a range of business people working with us.

    “The police are looking into the matter and I’m not going to comment on an ongoing investigation. Suffice to say that group no longer exists. We should let the police inquiry take its course.”

    http://labourlist.org/2013/11/labour-suspends-former-co-op-bank-boss-over-meth-crack-and-ketamine-revelations/
    No wonder the group doesn't exist anymore, Labour are trying to pretend the economy doesn't exist as well.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    currystar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Too fast , too fast er....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10457384/UK-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-developed-world-says-OECD.html

    Uk grew most in OECD in 3rd quarter.

    France - er...

    How can this be possible? We are continually told on this site that this Government is run by incompetent fops and Osborne is the worst chancellor in history. Perhaps its due to Messiah Miliband and his bank levy/bonus tax which will be used to fund everything

    Don't let the facts get in the way.

    http://www.eef.org.uk/blog/image.axd?picture=2013/10/recession4.png
    GO now to blame for the Labour years ? Righto...
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    currystar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Too fast , too fast er....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10457384/UK-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-developed-world-says-OECD.html

    Uk grew most in OECD in 3rd quarter.

    France - er...

    How can this be possible? We are continually told on this site that this Government is run by incompetent fops and Osborne is the worst chancellor in history. Perhaps its due to Messiah Miliband and his bank levy/bonus tax which will be used to fund everything

    Don't let the facts get in the way.

    http://www.eef.org.uk/blog/image.axd?picture=2013/10/recession4.png
    GO now to blame for the Labour years ? Righto...
    Yet again you don't understand the data.



    I understand that the indexing to "100" doesn't start in May 2010.

    Another silly static data point analysis.



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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:


    I understand that the indexing to "100" doesn't start in May 2010.

    I would have thought that was the point tim was trying to make.
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    currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    tim said:

    currystar said:

    TGOHF said:

    Too fast , too fast er....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10457384/UK-growing-at-fastest-rate-in-developed-world-says-OECD.html

    Uk grew most in OECD in 3rd quarter.

    France - er...

    How can this be possible? We are continually told on this site that this Government is run by incompetent fops and Osborne is the worst chancellor in history. Perhaps its due to Messiah Miliband and his bank levy/bonus tax which will be used to fund everything

    Don't let the facts get in the way.

    http://www.eef.org.uk/blog/image.axd?picture=2013/10/recession4.png
    I bet we all wish Labour had won in 2010 as Im sure the economy would have had three boom years, the deficit would be wiped out, inflation would be permanently below 2% and unemployment below 2,000,000 by now. Their record in Government over the past 50 years really does indicate this type of performance.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:


    I understand that the indexing to "100" doesn't start in May 2010.

    I would have thought that was the point tim was trying to make.
    We know the point tim was trying to make was - before he even posted it.

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Right on with the thread:

    http://uk-mg-bt.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.partner=bt-1&.rand=8ap6k3hs16h03#mail

    The name is Paul Sykes, but as far as the Lab/Lib/Con party is concerned it might as well be Bill.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    edited November 2013
    Tim Shipman - Daily Mail: Cam slams Mili: 'if he knew anything about foreign affairs...he barely gets out of Islington...

    James Lyons - Daily Mirror: Dartmouth Park is in Camden

    Harry Cole: Not sure "you got the wrong trendy north london hangout" really works.
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    marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169
    edmundintokyo said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    On the topic of illegal Pron, I've wondered how dangerous it would be for there to be a Trojan that downloaded illegal porn, put it in an obscure place on a user's hard drive, before deleting all traces of itself. A more malicious version of the Citadel trojan.

    How would the law in the UK cope?

    Trojans have already been used to catch people:
    http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Trojan-horse-leads-to-porn-convictions/2100-1030_3-6109567.html

    The obvious next feature, having planted the porn, would be to demand a ransom not to tell the police.
    There's already a virus (ukash) that does that without planting anything nefarious - but it pops up with a fake Met Police message that tells you you've downloaded/visited something illegal pops up on your computer and to pay a large fine to make it go away. It's fairly obviously a scam and easy to get rid of, but if say it changed to say 'pay this fine or we'll forward your details to the police, you have child porn on your computer' and had actually put something on to your hard drive, I bet many would panic and pay-up.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:


    I understand that the indexing to "100" doesn't start in May 2010.

    I would have thought that was the point tim was trying to make.

    After watching him try to understand the house price stuff he was posting I wouldn't bother.

    Lol - the "smarter than you" blustering retreat came out early.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    "Using a mobile phone, eating, drinking and smoking were all shown to increase the risk of a crash, Brake claimed."

    Especially doing all 4 at the same time I would guess !
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    tim said:

    Pulpstar said:

    "Using a mobile phone, eating, drinking and smoking were all shown to increase the risk of a crash, Brake claimed."

    Especially doing all 4 at the same time I would guess !

    Dave the Porn Crusader will be stamping down hard on a fifth.
    This issue has caught your imagination hasn't it......
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Good Buzzfeed from Daniel Knowles on the North vs the South:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/dlknowles/the-north-south-divide-fm44

    (Tho I think he has a picture of the City when he means Manchester.....)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227
    tim said:

    This lot want VAT on food and kids clothes.

    http://www.freeenterprise.org.uk/

    Even the top rate tax cut/pasty tax Omnishambles Chancellor isn't that daft.

    All other EU countries - apart from us, Ireland and Malta - have VAT on food. If anything, it is those who don't want VAT who are the outliers, by reference to what happens in the EU anyway. I make no comment on whether it would be politically daft or not, merely want to point out that they are in the mainstream of European thought and practice on this point.

    The EU Commission has a helpful guide - as of July 2013 - on all the various different rates and exceptions.

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